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What would really sell this pellet stove for me is making my own pellets from the twigs and scrap wood I get. Can you do a video on sawdust to pellets? Thank you. Also can you do reviews on just sawdust stoves?
Been running a pellet insert in our 2800 sq ft house for 3 seasons in Maine. Cut my oil down by 500 gallons a year at about 1/3 of the cost. Also, the pellets I use are made about 50 miles from my house so it supports local businesses, not some oil company.
I've been an oil heat technician for most of my 50+ year career along with gas, propane and heat pumps. Wood pellet heating is a great alternative. It just takes minimal effort to keep the hopper full. No smell, no leaks, no spills, no kaboom.
Good choice vs an fully gas orelectric heater. We’re a whole family of firefighters and fire inspectors, and the amount of fires caused by any price range of gas and electric heaters is beyond insane. Even though pellet stoves can be put closer to items, they really should have quite a bit of space. Also, always ensure you have a CO and explosive gas alarm.
Such great points. People can be very careless with electric heaters. They are deceptively safe due to being clean but so hot. Great info about the alarms too! Thank you for sharing this
@@zoolu6879 id get a purpose built one made specifically for that purpose. They typically hang from rafters. Plugging in a standalone homeowner one is a gamble. I did for years but after seeing a few total losses I unplugged it.
Hey Chris. I have the same stove. Some notes in case you didn't know: - In one clip it looks like your air wash handle is all the way left (closed); if you open it, you'll get less soot on the window, but you'll still get some. - If you're running on Manual mode low, sometimes the fire dies while you're reloading pellets, because the auger stops while the lid is open; you can turn on Safety Mode ("Limit" option), which will allow the auger to spin with the lid open. Could be dangerous, but as long as you don't stick your hand in there. - There's a way to hook up a smart thermostat to these, so you can preheat the shop ahead of going there. Comfortbilt doesn't necessarily like telling people that, but it's doable. Lmk if you want details. - Edit, one more. By default the blower speed is the same for all 5 levels. While it's not super loud, there was no reason for my blower to be going full blast on levels 1-2, since they weren't letting the heat exchangers get hot. I lowered the speed, and it's a lot quieter. I don't feel like I'm sacrificing any heat, because the air coming out the exchangers is much hotter now.
One of the places I work has zero heat in the shop. It’s only about 400 sq ft. But in Oklahoma in the winter, it’s cold. I got a comfort deluxe infrared space heater. It was 40* and I had that shed at about 80* in about an hour.
Such a good idea and great review Chris. Do recommend thinking about a rodent screen on the air intake (not sure if your unit has one?). Looking forward to seeing the deck/pellet stove review.
I was very happy with mine. I heated the house with it, leaving it running most of the day at the lowest setting, and getting cleaned 20 minutes a day, and another 30 minutes for every week, and a 45 minutes cleaning once a year. It was not the only heat. The oil heat ran off a thermostat. But, the overall bill, was much less. I was mostly buying the oil at 10 gallons a pop, so, clearly, the pellet system was doing most of the work. The quirk of my stove, was that higher settings only gave me trivially more heat, but burned twice the pellets. And my stove liked only one kind of pellets.
Love the videos! I'm also here in NH. I've had a Harman pellet stove for about 10 years. It's now the primary source of heat (with the original propane forced hot air installed in house). We use about 2.5 tons of pellets per heating season (of course they increase by price every delivery). You mention battery backup. This is critically important! I have a modified sine-wave UPS my pellet stove plugs into. When the Harman detects the variation of sinewave, it goes into automatic shut down (pulses combustion blower on/off for about 30 minutes until the stove it out). Without this shutdown process, smoke could back up into the house. Again, the is using the recommended MSW inverter as opposed to a pure sinewave inverter which will run the stove normally.
I really appreciate how thorough you were with how to set up a stove, where did buy the product, and ideas about the EVENFLOW generator. Thanks so much! 🙏🏽
Have always had a pellet stove currently a Pizzetta Sabrina. Super simple to service and clean and program. I would have put in a vertical rise first of 4 or 5 feet then out thru the wall that way it'll pull any smoke out instead of into your shop if you lose power suddenly. Pro tip: end of season I seal mine off from outside(Take the necessary precautions),so moisture doesn't get in and rust inside stove because it will. Also load mine up inside with a desiccant.
Thats when you plug in your pallet stove to the Ecoflow power station to supply power during an outage. I have a small one (Ecoflow River 2 Pro) that runs 2 DC and one AC fan to keep my chicken tractor cool for the chickens in the summer. I have it plugged into a solar panel that keeps the power station charged. I plan on getting a bigger Ecoflow power station and maybe add on additional solar panels.
That’s the way to do it, we have a small Blueitti power box and I decided to build my own with a 100 amp Lifepo4 battery. That way I can add more batteries and if the inverter goes in it I can replace it. I have a couple solar panels also it’s a nice hobby. Take care of those chickens.
Installed a Harmon P61A seven years ago and never regretted it, im in Northern New England and we usually heat 8 months out of the year, i generally use 4 to 5 tons of softwood pellets per year and only clean my stove three times a year, best investment ive ever done.
I have an Englander pellet stove in my shop and it works GREAT. Maintenance is necessary to keep them working well, and this winter I'm still redoing insulation and wall panels, but it's great having some good reliable heat out there.
Getting hooked on pellets ? Keep your options open. Conveyor type burn it at as said eco is rate. No power, no heat. No flue , no heat . Free flow ain’t in and exhaust ain’t sealed well and up as. With balanced flu . Exhaust sealer paste as on car exhaust fumes seal is a better proven. But must be accessible for maintaining repair if required. . But no power nothing can run to get heat from any flexible cost of pellets out of the question., not inflation proof either.
My Englander’s been heating my 2500 sq ft house for 17 yrs.Ive been through multiple major parts on it but all are easily available and pretty straightforward to replace. I’ve saved a literal ton of money on heating oil and would never be without a pellet stove living in the NE
Enjoyed your presentation, fast but clear. As a retired building official I thought you did very well. Two things that drew a little attention were the intake air size being reduced, normally that is a bad idea. But with the fans driving the air maybe not a big issue. Normally manufacturers have them sized to meet demand. The second is most appliances require a specific amount of head on the exhaust, but perhaps with your direct vent you superseded that. Minor issues but I liked the quick presentation. Didn’t feel you wasted my time. Thanks dave
Nice, I as well live here in NH and did basically the same thing. I replace my wood stove of 20+ years with a Harmon Pellet insert a couple years ago. Last year I purchased the Ecoflow Delta 2 with the extra battery knowing that we could loose power. I just didn't want to wake-up to a freezing house. The Harmon pulls about 350w starting and 87w once it starts. The best part is, I can monitor the pellet stove remotely while at work to see if I had lost power through the Ecoflow. Be-aware, Ecoflow is an EPS not a UPS. it take about 30ms - 50ms to cycle from a power outage (may not be good for computer systems). For the pellet stove we have was not an issue as it remembers its last state of operation.
I purchased a comforter built hp-55 about 2 years ago and I love it. The only thing I would recommend is before installing it is to set it up on a level surface outside and put a piece of exhaust pipe on it and burn a bag of pellets through it. If not the fumes from the paint on it will make your house smell awful and prymake your smoke alarms go off like mine did.
The quality of pellets can vary greatly and can make a big difference. The exhaust should always be run straight without elbows when possible for better flow and to clean easily with a brush or blow out with a shop vac. They really are great stoves if you keep them clean and can find good pellets that have been properly stored. Harmon makes great quality, had one for a dozen years and works like new.
Love my two Harman Pellet Stoves. I've had them over a decade and do all the maintenance myself as they both exit the chimney flues. Unforunately the Pellet prices continue to go up each year but for the instant heat they provide over my cast-iron baseboards I will pay the preminum here in Massachusetts.
I love that wall thimble you installed. I used a piece of exhaust pipe I put through the corner of the thimble I installed and put a course screen on the outside. Check if any pellet suppliers in your area carry the Somerset brand of pellets the company that makes them also makes hardwood flooring and use the sawdust to make them they burn hotter than anything else I have tried and they make very little ash per bag. My stove is similar to yours and I have had it 10 years now with no issues
Once again, Chris has been reading my mind and posts a timely video about something I’ve been thinking about! 😂 I’ve got a woodstove that heats half my house really well, but the other end just has electric baseboards. We don’t sit in that side of the house that often, so a pellet stove makes a lot of sense since we could just turn it on when needed. Thanks for another great (psychic) video! 🙏
I really appreciate that. There is even a wall mounted pellet stove, while it lacks the ambiance of the full window fire, it can work amazingly well for spot heating specific areas. Very clever design with easy install.
My mom used a pellet stove for the majority of my middle school and highschool life, Every Single YEAR. They would have to replace the auger that feeds the pellets to the flame. 475$ per auger. Sometimes 2 times a year.
i have the hp50 and i like it for simple to use and customer service is good to talk to also when you have questions this is my second winter using it and i do suggest to watch the videos on cleaning and trouble shooting
When getting a Pellet stove, look into multi fuel Versions. We had one years ago that would burn many things. We had found with mixing wood pellets with whole or cracked corn put out 60-80% more heat over straight pellets. You can also get Fans that work moving the heat around, using the heat of the stove to power them.
