How can you ignore the fact that Severus Snape was hiding behind the trees when Ron dived in to save Harry from drowning? Ron even mentioned he thought he saw someone move there but was more concerned in saving Harry. Would Snape just have let Harry drown after all he and Dumbledore had planed? I do not think so..
Did he stay the whole time? I wasn't sure. Ron showing up could prompt him to leave. And if he didn't reveal himself (bad idea given Harry's scar) he could have alerted Hermione to find Harry.
Lisa Kazmier Hermione wouldn't have trusted him, remembers everyone thought he was evil at that time. She would've thought of it as a trap. Also, how could he have found Hermione? The enchantments kept anyone who wasn't welcome...out. Ron said he couldn't find them after he left.
Sirius Black He would have had to alert her without revealing who he was, perhaps a noise or disguise. Even if Hermione knew and did act, she could inform Harry later. He would have to act in stealth either way.
I agree. Snape would have saved him. He could have used levicorpus (remember, he INVENTED that spell) to get him out of the water without even necessarily revealing himself.
so result is Harry either A. kills snape after snape saves him B. snape saves Harry and they find out snapes not such a bad guy after all early meaning they can plan with snape how to take down voldemort even means Harry might find out hes a horcrux earlier than before
It's more likely he'd save him and then stun him before he could see It's Snape, leaving him and the sword near the camp. That way, Voldemort wouldn't know it was Snape if he peered into Harry's mind with the connection they share.
Are we forgetting Harry couldn't die as long as Voldemort was alive? He would wake up at the bottom of the lake, remove the locket and return to the top (though it would have been very difficult)
I think Snape noticed Ron was there looking for Harry and Hermione at the time and that's why he left. If Ron hadn't been there Snape would've saved Harry
yep Ron was actually following Harry who was following the doe that snape was controlling from behind a tree at the edge of the clearing this answer needs re-thinking
Domestos Bleach no he didn't do that one yet, but I understand the confusion because he did 'why did draco offer Harry his friendship?' but i want to know what happened if they actually became friends.
they probably wouldn't become friends in the way Harry and Ron became friends. I doubt Draco was interested in a friend of equal stature but more so another lackey like Crabbe and Goyle with the kicker being that Harry is pretty famous so it will make Malfoy look better so to speak...anyways, that kind of friendship would probably not sit well with Harry and the fact that he is famous and would get more attention than Malfoy would probably start to form the cracks that would end the friendship. Malfoy would probably start to bully him 3 on 1 to kind of get back it him for stealing the attention that he thinks he deserves. Snape obviously would probably do nothing considering he will see this as karma for all the times James and his Marauders outnumbered him It would be a pretty shitty situation now for Harry. He would have no real friends and the life he thought he could have outside of Privet Drive ends up turning into something worse. His hopes completely shared and his ability to love going along with it, thus losing his greatest power over Voldemort. Voldemort would ultimately be able to finish off Harry Potter. so yeah, it's why Ron is incredibly important in the grand scheme of things. Other than his parents, the greatest source of love in Harry's life comes from his friendship Ron. Everything good in his life kind of stems from it. He was basically adopted by the Weasley's and began to experience what it is liked to be in a loving family home, and all the while he is just building up that ultimate power of love.
twentyonefallouthoizonsatthedisco Then Harry and Hermione would have died in the first year read the following explanation if you would like to understand Harry meets Ron on the train and they become friends. When Draco comes and offers his friendship to Harry and he (Harry) accepts it(according to the comment not the book) he would have destroyed the friendship between him and Ron because he chose Draco MALFOY over Ron WEASLEY and there is venomous hatred between the two blood lines. Though Harry accepted Draco's friendship it wouldn't last long as he would have been sorted in to Gryffindor and Draco in to Slytherin. Now keeping in mid that Ron isn't is friend if we look back to the time when Harry had faced the troll in the bathroom when he went looking for Hermione we will remember that it was Ron had used Wingardium Leviossa and defeated the troll. If we exclude Ron from the picture Hermione who was to dumbstruck to do anything would have just sat there and watched as the troll swung his club everywhere after being extremely angered at having Harry stick his wand up his nose would have ultimately thwarted Harry. And then the troll would move on and kill Hermione. Hope you liked the explanation and your doubts are gone and if you or anybody else did not like it just ignore it don't leave in the hate.😀😀👍👍
Take into consideration, Snape would have had to be there to cast the Patronus, and I doubt that he would just leave without ensuring Harry got the sword. I think it's likely Snape would have broken the ice or done something to help Harry without revealing himself.
Good video:) But I don't think that Harry would have died if Ron didn't return though. Snape would probably have saved him as he was secretly hiding behind the trees and Harry has that luck of not dying. Even if he died, he may have returned back to life as only the hocrux part of him may have been killed.
Tasha9313 I agree with the first part. SNAPE would have saved Harry. But Harry wouldn't have lived otherwise. U see the horcrux part would have died only if VOLDEMORT put the killing curse. Otherwise before others and for other causes he was just any normal Wizard. VOLDEMORT couldn't kill him because his blood in VOLDEMORT's body was magically keeping Lily's protection alive and thereby preventing VOLDEMORT's wand being fatal to Harry. Also it was that VOLDEMORT's wand was recognizing it's master inside Harry which VOLDEMORT never knew of. :)
Tasha9313 Actually that's not what I said. I said Harry could have died in any normal circumstances or could have been killed by anyone. Nevertheless, in a duel with anybody else, even if Harry failed, the VOLDEMORT's soul would have cast some spell to save Harry just like during SEVEN POTTERS. :)
Душан Радин Ron the one that made the entire strategy of the game. He's the one callingout all the command. Endgame was to let himself be defeated to let Harry get the king! Remember! The first move he made! When the pawn was destroyed. He thought the same would happen to them! I suggest you re-watch it!
Душан Радин he is better at wizarding chess than Harry. it doesnt really show in the movies. he us the one deciding every move. others are just follwing his instructions.
Wow,what an acomplishment in life1 Now i can sleep better,knowing that! Thank you Captain Obvious.Altough i dont see him as the one to decide anything,he cant decide what to put in his own mouth next,or when he should shut the fuck up,and stop beeing useless piece of shit. Hermione is main strategis/planner/brain,Harry is the leader/muscle,Ron??..hes a fucking joke!
Nice thanks for reuploading the video, i was going to ask you if you could do my what if next and then i thought of something, did Harry get a 2nd scar on his body somewhere when Voldemort hit him with the killing curse in the forbidden forest in HP7?
I agree with Todor Todorov, Harry couldn't drown. Tho no, Snape wasn't there, he simply send the patronus to Harry, but ultimately something else would have came up. So the only question is, could Harry and Hermione got together instead if her and loser ginger?
