Yeah. As a scientist it really pisses me off when dipshits who don’t know what we do, talk about what we do, and have no clue the amount of school required to get said science degree. Some of us can even get professional licenses on top of that degree, which includes more experience and tests. I don’t go into courts of law pretending to be more educated in the law than the lawyers in the room. Sorry. Eric triggered me.
I totally understand what you're saying, as a historian it always pisses me off when people like Hovind or Ham make the most ridiculous claims about our history while at the same time saying people who spend their life doing research are wrong. don`t these people know there is more to dating things than just looking at a tree or building and guessing?
I'm not a professional scientist and I only hold bachelors degrees, but as a scientifically literate layman, I appreciate and respect your profession. Your anger is definitely justified.
The cover picture they chose for the Grand Canyon Movie is the Horseshoe bend? THE Horseshoe bend?! The one that everyone brings up as an obvious geological feature that cannot be explained by fast moving water?! They decided to plaster that one full screen?? The lack of self awareness, omg.
Alternative explanation: they're psychopaths. Psychopaths enjoy playing with their victims. Like giving them warnings of what is about to come but which they cannot evade. They also enjoy "proving" themselves smarter than their victims by providing clues that their victims are too stupid to spot. Case in point: Joseph Smith gave many clues that his new religion was a scam. He had a prophet called Mormon, which is very similar to the word "moron." When they didn't figure out that clue he dropped another one with the angel Moroni (I pronounce it "moron-y"). And then the planet -bollocks- Kolob (too obvious if he spelled it bolox so he spelled it backwards). This could be more of the same. A full-on lie utilizing the very thing that proves it is a lie. What could be more psychopathic?
I notice Eric only mentioned live tree measurement. The long continuous record that includes rings from no longer living trees puts further paid to his assertion
So when Eric says "using the concept of multiple rings" what he's actually saying is "I'm going to assume that 600 rings are accountable through multiple-ring years based on nothing other than that's what I need to do to make the figures fit my assumptions". Got it.
As an archaeologist, I confirm that this video is a simple but accurate explanation of how it works. We indeed do not need a single old tree to make a dating sequence. Good video Paul.
As I understand it the bristlecone is the least of Eric's problems. There's the grove of quaking aspens in Utah that's 80,000 years old. I'd love to hear Eric explain (without relying on"uh no its not") how a tree is 13 times older then the universe.
Yeah, there are actually quite a few examples like that. Certain orchards or creosote rings can go back many tens of thousands of years. Not to mention ice core samples, radiometric dating, dendrochronology and everything else.
This is what I find so disappointing about my fellow Christians in the young earther camp. There are so many amazing things out there in real science. The idea that a grove of trees is a single living organism and that it predates even Sumer is amazing to me. There's something spiritual, for lack of a better word, in that imo something that transcends the numbers of its age. War, famine, death, civilizations rise and fall, entire species have gone extinct but trees continue to exist from before the dawn or our oldest civilization. Good science doesn't lessen our sense of wonder about the world around us it only deepens it.
The problem in debating a creationist and YES they are stupid by choice. They believe-- 1) the Bible is the complete word of God, it is without error and presents an accurate history of god’s dealing with his children on earth as well as how the world came to be. 2) when there is no evidence supporting #1; that’s OK because we trust in god fully. 3) in case the Bible is wrong refer to rule #1. They accept no evidence that differs from the Bible hence only they can change their minds, no evidence can weaken their faith. A video from an interview with a young guy holding a doctorate in Cosmology or Astronomy gave me the info above. I think it’s still on RUclips. With his education, he still accepts no data that does not support his Bible. Why do we debate these knuckleheads?
I'd agree on all 3 points. The Bible is a mix of parable, myth and history taking it as absolutely literal does it a disservice to me. Most Christians accept that science is the process of learning the principles of God's creation (hence why most of us accept the science) its sad that some people stick their heads in the sand and refuse to accept it. As for debating it probably because some do occasionally listen. Paulogia was a young earther once but an honest study of the science changed his mind.
lol- I've now got a mental image of Eric survival-ing in the wild, eating moss and berries, clad in nothing but his own shame- desperately trying to use a moose as an aerial. No, Eric- that's not a usb port.
"I heard people say that tree ring dating will disprove the Bible. I wanna know - is that true?" - NO, of course not, I have already decided it cannot be true. hahahahaha
I don't see how Eric could have possibly digged out those quote mines while not reading the thing. I guess that is the nail in the coffin as to the question if Eric Hovind is just ignorant or if he's dishonest.
mugogrog, Quote mining by definition is about as dishonest as one can get. Of course whoever performed the original quote mining did so to be dishonest. Eric ,if not the originator, is dishonest by not fact checking before using the mined quotes. That being said, anyone involved in performing or using mined quotes is by definition,...dishonest.
You're saying that Eric didn't do due diligence when researching & presenting a topic? You're saying that Eric took bits of information that may support his argument and kept quiet about the rest? Yes obviously you are because his video can be shown that that's what he did. Remember though, Eric loves science too. Just prefers to leave the time consuming fact checking to his critics.
