Inside the Ethiopian Orthodox Church | with Dn. Henok Elias (Ethiopia #4)

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  • Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
  • Dn. Henok Elias is an Ethiopian Orthodox Christian and has a RUclips channel called Philosophy of Art & Science. Many listeners recommended I talk with him for an insider perspective on the particulars of Ethiopian Orthodox traditions. See below for links to the universal history symbolism about Ethiopia I’ve discussed with Richard Rohlin that led up to this conversation.
    Dn. Henok and I discuss his place in the church, training and poetry in the Ethiopian tradition, what his perspective is on the discussions about Ethiopia on this channel, patron saints, feasts, Lalibela churches as the “New Jerusalem”, the role of drum instruments in the Ethiopian church and finally I ask his opinion about the future role of Ethiopia in the universal history.
    -Dn. Henok’s RUclips channel, Philosophy of Art & Science (POAAS): / henokelias
    -Tewahido Bible Study: tewahido.transistor.fm
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    Universal History: Ethiopia episodes:
    1. Universal History: the Mystery of Ethiopia | with Richard Rohlin: • Universal History: the...
    2. Universal History: The Apocalypse and the Return of the King | with Richard Rohlin: • Universal History: The...
    3. Universal History: From Alexander the Great to Ethiopia | with Richard Rohlin: • Universal History: Fro...
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    Timestamps:
    00:00:00 Introduction
    00:02:33 Tell us about yourself
    00:07:09 Training and poetry in the Ethiopian Orthodox tradition
    00:15:04 How did you find the Universal History episodes on Ethiopia?
    00:19:06 Jonathan’s time in Ethiopia
    00:21:02 Dn. Henok’s relation to Ethiopia
    00:23:26 Patron Saints in the Ethiopian Orthodox tradition
    00:29:12 Feast of the Nativity
    00:34:25 Lalibela
    00:47:20 Do people still make pilgrimages to Lalibela?
    00:50:00 Ethiopian drums
    01:00:12 The Last Emperor
    01:05:31 Outro
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Комментарии • 344

  • @looqo7632
    @looqo7632 2 года назад +103

    I recently heard a priest in Jamaica say that not only is the ark in Ethiopia, but the greater portions of the cross as well.

    • @eldermillennial8330
      @eldermillennial8330 2 года назад +1

      While the Vatican controls the Titulus and the Shroud. I’m of the opinion that God Himself burned the Shroud as a protest against Rome’s feeble response to Venetian mercenaries sacking Constantinople. Innocent 3rd was a coward, at BEST.
      Anyway, as the Vatican plumbs new depths of heresy, I worry that God may just Destroy these Most Holy of relics than suffer them remaining in increasingly unholy environments.
      The Cross should all be reunited.

    • @meronaberraabebe9615
      @meronaberraabebe9615 2 года назад +19

      Yes, the right side of the cross is in Gishen Mariam, Ethiopia.

    • @looqo7632
      @looqo7632 2 года назад +8

      @@meronaberraabebe9615 Interesting that it's the right side.

    • @viviennebaptiste
      @viviennebaptiste 2 года назад +16

      But they say Christianity is the white man's religion 🙄

    • @AmanuelBA
      @AmanuelBA 2 года назад +1

      It is believed that the Holy Grail is also found in Ethiopia. In Saint Uriel Monastery!

  • @ps1761
    @ps1761 2 года назад +225

    Adding my vote for a “part 2” - this was fascinating!

    • @nicholaspino1679
      @nicholaspino1679 2 года назад +6

      Saaaame

    • @alisesay
      @alisesay 2 года назад +6

      I want a series or atleast a trilogy of this

    • @PhilosophyofArtandScience
      @PhilosophyofArtandScience 2 года назад

      we did part deux on my channel ruclips.net/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/видео.html

    • @reidmartin6209
      @reidmartin6209 2 года назад +2

      I just found this, I haven't watched it yet
      ruclips.net/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/видео.html

  • @06rtm
    @06rtm 2 года назад +199

    For the sake of a lowly farmer trapped in his tractor, please post these as audio podcasts when the video comes out. I cant use all my data on the video, but I also cant wait a month for the audio to come out. Grateful for all the content, thanks for all you do!

    • @JonathanPageau
      @JonathanPageau  2 года назад +117

      We are working to catch up with the videos by the end of the month. Starting November, they should come out at the same time.

    • @06rtm
      @06rtm 2 года назад +45

      @@JonathanPageau Much appreciated! Thanks for the reply, and again thanks for all the content.

    • @biruktekle2126
      @biruktekle2126 2 года назад +1

      @@JonathanPageau can you talk to (deacon gorgoriyos dejene) to correct and elaborate to some points you can get him by searching his names

    • @stevenanderson4515
      @stevenanderson4515 2 года назад +12

      Bro I listen in my tractor too!

