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Lud: "Please sign again Susan"
Susan: "I don't even work there anymore"
Im obviously a smooth brain but who's susan?
@@jkrillz6571 Previous RUclips CEO
@@esco8778 ohhh haha thank you!
WHAT DOES LUD KNOW?!?!?!?!?
@Chill X ?
Ludwig trying to stay out of mild controversy for three seconds:
@lShowSрееd shorts 🅥 no i haven't been looking for a cp clip my guy that not 18+
@christmashorrorstoriesanimated @ishowsd4901 2 bots, 1 of them is making fun of the other bot, what a day to be alive
Nah. Not mild. This is equivalent to sending a link of porn to multiple minors on purpose.
Nah they are all liars. The original video criticizing them said that QT did Fansly ads right after mario Kart kids stuff, thats why it was Immoral. Both Critikal and Ludwig, strawmanned that into "Is putting fansly ads ok in general" Lmao. Shooting at straws, actually decrepit and manipulative losers.
@@kanavkohli794 the only loser here is the one copy and pasting the same message like a bot as if you’re going to convince anyone to change what they think about ludwig or charlie
Lud saying "thanks Susan please sign me again" have the same energy as calling your gf the name of your ex while asking for head
me personally i wouldnt be doing that.
@@NOBODY-oq1xr
gluten free?
Garlic fresh?
Giraffes father
Gay flounce
Goanna frills...
good friend
@@pkmblack303 ayo 🧐
@@NOBODY-oq1xrgirlfriend
I'm just here appreciating how clean he got his room. Looks nice.
Same 😆
But the cat toys are missing....how will coots serve us ramen now 😭
@Maria Rose true I didn't even think about that. We'll have to get more next time he does an amazon stream
Yeah, me too! Wasn't going to comment when I first saw a video with this new background but I just left a comment on this video asking what's that in the bg. I assume a realistic cardboard cut out? But then who is it. Lol its one of the only things in the room and I didn't see it before, so it was certainly a decision. So I am now curious hahaha
@Xenia Grae if your talking about the person in the background that's a statue of Jackie Chan
I love how both Charlie and mogul mail went dark mode for this one 💀
No longer ludwig, now mogul mail
@Ben no i haven't been looking for a cp clip my guy that not 18+
Hi! I’m new to the Mogul Mail world & have a question- have him & Charlie ever met in person before? 👀 I need this crossover.
@@weightsinfish they are business partners and great friends it is Indeed a sick crossover
@@h5gamer798 You are amazing for answering. 🙏 Thank you so much! Now I need to dive more into this. Love it!!!
Charlie shitting on Fansly and Lud shitting on GFuel feels like watching my parents fight before their divorce all over again. YOURE TEARING THIS FAMILY APART!
Feels even worse when most of the other sponsors he mentioned sponsored Charlie’s podcast for a while too
I think they are mature enough to simply disagree respectfully and not let it hurt their relationship
@@MrImaWizard I think the original commenter (incorrectly) assumed you were mature enough to get the joke
@ShadowMewto it's a joke based in a real assumption that they are lowkey beefing, but go ahead and be a little cunt I really don't expect much less from RUclips comment sections.
@@ShadowMewto that was uncalled for, does insulting people in the youtube comments section make you feel good about yourself or something? Why did you choose to comment that
Ludwig said "I only get them from their views" and I immediately got blasted by an ad. Whether that was intentional or not, that was the most ludwig thing ever.
Yeah that's how every single RUclipsr makes money?
Somr comments and questions i have for you as someone using RUclips without paying for premium to get rid of ads... (I can see how the cost would be irritating but I don't think it's prohibitive.... I have another acct i don't pay for premium on bc I never started making the planned content due to unforeseen life circumstances. But i got to see how obscenely intrusive ads are on here in late 2021 UT may be even worse by now! I would simply not use the platform if premium did not exist. [E.g. i no longer watch videos in my fb feed bc there's like 3 ads for a very short video... and i found the frequency of real ads then also many more "hidden" ads on tiktok too annoying and often watch that content when the creators reupload elsewhere and to be fair, all of those other platforms +views are much more profitable than tiktok where the only money is in getting sponsorships despite plenty of ads on the app...] . But before i had it, the ad situation on here was not as EXTREME as it is now! How users can tolerate it is beyond me!