This rings true! Great vid. Kent Hovind has so much to account for. Eric is still terrified of dentists and can you imagine being educated by Kent in science? This is the result.
Paulogia I humble myself at the feet on Analogia. Is it just me or has the content across the board of our little community dramatically improved in quality of production and message and in diversity over the last 2 years?. Your channel being a great example. Clearly this resonates, let's hope in YEC circles.
I would really like to seriously explore the question, does E.H. really believe believe this "theory" he spouts or does he just keep spouting it to make a living off of it, In other words, is he an idiot or is he a liar. I would bet dollars to doughnuts on the latter.
Psychopaths believe their own stories and seek out others more gullible than they tp prpogate them too. Sad dysfunction in the human body mind structure.
Paul, obviously what happened is, during the flood trees saw the water going and got REALLY fat so they wouldn't be washed away, and THAT'S why they have so many rings in a mere 6,000 years. Haven't watched the video yet, but I somehow doubt their real explanation is better than my joking one
The problem in dealing with ideologies that, by design are meant to be stagnant is they get really fucking predictable. While your video was, as always, worth watching, Eric didn't manage to say anything I haven't heard several times before.
These are perfect 'dad jokes' or in my case, 'uncle jokes'. I shall return to reading the tea leaves in order to determine what crazy thing my president will say or do.
Just throwing this out. I have a degree in history, but my dad taught physics, so I always had a respect for science. I homeschooled my kids, because I wanted them to learn critical thinking. My husband also taught science in the school system. I am disgusted by Eric Hovind! One does not have to go beyond the basics to find problems with his method. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but the fallacies are obvious to anyone with a sincere desire to look critically at the evidence. Great job, Paul! Whatever we believe, it must always be supported by logic and science. Thanks again for mentioning that MANY theists accept an old earth, evolution, and modern science in general.
You have to admire the enthusiasm in Eric's voice as he explains his way of looking at things...much like a 3rd grader returning home & telling his mom all the cool thins he learned in school that day...To his credit, he seems to honestly be trying to find some sort of evidence for his holy book's claims & it looks like it's taking him to some really cool places, most of which I have been many times. Something tells me his trail will grow cold at some point, but kudos to him for trying...
I was just thinking it was ages since I'd seen a new video from you, and wondering whether I'd accidentally unsubscribed. Glad to see you've uploaded this. I'll watch post-haste!
As is always the case with your videos, this one is both entertaining and highly informative. It also has the advantage of dealing with issues that are so simple that only Eric Hovind could get them confused. Thank you again.
Paulogia, another great video, but I used a spreadsheet and , assuming Year meant year and Day meant day, because those two Ancient Hebrew words are used consistently, went through the main dating thread of the Bible and came up with about the same numbers as Ussher. I say “main thread”, because there are contradictions, for example within the generations that lived in Egypt (I know, most, if not all, of the aspects of the slavery and Exodus stories are myths.)
The audio compression you used to raise the volume of Creation Today's video really murdered the sound. You can hear the background music rise and fall in volume dramatically as the compression kicks in. I checked the original video and it was fine, so there's something up on your end. You want to play with your settings for future videos. Otherwise, great video though! It really bugs me how the presuppositions these guys have prevent them from understanding what they are reading.
I have a bachelor degree in forestry and work primarily with private landowners. I can’t go a day without having to dispel misinformation like what Eric perpetuates in his video. His analysis of comparing two different types of trees, then concluding because they are both trees they grow the same way, is beyond wrong. I would even stand out on a limb to say that trees like BCP that grow in suboptimal conditions would have fewer rings then normal because of stress. This would make them even older then what is on the increment borer sample. Good fact finding Paul, and a great video.
Nice. Your videos are getting even clearer and more concise as time goes by. Thanks Paul. By the way, is Eric OK? He doesn't look well. I think the lying may be getting him down.
Great vid, thanks. I've often thought that this is probably the strongest and simplest argument against the 6000yr old Earth, (and all that that implies).
Eric shows a horrible level of dishonesty in his claims about growth rings. Meanwhile Paul knocks it out of the park with another detailed and accurate discussion. Well done Paul.
I saw a Thunderfoot video where Eric is talking to Thunderfoot and he asks "If I had all knowledge and I could not lie....." I wanted to ask him, "First, how do I know you can't lie? Second, can you mislead without saying anything that is technically untrue?" For example, withholding critical information like "There is a lot more to tree ring chronology than counting rings."
This video calls for a melancholy song about eternity and the relative worth of nature and the supernatural. "Way up in the mountains on the high timber line There's a twisted old tree called the Bristlecone Pine The wind there is bitter, it cuts like a knife And it keeps that tree holding on for dear life But hold on it does, standing its ground Standing as empires rise and fall down When Jesus was gathering lambs to his fold The tree was already a thousand years old Now the way I have lived there ain't no way to tell When I die if I'm going to heaven or hell So when I'm laid to rest it would suit me just fine To sleep at the feet of the Bristlecone Pine For as I would slowly return to the earth What little this body of mine might be worth Would soon start to nourish the roots of that tree And it would partake of the essence of me And who knows but that as the centuries turn A small spark of me might continue to burn As long as the sun did continue to shine Down on the limbs of the Bristlecone Pine Now the way I have lived there ain't no way to tell When I die if I'm going to heaven or hell So I'd just as soon serve out eternity's time Asleep at the feet of the Bristlecone Pine Asleep at the feet of the Bristlecone Pine "
Is modern ministry going to be producing movies? If so I gotta say it's a neat move in my book. They're trying to get more hip and it's always interesting to see how they do it. Taking a simple upbeat edm themed song. Annual movies like movie companies. All tactics and marketing borrowed from other markets.