Harry Potter Folklore Thanks for responding to me a little while ago Please do my idea I always say this to you what if Harry Potter was destined for a different wand thanks! :)
Hermione would´ve tried to drop Voldemort anyway, somehow, maybe going into dark side to have a chance. So responsible type person as Hermione, would´ve been grief-stricken for Harry, and heartbroken because of Ron, I can easily see her going singlemindedly after Voldemort, take it 10 years or 100 years, maybe organizing so sort of resistance underground, and with time passing, going more dark and desperate, making her eventually quite brutal. Maybe she would´ve gathered possible allies, including Krum, and determined to get revenge, using Krum as a blunt instrument of destruction, eventually falling in love with him, or pretending to, in order to motivate him. Or maybe, engulfed by anger, just played Krum or some other capable but not very bright wizard, marrying for vengeance, so to say. If surviving long enough, maybe even challenging Voldemort eventually...
I think that if Ron didn't come back to save Harry then Snape would've somehow *anonymously* saved Harry. I'm not sure how, but maybe he would cast a spell to instantly melt all the ice and use "ascendo" on Harry to make him come and jump out of the water and onto the dry land.
I still remember reading this chapter for the first time way back then, and how I was Done with Ron after he left. I was like, I don't care if he comes back, that's Way too many times he's failed his friends. Thank God for Hermione, otherwise Harry would've died a few days later. And That's why Ron and Hermione shouldn't be together.
I think Ron's character was always sold short. Impact he has had on Harry over the last seven years of their schooling is more than just significant. Offering Harry a true family literally sharing his parents with him, saving both his and her my knees arses on the chessboard, as a start. He has always been literally the glue that held them three together. I think it's quite sad really
I'm not so sure Hermione would choose to never speak to Ron again, but Ron's own guilt would destroy their relationship. Even if Hermione forgave Ron (something I think would have been likely based on her character) Ron would be reminded that he let Harry down every time he saw her. Knowing that his actions led to Harry's death would cause a guilt so intense it would have eventually destroyed him. Had Harry died, I think Hermione would have fled to Australia to rejoin her parents and go into hiding with them. Ron would not have bothered going into hiding, and if Voldermort didn't kill him he would have killed himself. Even his own family would have reminded him of his guilt, because they would have all died for Harry without hesitation. Ron already had major self esteem issues. The guilt over having failed his best mate would have surely destroyed him.
Here’s what I think would have happened: 1) Snape would have saved Harry, following Dumbledore’s final orders. He would have alerted Hermione so that she could find and look after him, covering up the fact that Snape was always on their side. 2) While Harry was recovering, Hermione would realize her true feelings for Harry- never able to forgive Ron for leaving them when they needed him most. 3) they would find the rest of the horcruxes- but once they arrived at Hogwarts Ginny would grow angry that Ron wasn’t there, not to mention that Harry had moved on with Hermione. 4) I think that after the battle Ron might be outcasted from his family, but I also don’t think the relationship between Harry and the Weasley family would ever be the same. I don’t think Mrs. Weasley would ever forgive Harry for not going after Ron and ensuring his safety. Not to mention the added slight to both her youngest children now that Harry and Hermione are a couple. 5) Harry and Hermione get married, but neither ever speak to Ron again.
Ron's only contributions were in the first two films/books and the last one was giving Harry a loving family; I think after the second film he could have just clocked out and Hermione and Harry would have been fine.
Sugestion: What if Serious Black never came and looked for Pettygrow? Had Harry never reunied with his godfather? Had Pettgrow never helped Voldemort return, and had Voldemort never taken Harrys blood and mad him invineble for Voldemort to kill???
Upon learning Harry had died in the forest of Dean a fact the Death Eaters made glory to publicize Ron became a pariah within his family. Making the prior rift between his brother Percy and the rest of the family look like a small spat by comparison. Ginny especially never spoke to her brother again, only Bill and Molly attempted to remain cordial with the youngest Weasley boy but when Voldemort destroyed the remains of the Order by April of '98 including the rest of the Weasley's Ron launched himself at Voldemort in a suicidal attempt which Voldemort just flicked off.
If Ron didn’t return, I imagine that he would be caught by death eaters or something and either die or be captured and tortured into insanity like the Longbottoms maybe? Snape would save Harry from the lake, Mrs. Weasley would be much more aggressive with bellatrix killing her first try after losing 2 sons and almost a daughter.
what if Barty Crouch Jr really turned out to be a Time Lord; having made previously hidden his Gallifreyan nature inside his pocket watch (as in The Family Blood); it suddenly opens up and Barty Crouch is revealed to be The Tenth Doctor
Considering that JKR, during a bout of depression, considered offing Ron mid-way through the series, I think she would have written another way for Harry to survive the dive into the lake to retrieve the sword of Gryffindor. Dumbledore obviously foresaw that Ron would falter, that is why he bequeathed the Deluminator to Ron; if he thought Ron would leave and not go back, he would not have done that.
Well if he died but then came back to life he would still be in the lake and drown again because of the horcrux. But that's even if drowning could destroy the part of Voldemort's soul inside Harry in the first place.
No because when Harry died in the forest from a killing curse he was given the choice to move on or come back and fight because only part of Voldemort's soul was destroyed.
What if harry had used the sword to escape the lake even though Ron never came back? The hilt of the sword would be enough to break through the inch or so of ice that was on the lake, Harry’s hand couldn’t do it because hands aren’t hard, but the sword on the other hand, plus we know snape was there, and it was his mission to help Harry, so wouldn’t he have saved Harry if he hadn’t seen room coming through the forest
I think someone would save him in the lake. Honestly because snapes doe was there. He wouldn't just watch him die. He would save him and disappear. Good video that's my opinion
To be honest without Ron Harry wouldn’t be much of a hero the only reason Harry has made it this far is because of Ron. If they never Harry would just mind his own business or end up getting killed.
Not true cause snape would have seen something wrong and helped harry considering it was his patronus Plus I don't think a horcrox would be destroyed so easily
Ahem! Ron did encounter snatchers, got one of their wands, did not lose his own wand and Apparated away to Shell cottage. By other words, HE OVERPOWERED THE SNATCHERS. Read the 7th book once and you'll remember that...
Do you think Hermione, being such a smart witch, could of found a way to bring back her parents memories of her, after she erased them? Time turner perhaps?
This just goes to show how many minor things could send the entire rest of the events of a such a good story and plot for anything, books, movies, shows, games, anything, in the complete and opposite direction even if the thing in question doesn't seem like such an important piece to things happening as they do. Seeing that moment when Ron leaves, it doesn't seem like such a big deal, at least in comparison to other things that have happened and were happening. But when you look into it deeper, even something as minor as that, could so easily drastically change the entire outcome of the plot and story in ways one couldn't even begin to comprehend and fathom, at least while they are going on. Such is the masterpiece of any good story or plot in a book, show, movie, game, whatever it is in question at the time. It always has massive importance in even the slightest and most minor of events. Even the smallest of events could alter the entire course of the very plot itself without the one reading/watching/playing ever being aware of it to begin with if they were to happen differently. This is just one of the many things that makes Harry Potter so damn good.