SN: Had also planned to start a Fansly profile in 2021 before it gained a lot more popularity, wish i could've im syre nkw its been tsken over by more popular well known crestirs..but it was bc at least at that time it was a much better setup than OF just not well known yet. So I think it's fine of course he's had many Fansly sponsorships and i thought that ad was still appropriate, coming from someone who tries to avoid ads on all steaming services that ad wouldn't be as bothersome to have to see over and over.
Another creator I watch did explain how they recieved money with the different types of views. Surprisingly, a Premium view counts higher in terms of what the creator recieves than a view from those watching all those ridicilous amount of ads, that's not even considering having to see the sponsored ads within a video, too! (Note that not skipping ads helps them more, too, so when it's a smaller creator I'd consider letting the entire ad play). But when an ad blocker extension (so, a free option) is used to not have to see ads, the creator receives NOTHING for that view.
I also respect creators more when they add very short sometimes pretty creative sections into their videos where they will place their midroll ads. It shows viewers like yourself respect so that an ad is less intrusive in its placement e.g. won't cut off a sentence, won't cut off important moments - before I got my friend to pay for premium she'd always place her phone down for us to watch something rather than her tv to watch content she enjoyed [I never watch on my phone... I use my tv so her doing that plus the intrusive, repetitive, and plentiful ads per video was painful to me lol also, a phone is not easily viewed by two peoplr if thstd mot your o ky option fir viewjnv its juzg rude. ]
So for you, how can you stand the ads every few video slots on the feeds, the presumably constant preroll ads, the many midroll ads that seem to be the same ad each time (also why creators make their videos at least 8min!), and I believe there are still banner ads over the content. Presumably if watching on the computer there will be ads to the right where the video suggestions are. Tell me if there are ads I've missed! Lol Do these ads limit how long you spend on the app? Do they somehow just not bother you? Maybe you don't feel your time is being wasted? Does the combination of real ads then in video sponsored ads bother you? Do you find the ads useful and ever actually click on them?
I will make this general comment, too. My comments always get quite lengthy. :x I slso don't comment often given I'm not viewing on a phone or computer. So a lot has to build up for me to grab my phone. I'm not intending to bother you with the comment!!
But if you're getting ads presumably as an adult, how do it affect your watching experience?
@@psgamer-il2pt per another creator, premium views surprisingly give them the most (I'd have guessed less), then regular ad viewers with full ads playing being more beneficial to the creator than ad skips, and finally NO money at all for views from people using ad blockers rather than paying for premium.
@@XeniaGrae yeah I'm pretty sure that's not very common
@@psgamer-il2pt it was the timing of the ad that was funny
I didn't notice the fact check sheet until this episode. Love that it exists, its the kind of thing you need for this kind of channel
Damn I wish every commentary/news channel had a fact check. It feels much more transparent
I read your comment, went up to find it, didn't find it, returned here to see if I read correctly, then went back up again, and after looking very carefully, I found it. I would have never noticed it
he presented it in a mogul mail video titled "I lied", which is where I heard of it.
I love the Lud/Charlie synchronized news blasts
Mogul mail*
It’s a lot of fun comparing video titles.
Atp I look forward to it
I didn't get any of this. Because it still isn't the same to show literal p**n to children!
@lShowSрееd shorts 🅥 no i haven't been looking for a cp clip my guy that not 18+
Lud really said “f*** them kids” and I’m all for it
Hmmm 🤭🤫🤔
Sang a different tune when it was about other people outside his friend group
Explanation because someone was too dense: Someone replied to me "go outside, you're too invested" for the original quick reply 😄 Basically "don't call out my streamer's hypocrisy when it comes to promoting adult stuff to child audiences". I think they need to go outside instead, I'm not really a fan of any twitch streamer. And yes imo gambling and flat out showing pr0n like Aidan and train on stream is worse, but that doesn't lessen the fact that promoting an adult website right after a mario kart ad to an audience of mostly children is still ironic, especially after their previous criticism of train. That's all, have a good day 😊☺🙂🤗😌✌
Phrasing
but what about the kids
Nah they are all liars. The original video criticizing them said that QT did Fansly ads right after mario Kart kids stuff, thats why it was Immoral. Both Critikal and Ludwig, strawmanned that into "Is putting fansly ads ok in general" Lmao. Shooting at straws, actually decrepit and manipulative losers..
@@kanavkohli794 And yet you still take time out of your day to watch the videos and complain about it online.
And before you try to play the "Well you're doing the same thing!" card. I am aware, I just don't care enough to cherry pick everything I watch.