    • @georgioiopelan169
      @georgioiopelan169 2 года назад +7

      Absolutely love it, data scientist in Pageau College with farmers! The way life should be.

  • @talkingeez3512
    @talkingeez3512 2 года назад +84

    I love our Orthodox Churches and it's traditions. Thank you both for this wonderful conversation. Yes Geez is not dead indeed.

  • @frehiwotkebede9009
    @frehiwotkebede9009 7 месяцев назад +7

    I am from Ethiopia, u don't know how deep is, our orthodox tewhdo religion, u will amazed.

  • @mebachanews3450
    @mebachanews3450 2 года назад +14

    Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahdo Church will be preached to the entire world sooner. and it shall be, for the sake of this world. This world deserve to be saved with the truth.

  • @zeyeneta7211
    @zeyeneta7211 2 года назад +14

    እግዚአብሔር ይባርክህ 🙏🏿 !

  • @abbemussa
    @abbemussa 2 года назад +62

    This was a really wonderful conversation. I have enjoyed it very much, from beginning to end. Me and my wife got baptized into the Ethiopian Orthodox Church two years ago. First time I heard Deacon Henok Elias. Hope to hear more. And Jonathan, thanks for all that you do and for hosting such beautiful people. May God bless you both.
    Glory to God! Halleluia

    • @PhilosophyofArtandScience
      @PhilosophyofArtandScience 2 года назад +4

      yideliwekimu (you all are worthy)

    • @abbemussa
      @abbemussa 2 года назад +4

      @@PhilosophyofArtandScience Thank you brother Henok. I look forward to see and here more from you. We live in Sweden btw. Have a blessed weekend : )

    • @alexandervajda7308
      @alexandervajda7308 2 года назад +2

      @@PhilosophyofArtandScience Deacon Henok, are you familiar with Ato Mekonnen Zewdie and the Jerusalem Association? I was born here in 1980 and attended OCA ROCOR churches but he was my is my grandfather. I'd love to hear more about what you might know about his work within the Ethiopian church. Thanks and God Bless

    • @PhilosophyofArtandScience
      @PhilosophyofArtandScience 2 года назад +2

      @@alexandervajda7308 very interesting story you have, and i would like to know more but do not.

    • @werqzeleke2815
      @werqzeleke2815 Год назад +1

      How can you still have a non Christian name if you are baptized ??? That isn't our tradition at all.

  • @abeloabebaw2990
    @abeloabebaw2990 2 года назад +11

    love from et for Greek/Russia orthodox Christians and also for other christens

  • @jmpht854
    @jmpht854 2 года назад +16

    Even growing up in Ethiopia I hadn't realized that the drum tradition wasn't universally accepted. Thank you for interviewing someone actually educated in Ethiopian Orthodoxy about its practices!

    • @werqzeleke2815
      @werqzeleke2815 Год назад +1

      Yes most of us have no clue because the church doesn't educate rather increases the number of believers that are ignorant in what they believe in. ( Bado imnet)

    • @junicornplays980
      @junicornplays980 6 месяцев назад

      @@werqzeleke2815 Wow you've just summed up in one sentence what I've been frustrated with for a very long time

  • @PJ_MIKE
    @PJ_MIKE 2 года назад +62

    Thanks for the conversation! It would be very interesting to have his interpretation of the Book of Enoch and how it influences Ethiopian Christianity.

    • @christophmahler
      @christophmahler 2 года назад +4

      "It would be very interesting to have his interpretation of the Book of Enoch and how it influences Ethiopian Christianity."
      Feel similar about 'Ezra' and the veneration of Uriel.

  • @maxpitchkites
    @maxpitchkites 2 года назад +52

    There seems to be so little about Ethiopia from English-language books, so these podcasts are some of the best resources I have for learning about Ethiopia. I definitely encourage a part 2.

    • @Gypsy2211
      @Gypsy2211 2 года назад +4

      There’s a good book called I need answers by dawit muluneh about Ethiopian orthodox Christianity in English if you’re interested

    • @tote7618
      @tote7618 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/HtiysGRmkUI/видео.html

    • @magistradox39
      @magistradox39 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@Gypsy2211What about Ethiopian History?

    • @gedionendalkachew12
      @gedionendalkachew12 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@magistradox39there is a book hopless romantic by dn dawit

  • @panoramicprism
    @panoramicprism 2 года назад +32

    I am definitely looking forward to hearing more about the Ethiopians! I am starved for connection to the rest of the world and history. It's like... we are meant to be connected or something.

    • @veilofreality
      @veilofreality 2 года назад +4

      As someone whose been attracted by everything foreign and exotic for basically all his life, I can tell you that the cultures we all come from (if you are American, Canadian or Australian that is your ancestor's culture), also hold a lot of hidden treasures, that much too often we haven't really taken the time to unearth yet.