We live in New Hampshire, too, and we have TWO pellets stoves as our primary heat. The house is big, and 250 years old, so there's a lot to heat. ONE THING TO REMEMBER - ensure you clean the exhaust once a year! Though a chimney fire is NOT likely, you CAN get a near fire from the "fly ash" that is produced by these stoves. Basically, the fly ash will collect at the bends in the exhaust pipe, and enough of it will inhibit the exhaust and cause smoking, if not a fire. You can tell when the exhaust is getting clogged, because the flame inside will not be vigorous and trying to go up, rather it will start to get lazy. You'll understand if you get one. One last note, we have larger stoves than the one demonstrated here - and with a 2000wh solar generator - we can continuously run the stove for 18 hours - as long as you put it on "stove" mode rather than "temperature" mode. ( meaning the stove will not cycle on and off, or lower / higher, as it may require the ignitor to be used ).
We are overjoyed with this information! Our pellet stove, well over twenty years old, has sat for years due to issues concerning its condition. With the tax break and the advancements you've shown we are going to look at replacing it. Thanks for sharing.
We have a 19 year-old Harman P-61 and a 26 year-old Harman - both have been used every winter. Only part I've had to replace is a blower motor on the older Harman ( last year ), and combustion fan on the newer one ( 3 years ago ).
I have this exact stove. Pellets used to be a cheaper option for a warm home. That's no longer true. It's the same cost to heat with natural gas or with pellets. A bonus of this Comfortbilt HP22-S, it's exempt from EPA no burn high pollution days we have in the city I live.
My pellet stove heats My entire house easily and to an extremely comfortable temperature whenever I need it.This year I used oil until Thanksgiving. Basically $3 to $6 a day for heating an almost 2000 sq foot home.
I have a fireplace insert that burns dried shelled corn that works the same as a pellet stove. I have been using it for about 20 years and it works great.
I had a pellet stove to heat our 2500 sq foot house, worked great but needed cleaning every 3 or 4 days even as long as 5 to 6 days with douglas fir based pellets. Some are available with 12 volt DC. I would buy the pellets by the pallet, so energy cost was less than firewood, we replace a high efficiency wood stove with the pellet stove.
Pellet stores are quite amazing but they also have some serious issues First maintenance and warranty Good luck :-) I bought a really nice pellet stove that holds 3 days worth of pellets and it died within 4 months and good luck getting the company to warranty it this is not something you can just take back to the store it's delivered by a truck it's heavy it took three of us to get it in the house Functionally they are amazing there is close to a heat pump or electric heater you can get with a wood burning stove however they are nowhere near as cheap to run as a heat pump which is going to be cheaper to run One of the most common issues is when the auger stops running usually it's the brain board inside that has failed and that is not something that is easy to DIY fixes you might think unless you are electronics minded What I would really like to see is an open source pellet stove designed and built something we can DIY and therefore easily maintain and repair with off the shelf components in the future The other problem is the pellets you need to be able to pick up 40 lb because that's how much a bag of pellets weighs and that's how much you need per day so it is far more efficient than a wood stove a wood stove can't touch this However a wood stove has some extremely serious advantages one of the primary which is using scrap as fuel I can pick up pallets I can churn paper into pulp and make my own briquettes and burn those in a wood stove you cannot do the same for a pellet stove This means you are at the mercy of the price of pellets when I had a pellet stove before I got rid of it and replaced it with a heat pump more on that later I had 3 years worth of pellets to give myself some insulation from price fluctuations if the price went up one year I would just not buy any and I would wait until either a coupon or a sale or the price came down and then I would restock but this requires you to keep two or three years worth of pellets on hand that means you need a place to put those pellets I had a sea container out back a shipping container or conex container and my pellets took up a third of a container it was also quite a bit of work hauling them in and out of the house and container every 3 days I'd have to haul in 120 lb of pellets for the next 3 days I couldn't carry more than one at a time that meant three trips eventually if I stuck with pellets I would probably put a ramp on the back door so I can use my little electric cart to haul the pellets into the house Now onto other problems this is going to apply to a wood stove as well so it's not unique to pellet stoves I ended up replacing my pellet stove with a heat pump which also failed within 6 months :-( sometimes the universe hates me anyway my insurance company wanted to raise my insurance $500 a year for having any source of fire heat that $500 alone made the investment into a heat pump substantially cheaper Another advantage of a heat pump is that they are far more efficient They are completely automated you don't have to carry your haul anything and you can make your own electricity you cannot make your own pellets At least not yet I don't know if anybody's working on a way to DIY pellet production or how effective or practical that might be Lastly most people who are looking for affordable heating are doing so because they can't afford other heating that means you're going to be relatively low income which means you need to verify any incentives that are available for things like this because most of them are wealthy people coupon codes not poor people assistance To explain most of the time they are taxed credits not tax rebates what that means is if you spend $900 on a pellet stove they are not going to give you a $300 check to help pay for that pellet stove What you're going to get is a $300 credit on your taxes which means you have to actually owe $300 in taxes in order to collect the $300 rebate or credit And the problem is this is not against your tax burden in this country we split our taxes into a death of a thousand cuts for example your federal income tax is actually three separate federal income taxes you have federal income tax base federal income tax social security and federal income tax Medicare you do not get rebates or refunds on either of the second two you only get rebates or tax credits on the first one and that's usually one of the smaller taxes you pay overall so you have to owe enough in federal income tax base in order to collect that $300 tax credit if you were to get 30% off say a $900 stove for example if you don't owe that much in taxes you don't get the credit at all so you need to double check what kind of a credit this is is it a refundable credit or is it a simple tax credit if it's refundable then everybody gets it then it's actually assistance if it's a regular tax rebate credit then poor people need not reply You're not going to get it :-) this is what happened with the initial electric car tax credit The people who needed the tax credit couldn't get it because you have to earn $65,000 in income in order to owe enough taxes assuming you have no other credits to collect in order to claim the 7500 tax credit :-) well median per capita income in a country is $37,652 which means probably 70% of the country doesn't make enough income to collect the EV tax credit so it basically became a wealthy person's Tesla coupon :-) everybody else could go pound sand I understand the current rebate has been corrected and it's not refundable so lower income people can actually claim it Some tax credits are use them or lose them such as the EV credit initially some tax credits you have several years to amortize it such as solar tax credit I believe you have three years where you can split up the tax credit over 3 years So check with your local state regarding this pellet stove credit Make sure it's refundable or that you earn enough income to actually collect it and whether or not you can advertise over more than one year or if it's a use it or lose it one shot deal. Now if we can figure out a way to DIY produce our own pellets so that we are not dependent on the price fluctuations of say the local tractor supply and come up with a DIY open source stove so that we can actually maintain it and repair it using off the shelf components that would be wonderful
Again these guys aren't a sponsor here but I did a lot of research and this model seems to be sold worldwide, has an active facebook group, and all parts available. I also saw many notes of people easily getting items replaced under warranty. So I do think there are a lot of companies but somehow this one sells these for a reasonabkle price and gives parts and service. But I did see horror stories about stoves from Harbor freight and Tractor supply but I dont know who the real companies are behind them.
We put in a Napoleon NPS45 pellet three years ago. Great heat, pellet price is dirt cheap…especially if you buy by the ton. The only thing is that it needs regular cleaning. They require good air flow to be efficient. That means turning it off every couple days to clean out the burn pot, etc. certainly not as dirty as a wood stove.
Very cool! My only concern with a pellet stove in a finished inside area is fine dust and ash that could get out. Otherwise I think it’s a great option for a more “rustic” area
As long as the stove gaskets are intact and all pipe connections are sealed properly you don't need to worry about that. Just make sure you have the stove and venting system professionally cleaned every 3 to 5 tons of pellets burned, depending on the pellet quality.
Keep a spare auger motor and ignitor on standby, whereas motors tend to die after 5 years. One should also consider how many pallets of pellets will be needed, and storage of the pellets.
Been using one in NE Ohio for 30+ yrs. Mine converts to 12v DC internally. Draws max. 4 amps on high settings and will run off of a computer UPS for 18 hrs. in power outage. 5 days on 12v deep cycle battery with power inverter. Uses 1 bag of pellets in 36 hrs. at 0-4 degrees in a 1600 sq. ft. ranch house.
It's a shame pellet prices are insane right now. We bought our first stove seven years ago. Pellets have doubled in price since then. The unit price isn't the problem. It's the cost of fuel.