POPPA SMURF as long as it isn't you promoting your own channel by spamming other channels, then it's cool. Pointing out other good channels is fine by RUclips courtesy standards.
My favorite refutation of the "biblical timeline" is that Chinese civilization was alive and well during the proposed dates of the flood, yet was somehow immediately repopulated by a descendant of Noah that was somehow Chinese and they didn't bother to make any record of this horrible catastrophe...
At 4:39, actually, it sounds like dendrochronologists just like to pick and choose what data to use that fits their built-in assumptions about tree ring dating. Much like geologists when they date the unknown age of rocks to be millions of years old, and call it a fact, while discarding the age of known rocks, like the samples taken from Mount Saint Helen which were just a few tens of years old, that dated to a range of 380,000 to 3.2 million years old and called the results unreliable or inconclusive. But science always gets it right, right?
God could've made it easy on us. God could have made sure no tree even appears to be older than 4000 years. If there is some God who has a vested interest in us believing the earth is young.
It's almost as if he believes that dendrochronology is simply counting the number of rings. He might find that it's a bit more complicated than that...
It's like his dear pappy's dismissal of paleontology as "looking at bones". I know some archaeologists, paleontologists, forensic scientists and zoologists who might like to educate him on the complexities of studying bone and fossilised bone structures.
dont forget the olders tree in sweden.. the Old Tjikko;The world’s oldest known living tree sprouted sometime during the last Ice Age, roughly 9,550 years ago. This 16-foot spruce in the Dalarna province of Sweden may look more like a Charlie Brown Christmas Tree, but don’t be fooled: this little guy’s root system got started back when the British Isles were still connected to Europe by an ice bridge. According to Wired, geologist Leif Kullman, who discovered the tree, named it after his dead dog
That was one ineptly written paragraph. I would've given it a “C” at best even if it were written by a highschooler. Not a shock that Eric Hovind would choose such a subpar source to lift a few quotes from.
36 seconds ago was the time stamp on my notification. No views. No likes. No dislikes. Now there is one like. Anybody who annoyingly claims "first" is bullshitting and a liar.
I just want to give a thumbs up to both Tony Reed's _How Creationism Taught Me Real Science 65 Dating Assumptions_ and Aron Ra's _How Dendrochronology Disproves Noah's Flood_ videos. If you haven't seen them, watch them. If you have seen them, they're worth watching again.
The links are in the description. _How Creationism Taught Me Real Science 65 Dating Assumptions_ www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ze1j... _How Dendrochronology Disproves Noah's Flood_ www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KEfj...
Why am I not able to find any information about this flood? Was there really a flood that flooded the entire fertile crescent from the mediterranean sea to the Persian gulf? When was it? What was it called? Anyone have any info on this?
I don't think so. You see what I mean right? He shows it at 2:15. I can find that image and others like it all over Google images, sometimes it even calls it the Iraqi flood plain, but if I click on the link, never any info about the actual flood. The Black Sea flood seems like it flooded and stayed flooded. Seems like a different event. Thanks though. I appreciate your looking into it.
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You missed the final tie in. Like Adam and eve could have been created as adults, the trees could have been created as fully mature as well. A 12,000 year old tree would merely be evidence that thre flood happened before that (presuming the tree wouldn't have survived the flood) creating a problem for the 6,000 yeast old model
I think the flood myths around the world and "global flood" stories could easily be word of mouth stories about the ice age. I can see the world covered mostly in ice changed to covered in water over the course of a few hundred generations. People probably thought that ice being everywhere in the hot desert was far fetched and crazy and they changed it to water.
Most of these flood myths seem more related to local floods of river systems. A notable exception being the Australian Aborigines, who's flood myths actually seem to be describing dramatically rising sea levels (which happened several times as the glaciation period came to an end). The most recent of which was about 12,000 years ago, the sea level rise that separated the (now) island of Tasmania from the continent and isolated the peoples there. Still twice as old as the universe apparently.
Noah's Flood comes into the Jewish tales about the time of the Babylonian Exile, so it seems likely it came from stories there. And while the Babylonians probably got it from one or more of the earlier civilizations, it probably arose from the frequent floods that the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers are prone to having. I'm not dismissing the "ice age" conjecture, but given the geography in question, I suspect it's more likely to prove to be some event(s) after the development of agriculture and the resultant rise in permanent settlements..
Most early human settlements were by rivers so disaster stories would be very likely to be about floods since many people would have experienced them to a certain degree.
