One thing that helps in my marriage is that, even when we aren’t getting along or at odds, we still are committed to certain daily affection’. So, for example, even when I’m mad at my husband, I still give him a kiss when he gets home, I still make his dinner and serve him his plate, etc. I may not do it with a smile and joy haha but I still do it. What this does for us, is that it still keeps us connected even when we aren’t getting along.
Was me and my husband for many years until the last two years. He ended up having two double lung tyrants plants.. I ended up taking care of him when he was in and out of any hospital and let me tell you.. I felt so angry all these years for many reasonable desires he had but when I had to take care of him I prayed and told God.. I need.. joy and love and patience… He .. gave… me… just that. I wish I’d prayed for wisdom and understanding beforefore he was so sick but… I praise God.. He and He alone took me to a place I needed to be for him and when he died 6 months ago.. I didn’t suffer.. I knew I’d done what I’d lead me to do. He gave me the grace to give him when he didn’t deserve it but I also didn’t deserve a savior dying on a cross for me. He is a Holy.. loving and a God ful of undress grace.
I agree that God cares about both--happy and holy, but there was a time in my life when I really NEEDED to hear that it wasn't about happy, it was about holy because my marriage was a nightmare, and because of that, other people offered the worldly advice that, "Well, if you're not happy, you should leave, because you deserve to be happy." I think there are seasons that we need to stay, even though we're not happy, because we desire God more than we desire our selfish desires. I'm there right now!
Thank you for being so vulnerable. We just celebrated our 41st. We are currently in a challenging season. I’m praying, worshipping, and trying above all to listen. I’ve been walking with the Lord for 44 years. Again, thank you
Stubborn = prideful= sinful Humility and forgiveness are needed. It's not an easy conversation but truth about how you really feel starts to open a pathway.
Marriage is a beautiful thing but God has to be in everything! Married for 14 years and it will be ups and downs and sometimes we just disconnect from marriage because of stress, work and other issues but we must seek God for help
I am crying because of your honesty towards God and each other. I feel so happy and relieved to hear you both speak. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. With love ❤️
I love your podcasts and appreciate the Godly wisdom that you share. I would like to respectfully ask that you both work harder to stop interrupting each other and talking over one another. If you're going to teach about Godly marriages, then you need to exhibit healthy communication skills. One of the greatest forms of love we can offer another person is to listen to them to understand and stop listening to them to respond. When you continually interrupt and talk over another person, you are not listening to understand, and you are not respecting them in your communication. This is a main contributor to unhealthy and unsuccessful marriages because people do not feel heard and understood. Again, I share this respectfully from a heart that is very grateful for your teachings.
Love & appreciate this ❤️.. usually happens with strong willed couples and to the audience it really sounds chaotic but am sure they’ve worked on it & hv some form of understanding
I agree with this insight for the very reason that I struggle with this in my own marriage. It is a deep-seated area of concern that needs immediate attention between two strong-willed people in order to crush the habit of rudeness in communication. It becomes dis-honoring when we don't give the other person a chance to express their thoughts without interrupting them, even when we don't agree. Jumping in to correct them or add our two cents , over time, produces 2 porcupines that can't get close because they have learned to be on guard. We can be speaking the truth, but if it isn't heard, what's the point?
@andreakennedy3623 VERY well said, and I couldn't agree more! I pray that you continue to develop healthy communication skills and habits in your marriage and that in so doing, you experience greater understanding and deeper connection with each other! Amen!
I personally think their interruptions are done in a healthy, respectful way. They are very respectful of what the other has to say, and have no criticisms of each other in any way. Their corrections of each other are done very little and in a very respectful way.
@deborahallen4169 If you study anything at all about healthy communication, you will immediately learn that interrupting is never acceptable. When you interrupt, you are telling someone that what you have to say is more important than what they are saying. So, to suggest that their interruptions are healthy and respectful is an oxymoron.
Learning so much!!!! ❤😍 Married almost a year and had our first babygirl. Can’t wait to apply these beautiful virtues in my relationship with God and my husband. What a perspective change. Thank you guys for being my adoptive youtube parents!