  • @juliepaine532
    @juliepaine532 2 года назад +29

    This sparked so much JOY in me!!! I think of our Thursday hymns that lift up the work of the apostles,”Their voices have gone out into all the earth and their words to the ends of the world!”

  • @merebhayl5826
    @merebhayl5826 2 года назад +33

    Wow, I was *Really shocked* when you talked about the byzantine story about the prophecised emperor at the end.
    I have never thought it being something that prominent in people around that area too. Because that is a very significant and even defining prophecy of the entire Ethiopian history. Even the most famous emperor of Ethiopia Emperor Tewodros(Theodore) II that united modern Ethiopia was influenced by this prophecy to the extent of changing his name from "Kasa" to "Tewodros(Theodore)", the name that the prophecised comming emperor is thought have. He also did it to make people believe he is the uniting king prophecized, since this was a very powerful and widely known prophecy in the Ethiopian christians. The fact that Dn. Enoch hasn't heard much about is because he has lived all his life in US, and the church keeps this in silence since many people get easily carried away and misled rather than focusing on salvation, just like the deciples were carried away and always asking Jessus about his coming and the end of time.
    This is a very significant prophecy that is written in many books since thousands of years. This interestingly also includes a Roman book named "Prophecy/Vision of Sabela" that told the story of 100 people having the same dream revelation in one night in Rome, and a prophet named "Sabela" interpreting their dreams, which described the worst calamity that is yet to come and the emperor from Ethiopia that would restore God's kingdom and righteousness to the world.
    as stated in the book of Uriel (dirsane urael in amharic), Ezra Sutuel, during his conversation with the angel Uriel was told a lot of details about this prophecy from the angel too. Father Heriacos (I don't remember his name in English), a bishop from Constantinople was the one who sent this book containing this conversation to Ethiopia to be translated to geez, and the book is now called "Dirsane Urael". This prophecy is also well stated in the book "Vision of sinoda(shinoda)", an Egyptian father that saw a vision of all this.
    Before the Islamic invasion of Egypt, a martyr named Fiktor had also spoken of this prophecy when christians in Egypt were heartbroken when they heard the prophecy that all churches in that area would be destroyed by an invading religion. he spoke of the emperor's prophecy to condole them about what is to come after the islamic invasion, he told them the emperor would himself step on that land and restore christianity as never before. After this prophecy, the Islamic invasion did happen, and what is awaited is the rise of the christian emperor.
    Even in Islam, the quran states that the stone of mecca will be destroyed by an Ethiopian. They call him "Zul-Suwayqatayn" and states it will signify the end times.
    But I want to stress that this is not a prophecy about the end of the world. But rather one of the prophecies that happen before comming of Jessus. such as the brief period of peace of thousand years stated in rev:19 (I believe its most related to this one), the rise of the anti christ, war of gog magog,... I believe it is in sequence with them, though I don't know where it could be.

    • @yohannes6434
      @yohannes6434 2 года назад +1

      This was well written and explained, thank you for sharing. I have heard of the lists of books you mentioned that recited this same prophecy. The Islam one took be by surprise. This is indeed an interesting topic. Do you believe the emergence of this Emperor is near?

    • @merebhayl5826
      @merebhayl5826 2 года назад +8

      @@yohannes6434 Yeah, there are numerous other books that talk about this. But about the time of the happening, I don't think there can be any clear timeline for that (only God knows). And it's for that reason that this is kept silent in the Ethiopian church, and the church wants to suppress any discussion on this. Since attempts are seen to exploit this, and many misleading things have been said about the time.
      Though I can only be sure that I can't ever be sure about the time, many fathers have implied the current war has a significant meaning in the timeline. In fact, almost everyone in Ethiopia has been hearing about a coming war, hunger, and pandemic since 30 years ago, and especially since 5 years ago. Some fathers had also called for storage pest resistant crops and salt to be stored at the monasteries. And the pandemic hit first which no one had any expectation of, then the war, and hunger is starting through all this.
      Though there has been war in every generation in Ethiopia, This one has been the deadliest in the entire Ethiopian history. This is because of the ethnic color of the war which has made it a matter of every citizen forcing everyone to be is a fighter and a target. And believe me, since I am there, there is no near end to it, this is just a fragment of what is yet to come. There is no reconcilable cause or negotiable term, since It's all ethnic and even more other ethnic clashes are rising. With the hundreds of millions killed until now, Sadly facts state that it's only the beginning.
      All this seems to match to the war described in the prophecies with all its looks. And many fathers that have never met betfore, including Aba ze wengel have said there will be a renaissance of Ethiopia spiritually and as a God's strong kingdom after this.
      I personally believe this is the case and have been preparing with redemption and prayers since they began to speak.
      I don't dare say I am (or even can be) sure about the time, but am ready to accept anything that God brings, while making preparation with repentance and prayers as our fathers have been crying to do so.