Considering relatively fast world wide communication has only been made possible since airplanes were improved enough to fly over the oceans, I'm guessing the flood myths are actually about local floods, hurricanes, etc.
One possible flood causede by rising sea level is the filling of the Black Sea. During the most recent ice age, the Black Sea was dry. As ice melted and sea level rose, eventually the se level was high enough to pour in and fill the Black Sea in one catastrophic event...
They says age not rings, siriesly do you think that People that WORKS with trees age and that stof dont take what they have ben found out in to konsiderration
Yeah. As a scientist it really pisses me off when dipshits who don’t know what we do, talk about what we do, and have no clue the amount of school required to get said science degree. Some of us can even get professional licenses on top of that degree, which includes more experience and tests. I don’t go into courts of law pretending to be more educated in the law than the lawyers in the room. Sorry. Eric triggered me.
Steven Baumann - Eric has Dunning-Krueger at its finest
Steven Baumann His existence triggers me. The stupid is too strong with this one.
ahabtheplant agreed
I totally understand what you're saying, as a historian it always pisses me off when people like Hovind or Ham make the most ridiculous claims about our history while at the same time saying people who spend their life doing research are wrong. don`t these people know there is more to dating things than just looking at a tree or building and guessing?
I'm not a professional scientist and I only hold bachelors degrees, but as a scientifically literate layman, I appreciate and respect your profession. Your anger is definitely justified.
The cover picture they chose for the Grand Canyon Movie is the Horseshoe bend?
THE Horseshoe bend?!
The one that everyone brings up as an obvious geological feature that cannot be explained by fast moving water?! They decided to plaster that one full screen?? The lack of self awareness, omg.
Boris Bauwens
Remember that charlatans rely on the gullible never to check anything they say.
I'm afraid of this movie...
Alternative explanation: they're psychopaths.
Psychopaths enjoy playing with their victims. Like giving them warnings of what is about to come but which they cannot evade. They also enjoy "proving" themselves smarter than their victims by providing clues that their victims are too stupid to spot.
Case in point: Joseph Smith gave many clues that his new religion was a scam. He had a prophet called Mormon, which is very similar to the word "moron." When they didn't figure out that clue he dropped another one with the angel Moroni (I pronounce it "moron-y"). And then the planet -bollocks- Kolob (too obvious if he spelled it bolox so he spelled it backwards).
This could be more of the same. A full-on lie utilizing the very thing that proves it is a lie. What could be more psychopathic?
I notice Eric only mentioned live tree measurement. The long continuous record that includes rings from no longer living trees puts further paid to his assertion
I like that Eric at least recognises that no plant life would survive the flood.....
But that just brings in a whole host of new questions....
Thundawich, pay no attention to the dove with an olive branch!
So when Eric says "using the concept of multiple rings" what he's actually saying is "I'm going to assume that 600 rings are accountable through multiple-ring years based on nothing other than that's what I need to do to make the figures fit my assumptions". Got it.
With a microscope it's really easy to identify false rings. You can always see the last ring where it stopped growing for the season.
HE lied??? I am so shocked! What am I going to do about the Eric tattoo on my ass?
Is your Eric tattoo a portrait? If so is it across both cheeks with your asshole strategically placed where his mouth should be?
He lied?
Next you will be telling me his Dad's a convicted fraudster (tax) !
On your ass??
Well, you can sit on it
Sell your donkey, buy a sheep.
I have an even better alternative title:
Does Tree Ring Data Prove Eric Hovind's Head Is Made Of Wood
frater chaos, in fact his head cannot be wood. His nose is too short for his lies!
possibly... or perhaps he has a dedicated tree surgeon
frater chaos, oh yeah, the blue-masked fairy! Good point!
Dunno. Does it weigh the same as a duck...? :-P
Paul Madryga, well, it turned science into a newt!
(It got better.)
"600 bonus rings" don't know why but that cracked me up.
sonic!
Cluckery Duckery made me think of sonic the hedgehog.
2:43 I'm amazed that Eric can pronounce 'dendrochronology'.
Condor Boss it seemed to me like he practiced saying it and he still struggled a bit. Lol
Cornlips 4 you noticed the pause between dendro and chronology too did you?
I also noticed it was in the first sentence after a cut. I checked the original video to verify and it's the same there.
he's been practicing so he can sound professional. A typical pseudo-scientist behavior
I bet it took more takes than a bristle-cone pine has growth rings 😜
there is a spruce tree here in Sweden thats 9500 years old Eric. It laughs at your flood myth
it also laughs at your 6 000 year old earth. or before god came there was the SPRUCE TREE! floating through the void
Yggdrasil!!! Odin lives!
Condor Boss wasn't Yggdrasil ash?
Hey, I've been to see that spruce :) it's way smaller than you'd expect.
+Azure Griffin Don't tell Eric Hovind.
Dendrochronology is so fascinating to me. Thanks for the video, Paul.
de nada
As an archaeologist, I confirm that this video is a simple but accurate explanation of how it works. We indeed do not need a single old tree to make a dating sequence. Good video Paul.