I think Harry wouldn't have died in the lake because i personally believe Professor Snape was around until he was certain Harry wasn't alone. It's even mentioned that Ron thought he saw someone but the fact Harry was in danger made Ron ignore that and safe Harry and when Harry looks through Snape's memories Snape is watching him follow his Patronus so he was for sure around and i really believe he would have lingered until he was sure his succeeded in what Dumbledore told him to do. Completing his goal/Task was very important to Snape who is a very calculated person who wants to be in control of their own plans and considering he saw Harry as nothing but an idiotic dunderhead he wouldn't have put the sword in the Lake just to sit back and hope for the best when it came to Harry retrieving it (Which for people who didn't know you need to retrieve the sword under brave circumstances) Snape doesn't seem like the kind of person who would risk it at that point and i think he was lingering around until he saw Dunderhead #2 aka Ron show up and was like ok they can figure it out themselves now. So if Ron hadn't shown up Snape would have likely helped Harry somehow in a way that would allow him to remain hidden but still make sure Harry survived.
Snape would have intimated Hermione to Harry’s location without revealing himself. Remember Harry thinking ‘Hermione was here again saving him, just like she had saved him in Godric’s Hollow..’ These were his exact words, his last thoughts so to speak. And then when she did, they would have kissed in the Forest of Dean sorrounded by all the vastness and snow. And Harry Potter and Hermione Granger would finally be together.
Why would they suddenly kiss bruh when Hermione is crying over Ron and Harry is crying over Ginny. Just because Ron does'nt come back doesn't mean they would end up together. Hermione would have found another man and Harry would have ended up with Ginny
The thing is you are forgetting that Voldemort's destruction was prophecized. Voldemort was MEANT to be destroyed when he was. So if Ron had not chosen to come back, then something else would have happened to save Harry at the key moment. Hermione might have woken up in time to go check on him and save him. To quote Obi-Wan Kenobi, "you cannot escape your destiny".
hi. this wouldnt be a theory but could you do suggestions for what would happen if james or lily survived and raised harry? james could have just been knocked out or stunned and lily could have apparaited out when james told her to run. i think, while being protective, james might try and be 'father of the boy who lived' sense he is used to the spotlight, he would defeand sirius but might throw remus under the bus. lily on the other hand might become over-protective of harry, possably retreating into the muggle world out of fear. sirius would still go to askaban. please consider i think its intresting
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Hey bro love all your videos, a video idea. Not sure if you've seen Fantastic Beasts and where to find them but "What would of happened if Newt Scamander hadn't revealed Grindelwald as Graves in diguise"
A lot of people have already written these two things, but I definitely do feel that either Snape would have saved Harry, or the horcrux in Harry would have died, sending Harry to the "King's Cross" scene early, and not actually killing Harry himself. Do an updated video on this!
I think the story might have been written differently. Mabey Harry would've taken the locket off first. And then got the sword without drowning. I'm more curious about what could've happened after that. For example Would Harry still save the world? And what might happen relationship wise between Harry and Hermione?
I would be interested to hear your opinion on what Voldy says to his death eaters when he first returns in the graveyard, when he gets to the gap in the circle and notes 6 are missing. He says something like 3 are dead, 1 is a coward, 1 is loyal and already following his commands at Hogwarts, and 1 he believes has betrayed him. I've seen a few threads online about it, with different opinions as to the identity of the missing death eaters, but I'd love to hear your take. Keep the videos coming. Much love, from Australia. xxoo
I think that if Ron didn't save harry in the lake, Snape would as he sent the patronus, he would do this knowing that Voldemort had to be the one to kill harry, not him drowning in a river in the woods.
Even if Snape would've saved Harry somehow. Harry still would've mentioned Voldemort and both him and Hermione would've been captured by death eaters. Harry wouldn't have known where to go and wouldn't have been able to save Hermione alone.
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And Umbridge. And maybe the Dursley's? Actually nevermind the Dursley's wouldn't have disliked. I remember in the book, Harry made peace with his Aunt, Uncle and Cousin the last time he saw them. I love the way that, though all 3 of them were downright bullies to Harry, they still said a proper goodbye when they knew they probably wouldn't see him ever again.
AND Harry and Hermione would have DEFINITELY ended up together. If Ron never went back, I would have been really sad bc they've known each other from the start. And tbh, best friends are like family so he would have made it back to them anyway.
Harry couldn't be killed as long as the Horcrux inside him was intact. Harry would simply have passed out and then awakened underwater and come to the surface. No way can a Horcrux be drowned so Harry would have survived. Remember that Voldemort's rebounding death curse when Harry was a baby destroyed his body, but his soul was still tied to earth by the other Horcruxes so he remained even without a body. The Horcrux in Harry wouldn't even be damaged by so simple a death as by drowning or strangulation. So the Horcrux inside Harry would be completely intact as would the locket. By using Harry's blood to resurrect himself, Voldemort tied his fate ever more firmly to Harry's. So long as Voldemort himself was alive, Harry would survive. That's why Dumbledore wanted to arrange for Voldemort himself to kill Harry. Only that way could the connection (Horcrux) between them that tied both to the mortal earth be destroyed. And only then could Voldemort himself be killed.
If Ron didn't came back to Harry and Hermione, he would most likely be their ex-friend, like losing contact, never seeing or calling each other, and never reconcile
I have a better idea: Snape or Hermione saves Harry. Harry doesn't die. Ron's absence still changes a lot of things like the Battle of Hogwarts, the Gringotts break-in, etc.
then Harry becomes a worse version of Neville after his parents are tortured into insanity while Neville becomes a worse version of Harry with a domineering aunt who believes hes a squib
Neville Longbottom and The Philospher stone? And btw Voldemort would never choose Neville over Harry and there is a reason that I have no energy to explain 😂😂😂
should have happened Ron and Hermione are as opposite as you can get, plus with Harry and Ginny when the hell did that become a thing they never spent any time together i still think Harry and Hermione should have been together
We know what 'happened' and that Ron saved Harry, but I don't think that anyone would hold Ron responsible when he wouldn't have been there and Harry would've died!! I don't think it would be that easy to blame it all on Ron, Harry didn't wake Hermione for example, she would've been able to save Harry as well if he'd let her.
I would also like to point out that it was Ron who remembered the sound Harry used to open the Chamber of Secrets to fetch the basilisk tooth that he and Hermione used to destroy Helga's cup.
No. Snape wouldn't let Harry drown, he'd wait til he was unconscious and pull him out, he would have probably expected this to happen had Ron not saved him first.
In the books Hermione kept in touch with Victor Krum which Ron wasn't too happy about. Maybe if Ron didn't go back or came back too late to rescue Harry then she may never have forgave Ron and set out to find Victor Krum. She would have nothing left to keep her where she was.