    • @yohannes6434
      @yohannes6434 2 года назад +1

      ​@@merebhayl5826 I actually come to know this prophecy about two years ago. Especially when word got around that Aba Ze wengel passed away.
      I found this summarized post on the prophecy recently. Let me know what your thought is on this.
      ፠ መስከረም 19/ 2012 (September 29, 2019) የመስቀለ ክርስቶስ ቤተክርስቲያን ሰርተው አጠናቀዋል/ Aba Ze wengel finished building Meskele Christos Church.
      ፠ንጉስ ቴዎድሮስ የሚያርፍበት መሆኑን ተናግረዋል::It is said, this church will be where King Theodor will rest as Aba Zewengel stated.
      ፠ 2012: 2013: 2014 ለኢትዮጵያ የምጥ ዘመ ብለዋል/ 2019-21/22 will be the worst years for Ethiopia as there will be war/famine/disease etc in a big scale
      ★ የዓለም ሃገራት በጦርነት ይጠፋፋሉ/Counties all over the world will be destroyed due to war
      ★ በድርቅና በርሃብ ፍጡራን ይጠፋፋሉ/There will be a great Famine that will vanquish the human race
      ★ ውኀ የሰውን ልጅ ታጠፋለች/Water will also wipe out humanity
      ★ አሜሪካ አውሮፓና እስያ በውሃ
      ይዋጣሉ/America, Europe and Asia will drown in water
      ★ ስደት ወደ ኢትዮጵያ ይሆናል/People will flee in Ethiopia(EDIT my translation, it may be incorrect here)
      ★ በቅዱስ ላሊበላ ጸሎት ከዋግ ከቤላ
      ተራራ ከላስታ
      ★ ቅዱስ ሚካኤል ተከዜ ድረስ ያሉ
      ሕዝቦች ያተርፋል
      ★ 2015 ዘመነ ሉቃስ ንጉሱ ይመጣል/2022/23 The King will be revealed in 2022/23 which will be called the year of Luke in accordance with the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church calendar
      ★ ለሳምንት ዝናብ ይመጣል/There will be rain for 1 week
      ★ ለሳምንት ዝናብ ይዘንባል/and it will rain for a week
      ★ የፈሰሰውንም ደም አጥቦ ያስወግዳል/And it will wash away all the blood that was spilled
      ★ ምድር ትባረካለች/And the earth will be blessed
      ★የተረፉ ሰዎች እርስ በእርስ ይፈቃቀራሉ/The people that survived will love one another
      ★ጠማማ ሰው አይኖርም/There will be no crooked person
      ★ ንጉሱ 40 ዓመት በፍቅር ይመራል/The king will rule for 40 years in love and harmony
      2056 ሃሳዊ መሲሁ ይነሳል/In 2056 which would be 2061/62 in Gregorian Calendar; The Antichrist will rise
      በአፋቸው እሳት የሚያወጡ ጅራታቸው እንደ እባብ የሚናደፍ ከወገባቸው በላይ ሰው የሚመስሉ ከወገባቸው በታች ግን አንበሳ የሚመስል ንጉሱ እስክንድር የዘጋባቸውን ማኅተም አፍርሰው አስፈሪ ፍጡራን ይመጣሉ:: በመጨረሻም እርስ በእርስ ይጠፋፋሉ ::
      እግዚአብሔር ከሚመጣው መቅሰፍት
      ይሰውረን።
      This prophecy has been circulating the past few years on social media, This was why I asked you about if the arrival of the said king is near per your resources. Plus this are very scary if all the said prophecies are to come true in the order it is written. I am 18 years old, entering adulthood, and I don't want to think of this as the future because this is pure apocalypse even though there might be a good ending, It is very troubling especially if my heart is not where God wants me to be. Lord Jesus have Mercy on us! Holy Mother of God, intercede for us!

    • @alixix
      @alixix 2 года назад

      Sounds cool

    • @a.nassralla8837
      @a.nassralla8837 2 года назад +5

      As a fellow Coptic believer, I remember reading this "vision of Shenoute" many years ago, and the significant role of the Ethiopian nation in it. I dont remember much from it, but that it was spectacular and mysterious. Today, I imagine if I looked up St. Shenouda's prophecy, I will be able to find it again, but I am glad to hear that Ethiopians are well aware of this as well.

  • @elyudekrane15
    @elyudekrane15 2 года назад +8

    Ethiopian Orthodox is mesmerizing.

  • @paxnorth7304
    @paxnorth7304 2 года назад +30

    Oh man, I was kind of hoping this conversation would happen. Elias is pretty amazing.

    • @werqzeleke2815
      @werqzeleke2815 Год назад

      Ethiopians don't answer surnames but first names when being addressed so his name is Henok not Elias.