You nailed it.Right now in Michigan a decent pellet is going over $6 a bag, I’ve been running a mini-split and paying for electricity instead.it’s not worth the trouble right now
I've been heating my house for 15 years with a pellet stove and i'll never go back. I'm using a mini split system for heating until it gets real cold, then when it's below -12 -15, i fire the pellet stove. Keep the pellets dry, keep the stove clean and it will provide many years of comfort. 15 years ago a bag of softwood pellet was 5$, today it's 5.50-5.90$. very resonable price over the years. Also, the chimney is very easy to clean, it only creates a dust inside the chimney with practically no creosote.
I oversized mine so the unit has enough capacity so it extends the burn rate in one hopper full, installed next to my furnace installed a grill in the cold air return and use the fernace blower to move the heat around the house. will likely install a second one on the second floor.
Good video. Some counter points. Handling pellets can be messy, as they can create dust and debris. This includes cleaning the ash pan, hopper, and auger, as well as inspecting the electrical components and vacuuming the heat exchanger. Pellet fireplaces require electricity to operate, so they will not function during power outages. This can be a significant drawback in areas prone to power disruptions. Pellet fireplaces can be more expensive than traditional wood fireplaces, both in terms of the initial purchase cost and ongoing fuel expenses. Pellet prices can fluctuate depending on supply and demand. Think Pellet fireplaces typically heat the room they are installed in most effectively. However, they may not be as efficient at distributing heat to other parts of the house. Finally, Particulate Matter (PM) pollution: PM is a mixture of solid and liquid particles suspended in the air. It can be emitted from wood pellet fireplaces, and it can irritate your respiratory system, cause coughing and wheezing, and exacerbate asthma and other respiratory conditions. In severe cases, PM pollution can lead to heart disease, lung cancer, and premature death.
My mom used a pellet stove for the majority of my middle school and highschool life, Every Single YEAR. They would have to replace the auger that feeds the pellets to the flame. 475$ per auger. Sometimes 2 times a year. - "The amount of the credit you can take is a percentage of the total improvement expenses in the year of installation: 2022: 30%, up to a lifetime maximum of $500 2023 through 2032: 30%, up to a maximum of $1,200 (heat pumps, biomass stoves and boilers have a separate annual credit limit of $2,000), no lifetime limit" ... hmm i wonder why... no lifetime limit....
I wonder if you had a corn stove. I have heard they are great but one issue is augers wear out at least once a year. That isn't the case for wood pellets. Motors can fail and augers can but there are plenty that are 20 year old originals.
Pellets here went from just under $4 a bag to $6/bag now. I used to buy them by the pallet (50 bags) so I got a pretty good deal back then. I took my pellet burner out and don't plan on using it any time soon unless pellets go down in price (not holding my breath)
My pellet stove by US Stove uses 2 fans 1 for exhaust and 1 for heat circulation,its 8 years old and still running strong and yes we have ceiling fans to circulate the heat from room to room $6.50 per bag and 1 bag per day and our home is really warm.
I’ve had a pellet stove for six winters now and the price of pellets were reasonable at $5.75, in the beginning, this winter I have been paying $ 7.99 a bag. If they go up anymore in price, i will put my wood stove back in. Love my pellet stove, just getting too expensive to buy pellets.
If you put an insulation cover it uses less pellets and they last longer. Also you can directly install it into your hvac system to heat the whole house
I wish the pellets were affordable in my area. I decided to go with a gas insert a couple years ago instead hoping it would be more affordable to add a little supplemental heat. It makes our living room very comfortable when we use it.... However with natrual gas prices now through the roof this last year I don't like running it as often! Hurts my pockets now!
I chose a propane heater over a pellet stove last year because there was virtually zero work for me once it was installed. With all the power outages here in the backwoods of Maine, it also runs with no power needed. HOWEVER, it has tried to kill me twice with propane leaks. I'm 10 days past the last event, and still recovering. Never been so sick in my life! Next winter, I will have a pellet stove and a battery back up system in place.
Particulate Matter (PM) pollution: PM is a mixture of solid and liquid particles suspended in the air. It can be emitted from wood pellet fireplaces, and it can irritate your respiratory system, cause coughing and wheezing, and exacerbate asthma and other respiratory conditions. In severe cases, PM pollution can lead to heart disease, lung cancer, and premature death.
I grew up with a pellet stove and used tp pick the nastiest brown partially wooden crud out of my nose when I woke up in the morning. Not to mention the augers are usually more expensive than the wood stove itself, then the cost to have someone come out and install it... The auger is what feeds to pellets to the flame and keeps the heater running over night and such without your 100% attention.
@crisnmaryfam7344 sounds like the stove had a leak or was improperly installed. Been using a pellet stove for years and never once have had issues with interior air quality
The first time, was the day the propane company installed the stove, and they forgot to tighten down a connection. It was good after that last winter. This winter, a connection inside the stove failed. I had the propane company come out to find the leak. It was a failure of Martin (the stove manufacturer) to tighten an internal connection so it only lasted a year before it failed. But I'll tell you, it's not worth it to me to go through another couple of weeks recovery from propane poisoning. After two times, I just don't trust propane any more.@@qqslp
I must confess John that you are smarter than most RUclips. Video producers who look at a variety of other methods to heat a garage or a barn. What they don't understand are the points that you have raised in this video. One of the largest single costs is the fuel. And wood pellets are cheaper than all fossil fuels except for natural gas on a on. A equivalent wait per energy unit basis. Congratulations to you, Indeed you are a smart guy!😊
We've been using pellet stoves for years here in Chile. At first, people were skeptical about them, but little by little they have gained popularity. They generate more heat compared to other heating media (my stove turns about 87% of what it burns into heat). One tip, please make sure your pellet is dry, as humidity affects it a lot. And also, make sure you strain the pellet before you feed the stove, as the dust, will turn into ashes and that will reduce the heat output, and also it will reduce the time between having to vacuum the stove.
@@mr.monitor. Here in Chile there's a Government agency that checks every single item that uses energy (gas, diesel, wood, electricity, etc) they test the products and then label them according to how efficient they're. Also they're responsible for checking the electrical part before products (imported and national made) are OK to be sold in Chile. Then as a consumer, you can check it has been approved and also how efficient the appliance is. My mom's pellet stove is rated at 85% and she got a new model for her beach house and that's rated at 92%.
@@mr.monitor. Sorry my bad, my original post was made with my cell phone and I didn't read it before replying. I meant to say 87% not 97%. I'll correct that as I don't want to sound as if I'm misleading people. Thanks for pointing out my mistake.
We've had our (Quadrifire) pellet stove for the past 15 years with no maintenance or breakdowns at all. You just need to clean out the pot after a for or five bags are burned and you can do that (after you shut it off and it cools down) by hand with a small metal scraper and a small shop vac. Much less messy than wood heat and no bugs sneak into the house with wood. The drawback is the cost of the pellets....they were $200 a ton a few years ago now up to $300 per ton (depending on where you buy them). I'm sure they will be $400 per ton in a few years. Our Quadrifire has 3 speeds, so you adjust how warm you want your place and how quickly you burn your pellets. We keep ours on low (burns 3/4 bag a day) unless it gets colder outside....medium is usually a bag a day.
Oh. And get some of the high temp foil tape for the exhaust joints. The stuff works great, and any leaks will be handled. The exhaust is pressurized, so the pipes have a high probability of leaking. The tape is better than silicone....because you can pull it off for clean out and replace it.
Maybe the new pellet stoves work better, but my experience with Quadra Fire stove from 2009 was horrible. We threw it away and replaced with a soapstone catalytic stove - it works beautifully. BTW, the government also has tax deduction for high efficiency wood stoves, you don't have to use pellets
I've got a soapstone catalytic stove that came with my house and I've been too intimidated to use it because it seems too complicated and I don't really know how it works.
@@gravityisweak Just find the user manual for your model. It's not complicated at all. Catalytic bypass ON, wait till the temperature reaches X degrees, bypass OFF. Clean the chimney once a year. Soapstone stoves are fantastic - you burn it once a day at night and it still stays hot in the morning.
Should check the exaust outlet temperature mine runs around 250 to 300 so I made a stainless section of 3 inch pipe indoors to lower the exhaust temp to around 130 degrees before going outside
I have a Hartman 68,000 BTU pellet stove that I heat my entire house with. ( 2870 sq. ft ) I burn 4 to 4/12 tons every hearing season. I do have a propane furnace, and a gas water heater as well as a cooking stove. With that said I once went 2 years without buying any propane. I should mention that I live in a long home that was always cold in the winter. Not any longer with the wood heat from my pellet stove. 👍
Well do more research. He missed quite a few key points. Augers, IF you aren't aware they feed to pellets to the stove,. much like a giant post hole digger, but on an angle to spool pelets to the flame. They can often be more expensive than the entire stove. Then the cost to replace them. Also - Particulate Matter (PM) pollution: PM is a mixture of solid and liquid particles suspended in the air. It can be emitted from wood pellet fireplaces, and it can irritate your respiratory system, cause coughing and wheezing, and exacerbate asthma and other respiratory conditions. In severe cases, PM pollution can lead to heart disease, lung cancer, and premature death.
PM problems are overstated to say the least. Don't let that be a factor in your decision unless you or a close neighbor already have breathing problems. Properly operated pellet stoves are very clean burning.