I have started a fic where Dudley joins Harry and Hermione the night Ron leaves after a fight with Vernon. With the help a signet ring from Dumbledore, Dudley finds Harry and Hermione. He breaks the ice to get Harry out of the pond. Dudley destroys Slytherin's locket. Ron rejoins them at Shell Cottage. All four fight in the Battle of Hogwarts, Dudley with a firearm. There Dudley finds his angry Dad shooting Death Eaters with a firearm. Dudley and Vernon save Remus and Tonks.... I'll put it on ff.net one of these days. My sister quite liked the story.
I think the weasleys wouldn't have helped Harry out as they would have seen it as Harry's fault. Hermione wouldn't have been in contact with Ron and would have tried to forget about Ron, fail but always keep him in memory as a bad person rather than someone she loved. Voldermort would have come back to power and killed Harry if he wasn't dead already. He would have killed everyone who helped Harry, but Hermione would be able to hide out somewhere but she wouldn't have helped Ron or his family and would have ended up marrying someone else.
Personally seeing how Severus Snape's patrones showed Harry were the Hocrux was.. I think Severus would have saved him. It might if that was discovered, Severus would have died. And many more students would have died to.
Yeah. What if Ron was angry with them for a long time? Would he separate from them forever? What if their friendship was completely over? True. If Ron hadn't have returned, Harry would have drowned in that lake, to his death, losing his life there and then. And their mission wouldn't have been accomplished the way it was supposed to.
Yeah, thank god he returned to them! I mean, he'd probably end up killing HIMSELF when he found out that Harry drowned because Ron didn't come back to them. (Edit) after reading some more comments, I realised that Snape was there (I didn't know that because I haven't got to that book and haven't seen any of the films in AGES) so Harry wouldn't have died. Thank goodness! Even though I'm in Ravenclaw, my fav character is Harry. (And IF I had a celebrity crush, which I don't because I already have a boyfriend, it would be Daniel Radcliffe :3)
Hmm... Nah, I don't think Snape would have sat back with some snacks and watched Harry death like a mildly entertaining TV show. Even if he'd be a good enough wizard to use long-range Patronuses, I find it more likely that he was nearby just in case Harry had trouble reaching the sword.
HARRY WOULDN'T HAVE DIED, THE HORCRUX IN HIM WOULD LEAVE, AND HARRY WOULD SERVIVE. THE EFFECT WOULD BE HARRY NOT GOING TO THE FOREST AND INSTED WATING AT HOGWARTS, THEN MAKING VOLDE COME TO HIM WERE HE WOULD BE WAITING WERE VOLDEMORT CAST THE EXPLOSION SPELL, REVILING HIM SELF AT THE SAME MOMENT HE DID AND ALL WOULD BE THE SAME, EXEPT THE HORCRUXES WOULD NEED MORE FINDING TIME, THATS ALL.
Harry would’ve came back to life because the charm that his mom gave him before she died would save him until he is 17 and since aunt petunia has that same blood as lily potter Harry lives for another 17 years and on and on
What if James Potter dying to save his wife and son has caused the same protection enchants on Lilly and Harry, as what were put in place when Lilly died for Harry?
For some reason I wish he didn't come back. But some fans like his character and how he treats Hermione. Of course it's that approach if he treats Hermione badly then he loves her.
I agree it highly likely Harry would have drowned unless there was more protecting him. Yet I actually almost drowned once. I made a LOT of noise and that is what got me discovered and pulled out, making it possible he would have been heard by Hermione before he died. Nonetheless, do you think it possible Hermione would have looked to Neville for help? Would Harry as a ghost tried to help? I wonder if Hermione would have pulled the sword herself, since if she did not find Harry in time she would have figured out why he died and perhaps find herself able to get it and destroy at least the necklace herself. There are a lot of ways the story could have gone with this one detail removed. Your scenario seems credible and plausible.
I wonder, what would happened if Harry had met and befriended Hermione on the 1st September on their first year rather than met Ron and the Weasleys until after sorting, how is that would impact on his friendship with Ron and the Weasleys?
It would'nt really change much but I doubt Harry would be friends with Hermione at that time because when he first met her he thought she acted like a know it all
How can you ignore the fact that Severus Snape was hiding behind the trees when Ron dived in to save Harry from drowning? Ron even mentioned he thought he saw someone move there but was more concerned in saving Harry. Would Snape just have let Harry drown after all he and Dumbledore had planed? I do not think so..
Did he stay the whole time? I wasn't sure. Ron showing up could prompt him to leave. And if he didn't reveal himself (bad idea given Harry's scar) he could have alerted Hermione to find Harry.
Lisa Kazmier Hermione wouldn't have trusted him, remembers everyone thought he was evil at that time. She would've thought of it as a trap. Also, how could he have found Hermione? The enchantments kept anyone who wasn't welcome...out. Ron said he couldn't find them after he left.
Sirius Black He would have had to alert her without revealing who he was, perhaps a noise or disguise. Even if Hermione knew and did act, she could inform Harry later. He would have to act in stealth either way.
Couldn't he have sent it from long distance?
I agree. Snape would have saved him. He could have used levicorpus (remember, he INVENTED that spell) to get him out of the water without even necessarily revealing himself.
I think Snape would have saved Harry from the lake since set the whole thing up and probably hung around to make sure he figured it out.
so result is Harry either A. kills snape after snape saves him B. snape saves Harry and they find out snapes not such a bad guy after all early meaning they can plan with snape how to take down voldemort even means Harry might find out hes a horcrux earlier than before
It's more likely he'd save him and then stun him before he could see It's Snape, leaving him and the sword near the camp. That way, Voldemort wouldn't know it was Snape if he peered into Harry's mind with the connection they share.
@@rocksnrolls yes I think that makes more sense
Are we forgetting Harry couldn't die as long as Voldemort was alive? He would wake up at the bottom of the lake, remove the locket and return to the top (though it would have been very difficult)
I think Snape noticed Ron was there looking for Harry and Hermione at the time and that's why he left. If Ron hadn't been there Snape would've saved Harry
yep Ron was actually following Harry who was following the doe that snape was controlling from behind a tree at the edge of the clearing this answer needs re-thinking
Yes that's true
What If Ron Join Voldemort after leaving Harry and Hemione I'm betting its going to be epic
Please do 'what if Harry accepted draco's friend request in year 1'
Domestos Bleach no he didn't do that one yet, but I understand the confusion because he did 'why did draco offer Harry his friendship?' but i want to know what happened if they actually became friends.
they probably wouldn't become friends in the way Harry and Ron became friends. I doubt Draco was interested in a friend of equal stature but more so another lackey like Crabbe and Goyle with the kicker being that Harry is pretty famous so it will make Malfoy look better so to speak...anyways, that kind of friendship would probably not sit well with Harry and the fact that he is famous and would get more attention than Malfoy would probably start to form the cracks that would end the friendship. Malfoy would probably start to bully him 3 on 1 to kind of get back it him for stealing the attention that he thinks he deserves. Snape obviously would probably do nothing considering he will see this as karma for all the times James and his Marauders outnumbered him
It would be a pretty shitty situation now for Harry. He would have no real friends and the life he thought he could have outside of Privet Drive ends up turning into something worse. His hopes completely shared and his ability to love going along with it, thus losing his greatest power over Voldemort. Voldemort would ultimately be able to finish off Harry Potter.