  • @OmarNoeTseretelinoe
    @OmarNoeTseretelinoe 2 года назад +26

    You should invite someone from Georgian Orthodox Church

    • @loveandmercy9664
      @loveandmercy9664 2 года назад +3

      Georgia is one of the most interesting and rad countries!!! I'm sure an episode on Queen Tamar would be interesting.

  • @ReynaSingh
    @ReynaSingh 2 года назад +24

    Interesting conversation. Keep it up

  • @johnanon9907
    @johnanon9907 2 года назад +19

    Will you interview Dean Arnold, author of "Unknown Empire: The True Story of Mysterious Ethiopia and the Future Ark of Civilization?" That book got me fascinated about Ethiopia.

  • @jf8908
    @jf8908 2 года назад +13

    Thanks!

  • @XereNak
    @XereNak 2 года назад

    Yes for part 2!!!! This is amazing.

  • @MatthiasPendragon
    @MatthiasPendragon 2 года назад +1

    This is astounding! Please post more!

  • @DanHowardMtl
    @DanHowardMtl 2 года назад

    Fascinating guys! Thanks!

  • @Vesuya
    @Vesuya 2 года назад +1

    Absolutely wonderful episode!

  • @bsahle
    @bsahle 2 года назад +4

    Thanks for doing this.

  • @Krentiles
    @Krentiles 2 года назад +3

    I love this. Keep going!

  • @joelgirma7533
    @joelgirma7533 2 года назад +1

    please continue with a part 2 big fan of both channels

  • @thecryingshame
    @thecryingshame 2 года назад +5

    Fantastic interview!

  • @nickimontie
    @nickimontie 2 года назад +1

    This was very interesting. Thank you!

  • @matthewturgeon2048
    @matthewturgeon2048 2 года назад +5

    Another good one Jonathan!! 👍

  • @vo2897
    @vo2897 Год назад +1

    Way to go Jonathan!!!! I've been interested in this amazing topic !
    Quite pleased that you're facilitating !
    Thank You.

  • @mjkelly9999
    @mjkelly9999 2 года назад +3

    Excellent, Looking forward to parts 2, 3 and...

  • @aviendhabntbshr
    @aviendhabntbshr 2 года назад +11

    Another vote for part 2! I would love to hear more from this end of the Orthodox world.

  • @rasrepent
    @rasrepent Год назад +2

    Wow please please do a part 2 or this conversation. Amazing.

  • @zachtrix8428
    @zachtrix8428 2 года назад +1

    Simply loved this. I echo the other comments- part two would be wonderful!

  • @mahonrimartins1767
    @mahonrimartins1767 2 года назад +2

    So far the most beautiful intro ever.

  • @aaronreimer1869
    @aaronreimer1869 Год назад +2

    Wow, Watching right now, this is so good. Thank you for doing this!!

  • @bereketeabteshome8126
    @bereketeabteshome8126 2 года назад +6

    this was absolutely interesting ad informative conversation thank you for inviting Dn. Henok

  • @sosinaayalew6219
    @sosinaayalew6219 Год назад +1

    Thank you very much! I learned a lot from the interview about my beloved church ❤❤❤

  • @twoheadedboy1945
    @twoheadedboy1945 2 года назад +7

    Would loved to have heard Henok’s quibbles with the original episodes. More please!

  • @organicdelights6049
    @organicdelights6049 2 года назад +5

    This is amazing!!!

  • @robertofranciscomonsalvesp8080
    @robertofranciscomonsalvesp8080 2 года назад +1

    Enlightened talk!

  • @JumbaGumba
    @JumbaGumba 2 года назад +3

    Part 2 !!!! Ethiopia is fascinating

  • @tigistchefessa9740
    @tigistchefessa9740 Год назад

    Fascinating conversation ❤

  • @doobaa
    @doobaa Год назад +6

    Can you please continue this conversation? This is so informative.

  • @NornIronMan.
    @NornIronMan. 2 года назад +5

    Fantastic podcast Jonathan. I really would love to visit Ethiopia now and see some of these places and things first hand.

  • @1holyblack
    @1holyblack 2 года назад +1

    More Please!

  • @TheKideza
    @TheKideza 2 года назад +3

    God bless you Jonathan

  • @mahitibeb5785
    @mahitibeb5785 2 года назад +2

    thank you Dr Henok for perfectly explained about the Abnet school/church school

  • @Xestra37490
    @Xestra37490 5 месяцев назад

    I’m so happy to have found you. What a blessing.
    May god bless you!
    🙏🏼🎄

  • @zachw4228
    @zachw4228 2 года назад +3

    This was so fascinating, thank you both for your time! I would love to see a part 2 of this conversation!