I'm pretty sure that stoves in garages are required to be 18" above ground in garages just like gas water heaters and dryers are required to in garages.
We have these in Canada and it costs a bag of pellets a day that comes to 7$ a day, so that’s 210$ a month plus 100$ for power so where the savings but they’re better than a heat pump.
Very nicely done Sir! I live in an area that the electricity isn't very reliable, so glad to know there's an alternative to powering theses stoves during power outages in stormy winter conditions. Cost wise Comfort Bilt HP50S $1,750.00 Stove, plus EF ECOFLOW DELTA 2, 1024Wh $1,000.00 Install kits $392.00 = $3,142.00 to run it as long as the power isn't off more than 7 hours. Add a EcoFlow 400W Portable Solar Panel kit for another $1,00.00 and your good to go in just about any power situation at $4,142.00 plus taxes and any government fees. Plus the cost of pellets. What is the cost of Pellets in your area and how long will a pound run? Thanks for sharing. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
I’ve had 2 pellet stoves over the years and I love the heat! This year, may be my last, because of the price. I burn 2 ton or 100-40 lb. bags @ $7/bag, that’s $700+tax. Delivered, which most can do themselves I paid $110 up from $60 last year. I know all sources of heat are going up, but this stove is mainly for a kitchen and living room. I have a wood stove downstairs that helps. A full cord of oak wood, delivered is $350. I burn 2 full cords a year. My gas furnace never comes on. What do you think? Is $1,050 a lot to heat a small 2 bedroom house with a finished basement? Maybe it’s not so bad??
I have tried wood and coal, I have settled on pellets. yes the price went up from 250 to 315 for us. I will keep mine for a few more years, but the heat pumps are looking awefully attractive.
There are so many variables to consider. The quality of wood being delivered, the type of stove you have, how the hot air is disbursed etc. Wood is the most affordable heat source. If you have multiple rooms, you will likely require a furnace which moves/blows the hot air, versus only heating the surrounding air like a stove. If you have a larger house, chances are you’ll want the furnace tied into the ductwork. Irregardless, nothing provides BTUs/heat more efficiently and cheaply than wood. Again, there’s so many variables. Small pieces of wood are great for starting the fire, but once it’s going only large pieces should be added. A large piece of wood will burn for 6-9 hours in a properly functioning stove/furnace. Where as that same piece of wood split into quarters will only last roughly 3-4 hours unless you add them one at a time. How wet the wood is, how hard the wood is(pine/oak?) etc. Typically a small wood furnace(with blower) is more than enough to heat a small two bedroom home. For example, we have a 24x30x48 wood furnace in our basement. We aim the blower up the basement stairs and syphon 25% off through one duct leading to the first floor at the opposite side of the house. This easily heats the basement, first, and second floor of our 30x30 house. Mostly insulated(not every room) and we make it through WI winters with about 10 truck loads a year. If we burned propane the house would be roughly ten degrees colder and cost about $2000-$2500 a winter. Nothing beats wood. Pellets are better than electric. Otherwise I would only recommend pellets if wood is difficult to find, you only require minimal heat, or if handling wood is too difficult. Again, wood becomes really efficient with larger pieces.
Pellets are typically more $ than natural gas…..but cheaper than oil or propane. Wood is totally dependent upon your you source and how much work you do yourself….
@@WontSeeReplies A lot of info in your post. But not sure how much wood is in a truck load? With electric a person is at the mercy of government mandated EV use in the future. There appears to be a general push -back just starting (encouraging) but they have ways of pushing through whatever result their ultimate agenda results entail..(cautionary and thoughtful pause). Wood is the ultimate dependable standby. Even if you have to burn coniferous. Pellets on the other hand, especially if government is promoting it, has my caution flags quite aware and wisping with minimal relaxation and peacefulness. Pellet stoves...then there's the issue of potential proprietary parts like worm drive feeds or whatever specific 'must have ' part going bad. Depending what fails if it can't realistically be custom fabricated (or insured) if OEM has gone out of business or is on 2-3 mo back order, Mother Nature waits for no one. This is what has always made me weary of going pellet stove, even though the idea of being able to fill a reservoir and let me go away for a 3 day weekend is very appealing. Something that few, if any, normal air-tight conventional forest wood burning heater allows you to do. I guess the only potential candidates are outdoor wood furnaces which are not a simple weekend installation. And they're expensive, whether initially or upon replacement, sometimes surprising you with rusted out fireboxes after 10 years when you thought you'd get at least 20-30. As for conventional forest supplied wood heat, I'm still discouraged by the number of YT channel creators that refer to acreage supplied firewood as 'free heat'. Not everyone has tractors and skidders and free gas and oil and chainsaws and wood splitters and the significant time it takes to tie all those components into a supply of stacked, seasoned firewood. (Not implicating this YT channel in this way though👍). ✌️🙏
Most pellet stoves come automatically set to air coming into your stove at half . CALIFORNIA The same stove in Montana the stove works great at Cold Temperatures set to half open. Not so well at CONTINUOUS FREEZING TEMPS We set it open all the way. Works great. There is a big difference . We might haveto turn it back to half when tempertures are not freezing. HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING. Apparently their is less AIR ln freezing temperatures.
First, love your channel and I live in NH too!! I was wondering if you could do a video on how long you could run your pellet stove off of battery back up.
Big fan of my ComfortBilt HP50S, running Northern Warmth Douglas Fir pellets. Oil heat rarely kicks on and the fir (while pricey) burns hot and leaves barely any ash. EasyBlaze softwood is not bad either. I found both these better suited for me than the hardwoods (no offense you Hamer's lovers!). The big box commercial pellets are cheaper and way dirtier. I recommend trying a selection of hard and softwoods to see what works best in your stove. I tried about a dozen different brands, measured the heat output and clean up. As for the stove itself, I'm picking up another ComfortBilt (HP40) soon for a different part of the house.
I have an insert wood burning stove. I've thought about adding a pellet stove for a few years. But just like my insert the electricity is an issue. OK, I can get a small generator like you show, but those run out of juice. I want something that's free standing and not using electricity in those emergency times. I also want to be able to cook on one. I'm limiting my choices but I need what I need. Plus, pellets are expensive and going up in price. Nothing cheap about them.
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you should talk about building your own powerstation with inverters, cables and car batteries.
What would really sell this pellet stove for me is making my own pellets from the twigs and scrap wood I get.
Can you do a video on sawdust to pellets?
Thank you.
Also can you do reviews on just sawdust stoves?
Been running a pellet insert in our 2800 sq ft house for 3 seasons in Maine. Cut my oil down by 500 gallons a year at about 1/3 of the cost. Also, the pellets I use are made about 50 miles from my house so it supports local businesses, not some oil company.
Do pellets run your vehicle that you go to get them?
@@jamesspalten5977 maybe he’s got a horse and a wagon
@@jamesspalten5977 Why did you think anyone wanted your rude comment?
@@jamesspalten5977hurry now, find your safe space 😂
@@jamesspalten5977nothing wrong with reducing your oil dependence where you can.
I've been an oil heat technician for most of my 50+ year career along with gas, propane and heat pumps. Wood pellet heating is a great alternative. It just takes minimal effort to keep the hopper full. No smell, no leaks, no spills, no kaboom.
still have oil heat myself which is getting rare in Cincinnati. Especially a Snyder General with a DMR-10C burner.
No , cheesy intros, fluff or bs. Straight to the point. Love this channel
This is the only channel with decent real world product reviews
I really appreciate that, thank you
failed to mention auger failures that happen usually 1-2 times a year, and the auger costs as much or MORE than the stove itself.
There are only pros and NO cons. It’s called advertisement, not a review.
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True, I’ve been watching this channel for a few years. Simple and informative for lots of home/yard stuff.
Good choice vs an fully gas orelectric heater. We’re a whole family of firefighters and fire inspectors, and the amount of fires caused by any price range of gas and electric heaters is beyond insane. Even though pellet stoves can be put closer to items, they really should have quite a bit of space. Also, always ensure you have a CO and explosive gas alarm.
Such great points. People can be very careless with electric heaters. They are deceptively safe due to being clean but so hot. Great info about the alarms too! Thank you for sharing this
Ill add dehumidifier’s. Ive been to a shocking amount of workers due to faulty ones.
@@Burritosarebetterthantacoswhat do you think about dehumidifiers in crawl spaces?
@@zoolu6879 id get a purpose built one made specifically for that purpose. They typically hang from rafters. Plugging in a standalone homeowner one is a gamble. I did for years but after seeing a few total losses I unplugged it.
@@Burritosarebetterthantacos I guess I should have specified, but yeah I was asking about the purpose built ones. Thank you for the reply!
I put one in several years ago. With the solar and a running a ceiling fan so it blows up towards the ceiling it works brilliantly.
Hey Chris. I have the same stove. Some notes in case you didn't know:
- In one clip it looks like your air wash handle is all the way left (closed); if you open it, you'll get less soot on the window, but you'll still get some.