I would love to hear more about how John was able to treat Lisa as if she was perfect. I find this the most challenging. Also would love prayer for my marriage too as we are both stubborn and it feels like a nightmare at times. Thank you for what you both do for Marriages ❤
Thank you sooo much for this. As a couple in our early 30s we really need godly guidance like this❤ Please do share more (on the next one) on what Ps John mentioned about putting God first but not mistaking that for putting church first? How do we serve the Lord passionately in the church without ending up compromising our marriages and building our households
Love this. Great teaching. My wife and I have our own saying to remind us that we are different but we make each other better and offset our faults/imperfections. We say “HOME TEAM” .
Thank you SO much for your continued obedience and openness! You have no idea how much help you both are! You are true role models in the Kingdom! 👑💪🏼🙏🏼
I am not married but I enjoyed this conversation and found it helpful. I’m glad for this conversation and it came at a great time as I have a family member I instantly thought of to share this with. ❤
Such a beautiful episode. And I was just reading Malachi 1-2, so wow! Perfect timing. I'm not married but I'm praying to be one day. This is great for singles to hear as well if you're asking God to prepare you for marriage. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing your struggle and admitting being stubborn. I can relate!! And I respect you more because you were vulnerable. Thank you for caring enough about marriage to have this conversation.
I just love y’all and thank God for your lives in Him! Thankful for these conversations that bring so much encouragement and hope. 🕊️🙏🏼♥️ thank you, Jesus.
Hello Family 👋🏾💜 We are always inspired by you ONE 😊 We love the MessengerX and did THE STORY OF MARRIAGE this spring 2024 with our small group!! It was awesome!! #LifeWithAlliDaily 💜
Thankyou for sharing your experiences. Your podcasts have helped me serve my husband better and also view things from God's perspective. I appreciate you both very much.
I exist in a marriage where my husband is completely switched off, numb, non-communicative, wont go for therapy, for prayer, for counseling nothing, I've tried to talk to him & he just stares at me blankly. This is a prison. Neither of us can afford to leave so we remain stuck in this limbo of nothingness.
Sounds exactly like my husband. Mine has Aspergers Syndrome. Maybe yours does too. Having said that I believe we can still use the strategies the Beveres are talking about. While listening I realized that because of my hurt (no excuse) I have stopped praying for my husband. Well all that changes as of today. Thank you John and Lisa.
@@teresapetersen5431 I'm so sorry to hear that. We lost our only son 12 years ago, I recovered (only by the grace of God) my husband has not. I still pray for him but its desperately lonely. One thing I took away from this message was to not lose hope, God is still good & He is still faithful to his promises. Praying for you sister in Christ 🙏
Yes. This made me cry. I've felt so discouraged. My husband and I got married young. 14 years and 3 kids later, he decided to cheat on me. In divorce process now. So sad.
I love listening to you guys that our live watching your interactions together about it gives me encouragement to realize I have more empower in my marriage than sometimes I feel I think I do, I think you for the messenger X I just went and downloaded it and I’m excited to see what all that has to offer. God bless you both and thank you for your obedience, your time and your love Tina from Ohio
Loved this episode. I cannot tell you how beneficial your stories and marriage has been to my husband and I this past year. We are so grateful for you being open and sharing. Thank you!
Can you do another video on marriage? A continuation of this conversation? The ladies story you spoke about was a wow..I needed this so bad..This is great conversation about looking to Jesus and knowing him..
Mine is trust issues how to move forward instead of keep going backwards in the past but every day it haunts me of lying and cheating I know he loves me and I love him but I don't know how to overcome this to make the relationship stronger and knowing that he really loves me
What do you do when your husband isn’t leading the way God has called him to do. I’ve prayed for his heart mind and spirit for the last 4 years surrendering him to God and I’m getting exhausted being the leader when I’m supposed to be the helper.
Jacob never chose Lia …and many never chose the real man they married ..the problem with marriage in my mind starts ..way before they stand before the Lord ..in a Church
Awesome! Hey John and Lisa this was Amazing! The Couple you referred to where the wife was providing care for seniors....do they have a website or Social Media platforms....I'm currently writing a business plan to open a Christian residential assisted living home for seniors in Columbia SC.
The Original Lioness (that's my name for you). I had a dream about you Pst Lisa last week, I met you twice, and I poured my heart out to you and you comforted me. This is odd because it's not really in my content stratosphere, but I've come to learn from you. Love from South Africa.
I wish people would read the Amplified version. It reads much differently in this case 'cover your garment (wife) in violence' and 'men who do such ' don't have a remnant of the (Holy) spirit in them'. This reads as if it is a case of violence against wives.