  • @orthodoxarmenian
    @orthodoxarmenian 6 месяцев назад +1

    Fantastic conversation. Deacon Henok is a light within the Orthodox community.

  • @itsnahombereket
    @itsnahombereket 2 года назад +9

    I've been waiting for this. Loved the conversation. Hopefully, more parts will follow. God bless you both.

  • @carolflower9672
    @carolflower9672 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this Very Informative video

  • @shari6063
    @shari6063 2 года назад +2

    Part two please! And I’m sure you could do a part three and a part four! Would love to hear more about the Canon.

  • @mitchell9959
    @mitchell9959 2 года назад +9

    two of my favorite channels, awesome

  • @jessicaless6769
    @jessicaless6769 2 года назад +3

    Very interesting

  • @thetyrantofsyracuse
    @thetyrantofsyracuse 2 года назад +10

    Glad to see you guys finally chat!!

  • @ReaganLodge
    @ReaganLodge 2 года назад +2

    Freakin fascinating interview!

  • @SempreGumby
    @SempreGumby 2 года назад +3

    Fantastic Conversation...looking up Issac the Syrian. Link to the book you mentioned?
    Edit: Crikey! I watch this video and then Ethiopia literally comes apart at the seams. Trying to understand what is going on there...perhaps get you Dn. Henok Elias back on to talk about it would help. I don't trust the corporate media one iota.

  • @MatthiasAmare23
    @MatthiasAmare23 3 месяца назад

    As an Ethiopian this has been an extremely interesting conversation to follow. Thank you Deacon Henok and Jonathan. Looking forward to part 2.

  • @georgioiopelan169
    @georgioiopelan169 2 года назад +3

    Absolutely beautiful. Deacon Henok (great to meet you!) brings gentle, deep, sacred, learned realness, PLUS Pageau's deeply iconic nomadicism;) (i see 3 meanings!) is priceless. Hey, new topic idea: Russian Manly Orthodox Revival info is new!, how does it combine with Ethiopian Revival? What can we expect? And do we all now understand why the DS is so obsessed with destroying Russia?!

  • @hobbsmatt
    @hobbsmatt Месяц назад

    Would love a part 2 with Dn Henok. Maybe with Rohlin next time!

  • @guitaralchemist2689
    @guitaralchemist2689 2 года назад +5

    I learned a lot from this beautiful conversation. Please continue with part 2. Keep up the amazing Ethiopian Orthodox talks. I'd love to hear a conversation on the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees. Thanks again!

  • @mahitibeb5785
    @mahitibeb5785 2 года назад +7

    its not easy to simply understand the Ethiopian orthodox church/ its one of the very first original christians

  • @spearshaker7974
    @spearshaker7974 2 года назад +1

    I just seen a bunch of Ethiopians standing up to soldiers to protect the church that holds the arc glad it’s still there.

  • @lGalaxisl
    @lGalaxisl 2 года назад +3

    Lovely conversation, would love to hear more of Dn. Henok Elias!

    • @PhilosophyofArtandScience
      @PhilosophyofArtandScience 2 года назад +2

      here ruclips.net/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/видео.html

    • @lGalaxisl
      @lGalaxisl 2 года назад +1

      @@PhilosophyofArtandScience thanks Dn. Henok :)

  • @pedrorodriguez464
    @pedrorodriguez464 Год назад +1

    WOW!!! This was such a GREAT interview. It was very interesting, inspiring, instructive, and illuminating. I'm very interested in learning more about Ethiopian Orthodox spirituality . Maybe have Deacon Henok Elias or Deacon Dawit Muluneh (Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church) on your program to discuss Ethiopian Orthodox view on Scriptures, Atonement/ The Cross, Theology, Hell, Confession, Spiritual Formation / Discipleship, and available English Resources written by Ethiopian Orthodox?? (9/17/22)

  • @ButSeriouslyThough
    @ButSeriouslyThough 2 года назад +11

    This was amazing! May Christ our Lord bless Ethiopia and preserve His people. I would like to know what is the rationale behind the ark being in Ethiopia after having been accidentally smuggled in by the son of Solomon, as the writings of the prophets make clear that the ark in Jerusalem really had the divine presence (therefore not being a fake) which left soon before the Babylonians destroyed the kingdom of Judah. Plus, for the rest of the Orthodox world, per 2 Maccabees, Jeremiah hid the ark from the Babylonians. Also, I would like to know more about some major Ethiopian texts that are part of the broader canon (like the Ethiopian Clementine epistles) or are extra-canonical (like the Book of the Rooster).

  • @cidklutch
    @cidklutch 2 года назад +4

    Love all of the convos! keep it up!

  • @hunivan7672
    @hunivan7672 2 года назад +7

    God bless Ethiopia. I did not know that you guys were under US opression as well, but Im glad you are becoming free.

