Fallout is Back! | Dropped Frames Episode 386
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- Опубликовано: 20 апр 2024
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Cohh has had a lot more time to catch up on other visual mediums and we have a lot to say about the newest video game adaptation: Fallout! Keanu Reeves joining the Sonic the Hedgehog universe, Ubisoft locks up Jabba the Hutt & 7 Days to Die enters 1.0 after 12 years of development! We also praise the BAFTA game awards for being exactly what we want for industry award shows. In games we've been playing No Rest for the Wicked, Rise of the Ronin, Planet Crafter and more!
8:30 - Watching TV
10:00 - Fallout TV series discussion
40:00 - Upcoming video game adaptations
45:00 - Keanu Reeves is playing Shadow the Hedgehog
51:10 - Jabba the Hutt locked up
56:00 - Kingdomcome Deliverance 2
1:05:30 - The BAFTAs
1:13:00 - Hades 2 Technical Test
1:14:00 - 7 Days to Die entering 1.0
1:21:00 - Cities Skylines 2 still busted
1:30:30 - Triple I Showcase
1:40:00 - World of Warcraft FOMO
1:48:00 - Tipping devs?
1:54:10 - No Rest for the Wicked
2:08:00 - Steam Reviews
2:34:00 - Rise of the Ronin
2:40:00 - Planet Crafter
2:49:00 - Manor Lords
2:52:30 - Shoutouts
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Regarding the Brotherhood, it's important to keep in mind that they aren't a monolith - the Lyons' Brotherhood in FO3 for example were good guys concerned with protecting people. The Maxson-led Brotherhood of FO4 only cared about technology and saw the synths as a threat. The BoS has been shown to have lots of breakaway fiefdoms with their own focuses, aligned by the basic goal of acquiring and controlling technology.
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BoS has several factions within itself though, they lived long enough, and became big enough to have lots of issues.
Fallout New Vegas even touches on this, with Caesar stating that Brotherhood scribes captured and interrogated further east don't even have a complete understanding of their own foundational history.
@@Girder3 There are even Vaults that experiment with factions being created. The thought that a post nuke faction would spread nation wide in 200 years and NOT change ideals, or have splinter factions all over the place is laughable. We cant even manage to keep steady ideologies in the real world for 200 years with single factions.
Oh, for sure. BOS has some massive issues, FO3 has the outcasts and main BOS groups and both are at odds with California.
The BoS is a HOT mess and people(wastelanders) need heroes, and they’re easy to turn into a religion…
The show made BoS kinda lame? except the last assault, like they came of as very religious but not strongly devout in the members, it felt like everyone trying to be a squire were picked up from the streets and they joined just for the benefits, also it seemed very corrupt with priests abusing their powers.
but the biggest lame part were the "knights" like the guy we saw that died early, he did not seem devout at all and acted like a street kid instead of someone that trained with discipline.
i just played a bit of each FO game and i saw BoS almost like space marines with how strong they were and the offensive tech they had but after the show, that Brotherhood seems fragmented and very fragile.
That is just pure copium. BoS was decently represented in 3. The problem is that 4 needed a techno villain competing with synths and that is what new BoS is. There is a clear line break.
The tipping culture is probably the worst thing that you could possibly incorporate into the games industry, or in any industry really.
I mean supporters the devs do exist but they are for indie devs and it makes sense to support smaller devs, But it’s funny hearing it from a ex CEO saying that
@@Justin-ee1mv What I found funny about the tweet, is that no blizzard games were listed there. As to why he did that, he probably is going to a company that has brought this up and he's surfacing it in social media to see what's the take on it.
I feel like cohh has the brotherhood progression backwards? Feels like they are returning more to how they originally were in the original games
The Brotherhood of Steel stuff feels more like that saying of "Live long enough to see yourself become the bad guys."
Even if it's unexplained, really over time any good thing can become bad depending on who is at the helm.
That's exactly what happened with the BoS and the Enclave in the Fallout games. The idea behind both seemed to have started out okay but then leadership changed.
They were never exactly "good guys" to begin with.
@@nanoflower1 yup, many people forget that time changes everything. Leaders grow old, old ideas gets rejected by new leaders, and power always corrupts.
All it takes is 1 leader that decided that they want to become rulers of the Wasteland and put those that has the same ideology into other leadership positions and you will get a brand new BOS within 30 years. Especially when there is a lack of communication among people, might be even quicker when you are militaristic faction to start with. Then make the leadership change hands a few more times and you get the new BOS as is.