Brilliant and with such great practical advice =treat your spouse the way they can be / like you want to have them! Like Christ did for us before we made him our Lord and started to obey him... Just before I heard / listened to another message of you two on the 30th anniversary of your book the bait of Satan. And then I already thought there should be another book called: "The (various / many ) baites of Satan on your marriage" and this should mention not only unforgiveness, but also how Satan uses it when we are in bitterness, not contend with our partners, when we feel not enough cared for / not loved enough to bring another person in our life to tempt us! And very often he is successful- sadly! I think he is successful as we do often not follow your advice = the one you have given here. Again such a brilliant message -greetings from Germany
I just got an advertisement while watching your video for shampoo and conditioner with a transgender as the person. Just thought I'd let you know. Thank you for your videos and your advice.
My husband is cheating, drinking, lying, goes out often every night and cones home after 2 am, last weekend he came home at almost 1pm the next day w a lame excuse. He has been unemployed for 7 months. I'm his 5th wife. It's seems i am the one who lasted the longest. It's my 2nd marriage that will end in cheating. I'm burned out. 🙏
John and Lisa, you are speaking over each other and keep interrupting one another! It makes it difficult to follow the points. Perhaps decide in advance who will tackle which point and then allow that person to explain the point in full before the other one adds their view and elaborates. Otherwise, the points I did manage to hear were helpful. Thank you.
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The fact that Lisa made a promise to her boys that she would never marry again if John ever died is so amazing!! ❤ John you are SO LUCKY
Ha
I hope God won't test her on it.
One thing that helps in my marriage is that, even when we aren’t getting along or at odds, we still are committed to certain daily affection’. So, for example, even when I’m mad at my husband, I still give him a kiss when he gets home, I still make his dinner and serve him his plate, etc. I may not do it with a smile and joy haha but I still do it. What this does for us, is that it still keeps us connected even when we aren’t getting along.
Was me and my husband for many years until the last two years. He ended up having two double lung tyrants plants.. I ended up taking care of him when he was in and out of any hospital and let me tell you.. I felt so angry all these years for many reasonable desires he had but when I had to take care of him I prayed and told God.. I need.. joy and love and patience… He .. gave… me… just that. I wish I’d prayed for wisdom and understanding beforefore he was so sick but… I praise God.. He and He alone took me to a place I needed to be for him and when he died 6 months ago.. I didn’t suffer.. I knew I’d done what I’d lead me to do. He gave me the grace to give him when he didn’t deserve it but I also didn’t deserve a savior dying on a cross for me.
He is a Holy.. loving and a God ful of undress grace.
I agree that God cares about both--happy and holy, but there was a time in my life when I really NEEDED to hear that it wasn't about happy, it was about holy because my marriage was a nightmare, and because of that, other people offered the worldly advice that, "Well, if you're not happy, you should leave, because you deserve to be happy." I think there are seasons that we need to stay, even though we're not happy, because we desire God more than we desire our selfish desires. I'm there right now!
My husband and I cannot wait to lead “The Story of Marriage” life group starting next Friday! Please Pray for us and those attending. Mahalo!!
Just married 22 yrs yesterday marriage is broken just roomates no communication he doesnt want to pray go to church with me or read bible very alone
Thank you for being so vulnerable. We just celebrated our 41st. We are currently in a challenging season. I’m praying, worshipping, and trying above all to listen. I’ve been walking with the Lord for 44 years. Again, thank you
THANK YOU for sharing. Marriage is a covenant and a covenant requires commitment. John is right. Marriage involves 3 people. Much love xxx
Stubborn = prideful= sinful
Humility and forgiveness are needed. It's not an easy conversation but truth about how you really feel starts to open a pathway.
This helped me so much I wanted to leave my husband but God is saying no so I know it’s worth it to stay!
Same for me
Marriage is a beautiful thing but God has to be in everything! Married for 14 years and it will be ups and downs and sometimes we just disconnect from marriage because of stress, work and other issues but we must seek God for help
Such perfect timing. Please pray for our fully redeemed restored blessed better than ever marriage ! Because right now it is a nightmare.