- If you're running on Manual mode low, sometimes the fire dies while you're reloading pellets, because the auger stops while the lid is open; you can turn on Safety Mode ("Limit" option), which will allow the auger to spin with the lid open. Could be dangerous, but as long as you don't stick your hand in there.
- There's a way to hook up a smart thermostat to these, so you can preheat the shop ahead of going there. Comfortbilt doesn't necessarily like telling people that, but it's doable. Lmk if you want details.
- Edit, one more. By default the blower speed is the same for all 5 levels. While it's not super loud, there was no reason for my blower to be going full blast on levels 1-2, since they weren't letting the heat exchangers get hot. I lowered the speed, and it's a lot quieter. I don't feel like I'm sacrificing any heat, because the air coming out the exchangers is much hotter now.
One of the places I work has zero heat in the shop. It’s only about 400 sq ft. But in Oklahoma in the winter, it’s cold. I got a comfort deluxe infrared space heater. It was 40* and I had that shed at about 80* in about an hour.
It’s the best way to go I think
Such a good idea and great review Chris. Do recommend thinking about a rodent screen on the air intake (not sure if your unit has one?).
Looking forward to seeing the deck/pellet stove review.
I was very happy with mine. I heated the house with it, leaving it running most of the day at the lowest setting, and getting cleaned 20 minutes a day, and another 30 minutes for every week, and a 45 minutes cleaning once a year. It was not the only heat. The oil heat ran off a thermostat. But, the overall bill, was much less. I was mostly buying the oil at 10 gallons a pop, so, clearly, the pellet system was doing most of the work. The quirk of my stove, was that higher settings only gave me trivially more heat, but burned twice the pellets. And my stove liked only one kind of pellets.
Love the videos! I'm also here in NH. I've had a Harman pellet stove for about 10 years. It's now the primary source of heat (with the original propane forced hot air installed in house). We use about 2.5 tons of pellets per heating season (of course they increase by price every delivery). You mention battery backup. This is critically important! I have a modified sine-wave UPS my pellet stove plugs into. When the Harman detects the variation of sinewave, it goes into automatic shut down (pulses combustion blower on/off for about 30 minutes until the stove it out). Without this shutdown process, smoke could back up into the house. Again, the is using the recommended MSW inverter as opposed to a pure sinewave inverter which will run the stove normally.
I really appreciate how thorough you were with how to set up a stove, where did buy the product, and ideas about the EVENFLOW generator. Thanks so much! 🙏🏽
Have always had a pellet stove currently a Pizzetta Sabrina. Super simple to service and clean and program. I would have put in a vertical rise first of 4 or 5 feet then out thru the wall that way it'll pull any smoke out instead of into your shop if you lose power suddenly. Pro tip: end of season I seal mine off from outside(Take the necessary precautions),so moisture doesn't get in and rust inside stove because it will. Also load mine up inside with a desiccant.
Thats when you plug in your pallet stove to the Ecoflow power station to supply power during an outage. I have a small one (Ecoflow River 2 Pro) that runs 2 DC and one AC fan to keep my chicken tractor cool for the chickens in the summer. I have it plugged into a solar panel that keeps the power station charged. I plan on getting a bigger Ecoflow power station and maybe add on additional solar panels.
That’s the way to do it, we have a small Blueitti power box and I decided to build my own with a 100 amp Lifepo4 battery. That way I can add more batteries and if the inverter goes in it I can replace it. I have a couple solar panels also it’s a nice hobby. Take care of those chickens.
Installed a Harmon P61A seven years ago and never regretted it, im in Northern New England and we usually heat 8 months out of the year, i generally use 4 to 5 tons of softwood pellets per year and only clean my stove three times a year, best investment ive ever done.
I have an Englander pellet stove in my shop and it works GREAT. Maintenance is necessary to keep them working well, and this winter I'm still redoing insulation and wall panels, but it's great having some good reliable heat out there.
Have one that is a insert.i found with that brand keep the saw dust out of the augger and they last for many years
Getting hooked on pellets ? Keep your options open. Conveyor type burn it at as said eco is rate. No power, no heat. No flue , no heat . Free flow ain’t in and exhaust ain’t sealed well and up as. With balanced flu . Exhaust sealer paste as on car exhaust fumes seal is a better proven. But must be accessible for maintaining repair if required. . But no power nothing can run to get heat from any flexible cost of pellets out of the question., not inflation proof either.
My Englander’s been heating my 2500 sq ft house for 17 yrs.Ive been through multiple major parts on it but all are easily available and pretty straightforward to replace. I’ve saved a literal ton of money on heating oil and would never be without a pellet stove living in the NE
Enjoyed your presentation, fast but clear. As a retired building official I thought you did very well. Two things that drew a little attention were the intake air size being reduced, normally that is a bad idea. But with the fans driving the air maybe not a big issue. Normally manufacturers have them sized to meet demand. The second is most appliances require a specific amount of head on the exhaust, but perhaps with your direct vent you superseded that. Minor issues but I liked the quick presentation. Didn’t feel you wasted my time. Thanks dave
Nice, I as well live here in NH and did basically the same thing. I replace my wood stove of 20+ years with a Harmon Pellet insert a couple years ago. Last year I purchased the Ecoflow Delta 2 with the extra battery knowing that we could loose power. I just didn't want to wake-up to a freezing house. The Harmon pulls about 350w starting and 87w once it starts. The best part is, I can monitor the pellet stove remotely while at work to see if I had lost power through the Ecoflow. Be-aware, Ecoflow is an EPS not a UPS. it take about 30ms - 50ms to cycle from a power outage (may not be good for computer systems). For the pellet stove we have was not an issue as it remembers its last state of operation.
11/26/23. In Alabama its 55 degrees outside, 65 inside, still haven't turned on the heat yet. Tonight will be the first time.
In parts of the north heating systems only get a slight rest between June and Maybe late September.
I purchased a comforter built hp-55 about 2 years ago and I love it. The only thing I would recommend is before installing it is to set it up on a level surface outside and put a piece of exhaust pipe on it and burn a bag of pellets through it. If not the fumes from the paint on it will make your house smell awful and prymake your smoke alarms go off like mine did.
Glad to see a non-sponsored video. Keep up the great work!
The quality of pellets can vary greatly and can make a big difference. The exhaust should always be run straight without elbows when possible for better flow and to clean easily with a brush or blow out with a shop vac. They really are great stoves if you keep them clean and can find good pellets that have been properly stored. Harmon makes great quality, had one for a dozen years and works like new.
Far as youtube videos go, this is a very good presentation. Very clear speaker. Understandable. etc.
Love my two Harman Pellet Stoves. I've had them over a decade and do all the maintenance myself as they both exit the chimney flues. Unforunately the Pellet prices continue to go up each year but for the instant heat they provide over my cast-iron baseboards I will pay the preminum here in Massachusetts.
I love that wall thimble you installed. I used a piece of exhaust pipe I put through the corner of the thimble I installed and put a course screen on the outside.
Check if any pellet suppliers in your area carry the Somerset brand of pellets the company that makes them also makes hardwood flooring and use the sawdust to make them they burn hotter than anything else I have tried and they make very little ash per bag.
My stove is similar to yours and I have had it 10 years now with no issues
Once again, Chris has been reading my mind and posts a timely video about something I’ve been thinking about! 😂
I’ve got a woodstove that heats half my house really well, but the other end just has electric baseboards. We don’t sit in that side of the house that often, so a pellet stove makes a lot of sense since we could just turn it on when needed.
Thanks for another great (psychic) video! 🙏
I really appreciate that. There is even a wall mounted pellet stove, while it lacks the ambiance of the full window fire, it can work amazingly well for spot heating specific areas. Very clever design with easy install.
My mom used a pellet stove for the majority of my middle school and highschool life, Every Single YEAR. They would have to replace the auger that feeds the pellets to the flame. 475$ per auger. Sometimes 2 times a year.
i have the hp50 and i like it for simple to use and customer service is good to talk to also when you have questions
this is my second winter using it and i do suggest to watch the videos on cleaning and trouble shooting
When getting a Pellet stove, look into multi fuel Versions. We had one years ago that would burn many things.
We had found with mixing wood pellets with whole or cracked corn put out 60-80% more heat over straight pellets.
You can also get Fans that work moving the heat around, using the heat of the stove to power them.
So you buy the bags of crack corn at the feed store?
Mine burns pellets, corn, or cherry pits corn definitely burns the hottest
Those little heat powered fans are a necessity in an off grid application.
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We live in New Hampshire, too, and we have TWO pellets stoves as our primary heat. The house is big, and 250 years old, so there's a lot to heat. ONE THING TO REMEMBER - ensure you clean the exhaust once a year! Though a chimney fire is NOT likely, you CAN get a near fire from the "fly ash" that is produced by these stoves. Basically, the fly ash will collect at the bends in the exhaust pipe, and enough of it will inhibit the exhaust and cause smoking, if not a fire. You can tell when the exhaust is getting clogged, because the flame inside will not be vigorous and trying to go up, rather it will start to get lazy. You'll understand if you get one. One last note, we have larger stoves than the one demonstrated here - and with a 2000wh solar generator - we can continuously run the stove for 18 hours - as long as you put it on "stove" mode rather than "temperature" mode. ( meaning the stove will not cycle on and off, or lower / higher, as it may require the ignitor to be used ).