  • @karas3248
    @karas3248 2 года назад +6

    Dcn Henok continues to blow my mind with his knowledge

  • @Jeronimo_de_Estridao
    @Jeronimo_de_Estridao 2 года назад +8

    If you guys made a part 2, please talk about the use and influence of the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees in the theology, liturgy etc., of the tewahedo church.

    • @PhilosophyofArtandScience
      @PhilosophyofArtandScience 2 года назад +1

      we missed that, but maybe for part 3. here's part deux ruclips.net/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/видео.html

  • @kgrant67
    @kgrant67 2 года назад +3

    So I thought drama during worship was just an evangelical thing. Liturgical plays? Love it!

  • @biruktekle2126
    @biruktekle2126 2 года назад +2

    ask him about the four schools and how they learn and master it plus how the monks llive(their food shelter)

  • @ibelieve3111
    @ibelieve3111 6 месяцев назад

    Thanks

  • @Bella11264
    @Bella11264 2 года назад +1

    Part 2 please!!!

  • @rayonreid4391
    @rayonreid4391 Год назад +6

    I am Jamaican and I have been spreading Enoch gospel everywhere I go

  • @edenani
    @edenani 9 месяцев назад +2

    @JonathanPageau I would love to see you have Dr.Meskerem Lechisa on as your guest. I'm sure she has some very interesting things to share about Ethiopia and related prophesies etc. I think that will be an interesting conversation if it happens. She has a RUclips channel called Utopia but it's all in Amharic. I'm not sure if she has English content that you can look at. But this episode was 🔥 Thank you!

  • @hmkzosimaskrampis3185
    @hmkzosimaskrampis3185 2 года назад +3

    The one thing that we have as prepared and once delivered is the sermon. Not nearly as stylized of course...
    The Serbians have family saints and village saints
    We have the 40 day fast before Nativity, the Mary holiday, the connected Nativity and Theophany feasts, the one day fast before Theophany, etc... These are ancient traditions common to all of us

  • @klieben9942
    @klieben9942 Год назад

    I like to add that the chanting and melody inside of the church partitions (priests standing on different levels of the church) by the minor priests and the continuous exchange of poetry like scripture recitation of glorifying the names and doings of God, including the use of the incenses and the cistra has its origin in the interior of ancient Israelite temple by the levites.

  • @hellomate639
    @hellomate639 Год назад +4

    This makes the Lion of Judah ring I got from my grandparents (a gift to my grandfather as a wedding present) even more impressive... I didn't realize that the monarchy was that old.
    I need to know more now... My grandma is from Asmara, so what is now Eritrea, and that lineage is Tigrinya.
    I think what's also funny is that I always felt like I was an oddball and like my mom is also an oddball, but I think the more I learn about Eritrea and Ethiopia, the more a lot of my stuff makes sense, particularly the philosophical meshing of art, science and philosophy, and really having this tendency to not see these things at ends with each other even from a very early age. I think my grandma described Ethiopians as such.
    I've been fascinated by learning more about the Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox churches in part because there are traditions that stretch back so far from another branch of Christianity, like it's an incredibly important aspect of it.
    My great grandma was in the Eritrean Orthodox church if I recall correctly. My grandma is Catholic (Italian, from that colonization). My dad used to be Lutheran, his parents still are, so I've got a pretty wide swath of Christianity in my background, though I'm pretty well disconnected from the Eritrean Orthodox and I was baptized in the Catholic church.
    I think the way you describe the relationship with priests kind of makes the way my grandma is with Christianity makes more sense. She always knows the priests as friends, rather than just attending Church! Hah.
    Even so... I really wish I was more connected with this part of my lineage. My grandmother kind of cut off a lot of that stuff, did stuff like straighten my mom's hair at an early age, stuff like that.

  • @JohnDanielMeyer
    @JohnDanielMeyer 2 года назад +2

    This is so cool. My concept of the body of Christ just got bigger.

  • @KH-se8pq
    @KH-se8pq 2 года назад +4

    Absolutely incredible, thank you. I would love to hear if women play any kind of a unique role in the liturgical tradition.

    • @PhilosophyofArtandScience
      @PhilosophyofArtandScience 2 года назад +4

      they play no unique role outside of ancient practice of deaconesses for baptismal aid. throughout the ages a small minority of women have become senior students and professors of the trad schools of poetry, scripture, and liturgy. today, there maybe 20 or less such professors.

    • @KH-se8pq
      @KH-se8pq 2 года назад +2

      Thanks for your reply!

  • @jessicaless6769
    @jessicaless6769 2 года назад +3

    Deacon I’d very knowledgeable

  • @v.j.l.4073
    @v.j.l.4073 Год назад +4

    I have been digging into bible translations and trying to learn about the different text families. Read tonight the a text of the septuagint was translated into Coptic in about 200 AD, making that the oldest copy available, as far as I can tell. Occurred to me that the Ethiopian scriptures might be the oldest we have, yet nobody is talking about that. It's all about the Greek, the Latin. etc., and none are as old as 200 AD, not complete copies anyway. I am intrigued and wanting to get my hands on a copy of the ethiopian bible. Coptic and Ethiopian churches may be different. I have much to learn.