As I understand it the bristlecone is the least of Eric's problems. There's the grove of quaking aspens in Utah that's 80,000 years old. I'd love to hear Eric explain (without relying on"uh no its not") how a tree is 13 times older then the universe.
Yeah, there are actually quite a few examples like that. Certain orchards or creosote rings can go back many tens of thousands of years. Not to mention ice core samples, radiometric dating, dendrochronology and everything else.
This is what I find so disappointing about my fellow Christians in the young earther camp. There are so many amazing things out there in real science. The idea that a grove of trees is a single living organism and that it predates even Sumer is amazing to me. There's something spiritual, for lack of a better word, in that imo something that transcends the numbers of its age. War, famine, death, civilizations rise and fall, entire species have gone extinct but trees continue to exist from before the dawn or our oldest civilization. Good science doesn't lessen our sense of wonder about the world around us it only deepens it.
The problem in debating a creationist and YES they are stupid by choice.
They believe--
1) the Bible is the complete word of God, it is without error and presents an accurate history of god’s dealing with his children on earth as well as how the world came to be.
2) when there is no evidence supporting #1; that’s OK because we trust in god fully.
3) in case the Bible is wrong refer to rule #1.
They accept no evidence that differs from the Bible hence only they can change their minds, no evidence can weaken their faith.
A video from an interview with a young guy holding a doctorate in Cosmology or Astronomy gave me the info above. I think it’s still on RUclips. With his education, he still accepts no data that does not support his Bible. Why do we debate these knuckleheads?
Yggdrasil?
I'd agree on all 3 points. The Bible is a mix of parable, myth and history taking it as absolutely literal does it a disservice to me. Most Christians accept that science is the process of learning the principles of God's creation (hence why most of us accept the science) its sad that some people stick their heads in the sand and refuse to accept it.
As for debating it probably because some do occasionally listen. Paulogia was a young earther once but an honest study of the science changed his mind.
there's no way Eric doesn't know he's being dishonest here. With all the research so readily available to him, it's impossible to ignore the facts.
no wifi in the forrest?
lol- I've now got a mental image of Eric survival-ing in the wild, eating moss and berries, clad in nothing but his own shame- desperately trying to use a moose as an aerial. No, Eric- that's not a usb port.
I mean, his followers ignore the facts... so, there's that.... :D
its easy to ignore facts.....but the rest of us dont .
"I heard people say that tree ring dating will disprove the Bible. I wanna know - is that true?" - NO, of course not, I have already decided it cannot be true. hahahahaha
in hindsight, it may not be an honest question
I mean, would he even tell us if he thought it were true?
I don't see how Eric could have possibly digged out those quote mines while not reading the thing. I guess that is the nail in the coffin as to the question if Eric Hovind is just ignorant or if he's dishonest.
mugogrog, Quote mining by definition is about as dishonest as one can get. Of course whoever performed the original quote mining did so to be dishonest. Eric ,if not the originator, is dishonest by not fact checking before using the mined quotes. That being said, anyone involved in performing or using mined quotes is by definition,...dishonest.
You're saying that Eric didn't do due diligence when researching & presenting a topic? You're saying that Eric took bits of information that may support his argument and kept quiet about the rest? Yes obviously you are because his video can be shown that that's what he did. Remember though, Eric loves science too. Just prefers to leave the time consuming fact checking to his critics.
they don't have google in the redwoods
This rings true! Great vid. Kent Hovind has so much to account for. Eric is still terrified of dentists and can you imagine being educated by Kent in science? This is the result.
i see what you did there
Paulogia I humble myself at the feet on Analogia. Is it just me or has the content across the board of our little community dramatically improved in quality of production and message and in diversity over the last 2 years?.
Your channel being a great example. Clearly this resonates, let's hope in YEC circles.
Agrippa Amen. Sorry, ramen.
Thanks Pauloia!
thank you, poseidonc12!
Dating trees? Wouldn't you get some really nasty splinters?
Eric Kleefeld or a naughty woody
Yeah but once you get married you'll be okay.
I would really like to seriously explore the question, does E.H. really believe believe this "theory" he spouts or does he just keep spouting it to make a living off of it, In other words, is he an idiot or is he a liar. I would bet dollars to doughnuts on the latter.
He could be both. Which qualifies him to be president.
Psychopaths believe their own stories and seek out others more gullible than they tp prpogate them too. Sad dysfunction in the human body mind structure.
Bristleconejones That's not what psychopathy is. It's basically just a deficit in emotional empathy.
Paul, obviously what happened is, during the flood trees saw the water going and got REALLY fat so they wouldn't be washed away, and THAT'S why they have so many rings in a mere 6,000 years.
Haven't watched the video yet, but I somehow doubt their real explanation is better than my joking one
you're right on your prediction
The problem in dealing with ideologies that, by design are meant to be stagnant is they get really fucking predictable. While your video was, as always, worth watching, Eric didn't manage to say anything I haven't heard several times before.
Excellent video Paul.
Please don't ever stop. Thank you for all that you do.
Maybe we need to start a new field of study, Dendrocraniology, we could drill Erics head and see how wooden heads work.
that wins comment of the day
I wouldn't try to date a tree. I hear they are not big on monogamy.
they are big on mahogany
I would hope so, knock on wood.