We are overjoyed with this information! Our pellet stove, well over twenty years old, has sat for years due to issues concerning its condition. With the tax break and the advancements you've shown we are going to look at replacing it. Thanks for sharing.
We have a 19 year-old Harman P-61 and a 26 year-old Harman - both have been used every winter. Only part I've had to replace is a blower motor on the older Harman ( last year ), and combustion fan on the newer one ( 3 years ago ).
I have this exact stove. Pellets used to be a cheaper option for a warm home. That's no longer true. It's the same cost to heat with natural gas or with pellets. A bonus of this Comfortbilt HP22-S, it's exempt from EPA no burn high pollution days we have in the city I live.
Great channel! I really appreciate the detailed explanation, and enjoy the educational information. Thank you for all your efforts! New subscriber. 👍
My pellet stove heats My entire house easily and to an extremely comfortable temperature whenever I need it.This year I used oil until Thanksgiving. Basically $3 to $6 a day for heating an almost 2000 sq foot home.
I have a fireplace insert that burns dried shelled corn that works the same as a pellet stove. I have been using it for about 20 years and it works great.
I had a pellet stove to heat our 2500 sq foot house, worked great but needed cleaning every 3 or 4 days even as long as 5 to 6 days with douglas fir based pellets. Some are available with 12 volt DC. I would buy the pellets by the pallet, so energy cost was less than firewood, we replace a high efficiency wood stove with the pellet stove.
Another great informative video. Look forward to your next one.
Pellet stores are quite amazing but they also have some serious issues
First maintenance and warranty Good luck :-) I bought a really nice pellet stove that holds 3 days worth of pellets and it died within 4 months and good luck getting the company to warranty it this is not something you can just take back to the store it's delivered by a truck it's heavy it took three of us to get it in the house
Functionally they are amazing there is close to a heat pump or electric heater you can get with a wood burning stove however they are nowhere near as cheap to run as a heat pump which is going to be cheaper to run
One of the most common issues is when the auger stops running usually it's the brain board inside that has failed and that is not something that is easy to DIY fixes you might think unless you are electronics minded
What I would really like to see is an open source pellet stove designed and built something we can DIY and therefore easily maintain and repair with off the shelf components in the future
The other problem is the pellets you need to be able to pick up 40 lb because that's how much a bag of pellets weighs and that's how much you need per day so it is far more efficient than a wood stove a wood stove can't touch this
However a wood stove has some extremely serious advantages one of the primary which is using scrap as fuel I can pick up pallets I can churn paper into pulp and make my own briquettes and burn those in a wood stove you cannot do the same for a pellet stove
This means you are at the mercy of the price of pellets when I had a pellet stove before I got rid of it and replaced it with a heat pump more on that later
I had 3 years worth of pellets to give myself some insulation from price fluctuations if the price went up one year I would just not buy any and I would wait until either a coupon or a sale or the price came down and then I would restock but this requires you to keep two or three years worth of pellets on hand that means you need a place to put those pellets I had a sea container out back a shipping container or conex container and my pellets took up a third of a container it was also quite a bit of work hauling them in and out of the house and container every 3 days I'd have to haul in 120 lb of pellets for the next 3 days I couldn't carry more than one at a time that meant three trips eventually if I stuck with pellets I would probably put a ramp on the back door so I can use my little electric cart to haul the pellets into the house
Now onto other problems this is going to apply to a wood stove as well so it's not unique to pellet stoves I ended up replacing my pellet stove with a heat pump which also failed within 6 months :-( sometimes the universe hates me anyway my insurance company wanted to raise my insurance $500 a year for having any source of fire heat that $500 alone made the investment into a heat pump substantially cheaper
Another advantage of a heat pump is that they are far more efficient They are completely automated you don't have to carry your haul anything and you can make your own electricity you cannot make your own pellets
At least not yet I don't know if anybody's working on a way to DIY pellet production or how effective or practical that might be
Lastly most people who are looking for affordable heating are doing so because they can't afford other heating that means you're going to be relatively low income which means you need to verify any incentives that are available for things like this because most of them are wealthy people coupon codes not poor people assistance
To explain most of the time they are taxed credits not tax rebates what that means is if you spend $900 on a pellet stove they are not going to give you a $300 check to help pay for that pellet stove
What you're going to get is a $300 credit on your taxes which means you have to actually owe $300 in taxes in order to collect the $300 rebate or credit
And the problem is this is not against your tax burden in this country we split our taxes into a death of a thousand cuts for example your federal income tax is actually three separate federal income taxes you have federal income tax base federal income tax social security and federal income tax Medicare you do not get rebates or refunds on either of the second two you only get rebates or tax credits on the first one and that's usually one of the smaller taxes you pay overall so you have to owe enough in federal income tax base in order to collect that $300 tax credit if you were to get 30% off say a $900 stove for example if you don't owe that much in taxes you don't get the credit at all
so you need to double check what kind of a credit this is is it a refundable credit or is it a simple tax credit if it's refundable then everybody gets it then it's actually assistance if it's a regular tax rebate credit then poor people need not reply You're not going to get it :-) this is what happened with the initial electric car tax credit The people who needed the tax credit couldn't get it because you have to earn $65,000 in income in order to owe enough taxes assuming you have no other credits to collect in order to claim the 7500 tax credit :-) well median per capita income in a country is $37,652 which means probably 70% of the country doesn't make enough income to collect the EV tax credit so it basically became a wealthy person's Tesla coupon :-) everybody else could go pound sand I understand the current rebate has been corrected and it's not refundable so lower income people can actually claim it
Some tax credits are use them or lose them such as the EV credit initially some tax credits you have several years to amortize it such as solar tax credit I believe you have three years where you can split up the tax credit over 3 years
So check with your local state regarding this pellet stove credit Make sure it's refundable or that you earn enough income to actually collect it and whether or not you can advertise over more than one year or if it's a use it or lose it one shot deal.
Now if we can figure out a way to DIY produce our own pellets so that we are not dependent on the price fluctuations of say the local tractor supply and come up with a DIY open source stove so that we can actually maintain it and repair it using off the shelf components that would be wonderful
Again these guys aren't a sponsor here but I did a lot of research and this model seems to be sold worldwide, has an active facebook group, and all parts available. I also saw many notes of people easily getting items replaced under warranty. So I do think there are a lot of companies but somehow this one sells these for a reasonabkle price and gives parts and service. But I did see horror stories about stoves from Harbor freight and Tractor supply but I dont know who the real companies are behind them.
I like how you factor in all the pros and cons.
We put in a Napoleon NPS45 pellet three years ago. Great heat, pellet price is dirt cheap…especially if you buy by the ton. The only thing is that it needs regular cleaning. They require good air flow to be efficient. That means turning it off every couple days to clean out the burn pot, etc. certainly not as dirty as a wood stove.
Same with my lopi free standing. This was bought in 2007 3000.00 never replaced anything on this brand except the door gasket.
Nice job! Good pace and rich in content.
This is the only channel with decent real world product reviews. This is the only channel with decent real world product reviews.
Very cool! My only concern with a pellet stove in a finished inside area is fine dust and ash that could get out. Otherwise I think it’s a great option for a more “rustic” area
As long as the stove gaskets are intact and all pipe connections are sealed properly you don't need to worry about that. Just make sure you have the stove and venting system professionally cleaned every 3 to 5 tons of pellets burned, depending on the pellet quality.
Keep a spare auger motor and ignitor on standby, whereas motors tend to die after 5 years. One should also consider how many pallets of pellets will be needed, and storage of the pellets.
Great video. We have two pellet stoves (house and detached garage) and love the way they heat! We also have battery backup both buildings 😉
insulated garage?
@@mikebby20 Not yet 😟 - I also have solar panels that I haven't put on the roof yet...
How’s it working without insulation? Does it warm it well?
Works great keeps things toasty!
Great as always keep them coming I look forward to more 😊
Been using one in NE Ohio for 30+ yrs. Mine converts to 12v DC internally. Draws max. 4 amps on high settings and will run off of a computer UPS for 18 hrs. in power outage. 5 days on 12v deep cycle battery with power inverter. Uses 1 bag of pellets in 36 hrs. at 0-4 degrees in a 1600 sq. ft. ranch house.
Very cool. I might have to look into getting one of these for my garage.
It's a shame pellet prices are insane right now. We bought our first stove seven years ago. Pellets have doubled in price since then. The unit price isn't the problem. It's the cost of fuel.
You nailed it.Right now in Michigan a decent pellet is going over $6 a bag, I’ve been running a mini-split and paying for electricity instead.it’s not worth the trouble right now
Wow, I just saw two types of pellet bags at costco and the cheapest one was $12.99 a bag (LA County).