  • @fr.matthewfrancis1057
    @fr.matthewfrancis1057 2 года назад +4

    I am curious whether the tradition and practice of liturgical poetry relate historically to the development of the Kontakia, as chanted sermons, in our Byzantine tradition. In the Ethiopian tradition, this practice seems to have been retained.

  • @tinamelaku5267
    @tinamelaku5267 2 года назад +5

    This is the shortest one hour ever, I really enjoyed ur conversation. You should do this again, and say something about the cross of Jesus Christ.

  • @joshuasy10
    @joshuasy10 2 года назад +1

    I require more

  • @louiewop8330
    @louiewop8330 2 года назад +5

    It's Henok, like "hey" and "yolk" with an N in the middle haha otherwise love both you guys glad both worlds finally came together!🙏🏾

    • @PhilosophyofArtandScience
      @PhilosophyofArtandScience 2 года назад +1

      i anglicized the pronunciation for him to make it easier! but yes hey or hay and nok like yolk or folk.

  • @Xestra37490
    @Xestra37490 5 месяцев назад

    It’s absolutely true what he’s explaining. It’s very interesting it’s also true I can witness in my own family DNA shows over 50% Jewish heritage. That’s also true and middle eastern heritage. I think that’s why Ethiopian are Semite. Very interesting history of Ethiopian and Ethiopia.
    I hope the old culture will survive there’s a lots of influence and threats from outsiders.

  • @chantellegiardina5098
    @chantellegiardina5098 Год назад

    But for the ‘Grace of God Go I’ Is my favourite quote. Even before my journey towards Christ.

  • @ChristopherDancy
    @ChristopherDancy 2 года назад +4

    Are there any english books people can read to learn more?

  • @St.Raphael...
    @St.Raphael... 2 года назад +1

    Amen

  • @loveandmercy9664
    @loveandmercy9664 2 года назад +4

    I would love to hear him elaborate more on the tradition of Jesus and Mary during the period of the flight to Egypt and them visiting the art of the convent.

    • @PhilosophyofArtandScience
      @PhilosophyofArtandScience 2 года назад +3

      these are extrabiblical traditions that i do not know a ton about, but they make up the majority discussion of the hymns from the end of September - early Novemeber each year in a part of the Ge'ez Calendar known as Zemene Tsige (the Era/Season of the Flower). Both the Virgin Mary and the Lord Jesus are illustrated through audio and writing as flowers.

    • @loveandmercy9664
      @loveandmercy9664 2 года назад +1

      @@PhilosophyofArtandScience Another question I wanted to ask was the Ethiopian church a missionary church like the other churches? Did they venture out into other parts of africa like Rome did in Northern Europe, Byzantium in Slavic Eastern Europe, the church of the East in Persia, China and India.

    • @PhilosophyofArtandScience
      @PhilosophyofArtandScience 2 года назад +2

      @@loveandmercy9664 yes and no. ethiopia is itself a wide land filled with multiple 'nations'. the church did missionary work up to the 19th century within her territory, which included modern day yemen (but those works were quickly made null and void). in the 20th century, she expanded to Jamaica and many parts of the Caribbean through Abune Yisac who baptized Bob Marley and thousands of others. That was missionary work. Other bishops of the diaspora had just a mission to feed the flock from ethiopia that lived abroad.

    • @zyaicob
      @zyaicob 3 месяца назад

      ​@@loveandmercy9664we were hindered in our evangelism for a very very long time by the wave of Islam that swept Africa, making Ethiopia an island of Christianity. There is no true church that isn't a missionary church, as the church is built on the foundation of the prophets and the apostles, and that's the whole point

  • @user-ys6tl6po3h
    @user-ys6tl6po3h Год назад +1

    At the time of st. Romanos the hymnographer archdeacon of Beirut poetry was invented and performed during the services in Hagia Sophia☘️☦️

  • @telemarq7481
    @telemarq7481 2 года назад +5

    Never forget the mighty Eritreans!!

  • @matheusmotta1750
    @matheusmotta1750 5 месяцев назад +1

    May the Ethiopian Church reunite with the Orthodox Church.

    • @irispihema462
      @irispihema462 4 месяца назад

      Nope may the Ethiopians lead

  • @mattroorda2871
    @mattroorda2871 2 года назад +2

    Love the reference to Lord of the Rings. If you're not careful, Jonathan, you may get sucked into the Ancient Faith Cinematic Universe

    • @MangyPL
      @MangyPL 2 года назад

      Too late for that