so yeah, it's why Ron is incredibly important in the grand scheme of things. Other than his parents, the greatest source of love in Harry's life comes from his friendship Ron. Everything good in his life kind of stems from it. He was basically adopted by the Weasley's and began to experience what it is liked to be in a loving family home, and all the while he is just building up that ultimate power of love.
twentyonefallouthoizonsatthedisco Then Harry and Hermione would have died in the first year read the following explanation if you would like to understand
Harry meets Ron on the train and they become friends. When Draco comes and offers his friendship to Harry and he (Harry) accepts it(according to the comment not the book) he would have destroyed the friendship between him and Ron because he chose Draco MALFOY over Ron WEASLEY and there is venomous hatred between the two blood lines. Though Harry accepted Draco's friendship it wouldn't last long as he would have been sorted in to Gryffindor and Draco in to Slytherin. Now keeping in mid that Ron isn't is friend if we look back to the time when Harry had faced the troll in the bathroom when he went looking for Hermione we will remember that it was Ron had used Wingardium Leviossa and defeated the troll. If we exclude Ron from the picture Hermione who was to dumbstruck to do anything would have just sat there and watched as the troll swung his club everywhere after being extremely angered at having Harry stick his wand up his nose would have ultimately thwarted Harry. And then the troll would move on and kill Hermione. Hope you liked the explanation and your doubts are gone and if you or anybody else did not like it just ignore it don't leave in the hate.😀😀👍👍
mohammad baig Don't you think Harry would've been sorted into Slytherin if he actually chose to be Draco's friend?
mohammad baig cool theory, but Harry would end up in slytherin - he would have gone there for not the fact that he asked to be in gryffindor
Take into consideration, Snape would have had to be there to cast the Patronus, and I doubt that he would just leave without ensuring Harry got the sword. I think it's likely Snape would have broken the ice or done something to help Harry without revealing himself.
Also, if ron was gon and never came back, hermione&harry will never know the name of voldemort was taboo and anything from the secret radio
Good video:) But I don't think that Harry would have died if Ron didn't return though. Snape would probably have saved him as he was secretly hiding behind the trees and Harry has that luck of not dying. Even if he died, he may have returned back to life as only the hocrux part of him may have been killed.
Tasha9313 I agree with the first part. SNAPE would have saved Harry.
But Harry wouldn't have lived otherwise. U see the horcrux part would have died only if VOLDEMORT put the killing curse. Otherwise before others and for other causes he was just any normal Wizard. VOLDEMORT couldn't kill him because his blood in VOLDEMORT's body was magically keeping Lily's protection alive and thereby preventing VOLDEMORT's wand being fatal to Harry.
Also it was that VOLDEMORT's wand was recognizing it's master inside Harry which VOLDEMORT never knew of. :)
@Nandakishore N Oh ya, you're right:) I forgot that hocruxes can't be killed under normal circumstances.
Tasha9313 Actually that's not what I said.
I said Harry could have died in any normal circumstances or could have been killed by anyone.
Nevertheless, in a duel with anybody else, even if Harry failed, the VOLDEMORT's soul would have cast some spell to save Harry just like during SEVEN POTTERS. :)
I'm sorry if I misunderstood what you said. I agree with you. Harry could have died under normal circumstances.
Tasha9313 at that point he was the master of death so he would have survived even if he were not a horcrux
Ron also helped Harry in the first movie in the game of wizard's chess!
What did he do? Just made the easy way out by letting himself knocked out,and letting Harry do the entire work.
Душан Радин Ron the one that made the entire strategy of the game.
He's the one callingout all the command.
Endgame was to let himself be defeated to let Harry get the king!
Remember! The first move he made! When the pawn was destroyed. He thought the same would happen to them!
I suggest you re-watch it!
Душан Радин he is better at wizarding chess than Harry. it doesnt really show in the movies. he us the one deciding every move. others are just follwing his instructions.
Wow,what an acomplishment in life1 Now i can sleep better,knowing that! Thank you Captain Obvious.Altough i dont see him as the one to decide anything,he cant decide what to put in his own mouth next,or when he should shut the fuck up,and stop beeing useless piece of shit. Hermione is main strategis/planner/brain,Harry is the leader/muscle,Ron??..hes a fucking joke!
Душан Радин WOW! You're taking this was to seriously!
I reuploaded this video and removed the previous one due to overlapping audio.. thank you for your patience everyone :)
But Snape was also hidden there, he wouldn'r allow the son of his beloved to die. So NO Ron does not play any big role at all.
Nice thanks for reuploading the video, i was going to ask you if you could do my what if next and then i thought of something, did Harry get a 2nd scar on his body somewhere when Voldemort hit him with the killing curse in the forbidden forest in HP7?
Harry Potter Folklore it's ok the videos are still awesome! keep up the good work!
I agree with Todor Todorov, Harry couldn't drown. Tho no, Snape wasn't there, he simply send the patronus to Harry, but ultimately something else would have came up. So the only question is, could Harry and Hermione got together instead if her and loser ginger?
Harry Potter Folklore Thanks for responding to me a little while ago Please do my idea I always say this to you what if Harry Potter was destined for a different wand thanks! :)
Hermione would´ve tried to drop Voldemort anyway, somehow, maybe going into dark side to have a chance. So responsible type person as Hermione, would´ve been grief-stricken for Harry, and heartbroken because of Ron, I can easily see her going singlemindedly after Voldemort, take it 10 years or 100 years, maybe organizing so sort of resistance underground, and with time passing, going more dark and desperate, making her eventually quite brutal. Maybe she would´ve gathered possible allies, including Krum, and determined to get revenge, using Krum as a blunt instrument of destruction, eventually falling in love with him, or pretending to, in order to motivate him. Or maybe, engulfed by anger, just played Krum or some other capable but not very bright wizard, marrying for vengeance, so to say. If surviving long enough, maybe even challenging Voldemort eventually...
The story would've a very dark turn without Ron.
i dont think snape would have let Harry drown.he was watching Harry all this time
Please do "What if Hermione left with Ron"
It doesn't require a video. I don't believe that Hermione would have done that.
@@klaudiagrob yeah she made a promise and she would never break this promise like she said *We are in this together *
It would be an interesting scenario
I think that if Ron didn't come back to save Harry then Snape would've somehow *anonymously* saved Harry. I'm not sure how, but maybe he would cast a spell to instantly melt all the ice and use "ascendo" on Harry to make him come and jump out of the water and onto the dry land.
What if hermione chose Harry
It must be
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Nu.