These are perfect 'dad jokes' or in my case, 'uncle jokes'. I shall return to reading the tea leaves in order to determine what crazy thing my president will say or do.
“There are trees older than you think the Earth is.” -Bill Nye
Hey Paul, Love your videos... Keep up the good work!!! I hope to see you at the Ark Encounter Protest...
sadly, that conflicts with commitments I have here... but excited to see what becomes of the protest.
Great vid Paul 👍
WOW. You talk about inaccurate
Almost like he's INTENTIONALLY misinterpreting or something... but he wouldn't do THAT, right? 🤔
Nooooooo. CReationists would never quotemine. Or get basic facts about something wrong, despite debuking (or attemting to) it for 30 years.
would seem an un-Christian thing to do
Paulogia yea, that whole 9th commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" thing
Also, hi Paul 👋🏻
Good video, it was very clear and sited legitimate sources. It's annoying when people try to ignore information and cherry pick what they want to see.
Just throwing this out. I have a degree in history, but my dad taught physics, so I always had a respect for science. I homeschooled my kids, because I wanted them to learn critical thinking. My husband also taught science in the school system. I am disgusted by Eric Hovind! One does not have to go beyond the basics to find problems with his method. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but the fallacies are obvious to anyone with a sincere desire to look critically at the evidence. Great job, Paul! Whatever we believe, it must always be supported by logic and science. Thanks again for mentioning that MANY theists accept an old earth, evolution, and modern science in general.
Great vid, keep up the great work.
thanks, Bob
I am from Tasmainia, we have a tree called Huon pine and it is a good runner-up to the bristlecone pine .
You have to admire the enthusiasm in Eric's voice as he explains his way of looking at things...much like a 3rd grader returning home & telling his mom all the cool thins he learned in school that day...To his credit, he seems to honestly be trying to find some sort of evidence for his holy book's claims & it looks like it's taking him to some really cool places, most of which I have been many times. Something tells me his trail will grow cold at some point, but kudos to him for trying...
Bud Askins
His trail has been cold since Copernicus.
I keep getting ads for the movie Paul: apostle of christ every time I watch your videos now.
Great vid, once again, dude!
Didn’t know multiple growth rings for 1 year were so common.thanks .Great video
looking forward to your review of the Grand Canyon documentary
I love pulled text. Quoting the whole passage: Enlightening!
I love pulled pork.
I was just thinking it was ages since I'd seen a new video from you, and wondering whether I'd accidentally unsubscribed. Glad to see you've uploaded this. I'll watch post-haste!
glad you're still here
As is always the case with your videos, this one is both entertaining and highly informative. It also has the advantage of dealing with issues that are so simple that only Eric Hovind could get them confused. Thank you again.
The only way a tree could ever disprove the bible is if you used it to make paper and print, that masterpiece of self-contradictory text, the bible.
Paulogia, another great video, but I used a spreadsheet and , assuming Year meant year and Day meant day, because those two Ancient Hebrew words are used consistently, went through the main dating thread of the Bible and came up with about the same numbers as Ussher.
I say “main thread”, because there are contradictions, for example within the generations that lived in Egypt (I know, most, if not all, of the aspects of the slavery and Exodus stories are myths.)
The audio compression you used to raise the volume of Creation Today's video really murdered the sound. You can hear the background music rise and fall in volume dramatically as the compression kicks in. I checked the original video and it was fine, so there's something up on your end. You want to play with your settings for future videos.
Otherwise, great video though! It really bugs me how the presuppositions these guys have prevent them from understanding what they are reading.
I have heard that we have little data on if and when the events of the second book happened
I have a bachelor degree in forestry and work primarily with private landowners. I can’t go a day without having to dispel misinformation like what Eric perpetuates in his video. His analysis of comparing two different types of trees, then concluding because they are both trees they grow the same way, is beyond wrong. I would even stand out on a limb to say that trees like BCP that grow in suboptimal conditions would have fewer rings then normal because of stress. This would make them even older then what is on the increment borer sample. Good fact finding Paul, and a great video.
Nice. Your videos are getting even clearer and more concise as time goes by. Thanks Paul.
By the way, is Eric OK? He doesn't look well. I think the lying may be getting him down.
thanks, Noble. it's interesting... a few people are making the same comment about Eric.
Paulogia I suspect he will be an atheist in a year or two. If he isn't secretly already.
Thanks. Great video.
Wow, nice smack down!!!!
You changed his title!!! :)
Woooo it's Paul back again with the truth
Wait, so did the flood kill all the trees too? How did THOSE repopulate? Did Noah have a secret twin with a separate ark who was a botanist?
everybody knows the story man, hashirama senju and uchiha madara had a fight and resulted in trees spouting everywhere.
"Let's find out if that's true" means in creationism language "let's find arguments why it's wrong".
my bad
Great vid, thanks. I've often thought that this is probably the strongest and simplest argument against the 6000yr old Earth, (and all that that implies).