I rebuke that spirit of disunity and I speak life and freedom over your marriage and home in the mighty name of Jesus! 🔥❤️
@@kazelgrande5806 thank you sister♡♡♡
God loves you so! John 3:16✝️
I am crying because of your honesty towards God and each other. I feel so happy and relieved to hear you both speak. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. With love ❤️
“Becoming one takes time “
This ! It takes time and it’s hard ! May God find grace for our marriages !
Marriages matter !
Godly Marriages Matter !!!
I love your podcasts and appreciate the Godly wisdom that you share. I would like to respectfully ask that you both work harder to stop interrupting each other and talking over one another. If you're going to teach about Godly marriages, then you need to exhibit healthy communication skills. One of the greatest forms of love we can offer another person is to listen to them to understand and stop listening to them to respond. When you continually interrupt and talk over another person, you are not listening to understand, and you are not respecting them in your communication. This is a main contributor to unhealthy and unsuccessful marriages because people do not feel heard and understood. Again, I share this respectfully from a heart that is very grateful for your teachings.
Love & appreciate this ❤️.. usually happens with strong willed couples and to the audience it really sounds chaotic but am sure they’ve worked on it & hv some form of understanding
I agree with this insight for the very reason that I struggle with this in my own marriage. It is a deep-seated area of concern that needs immediate attention between two strong-willed people in order to crush the habit of rudeness in communication.
It becomes dis-honoring when we don't give the other person a chance to express their thoughts without interrupting them, even when we don't agree. Jumping in to correct them or add our two cents , over time, produces 2 porcupines that can't get close because they have learned to be on guard. We can be speaking the truth, but if it isn't heard, what's the point?
@andreakennedy3623 VERY well said, and I couldn't agree more! I pray that you continue to develop healthy communication skills and habits in your marriage and that in so doing, you experience greater understanding and deeper connection with each other! Amen!
I personally think their interruptions are done in a healthy, respectful way. They are very respectful of what the other has to say, and have no criticisms of each other in any way. Their corrections of each other are done very little and in a very respectful way.
@deborahallen4169 If you study anything at all about healthy communication, you will immediately learn that interrupting is never acceptable. When you interrupt, you are telling someone that what you have to say is more important than what they are saying. So, to suggest that their interruptions are healthy and respectful is an oxymoron.
Learning so much!!!! ❤😍 Married almost a year and had our first babygirl. Can’t wait to apply these beautiful virtues in my relationship with God and my husband. What a perspective change. Thank you guys for being my adoptive youtube parents!
I would love to hear more about how John was able to treat Lisa as if she was perfect. I find this the most challenging. Also would love prayer for my marriage too as we are both stubborn and it feels like a nightmare at times. Thank you for what you both do for Marriages ❤
Thank you sooo much for this. As a couple in our early 30s we really need godly guidance like this❤ Please do share more (on the next one) on what Ps John mentioned about putting God first but not mistaking that for putting church first? How do we serve the Lord passionately in the church without ending up compromising our marriages and building our households
The story of the godly woman is so amazing! That must have been so hard, but that is so inspiring! Thank you this was a great podcast 🥳
10:55 "We make the decision to love and then feelings follow"
Love this. Great teaching. My wife and I have our own saying to remind us that we are different but we make each other better and offset our faults/imperfections. We say “HOME TEAM” .
Both interrupt each other, it would be a blessing if they didn’t 😳
Makes it hard to watch.
Yeah, I also wondered... but then I accepted it's probably the Italian heritage and it's how they roll.
@@kovacdavid I’m Italian and my family doesn’t interrupt like this 😉
@@malloryhagberg2347 I had to rationalize somehow :D
Great dialogue! I find your honesty refreshing & I pray Holy Spirit continues to guide us in our marriage.
My marriage is a dry land right now. I see no hope, I have no joy I feel like the worst mistake I made
I unfortunately understand exactly where you are at! I'm going to go to prayer as well! God bless you🙏
Remember the enemy wants to steal your joy. Show it in his face and be joyfully despite the circumstances!
My heart goes out to you all and I’m praying for you
Don't give up! It's gets better!!
Bless both of you! Thank you for your transparent and real discipleship! Amen
Thank you SO much for your continued obedience and openness! You have no idea how much help you both are! You are true role models in the Kingdom! 👑💪🏼🙏🏼
I am not married but I enjoyed this conversation and found it helpful. I’m glad for this conversation and it came at a great time as I have a family member I instantly thought of to share this with. ❤
This was an incredible episode. Thank you for your wisdom and transparency.