They felt like a corrupt cult in the show.
Disagree with cohh on the brotherhood.. Brotherhood were just like the show in 1 and 2. 3 and 4 the brotherhood were more goody goody help people. Cohh remember how they just use you in 1and in nv they were just worthless.
I've always viewed them as different Chapters basically or taking place during different decades with different leadership involved. Fallout 3 really established that Lyons basically broke away from the original Brotherhood and wanted to actually help people. That said, I wasn't a fan of the way the Brotherhood was portrayed in the show as the tone was all over the place. Sometimes they were played for laughs, sometimes they were trying to make them look like a serious threat, sometimes they were just plain incompetent. Pick something and stick with it lol.
The BoS being useless in NV makes sense as they had just lost a costly war with the NCR.
@@SemiDogetrue the brotherhood were just hiding out like rats in a sewer, I didn’t even know they were in the game until I sprinted past deathclaw hell.
lol the brotherhood of steel has literally never been portrayed consistently in any of the games. It’s not just Bethesda, even interplay had a bunch of inconsistencies.
Tipping should be bloody illegal. As they said on the show. Pay your fuggin staff a living wage! (and if you like a game so much buy a 2nd copy or something else theyv'e worked on)
Yea Cohh has no idea what’s he’s talking about when it comes to the BoS and their portrayal in all the games. They weren’t good guys in the older games and they definitely had problems but they aren’t necessarily bad either
My take on the early Brotherhood of Steel is that they were basically space marines, they were overly righteous with the mantra "for the greater good" which over time deteriorated to a place where morality was a secondary to any other paradigm. And we killed their leader in the first or second game if i'm not misremembering. and after that with the third game, they were having trouble with recruitment and they started taking anyone. in 4 it's a shell of what they were and they're just idiots in armor.
Does this sound right to anyone with better lore insight?
I'm not all that familiar with the BoS in FO1 and 2. I do know that the group in FO3 is a completely different group.
Elder Owen Lyons led the group in FO3, and when he saw the issues the residents of the Capital Wasteland(DC) were going through, ie rampant slavery, murderous mercenaries, Super Mutant attacks, etc. Lyons made protecting the people of the CW a priority higher than finding and procuring pre-war tech.
This decision resulted in the High Elders of the West Coast to cut support with Lyons and his East Coast Detachment. This decision also led some members to desert Lyons, calling themselves the Outcast BoS.
The loss of support from the West Coast and desertion of some members forced Lyons to start recruiting ordinary wastelanders.
By the time of Fallout 4, Lyons had passed away. Aurther Maxson, decendant of Roger Maxson, the founder of the Brotherhood of Steel, became Elder and re-established contact with the West Coast.
He re-prioritized finding and procuring pre-war tech as being more important. This decision led the Outcasts to rejoin, but it also had the effect of causing those members that supported Lyons to desert.
@@GBRyker61 Feel like my thumbs up doesn't cut it, kudos on a great comment! This is exactly the kind of answer i was hoping for! =)
As for anyone else reading:
If anyone can expand more on the BoS from 1 and 2 i would love that.
My memory on it is spotty at best.
My initial comment was more about how i perceived the BoS from 1-4 and the overarching impression, but without the actual lore and reasoning.
@@Dinostra It's been a long time since I played FO1 & 2, so forgive me if I get anything factually incorrect, but my take on the Brotherhood from FO1 is that they were an isolationist faction primarily concerned with scavenging and preserving pre war tech. The Brotherhood was the last salvage of humanity and so they felt like that tech was best left in their hands. When they killed super mutants it's because they were a threat to their safety and because mutants were beneath them, not necessarily for the benefit of other people. It's a subtle distinction and one that paints the Brotherhood in a more neutral light. I think there's a Brotherhood member who even believed that they didn't have to hunt super mutants as they were sterile, so they could simply outlive them. I believe the leadership moved on to a more proactive philosophy after the events in FO1.
Nice to see the increase players for all the fallout games
Picture your day... every day... you had to give a presentation for 6 hours.
Yeah... It's called TEACHING XD And when not presenting a teacher is babysitting "chat" (aka the students). I wonder who is more a pain in the ass... twitch chat or a classroom of IRL teens.
Yeah I feel like the backlash regarding the Hasan thing isn't really due to "streaming isn't hard", but mostly due to lots of people simply having a much much shittier job. I have 9 to 6 office job and what streamer does seems way harder than what I have to do for my job, and I would choose my job over Hasan's job any day.
please add timestamps back 🥺
Timestamps on the video don't appear to be working. Looks like there might need to be a "0:00" timestamp as the first timestamp in order for them to load properly on the video timeline.