I got an ad about Christianity and the afterlife 🙄
Eric shows a horrible level of dishonesty in his claims about growth rings. Meanwhile Paul knocks it out of the park with another detailed and accurate discussion. Well done Paul.
Another great video. Something I've been wondering: What's the name of your intro song?
I don't know if this will be of interest to you, but the thumbnail used at 1:03 isn't even the Grand Canyon, that is Glen Canyon.
OMFG THATS HOW YOU GOT YOUR NAME😂😂😂😁 absolutely brilliant
Thanks!
1:12 My favorite view of Eric.
I saw a Thunderfoot video where Eric is talking to Thunderfoot and he asks "If I had all knowledge and I could not lie....."
I wanted to ask him, "First, how do I know you can't lie? Second, can you mislead without saying anything that is technically untrue?"
For example, withholding critical information like "There is a lot more to tree ring chronology than counting rings."
I used to watch that conversation and insert myself as well.
I probably would have punched him (Eric, not Thunderfoot)
Still serious audio compression issues.
Whoah, was that intro music recently remastered with way more bass? Or is it my new cheapass earphones? Anyone else notice a difference?
This video calls for a melancholy song about eternity and the relative worth of nature and the supernatural.
"Way up in the mountains on the high timber line
There's a twisted old tree called the Bristlecone Pine
The wind there is bitter, it cuts like a knife
And it keeps that tree holding on for dear life
But hold on it does, standing its ground
Standing as empires rise and fall down
When Jesus was gathering lambs to his fold
The tree was already a thousand years old
Now the way I have lived there ain't no way to tell
When I die if I'm going to heaven or hell
So when I'm laid to rest it would suit me just fine
To sleep at the feet of the Bristlecone Pine
For as I would slowly return to the earth
What little this body of mine might be worth
Would soon start to nourish the roots of that tree
And it would partake of the essence of me
And who knows but that as the centuries turn
A small spark of me might continue to burn
As long as the sun did continue to shine
Down on the limbs of the Bristlecone Pine
Now the way I have lived there ain't no way to tell
When I die if I'm going to heaven or hell
So I'd just as soon serve out eternity's time
Asleep at the feet of the Bristlecone Pine
Asleep at the feet of the Bristlecone Pine
"
Is modern ministry going to be producing movies? If so I gotta say it's a neat move in my book. They're trying to get more hip and it's always interesting to see how they do it. Taking a simple upbeat edm themed song. Annual movies like movie companies. All tactics and marketing borrowed from other markets.
Thank You.
creosote bushes grow in circles, each new growth spreads, the oldest is estimated at 11,000 years.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larrea_tridentata
And of course the trees he is mentioning are of course NOT the oldest trees. That medal goes to a group of trees in Sweden about 9550 years old.
if its ok, i'd like to give a shout out to SciManDan, a kinda new channel that takes on flat earthers. he's worth a look.
POPPA SMURF as long as it isn't you promoting your own channel by spamming other channels, then it's cool. Pointing out other good channels is fine by RUclips courtesy standards.
i don't supply content on any channel. i just love science channels. i found this guy 2 days ago and have been binge watching.
Since it’s not your channel I’ll check it out.
I've been watching him a lot lately. He's got a pretty good relaxed style.
Thanks. I can never get enough of channels wrecking flat earthers.
The way Eric talks... it's just so oily and condescending, like he's trying to sell a used car to a 5 year-old.
Yes, next question?
right?!?
My favorite refutation of the "biblical timeline" is that Chinese civilization was alive and well during the proposed dates of the flood, yet was somehow immediately repopulated by a descendant of Noah that was somehow Chinese and they didn't bother to make any record of this horrible catastrophe...
that's a tough one
I've dated a psychopath, at least one narcissist and plenty of liars. But I don't think I've ever dated a tree ring.
Saw a Prager University ad before the video started. Ughhhhh
I'll take their money.
why is his music coming in and out like that?! @_@;;;
At 4:39, actually, it sounds like dendrochronologists just like to pick and choose what data to use that fits their built-in assumptions about tree ring dating. Much like geologists when they date the unknown age of rocks to be millions of years old, and call it a fact, while discarding the age of known rocks, like the samples taken from Mount Saint Helen which were just a few tens of years old, that dated to a range of 380,000 to 3.2 million years old and called the results unreliable or inconclusive. But science always gets it right, right?
Bonus rings? is he saying that the world is just a big game of Sonic the Hedgehog, with Jesus as the end of level boss?
ba-ding ba-ding ba-ding
God could've made it easy on us. God could have made sure no tree even appears to be older than 4000 years. If there is some God who has a vested interest in us believing the earth is young.
Just look at the comments on Eric's original post. It's hylarious
I can't believe he left them open!
It's almost as if he believes that dendrochronology is simply counting the number of rings. He might find that it's a bit more complicated than that...