@@md-wg4bz those were probably for cooking. But the heating bags aren't terribly far off some places. I've seen them for $8-10
Great video, and great looking barn!
I've been heating my house for 15 years with a pellet stove and i'll never go back. I'm using a mini split system for heating until it gets real cold, then when it's below -12 -15, i fire the pellet stove. Keep the pellets dry, keep the stove clean and it will provide many years of comfort.
15 years ago a bag of softwood pellet was 5$, today it's 5.50-5.90$. very resonable price over the years.
Also, the chimney is very easy to clean, it only creates a dust inside the chimney with practically no creosote.
I oversized mine so the unit has enough capacity so it extends the burn rate in one hopper full, installed next to my furnace installed a grill in the cold air return and use the fernace blower to move the heat around the house. will likely install a second one on the second floor.
Great video, thanks. Keep them coming
Very cool idea. Thanks for the inspiration.
Good video. Some counter points. Handling pellets can be messy, as they can create dust and debris. This includes cleaning the ash pan, hopper, and auger, as well as inspecting the electrical components and vacuuming the heat exchanger. Pellet fireplaces require electricity to operate, so they will not function during power outages. This can be a significant drawback in areas prone to power disruptions. Pellet fireplaces can be more expensive than traditional wood fireplaces, both in terms of the initial purchase cost and ongoing fuel expenses. Pellet prices can fluctuate depending on supply and demand. Think Pellet fireplaces typically heat the room they are installed in most effectively. However, they may not be as efficient at distributing heat to other parts of the house. Finally, Particulate Matter (PM) pollution: PM is a mixture of solid and liquid particles suspended in the air. It can be emitted from wood pellet fireplaces, and it can irritate your respiratory system, cause coughing and wheezing, and exacerbate asthma and other respiratory conditions. In severe cases, PM pollution can lead to heart disease, lung cancer, and premature death.
My mom used a pellet stove for the majority of my middle school and highschool life, Every Single YEAR. They would have to replace the auger that feeds the pellets to the flame. 475$ per auger. Sometimes 2 times a year. -
"The amount of the credit you can take is a percentage of the total improvement expenses in the year of installation:
2022: 30%, up to a lifetime maximum of $500
2023 through 2032: 30%, up to a maximum of $1,200 (heat pumps, biomass stoves and boilers have a separate annual credit limit of $2,000), no lifetime limit" ... hmm i wonder why... no lifetime limit....
I wonder if you had a corn stove. I have heard they are great but one issue is augers wear out at least once a year. That isn't the case for wood pellets. Motors can fail and augers can but there are plenty that are 20 year old originals.
Can run essentially all pellet stoves off a tiny generator or battery pack... they don't require a huge amount of wattage.
I definitely would recommend a T with clean out. Mine is inside behind the stove but I clean it quite often and it fills up pretty quickly.
Pellets here went from just under $4 a bag to $6/bag now. I used to buy them by the pallet (50 bags) so I got a pretty good deal back then. I took my pellet burner out and don't plan on using it any time soon unless pellets go down in price (not holding my breath)
Chris, looking forward to your EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra review.
My pellet stove by US Stove uses 2 fans 1 for exhaust and 1 for heat circulation,its 8 years old and still running strong and yes we have ceiling fans to circulate the heat from room to room $6.50 per bag and 1 bag per day and our home is really warm.
I’ve had a pellet stove for six winters now and the price of pellets were reasonable at $5.75, in the beginning, this winter I have been paying $ 7.99 a bag. If they go up anymore in price, i will put my wood stove back in. Love my pellet stove, just getting too expensive to buy pellets.
If you put an insulation cover it uses less pellets and they last longer. Also you can directly install it into your hvac system to heat the whole house
I wish the pellets were affordable in my area. I decided to go with a gas insert a couple years ago instead hoping it would be more affordable to add a little supplemental heat. It makes our living room very comfortable when we use it.... However with natrual gas prices now through the roof this last year I don't like running it as often! Hurts my pockets now!
I chose a propane heater over a pellet stove last year because there was virtually zero work for me once it was installed. With all the power outages here in the backwoods of Maine, it also runs with no power needed. HOWEVER, it has tried to kill me twice with propane leaks. I'm 10 days past the last event, and still recovering. Never been so sick in my life! Next winter, I will have a pellet stove and a battery back up system in place.
Particulate Matter (PM) pollution: PM is a mixture of solid and liquid particles suspended in the air. It can be emitted from wood pellet fireplaces, and it can irritate your respiratory system, cause coughing and wheezing, and exacerbate asthma and other respiratory conditions. In severe cases, PM pollution can lead to heart disease, lung cancer, and premature death.
I grew up with a pellet stove and used tp pick the nastiest brown partially wooden crud out of my nose when I woke up in the morning. Not to mention the augers are usually more expensive than the wood stove itself, then the cost to have someone come out and install it... The auger is what feeds to pellets to the flame and keeps the heater running over night and such without your 100% attention.
@crisnmaryfam7344 sounds like the stove had a leak or was improperly installed. Been using a pellet stove for years and never once have had issues with interior air quality
The first time, was the day the propane company installed the stove, and they forgot to tighten down a connection. It was good after that last winter. This winter, a connection inside the stove failed. I had the propane company come out to find the leak. It was a failure of Martin (the stove manufacturer) to tighten an internal connection so it only lasted a year before it failed. But I'll tell you, it's not worth it to me to go through another couple of weeks recovery from propane poisoning. After two times, I just don't trust propane any more.@@qqslp
I watched a video about a pellet company just cutting down fresh trees for them and not using wood scrap
I just installed the HP 61. Love it
That's great to hear, I am running it right now as I write this and for the price its incredible how good this machine is
I must confess John that you are smarter than most RUclips. Video producers who look at a variety of other methods to heat a garage or a barn. What they don't understand are the points that you have raised in this video. One of the largest single costs is the fuel. And wood pellets are cheaper than all fossil fuels except for natural gas on a on. A equivalent wait per energy unit basis. Congratulations to you, Indeed you are a smart guy!😊
We've been using pellet stoves for years here in Chile. At first, people were skeptical about them, but little by little they have gained popularity. They generate more heat compared to other heating media (my stove turns about 87% of what it burns into heat).
One tip, please make sure your pellet is dry, as humidity affects it a lot. And also, make sure you strain the pellet before you feed the stove, as the dust, will turn into ashes and that will reduce the heat output, and also it will reduce the time between having to vacuum the stove.
Where are you getting that efficiency % from?
@@mr.monitor. Here in Chile there's a Government agency that checks every single item that uses energy (gas, diesel, wood, electricity, etc) they test the products and then label them according to how efficient they're. Also they're responsible for checking the electrical part before products (imported and national made) are OK to be sold in Chile.
Then as a consumer, you can check it has been approved and also how efficient the appliance is.
My mom's pellet stove is rated at 85% and she got a new model for her beach house and that's rated at 92%.
@sydgerald I've seen 92% advertised but not 97%. Seems too good to be true
@@mr.monitor. Sorry my bad, my original post was made with my cell phone and I didn't read it before replying. I meant to say 87% not 97%. I'll correct that as I don't want to sound as if I'm misleading people. Thanks for pointing out my mistake.
Great video. Just curious, what was the room temp before and after the install?
We've had our (Quadrifire) pellet stove for the past 15 years with no maintenance or breakdowns at all. You just need to clean out the pot after a for or five bags are burned and you can do that (after you shut it off and it cools down) by hand with a small metal scraper and a small shop vac. Much less messy than wood heat and no bugs sneak into the house with wood. The drawback is the cost of the pellets....they were $200 a ton a few years ago now up to $300 per ton (depending on where you buy them). I'm sure they will be $400 per ton in a few years. Our Quadrifire has 3 speeds, so you adjust how warm you want your place and how quickly you burn your pellets. We keep ours on low (burns 3/4 bag a day) unless it gets colder outside....medium is usually a bag a day.
Ive heated my whole home with a comfortbilt for years. Good company, good equipment.
Oh. And get some of the high temp foil tape for the exhaust joints. The stuff works great, and any leaks will be handled. The exhaust is pressurized, so the pipes have a high probability of leaking. The tape is better than silicone....because you can pull it off for clean out and replace it.
Maybe the new pellet stoves work better, but my experience with Quadra Fire stove from 2009 was horrible. We threw it away and replaced with a soapstone catalytic stove - it works beautifully. BTW, the government also has tax deduction for high efficiency wood stoves, you don't have to use pellets
I've got a soapstone catalytic stove that came with my house and I've been too intimidated to use it because it seems too complicated and I don't really know how it works.
@@gravityisweak Just find the user manual for your model. It's not complicated at all. Catalytic bypass ON, wait till the temperature reaches X degrees, bypass OFF. Clean the chimney once a year. Soapstone stoves are fantastic - you burn it once a day at night and it still stays hot in the morning.