Imagine if devs had to get a patrion page while working for a corporation.
alright chat, imagine, instead of the idea of TIPPING the devs directly- WUT IF, the CEOs and suits being paid tens of millions doing jack shit all except firing employees, are paid less and the devs are just paid more.... Thoughts?
entry-level game developers can make plenty of money when working for a large company. the only reason the industry is struggling is because of the ridiculous investments being made into some of these games.
@@foreignuser_ Yeah,games now take 6 years to make and are made in a huge environment, with too many developers to properly communicate and rife with bureaucracy.
That's why it takes months for problems that could have been fixed in weeks to be solved, too much corporate bullshit.
It also doesn't help that a lot of publishers went in on the GaaS bullshit,it reminds me of the "gold rush" to make the next World of Warcraft after that hit it big.
PagMan good episode with good discussion
kingdom come deliverance is one of the best rpgs ever made
KCD sequel was always in the works
Zek looks out of bed in the start...love it. :)
7 days to die is NOT going to be a 1.0, full release game in June.
The literaly only reason they are announcing it as being 1.0 is to be able to sell the console version 45$, and raise the price on the PC version as well.
The REAL 1.0 is End of 2025.. and thats according to their "roadmap". There's no way everything on that roadmap is out by the end of the next year.
No Rest For The Wicked has the feel like it was developed by the Trine devs, Frozenbyte.
I've gotten to the end of Planet Crafters, would love to come on and talk about it sometime!
Just watched the fallout show, really good
Pog what a good episode w
On the tipping thing. I'd say DLC is the tipping. Generally DLC is 1/6-1/3rd the cost of the game for about 1/8th to 1/4th the content.
Been playing fallout 3 and fallout 1 love em
Yea, I've been suggesting New Vegas > Fallout 3 > Fallout 1+2 over even bothering touching 4 and 76. They're both the worst of Fallout.
@@nokturnallex2160 Why not play new vegas last instead of first so you don't go from good to bad?
@@Leo-ds6lzif you like the best fallout you can decide if you have appetite for worse variants.
I dont even stream and i 100% have a social battery, and its got like half the capacity of a normal persons
Pretty much, being an introvert this felt too close to home to just disparage hasan for specifically that. I do have a lot of gripes with him, but that specifically is not one of them.
It seems most of the conversation on the topic was sidetracked to "hasan said streaming is harder than a regular 9-5 job" and that's not what he said nor meant. People just have a hard-on for hasan hate and that's about it. Just like how a big chunk of the wow community on reddit/social media hate asmongold for most of his wow takes (to which I agree on some) or how people hate on amouranth for the content she does aand then say "if you don't want to get harassed or stalked, then change your content".
People are presented with an actual problem/situation and instead of addressing it and provide solutions, people instead dismiss the point or say "it may be a real thing, but I won't agree with it because the person who says it I dislike, so they don't deserve my empathy nor should anything change or be put in place to fix these issues". All in all the usual self centered internet dwellers who only care about themselves.
So Cohh has issues with the way the Brotherhood of Steel changed over time but doesn't have issues with what happened with the Minutemen. Though at least with the Minutemen the story is told within just Fallout 4 where they start out good, turn bad and then have to be rebuilt.
Good show fellas! Super stoked the Fallout series was a success and not a complete bomb like I expected. Picked up Fallout 4 afterwards for $5 on steam for my 1st PC playthrough. Crushed it on consoles.
Jacked J.K Simmons would make a great old kratos
44$ for 7days to die?! LMAO yeah, nah no thanks. I'll wait for a %50+ on sale.
I thought the FPS scene in that DOOM movie was pretty well done and felt like a good scene.
7 days to die seems to have their funds running dry so now they just straight up releasing it with a price increase, cant believe its releasing 1.0 in a bare state.
Edit: Felt like the halo show stumbled so the other game adaptations could run.
One fan thory for the BoS issue is that this faction of the BoS is being influenced by the Legion.
thats just dumb
Or Zeke, you could stream in speedos, sweaty and glistering
Time stamps ?
Woo 7 days to die story mode in q4 2025
Hugely against the idea of any form of tipping.
The way the game development landscape is, with the lack of Union protection, 1 of 2 things would happen.
1. CEOs pocket the tips through the company as bonuses.
2. Game developers lose any "Game launch bonuses" (if they got any to begin with), or get a pay-cut as the "tips" would become an excuse that they are over-payed.