It's like his dear pappy's dismissal of paleontology as "looking at bones". I know some archaeologists, paleontologists, forensic scientists and zoologists who might like to educate him on the complexities of studying bone and fossilised bone structures.
dont forget the olders tree in sweden.. the Old Tjikko;The world’s oldest known living tree sprouted sometime during the last Ice Age, roughly 9,550 years ago. This 16-foot spruce in the Dalarna province of Sweden may look more like a Charlie Brown Christmas Tree, but don’t be fooled: this little guy’s root system got started back when the British Isles were still connected to Europe by an ice bridge. According to Wired, geologist Leif Kullman, who discovered the tree, named it after his dead dog
Dammit, I think this is the closest I'll get to being the first one to a paulogia video
The oldest living person I can find is 120, therefore the flood was 120 years ago. Staggering....
I'm a fan.
That was one ineptly written paragraph. I would've given it a “C” at best even if it were written by a highschooler. Not a shock that Eric Hovind would choose such a subpar source to lift a few quotes from.
36 seconds ago was the time stamp on my notification. No views. No likes. No dislikes. Now there is one like. Anybody who annoyingly claims "first" is bullshitting and a liar.
everyone was waiting for you
Sort of surprised that Eric picked sonething so easy to debunk......lift your game Eric lest your whole ruse come crumbling down.
Next thing you know, Eric Hovind is going to make a video where he tries to say that a lack of DNA in dinosaur fossils proves the earth is young.
I just want to give a thumbs up to both Tony Reed's _How Creationism Taught Me Real Science 65 Dating Assumptions_ and Aron Ra's _How Dendrochronology Disproves Noah's Flood_ videos. If you haven't seen them, watch them. If you have seen them, they're worth watching again.
Fred Derf link?
The links are in the description.
_How Creationism Taught Me Real Science 65 Dating Assumptions_
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ze1j...
_How Dendrochronology Disproves Noah's Flood_
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KEfj...
Why am I not able to find any information about this flood? Was there really a flood that flooded the entire fertile crescent from the mediterranean sea to the Persian gulf? When was it? What was it called? Anyone have any info on this?
I don't think so. You see what I mean right? He shows it at 2:15. I can find that image and others like it all over Google images, sometimes it even calls it the Iraqi flood plain, but if I click on the link, never any info about the actual flood. The Black Sea flood seems like it flooded and stayed flooded. Seems like a different event.
Thanks though. I appreciate your looking into it.
Paulogia, great video! Hovinds cherry picking at it's finest, LMAO. Love and Peace
thanks, Laura
Hi Paul terrific channel and another informative show , way to go eh !
I’m from British Columbia and my eldest son lives in your great province .
Wondering if you could give me some advice and tips on a possible channel that I’ve been thinking about launching ?
I’m certainly limited in the tech world knowledge. I think I may have a unique slant on our atheist side , with subject manner that isn’t brought to light often enough or shown in the way I’m thinking about .
How can I contact you possibly and at least present my idea .
I greatly appreciate your time ,
Regards
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Peace
You missed the final tie in. Like Adam and eve could have been created as adults, the trees could have been created as fully mature as well. A 12,000 year old tree would merely be evidence that thre flood happened before that (presuming the tree wouldn't have survived the flood) creating a problem for the 6,000 yeast old model
hahaha after i finished the video with viced rhino got this in recommended lol!
don't do it! nah... he's amazing people
This Peter Enns guy has an extra n.What's up with that? You should get 3. Paul Ennns has a nice flow to it.
Are you trying to say creationists lie to push their agenda?
say it ain't so.....
Ba ha ha ha ha ha aaaaaa.....
that's rather sad.....and typical.
I think the flood myths around the world and "global flood" stories could easily be word of mouth stories about the ice age. I can see the world covered mostly in ice changed to covered in water over the course of a few hundred generations. People probably thought that ice being everywhere in the hot desert was far fetched and crazy and they changed it to water.
Most of these flood myths seem more related to local floods of river systems.
A notable exception being the Australian Aborigines, who's flood myths actually seem to be describing dramatically rising sea levels (which happened several times as the glaciation period came to an end).
The most recent of which was about 12,000 years ago, the sea level rise that separated the (now) island of Tasmania from the continent and isolated the peoples there.
Still twice as old as the universe apparently.
Noah's Flood comes into the Jewish tales about the time of the Babylonian Exile, so it seems likely it came from stories there. And while the Babylonians probably got it from one or more of the earlier civilizations, it probably arose from the frequent floods that the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers are prone to having.
I'm not dismissing the "ice age" conjecture, but given the geography in question, I suspect it's more likely to prove to be some event(s) after the development of agriculture and the resultant rise in permanent settlements..
Most early human settlements were by rivers so disaster stories would be very likely to be about floods since many people would have experienced them to a certain degree.
Considering relatively fast world wide communication has only been made possible since airplanes were improved enough to fly over the oceans, I'm guessing the flood myths are actually about local floods, hurricanes, etc.
One possible flood causede by rising sea level is the filling of the Black Sea. During the most recent ice age, the Black Sea was dry. As ice melted and sea level rose, eventually the se level was high enough to pour in and fill the Black Sea in one catastrophic event...
So carbon dating is 100% accurate? No assumptions being made?
They says age not rings, siriesly do you think that People that WORKS with trees age and that stof dont take what they have ben found out in to konsiderration