Draco x Hermione forevs
In our dreams
Then my dreams would’ve came true
I probably would have been a more satisfying ending
I feel so sorry for Ron, in the Goblet of Fire he basically told Harry how he felt about being the sidekick
The Ice Queen Ron does nothing to better himself
And harry made it all about himself
You can do what if rob and Harry never saved hermione from the troll on the first book
They would all probably be dead. Hermione would have been killed by the troll, and Ron and Harry would have died in the Devil's Snare.
MasterOfAura lololololololololololol
Nyan Kitty Ron*
*Ron
Then she would die. It doesn't require a video.
I still remember reading this chapter for the first time way back then, and how I was Done with Ron after he left.
I was like, I don't care if he comes back, that's Way too many times he's failed his friends.
Thank God for Hermione, otherwise Harry would've died a few days later.
And That's why Ron and Hermione shouldn't be together.
I think Ron's character was always sold short. Impact he has had on Harry over the last seven years of their schooling is more than just significant. Offering Harry a true family literally sharing his parents with him, saving both his and her my knees arses on the chessboard, as a start. He has always been literally the glue that held them three together. I think it's quite sad really
Her my knees? 😂😂😂😂😂
OMG what if Dudley turned out to be a wizard!! Image that!!
ToastedCheese I've tried a ff for that.
Unspeakable!
"Yer a wizard Dudley"
I'm not so sure Hermione would choose to never speak to Ron again, but Ron's own guilt would destroy their relationship. Even if Hermione forgave Ron (something I think would have been likely based on her character) Ron would be reminded that he let Harry down every time he saw her.
Knowing that his actions led to Harry's death would cause a guilt so intense it would have eventually destroyed him.
Had Harry died, I think Hermione would have fled to Australia to rejoin her parents and go into hiding with them.
Ron would not have bothered going into hiding, and if Voldermort didn't kill him he would have killed himself. Even his own family would have reminded him of his guilt, because they would have all died for Harry without hesitation.
Ron already had major self esteem issues. The guilt over having failed his best mate would have surely destroyed him.
Here’s what I think would have happened:
1) Snape would have saved Harry, following Dumbledore’s final orders. He would have alerted Hermione so that she could find and look after him, covering up the fact that Snape was always on their side.
2) While Harry was recovering, Hermione would realize her true feelings for Harry- never able to forgive Ron for leaving them when they needed him most.
3) they would find the rest of the horcruxes- but once they arrived at Hogwarts Ginny would grow angry that Ron wasn’t there, not to mention that Harry had moved on with Hermione.
4) I think that after the battle Ron might be outcasted from his family, but I also don’t think the relationship between Harry and the Weasley family would ever be the same. I don’t think Mrs. Weasley would ever forgive Harry for not going after Ron and ensuring his safety. Not to mention the added slight to both her youngest children now that Harry and Hermione are a couple.
5) Harry and Hermione get married, but neither ever speak to Ron again.
Facts
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Ron's only contributions were in the first two films/books and the last one was giving Harry a loving family; I think after the second film he could have just clocked out and Hermione and Harry would have been fine.
Sugestion: What if Serious Black never came and looked for Pettygrow? Had Harry never reunied with his godfather? Had Pettgrow never helped Voldemort return, and had Voldemort never taken Harrys blood and mad him invineble for Voldemort to kill???
Which is when Neville Longbottom steps up as the Chosen One, finds the Horcruxes and kills Voldemort....
somehow... 😜
i have to point out snape was there in the clearing and ready to step in he was in fact about to step in when he saw Ron run to the pool
Upon learning Harry had died in the forest of Dean a fact the Death Eaters made glory to publicize Ron became a pariah within his family. Making the prior rift between his brother Percy and the rest of the family look like a small spat by comparison. Ginny especially never spoke to her brother again, only Bill and Molly attempted to remain cordial with the youngest Weasley boy but when Voldemort destroyed the remains of the Order by April of '98 including the rest of the Weasley's Ron launched himself at Voldemort in a suicidal attempt which Voldemort just flicked off.
If Ron didn’t return, I imagine that he would be caught by death eaters or something and either die or be captured and tortured into insanity like the Longbottoms maybe? Snape would save Harry from the lake, Mrs. Weasley would be much more aggressive with bellatrix killing her first try after losing 2 sons and almost a daughter.
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what if Barty Crouch Jr really turned out to be a Time Lord; having made previously hidden his Gallifreyan nature inside his pocket watch (as in The Family Blood); it suddenly opens up and Barty Crouch is revealed to be The Tenth Doctor
Wow it really does make you think great video as always xx
Considering that JKR, during a bout of depression, considered offing Ron mid-way through the series, I think she would have written another way for Harry to survive the dive into the lake to retrieve the sword of Gryffindor. Dumbledore obviously foresaw that Ron would falter, that is why he bequeathed the Deluminator to Ron; if he thought Ron would leave and not go back, he would not have done that.
Can someone explain to me what would have happened to the Horcrux inside of Harry if he had drowned?
currently working on it :)
Well if he died but then came back to life he would still be in the lake and drown again because of the horcrux. But that's even if drowning could destroy the part of Voldemort's soul inside Harry in the first place.
SuperZombieBros but wouldn't Harry need resurrection stone to come back to life?
No because when Harry died in the forest from a killing curse he was given the choice to move on or come back and fight because only part of Voldemort's soul was destroyed.
SuperZombieBros oh.. so resurrection stone is useless
What if harry had used the sword to escape the lake even though Ron never came back? The hilt of the sword would be enough to break through the inch or so of ice that was on the lake, Harry’s hand couldn’t do it because hands aren’t hard, but the sword on the other hand, plus we know snape was there, and it was his mission to help Harry, so wouldn’t he have saved Harry if he hadn’t seen room coming through the forest
I think someone would save him in the lake. Honestly because snapes doe was there. He wouldn't just watch him die. He would save him and disappear. Good video that's my opinion
To be honest without Ron Harry wouldn’t be much of a hero the only reason Harry has made it this far is because of Ron. If they never Harry would just mind his own business or end up getting killed.
Not true cause snape would have seen something wrong and helped harry considering it was his patronus
Plus I don't think a horcrox would be destroyed so easily
Ahem! Ron did encounter snatchers, got one of their wands, did not lose his own wand and Apparated away to Shell cottage. By other words, HE OVERPOWERED THE SNATCHERS. Read the 7th book once and you'll remember that...
Do you think Hermione, being such a smart witch, could of found a way to bring back her parents memories of her, after she erased them? Time turner perhaps?
Great video :D
This just goes to show how many minor things could send the entire rest of the events of a such a good story and plot for anything, books, movies, shows, games, anything, in the complete and opposite direction even if the thing in question doesn't seem like such an important piece to things happening as they do. Seeing that moment when Ron leaves, it doesn't seem like such a big deal, at least in comparison to other things that have happened and were happening. But when you look into it deeper, even something as minor as that, could so easily drastically change the entire outcome of the plot and story in ways one couldn't even begin to comprehend and fathom, at least while they are going on. Such is the masterpiece of any good story or plot in a book, show, movie, game, whatever it is in question at the time. It always has massive importance in even the slightest and most minor of events. Even the smallest of events could alter the entire course of the very plot itself without the one reading/watching/playing ever being aware of it to begin with if they were to happen differently. This is just one of the many things that makes Harry Potter so damn good.