Most C-level executives are already bad at handling the Gaming scene as is, without any form of oversight and regulations.
The only time I would consider "tipping", is through donations, and only to small time devs and indies, cause they likely need the money more than any Triple-A company that is already overworking their ground floor employees, while under paying them.
To be honest, if you enjoy something a lot and feel the need to support the developers further, just buy more copies of their games, share them with your friends.
as a kid I'd read PC gamer mags front to back every page.
Steam reviews should be called player/community voice/comments.
Steam could do what amazon does very easily and have an ai generated 'people say x'
On the tipping game devs thing. Isn't that the whole point of cosmetics, etc? I know a TON of people who only buy those things because they want to further support the devs.
Problems arise when you dig into where that money actually goes though. If you're that passionate, contact the devs and buy them a gift card or something.
Tipping culture started as a good idea, and was twisted by this perverse machine.
The tweet speaks volumes about how disconnected some of them are from the average consumer.
I'm glad Fallout 76 got better. I always want a game to be good but I'm seeing a whole lot of cope out there. A whole lot of revisionist history out there on the internet. I seen a bunch of people talking bout "Well ackshually 76 was never 'bad' per se....". C'mon man.
I dislike the idea of giving a tip even to the people "in the tranches". Just pay them a living wage, don't put this on consumers.
The only problem I had with the Fallout show was Magnus. The writers couldn’t figure out if he was a hero, coward, or just an idiot constantly failing forward. I had zero empathy for him. The actor tried his best, but they didn’t give him anything to work with.
In regards to the depiction of the Brotherhood, I just look at it as a religion having different factions that interpret their mission differently. That certainly has historical precedent.
No chapters?
Steam reviews should be called "impressions" which can then be potentially separated out into "Early" "Mid" & "Post" impressions based on how far in to the game they are.
Rise of the Ronin is my GOTY so far ( im yet to complete P3 & Like a dragon Infinite wealth, so that might change. Also i'm done with DD 2 after 10-12 hours, was pretty boring tbh).
Rise of the Ronin feels more like Ghost of Tsushima than Nioh for me.
When is the episode up on Spotify?
Rise of the Ronin is trash, it's not Nioh 3 in any way, shape or form. I love Cohh, but sometimes he needs to preface things with "I've no idea what I'm talking about, when it comes to X", cause him saying it's "basically Nioh 3" is like saying Sekiro was the next Dark Souls, which it never was.
philly philly wang wang :D:D ... on netflix
triple h (wwe) could easily play kratos.
people who drop batistas name for that role, aren't old enough to be out past dark.
Regarding no rest for the wicked getting mixed reviews,: if a player reviews it negatively because they thought it was diablo-like and not a soulslike, they clearly didn't watch more than ten seconds of info about it. That's on the player not the marketing.
I'm buying a game called blue, but it's green, devs lied, outrage! It's stupid imo
Reminds me of my colleagues buying death stranding hah
The only repair system I've enjoyed, is Fallout NV and 3 to a lesser extent.
The item's state of repair impacted its damage and defense, so a fully repaired weapon does twice what a near-broken weapon.
In NV, how far you could repair (outside of expensive vendors) was determined by your repair stat.
This effectively made repair a quasi-combat stat, which I found really interesting.
Kingdom come is great. You are totally wrong jp 😂
The world JP wants to live in is called europe
muricans are so strange
didnt he move into that house like 2 years ago?
and dindt even finish some rooms
Are you okay? He's been living in this house for half a decade.
Multiple shows have started and ended in this house lol
The Fallout series made me, like many, dust off my old PS4 copy of Fallout 4. I installed it, with all the DLCs, only to have it crash immediately every time I'd try to start the game. I looked it up, and apparently this game breaking bug has been there for years without being fixed. Otherwise known as the true Bethesda experience. Maybe in season 2 of the show they'll have background characters randomly T pose.
They have a major patch release planned for this upcoming week so hopefully that bug will be fixed for you.
comparing bautista to keanu reeves reminds me how cohh should stick to games @43:15
i dont disagree with the take though, they are both very hit and miss in their roles.
@@SilentSun94 they are not on the same level. bautista is an mma fighter or wwe right? he's a really bad actor
@@Barbabonbon He was yes and tries to escape that Stigma, hes nowhere as bad as Cena or The Rock actingwise.
Playing Drax also didnt do him any favors and he said he regretted doing it. Hes really good in his newer Movies.