Should check the exaust outlet temperature mine runs around 250 to 300 so I made a stainless section of 3 inch pipe indoors to lower the exhaust temp to around 130 degrees before going outside
Exactly make it more efficient.
Excellent review,,,thanks
Great video I really enjoyed watching.
I have a Hartman 68,000 BTU pellet stove that I heat my entire house with. ( 2870 sq. ft ) I burn 4 to 4/12 tons every hearing season. I do have a propane furnace, and a gas water heater as well as a cooking stove. With that said I once went 2 years without buying any propane. I should mention that I live in a long home that was always cold in the winter. Not any longer with the wood heat from my pellet stove. 👍
I'm super early today, I can't wait to install mine, I'm so sick of using my central air heater that uses a ton of electric KW
Thank you, this is a very nice alternative and the good looks are a huge plus
Great video. Thanks. This is a source of heat that I haven't thought about.
Well do more research. He missed quite a few key points. Augers, IF you aren't aware they feed to pellets to the stove,. much like a giant post hole digger, but on an angle to spool pelets to the flame. They can often be more expensive than the entire stove. Then the cost to replace them. Also - Particulate Matter (PM) pollution: PM is a mixture of solid and liquid particles suspended in the air. It can be emitted from wood pellet fireplaces, and it can irritate your respiratory system, cause coughing and wheezing, and exacerbate asthma and other respiratory conditions. In severe cases, PM pollution can lead to heart disease, lung cancer, and premature death.
PM problems are overstated to say the least. Don't let that be a factor in your decision unless you or a close neighbor already have breathing problems. Properly operated pellet stoves are very clean burning.
Thanks for the video, got a link for the square exhaust box?
I saw a TW200. Considering the quality of this, and every other, video, I have high hopes for some kickass Yamaha content.
You should look into a Wave Catalytic heater.
Nice video,
I love my pellet stove.
Nice and clean installation.
Great video. Thanks!
I'm pretty sure that stoves in garages are required to be 18" above ground in garages just like gas water heaters and dryers are required to in garages.
We have these in Canada and it costs a bag of pellets a day that comes to 7$ a day, so that’s 210$ a month plus 100$ for power so where the savings but they’re better than a heat pump.
Always wondered how long a battery bank would last running pellet stove when power goes out
The down sides are the two requirements electricity & pellets. with fine ash.
Very clear vid. Thanks
Please make a video about your aluminum extrusion workbench.
Very nicely done Sir! I live in an area that the electricity isn't very reliable, so glad to know there's an alternative to powering theses stoves during power outages in stormy winter conditions. Cost wise Comfort Bilt HP50S $1,750.00 Stove, plus EF ECOFLOW DELTA 2, 1024Wh $1,000.00 Install kits $392.00 = $3,142.00 to run it as long as the power isn't off more than 7 hours. Add a EcoFlow 400W Portable Solar Panel kit for another $1,00.00 and your good to go in just about any power situation at $4,142.00 plus taxes and any government fees. Plus the cost of pellets. What is the cost of Pellets in your area and how long will a pound run? Thanks for sharing. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
I know they make Corn Burning stoves. I wonder if that is able to be used. Thanks, very informative.
I’ve had 2 pellet stoves over the years and I love the heat! This year, may be my last, because of the price. I burn 2 ton or 100-40 lb. bags @ $7/bag, that’s $700+tax. Delivered, which most can do themselves I paid $110 up from $60 last year. I know all sources of heat are going up, but this stove is mainly for a kitchen and living room. I have a wood stove downstairs that helps. A full cord of oak wood, delivered is $350. I burn 2 full cords a year. My gas furnace never comes on. What do you think? Is $1,050 a lot to heat a small 2 bedroom house with a finished basement? Maybe it’s not so bad??
I have tried wood and coal, I have settled on pellets.
yes the price went up from 250 to 315 for us.
I will keep mine for a few more years, but the heat pumps are looking awefully attractive.
is that over 4 months time? very important determination
There are so many variables to consider. The quality of wood being delivered, the type of stove you have, how the hot air is disbursed etc.
Wood is the most affordable heat source. If you have multiple rooms, you will likely require a furnace which moves/blows the hot air, versus only heating the surrounding air like a stove. If you have a larger house, chances are you’ll want the furnace tied into the ductwork.
Irregardless, nothing provides BTUs/heat more efficiently and cheaply than wood. Again, there’s so many variables.
Small pieces of wood are great for starting the fire, but once it’s going only large pieces should be added. A large piece of wood will burn for 6-9 hours in a properly functioning stove/furnace. Where as that same piece of wood split into quarters will only last roughly 3-4 hours unless you add them one at a time. How wet the wood is, how hard the wood is(pine/oak?) etc.
Typically a small wood furnace(with blower) is more than enough to heat a small two bedroom home.
For example, we have a 24x30x48 wood furnace in our basement. We aim the blower up the basement stairs and syphon 25% off through one duct leading to the first floor at the opposite side of the house. This easily heats the basement, first, and second floor of our 30x30 house. Mostly insulated(not every room) and we make it through WI winters with about 10 truck loads a year.
If we burned propane the house would be roughly ten degrees colder and cost about $2000-$2500 a winter. Nothing beats wood.
Pellets are better than electric. Otherwise I would only recommend pellets if wood is difficult to find, you only require minimal heat, or if handling wood is too difficult. Again, wood becomes really efficient with larger pieces.
Pellets are typically more $ than natural gas…..but cheaper than oil or propane. Wood is totally dependent upon your you source and how much work you do yourself….
@@WontSeeReplies A lot of info in your post. But not sure how much wood is in a truck load?
With electric a person is at the mercy of government mandated EV use in the future. There appears to be a general push -back just starting (encouraging) but they have ways of pushing through whatever result their ultimate agenda results entail..(cautionary and thoughtful pause). Wood is the ultimate dependable standby. Even if you have to burn coniferous. Pellets on the other hand, especially if government is promoting it, has my caution flags quite aware and wisping with minimal relaxation and peacefulness.
Pellet stoves...then there's the issue of potential proprietary parts like worm drive feeds or whatever specific 'must have ' part going bad. Depending what fails if it can't realistically be custom fabricated (or insured) if OEM has gone out of business or is on 2-3 mo back order, Mother Nature waits for no one.
This is what has always made me weary of going pellet stove, even though the idea of being able to fill a reservoir and let me go away for a 3 day weekend is very appealing. Something that few, if any, normal air-tight conventional forest wood burning heater allows you to do. I guess the only potential candidates are outdoor wood furnaces which are not a simple weekend installation. And they're expensive, whether initially or upon replacement, sometimes surprising you with rusted out fireboxes after 10 years when you thought you'd get at least 20-30.
As for conventional forest supplied wood heat, I'm still discouraged by the number of YT channel creators that refer to acreage supplied firewood as 'free heat'. Not everyone has tractors and skidders and free gas and oil and chainsaws and wood splitters and the significant time it takes to tie all those components into a supply of stacked, seasoned firewood. (Not implicating this YT channel in this way though👍). ✌️🙏
Most pellet stoves come automatically set to air coming into your stove at half . CALIFORNIA
The same stove in Montana the stove works great at Cold Temperatures set to half open. Not so well at CONTINUOUS FREEZING TEMPS We set it open all the way. Works great. There is a big difference . We might haveto turn it back to half when tempertures are not freezing.
HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING.
Apparently their is less AIR ln freezing temperatures.
Very cool great tips thank for sharing
you are going to have to insulate the intake air pipe or you will have problems with water condensation when it is really cold
cool device, I want one I don't want to buy pellets, I wonder if there is an automatic stove like this with a wood chip option.
First, love your channel and I live in NH too!! I was wondering if you could do a video on how long you could run your pellet stove off of battery back up.
Thank you, the good news is that video is being done right now, it will be out for next week at the latest.
Hey Chris is this the HP-alpine great videos been watching you for a long
Where did you find that wall thimble? What is model and manufacturer? Thanks.
There is also pellet grinders... you put in wood and it spits out pellets... maybe something to do a video about...
Probably time to start thinking about what you want to do when you hit the 1M subscriber mark 🙂
Big fan of my ComfortBilt HP50S, running Northern Warmth Douglas Fir pellets. Oil heat rarely kicks on and the fir (while pricey) burns hot and leaves barely any ash. EasyBlaze softwood is not bad either. I found both these better suited for me than the hardwoods (no offense you Hamer's lovers!). The big box commercial pellets are cheaper and way dirtier. I recommend trying a selection of hard and softwoods to see what works best in your stove. I tried about a dozen different brands, measured the heat output and clean up. As for the stove itself, I'm picking up another ComfortBilt (HP40) soon for a different part of the house.
I have an insert wood burning stove. I've thought about adding a pellet stove for a few years. But just like my insert the electricity is an issue. OK, I can get a small generator like you show, but those run out of juice.
I want something that's free standing and not using electricity in those emergency times. I also want to be able to cook on one.
I'm limiting my choices but I need what I need.
Plus, pellets are expensive and going up in price. Nothing cheap about them.