Such a beautiful episode. And I was just reading Malachi 1-2, so wow! Perfect timing. I'm not married but I'm praying to be one day. This is great for singles to hear as well if you're asking God to prepare you for marriage. Thank you!
WOW!!! What a testimony of keeping in step with the Holy Spirit.
Thank you for sharing your struggle and admitting being stubborn. I can relate!! And I respect you more because you were vulnerable. Thank you for caring enough about marriage to have this conversation.
Thank you so much . I needed to hear this coming from restoration in my marriage .I’m still going through my husband ignoring me.
I agree I'm living a nightmare. I've be married 20 years I love the Lord I go to church and my husband goes 1st a month 🙏
There are a lot that feeds the wrong thing. We guard our hearts and minds by guarding our conversations.
Yes. Love is a choice, not a feeling. The feeling will follow the actions.
So power full: i cant base hoy I treat you of in hoy you treat me
Btw, yall are both so adorable together! So passionate about the Lord, loving telling the same stories, both keeping it real!
Outstanding!!! So full of God's true word and love for marriage! Love you both, Karen from Ohio! Echo...Perfect timing. Married 34 years.
I just love y’all and thank God for your lives in Him! Thankful for these conversations that bring so much encouragement and hope. 🕊️🙏🏼♥️ thank you, Jesus.
Hello Family 👋🏾💜
We are always inspired by you ONE 😊
We love the MessengerX and did THE STORY OF MARRIAGE this spring 2024 with our small group!! It was awesome!! #LifeWithAlliDaily 💜
Thankyou for sharing your experiences. Your podcasts have helped me serve my husband better and also view things from God's perspective. I appreciate you both very much.
Lisa is such an anointed preacher!
I exist in a marriage where my husband is completely switched off, numb, non-communicative, wont go for therapy, for prayer, for counseling nothing, I've tried to talk to him & he just stares at me blankly. This is a prison. Neither of us can afford to leave so we remain stuck in this limbo of nothingness.
Sounds exactly like my husband. Mine has Aspergers Syndrome. Maybe yours does too. Having said that I believe we can still use the strategies the Beveres are talking about. While listening I realized that because of my hurt (no excuse) I have stopped praying for my husband. Well all that changes as of today. Thank you John and Lisa.
@@teresapetersen5431 I'm so sorry to hear that. We lost our only son 12 years ago, I recovered (only by the grace of God) my husband has not. I still pray for him but its desperately lonely. One thing I took away from this message was to not lose hope, God is still good & He is still faithful to his promises. Praying for you sister in Christ 🙏
I feel your pain.
What a powerful conversation! Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for listening!
This is such a NOW Word! Thank you for this
Not necessarily a nightmare but for sure feel trapped in a not good marriage.... 41 years in... Its never been great.
Marriages matter...Amen
What a beautiful conversation, I learned a lot today about marriage.
John and Lisa thank you for your transparency so others can be encouraged. ❤
THANKS GUYS 😊😊
Yes. This made me cry. I've felt so discouraged. My husband and I got married young. 14 years and 3 kids later, he decided to cheat on me. In divorce process now. So sad.
Praise Jesus.
❤ Love conversations with John and Lisa
I love listening to you guys that our live watching your interactions together about it gives me encouragement to realize I have more empower in my marriage than sometimes I feel I think I do, I think you for the messenger X I just went and downloaded it and I’m excited to see what all that has to offer.
God bless you both and thank you for your obedience, your time and your love
Tina from Ohio
Loved this episode. I cannot tell you how beneficial your stories and marriage has been to my husband and I this past year. We are so grateful for you being open and sharing. Thank you!
To be "one -in-three" its a choice and process.
Do not give up -I tell to myself.
Please keep posting these marriage ones, the advice is so helpful. God bless you both for sharing the good truth❤
It does sound like it doesn’t matter if you are happy. Marriage should make you both happy and Holy
WOW: I’ll need to visit that scripture. Loyal is such a POWERFUL word and different from faithful
Thank you for your transparency. It brings light and hope.
Merging of souls, makes me think about the Trinity. Three distinct Beings, yet 100% in agreement, and ONE. (Hope this makes sense)
Can you do another video on marriage? A continuation of this conversation? The ladies story you spoke about was a wow..I needed this so bad..This is great conversation about looking to Jesus and knowing him..