While i love Keanu, hes really bad at roles where he doesnt play his typical persona.
@@SilentSun94 name one movie in which Keanu Reeves is a bad actor.
@@SilentSun94 and it's not a stigma to point out Reeves has always been an actor from the beginning and not the other muscle man. It's just the thruth.
I've seen and have participated in tipping a stream after an epic moment or the end of a video game.
Would make sense to be able to tip the devs directly.
Might be out of date, but was always under the impression that software people were very well compensated. The issue was that they had horrendous hours. Kinda comparable to doctors, in that regard.
That said, any kind of game tipping thing would require a 3rd party entity, perhaps even a game-dev union to oversee.
Wouldn't trust a company to do it. A lot of staff leave/laid off once the game ships. A lot of studios close once a game ships.
More ideal (imo) would be unions with some kind of profit-sharing.
To Ezekiel re. buying another copy of the game. That money doesn't go to the devs, it goes to the owners and/or publishers.
The money often goes to the devs if the developer is also the publisher. You know, indie games.
By all means do a full-on personal fallout spoiler thingy - also would love to hear about several other IPs too (Bioshock? witcher? GoW? Halo?).
Im sure alot of folks would like to watch / listen to that podcast for sure!
Maybe when there are weeks where not so much happens.
I didnt even know about the controversy around the star wars game i just saw the trailer and it might have been one of the worst trailers ive seen in a while
Little correction: The best way to experience 3 Body Problem is reading the books, as good as the show is. There also is a better Chinese version of it.
F Ubisoft. I will be procuring SW Outlaws free of charge then.
Tipping is for people with too much money on their hand, you want my money? sell me a product i want.
Fromsoft is my favorite company, i would never give them a tip (money for free), i would buy every DLC ever though that they release.
Get in on the fallout games now, because I dont think theres any possible way they can get this much of a popularity spike without investors rubbing their hands together.
Transformers looks fine judging before actually watching is wrong in my personal opinion. But I guess I'm not a normal fan of things.
Cohh knows he started his night stream during covid to capitalize on lockdown. Another sweaty Cohh move
Even a begger only begs to survive to somehow screw you over in your world.
Most be exhausting to live like that.
Ah yes, how dare he work more hours.
That is literally the least shady ruthless business move to have ever been done.
I thought the Vault-Tec stuff was worse than the BoS stuff imo. Was not a fan of the whole Vault-Tec "plan". Felt like the anti-capitalism message was pushed a little too hard and didn't feel like it matched up with the lore of certain characters/organizations. Maybe the second season will change that, idk.
No Rest for the Wicked is Actually in a TERRIBLE state right now. Its mixed because the Combat is Terrible, the Movement is awful, the Falling damage is Atrocious.
I liked the Fallout show, but I really think the comedy writing fell very short. I enjoyed Johnny Pembertons character, but he's pretty much the only one that made me laugh. A lot of the scenes felt like a kids show trying too hard to be funny without a clever angle. Kinda like a comedian that thinks more loud = more funny.
true comedy was all over the place. i also didnt like tone shifts all the time. first BoS faction is shown as joke and doesnt even want to punish maximus at all then they are a threat at the end. just lame cartoon style writing
I mean, I'm not sure Cohhs dumb or what? but pubg having lore is way more believable then just dance having lore. lol, I mean apex legend has lore and a "story" so why wouldn't pubg?
If you want to TIP a developer...buy their game again and gift it to somebody. Jeez. People overthink things.
Zeke said it. Hooray for Zeke!
Damn, wanted to give this podcast a chance but bringing up the pity party Hasan comments took me out. Just wanna enjoy some commentary, not how y'all are slaving away reading articles and regurgitating others takes
Denied
come on cohh
don't start badmouthin Fallout 76 so much
let new comers enjoy the start of their fallout games
People should start with a good one
Fallout 76 still sucks
I'm with Cohh the interpretation of the BHoS feels a bit dumb
Hot take, fallout 3 is a really bad game, it plays poorly, looks like a green/brown garbage mess (did so on release too), had a bad ending and a mediocre main plot. Arguably Bethesda's most overrated release. I bet most people like it so much because its manys first entry into the universe which is fair I suppose. Vegas played pretty much equally bad but had a intersting plot line and better writing overall. As for 4, find your kidnapped baby but first settlement tutorial and a wasteland so full of stuff that it feels crowded bordering on claustrophobic completely countering any urgency the story is trying to impose. Plays miles better tho unless you are trying to get walls to snap into place in a corner ofc.
Peace