Also, love your videos.
Your conclusion sounds plausible and I really appreciate the time you take to give us more insight into the world of HP 🙂
I think Harry wouldn't have died in the lake because i personally
believe Professor Snape was around until he was certain Harry wasn't
alone. It's even mentioned that Ron thought he saw someone but the fact
Harry was in danger made Ron ignore that and safe Harry and when Harry
looks through Snape's memories Snape is watching him follow his Patronus
so he was for sure around and i really believe he would have lingered
until he was sure his succeeded in what Dumbledore told him to do.
Completing his goal/Task was very important to Snape who is a very
calculated person who wants to be in control of their own plans and
considering he saw Harry as nothing but an idiotic dunderhead he
wouldn't have put the sword in the Lake just to sit back and hope for
the best when it came to Harry retrieving it (Which for people who
didn't know you need to retrieve the sword under brave circumstances)
Snape doesn't seem like the kind of person who would risk it at that
point and i think he was lingering around until he saw Dunderhead #2 aka
Ron show up and was like ok they can figure it out themselves now. So
if Ron hadn't shown up Snape would have likely helped Harry somehow in a
way that would allow him to remain hidden but still make sure Harry
survived.
Snape would have intimated Hermione to Harry’s location without revealing himself. Remember Harry thinking ‘Hermione was here again saving him, just like she had saved him in Godric’s Hollow..’ These were his exact words, his last thoughts so to speak. And then when she did, they would have kissed in the Forest of Dean sorrounded by all the vastness and snow. And Harry Potter and Hermione Granger would finally be together.
Why would they suddenly kiss bruh when Hermione is crying over Ron and Harry is crying over Ginny. Just because Ron does'nt come back doesn't mean they would end up together. Hermione would have found another man and Harry would have ended up with Ginny
What if Voldemort discovered that Harry was a Horcrux? Either before he came into the forest or shortly after his return to power.
+CornishCreamtea07 love this!!! You win! Idea picked :)
The thing is you are forgetting that Voldemort's destruction was prophecized. Voldemort was MEANT to be destroyed when he was. So if Ron had not chosen to come back, then something else would have happened to save Harry at the key moment. Hermione might have woken up in time to go check on him and save him.
To quote Obi-Wan Kenobi, "you cannot escape your destiny".
hi. this wouldnt be a theory but could you do suggestions for what would happen if james or lily survived and raised harry? james could have just been knocked out or stunned and lily could have apparaited out when james told her to run.
i think, while being protective, james might try and be 'father of the boy who lived' sense he is used to the spotlight, he would defeand sirius but might throw remus under the bus. lily on the other hand might become over-protective of harry, possably retreating into the muggle world out of fear. sirius would still go to askaban. please consider i think its intresting
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Frank Myers nicely said friend, nicely said ♥️
Luna Cairns be sarcastic and say waiting for all the "first comments"
Hey bro love all your videos, a video idea. Not sure if you've seen Fantastic Beasts and where to find them but "What would of happened if Newt Scamander hadn't revealed Grindelwald as Graves in diguise"
A lot of people have already written these two things, but I definitely do feel that either Snape would have saved Harry, or the horcrux in Harry would have died, sending Harry to the "King's Cross" scene early, and not actually killing Harry himself. Do an updated video on this!
I think the story might have been written differently. Mabey Harry would've taken the locket off first. And then got the sword without drowning. I'm more curious about what could've happened after that. For example Would Harry still save the world? And what might happen relationship wise between Harry and Hermione?
I'm pretty sure Hermione would move on and marry someone else and Harry would marry Ginny
Snape obviously cast the patrons that led Harry to the sword of gryffindor, he would have saved Harry from drowning...
I would be interested to hear your opinion on what Voldy says to his death eaters when he first returns in the graveyard, when he gets to the gap in the circle and notes 6 are missing. He says something like 3 are dead, 1 is a coward, 1 is loyal and already following his commands at Hogwarts, and 1 he believes has betrayed him.
I've seen a few threads online about it, with different opinions as to the identity of the missing death eaters, but I'd love to hear your take.
Keep the videos coming. Much love, from Australia. xxoo
That still at 2:55 is heart breaking and beautiful. Can you please give me the full HD still of that picture please. Anyway great video!
I think that if Ron didn't save harry in the lake, Snape would as he sent the patronus, he would do this knowing that Voldemort had to be the one to kill harry, not him drowning in a river in the woods.
Even if Snape would've saved Harry somehow. Harry still would've mentioned Voldemort and both him and Hermione would've been captured by death eaters. Harry wouldn't have known where to go and wouldn't have been able to save Hermione alone.
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Voldemort and 47 death eaters disliked this video
And Umbridge. And maybe the Dursley's?
Actually nevermind the Dursley's wouldn't have disliked. I remember in the book, Harry made peace with his Aunt, Uncle and Cousin the last time he saw them. I love the way that, though all 3 of them were downright bullies to Harry, they still said a proper goodbye when they knew they probably wouldn't see him ever again.
AND Harry and Hermione would have DEFINITELY ended up together. If Ron never went back, I would have been really sad bc they've known each other from the start. And tbh, best friends are like family so he would have made it back to them anyway.
Ron is a nice charater 😍😍
I love him
Harry couldn't be killed as long as the Horcrux inside him was intact. Harry would simply have passed out and then awakened underwater and come to the surface. No way can a Horcrux be drowned so Harry would have survived. Remember that Voldemort's rebounding death curse when Harry was a baby destroyed his body, but his soul was still tied to earth by the other Horcruxes so he remained even without a body.
The Horcrux in Harry wouldn't even be damaged by so simple a death as by drowning or strangulation. So the Horcrux inside Harry would be completely intact as would the locket. By using Harry's blood to resurrect himself, Voldemort tied his fate ever more firmly to Harry's. So long as Voldemort himself was alive, Harry would survive. That's why Dumbledore wanted to arrange for Voldemort himself to kill Harry. Only that way could the connection (Horcrux) between them that tied both to the mortal earth be destroyed. And only then could Voldemort himself be killed.
Maybe what if Harry wasn't the chosen one for your next video
If Ron didn't came back to Harry and Hermione, he would most likely be their ex-friend, like losing contact, never seeing or calling each other, and never reconcile
I have a better idea: Snape or Hermione saves Harry. Harry doesn't die.
Ron's absence still changes a lot of things like the Battle of Hogwarts, the Gringotts break-in, etc.
What if Voldemort choose Neville over Harry?
then Harry becomes a worse version of Neville after his parents are tortured into insanity while Neville becomes a worse version of Harry with a domineering aunt who believes hes a squib
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Neville isnt born at the end of july...key point in why voldemort went for harry....
he is?