I love you guys. Thank you for still being together. Praise the Lord!
Mine is trust issues how to move forward instead of keep going backwards in the past but every day it haunts me of lying and cheating I know he loves me and I love him but I don't know how to overcome this to make the relationship stronger and knowing that he really loves me
THIS WAS AWESOME ... LOVE YOU ... GUYS
Thank you guys so much. Love you both!
Beautiful couple ❤
What do you do when your husband isn’t leading the way God has called him to do. I’ve prayed for his heart mind and spirit for the last 4 years surrendering him to God and I’m getting exhausted being the leader when I’m supposed to be the helper.
Jacob never chose Lia …and many never chose the real man they married ..the problem with marriage in my mind starts ..way before they stand before the Lord ..in a Church
LOVE THIS! THANK YOU, AND I LOVE THAT YALL ARE SPEAKING LIFE INTO MARRIAGES TODAY!
Thanks for sharing
They make me feel glad am not married.
I needed to hear this today. Thank you. 🙏
Excellent content.
Thank you so much for your honesty, this was so needed!
Thank you, I needed to hear this
I love your podcasts! thank you for sharing your lives, so ours can be better ♥
I love Lisa two-fold explanation of marriage
Wonderful message! I really enjoyed this. Love you both.
So encouraging, thank you so much 💖🥹
Thankful Timely and Thoughtful
Awesome! Hey John and Lisa this was Amazing! The Couple you referred to where the wife was providing care for seniors....do they have a website or Social Media platforms....I'm currently writing a business plan to open a Christian residential assisted living home for seniors in Columbia SC.
❤Thank-You for sharing❤️🙏🤗!!!
Timely. I'm not married yet but this helps. Thank you.
Thank for this episode
Thanks for this.. so good!! ❤
Exactly. It can be BOTH ❤
The Lord gave me this verse this morning!! I am in a battle for our marriage!
Is 43:14-28
Mal 2:11-17
Matt 5:27-30
1 Cor 6:18
Can't wait for part 2.
The Original Lioness (that's my name for you). I had a dream about you Pst Lisa last week, I met you twice, and I poured my heart out to you and you comforted me. This is odd because it's not really in my content stratosphere, but I've come to learn from you. Love from South Africa.
Thank you?
I found a great life partner but intimacy has been a struggle for a long time.
I wish people would read the Amplified version. It reads much differently in this case 'cover your garment (wife) in violence' and 'men who do such ' don't have a remnant of the (Holy) spirit in them'. This reads as if it is a case of violence against wives.
Thank you
Brilliant and with such great practical advice =treat your spouse the way they can be / like you want to have them! Like Christ did for us before we made him our Lord and started to obey him... Just before I heard / listened to another message of you two on the 30th anniversary of your book the bait of Satan. And then I already thought there should be another book called: "The (various / many ) baites of Satan on your marriage" and this should mention not only unforgiveness, but also how Satan uses it when we are in bitterness, not contend with our partners, when we feel not enough cared for / not loved enough to bring another person in our life to tempt us! And very often he is successful- sadly! I think he is successful as we do often not follow your advice = the one you have given here. Again such a brilliant message -greetings from Germany
I just got an advertisement while watching your video for shampoo and conditioner with a transgender as the person. Just thought I'd let you know. Thank you for your videos and your advice.
They have no way of determining which adverts Google AdSense attaches to their content.
Judging by divorce rate I don't think Christians staying in marriage when not happy they leave and seek happiness elsewhere
Great message
My husband is cheating, drinking, lying, goes out often every night and cones home after 2 am, last weekend he came home at almost 1pm the next day w a lame excuse. He has been unemployed for 7 months. I'm his 5th wife. It's seems i am the one who lasted the longest. It's my 2nd marriage that will end in cheating. I'm burned out. 🙏
I'm so sorry. I will pray for you AdirAna.
God's Definitely There❣️🙏
It’s 12 cows for us Zulu’s in South Africa.
I love your Podcast 🫶🏽
Interesting. John looks so fatigued. Where is the light and spark he always had? Bless you, brother.
John and Lisa, you are speaking over each other and keep interrupting one another! It makes it difficult to follow the points. Perhaps decide in advance who will tackle which point and then allow that person to explain the point in full before the other one adds their view and elaborates. Otherwise, the points I did manage to hear were helpful. Thank you.