Neville Longbottom and The Philospher stone? And btw Voldemort would never choose Neville over Harry and there is a reason that I have no energy to explain 😂😂😂
I feel like Harmione would possibly would've happened
Cyrlles Crazy Cat Lady just because Ron ran away it does not mean Harry stopped loving Ginny
It's still a possibility though. Hermione stands by Harry during the darkest of time. Now think about Ginny, so....
Cyrlles Crazy Cat Lady yes！！！
I'm actually writing a story following that idea ❤️
should have happened Ron and Hermione are as opposite as you can get, plus with Harry and Ginny when the hell did that become a thing they never spent any time together i still think Harry and Hermione should have been together
We know what 'happened' and that Ron saved Harry, but I don't think that anyone would hold Ron responsible when he wouldn't have been there and Harry would've died!! I don't think it would be that easy to blame it all on Ron, Harry didn't wake Hermione for example, she would've been able to save Harry as well if he'd let her.
I would also like to point out that it was Ron who remembered the sound Harry used to open the Chamber of Secrets to fetch the basilisk tooth that he and Hermione used to destroy Helga's cup.
No. Snape wouldn't let Harry drown, he'd wait til he was unconscious and pull him out, he would have probably expected this to happen had Ron not saved him first.
In the books Hermione kept in touch with Victor Krum which Ron wasn't too happy about. Maybe if Ron didn't go back or came back too late to rescue Harry then she may never have forgave Ron and set out to find Victor Krum. She would have nothing left to keep her where she was.
I have started a fic where Dudley joins Harry and Hermione the night Ron leaves after a fight with Vernon. With the help a signet ring from Dumbledore, Dudley finds Harry and Hermione. He breaks the ice to get Harry out of the pond. Dudley destroys Slytherin's locket. Ron rejoins them at Shell Cottage. All four fight in the Battle of Hogwarts, Dudley with a firearm. There Dudley finds his angry Dad shooting Death Eaters with a firearm. Dudley and Vernon save Remus and Tonks.... I'll put it on ff.net one of these days. My sister quite liked the story.
I don't know if you've already done this, but, what about an analogy of the flip side of this; what if Ron never left?
I think the weasleys wouldn't have helped Harry out as they would have seen it as Harry's fault.
Hermione wouldn't have been in contact with Ron and would have tried to forget about Ron, fail but always keep him in memory as a bad person rather than someone she loved.
Voldermort would have come back to power and killed Harry if he wasn't dead already. He would have killed everyone who helped Harry, but Hermione would be able to hide out somewhere but she wouldn't have helped Ron or his family and would have ended up marrying someone else.
Personally seeing how Severus Snape's patrones showed Harry were the Hocrux was.. I think Severus would have saved him. It might if that was discovered, Severus would have died. And many more students would have died to.
Yeah. What if Ron was angry with them for a long time? Would he separate from them forever? What if their friendship was completely over? True. If Ron hadn't have returned, Harry would have drowned in that lake, to his death, losing his life there and then. And their mission wouldn't have been accomplished the way it was supposed to.
Yeah, thank god he returned to them! I mean, he'd probably end up killing HIMSELF when he found out that Harry drowned because Ron didn't come back to them. (Edit) after reading some more comments, I realised that Snape was there (I didn't know that because I haven't got to that book and haven't seen any of the films in AGES) so Harry wouldn't have died. Thank goodness! Even though I'm in Ravenclaw, my fav character is Harry. (And IF I had a celebrity crush, which I don't because I already have a boyfriend, it would be Daniel Radcliffe :3)
Hmm... Nah, I don't think Snape would have sat back with some snacks and watched Harry death like a mildly entertaining TV show. Even if he'd be a good enough wizard to use long-range Patronuses, I find it more likely that he was nearby just in case Harry had trouble reaching the sword.
i have a question, if harry lost in the chamber of secrets by being poisoned by the basilisk, wouldn't the horcrux within him have been destroyed?
I don't think that Harry would have drowned if Ron had've come back because Snape who cast the Doe Patronus would have saved him
HARRY WOULDN'T HAVE DIED, THE HORCRUX IN HIM WOULD LEAVE, AND HARRY WOULD SERVIVE. THE EFFECT WOULD BE HARRY NOT GOING TO THE FOREST AND INSTED WATING AT HOGWARTS, THEN MAKING VOLDE COME TO HIM WERE HE WOULD BE WAITING WERE VOLDEMORT CAST THE EXPLOSION SPELL, REVILING HIM SELF AT THE SAME MOMENT HE DID AND ALL WOULD BE THE SAME, EXEPT THE HORCRUXES WOULD NEED MORE FINDING TIME, THATS ALL.
Snape would have saved Harry and Ron would get himself killed somehow, Hermione would probably go nuts
R.I.P. ron
He didn't abandon them in the Forest of Dean, he returned to them there
Hermione couldn’t have left with Ron. As a muggleborn, she was actually safer with Harry.
Harry couldn't drown... 'cuz Snape was at the Lake too...
And Snape saved Harry multiple times...
I think snape may have stepped in! I personally believed he was watching Harry trying to retrieve the sword
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I'm thankful that Ron came back
Harry would’ve came back to life because the charm that his mom gave him before she died would save him until he is 17 and since aunt petunia has that same blood as lily potter Harry lives for another 17 years and on and on
Ron was pretty much just a sidekick. His only role is to make Harry look better and more talented by association
What if James Potter dying to save his wife and son has caused the same protection enchants on Lilly and Harry, as what were put in place when Lilly died for Harry?
That comes down to saying that Ron's only role is to save Harry in that pond
LifeLoveDreamMusic yeah,no mention how it was RON who took the lead and continued the Horcrux hunt when Harry was obsessed with Hallows.
For some reason I wish he didn't come back. But some fans like his character and how he treats Hermione. Of course it's that approach if he treats Hermione badly then he loves her.
I'm sorry but when did ron treat her badly
I agree it highly likely Harry would have drowned unless there was more protecting him. Yet I actually almost drowned once. I made a LOT of noise and that is what got me discovered and pulled out, making it possible he would have been heard by Hermione before he died. Nonetheless, do you think it possible Hermione would have looked to Neville for help? Would Harry as a ghost tried to help? I wonder if Hermione would have pulled the sword herself, since if she did not find Harry in time she would have figured out why he died and perhaps find herself able to get it and destroy at least the necklace herself. There are a lot of ways the story could have gone with this one detail removed. Your scenario seems credible and plausible.
I wonder, what would happened if Harry had met and befriended Hermione on the 1st September on their first year rather than met Ron and the Weasleys until after sorting, how is that would impact on his friendship with Ron and the Weasleys?
It would'nt really change much but I doubt Harry would be friends with Hermione at that time because when he first met her he thought she acted like a know it all
Snap was around while harry was drowning he made that patronus which led ron to harry
Please make an intro it would make your vids so much better