That “I don’t give a fk about them kids” was maddddd genuine. It came from his soul 😂
I was thinking about what my response would be to this situation and it's similar, fuck those kids. Neither Ludwig nor qt really cater their content towards kids so I don't mind. On the other hand, if someone like Ryan's toy review had a fansly sponsorship I would be more inclined to give a fuck. Similar to a show like family guy, they make crude jokes but they don't target kids so it's fine, despite the fact that kids will inevitably see it. It's also why Jake Paul promoting shady gambling sites back in the day was such a huge problem. It's who you target and what you target them with. If you don't aim for kids, and they still see it, I don't give a shit.
Being against part of your audience is quite ironic, I think Lud is on the wrong and going in a wrong direction lately, but well, time will tell.
@@NamerGaming not caring to make content for kids, or not having his life principles focus on kids, does not mean being against them.
It’s illegal too lead children to a site where you can link an under age account to gain access. ITS AGAINST THE LAW. Doesn’t even mention the biggest issue. That was exposed the day of the event but had to cover up with throwing justaminx under the bus.
@@TinaWasTaken amen
What is funny is creators usually get their sponsors in trouble but this time a sponsor got the creators in trouble lmao
Very disappointed that QT and Lid would willingly advertise adult content knowing full well their audience is mostly kids under 18. Makes me sad to know they’re “morals” and “ethics” includes exposing kids to this content.
@@vig0s221 70% of Ludwigs viewers are actually 18-30 years old so since he has that info he did that sponsor because most of his viewers are adults and teens.
@@vig0s221 Highly doubt most of the people watching that were under the age of 18. While I dont think this ad was great, it really wasnt the end of the world. You think dudes in highschool arent watching porn on the daily? Youre crazy. The streamer who won just chatting literally got jerked off on streah. QT needed sponsors for an event and Fansly is a huge sponsor of most of these streamer events because a lot of the creators on this site you think is so family friendly otherwise are on there making adult content. Even so, QT admitted she did not screen this ad first and regrets that. But lets not act like its the streamer's responsibility to monitor the sites their children viewers watch.
yea kinda disgusting. Very obviously majority audience is 12-21... People saying otherwise are clearly coping.
Either way, they advertised it on TWITCH awards, not in their regular video or sum
Feels like lud and charlie should make a news channel for all the drama they cover
*for all the drama they create and then cover
It’s illegal too lead children to a site where you can link an under age account to gain access. ITS AGAINST THE LAW. Doesn’t even mention the biggest issue. That was exposed the day of the event but had to cover up with throwing justaminx under the bus.
The could call it moist Mogul
Yea call it Drama Alert Nation but Good
YES
Ludwig always relays his point so eloquently. He calls it rambling, but really it's a very structured presentation. He makes his points clear, non-repetitive, and in quick enough succession to keep the viewer intrigued but not overwhelmed. He pauses this train of thought only to A) lighten the mood or B) Provide reference or allusion. Very well spoken, long time viewer here, gracious to see such use of a platform now and always :)) no homo or anything
the problem is all his friend group, moist, qt, hasan all attacked adin ross for showing porn to his underage audience when qt literally just advertised porn to her underage audience as well. The twitch elite of nepotism
It's because he's a language major
its okay to be homo bro
He’s not gonna fuck you bro
To me sometimes it gets annoying when he purposefully stutters like 5 times
Watching Cr1tikal talk about this in deadpan tone and Lud in more energetic voice is one of my favorite RUclips activities
Mogul mail*
Ludi the mogul man
Nah they are all liars. The original video criticizing them by MuuKitty said that QT did Fansly ads right after mario Kart kids stuff, thats why it was Immoral. Both Critikal and Ludwig, strawmanned that into "Is putting fansly ads ok in general" Lmao. Shooting at straws, actually decrepit and manipulative losers.
@@kanavkohli794LMAO. Mu said it was Mario Kart but it was a nitro stream racing ad. She got it wrong. Get the fuck outta here with your factually inaccurate statements
@@kanavkohli794 Crawl back to LSF, where you belongs.
I think the problem, as Charlie pointed out, is Fansly isn't age gated to 18+; and probably because if they did they wouldn't get to advertise on places like twitch as much as they do.
FR this unironically feels like when sneako was trying to debate why cuties is ok. It's like- dude. Kids. That's where the guardrails are, even in the european union.
Well Fansly tries to appear as an 18+ site. But then seem to purpously have almost no check on their customers actually being 18. I don't think its to get twitch sponsorships. Nobody who sponsors them thinks they are anything but 18+. I think its to get the teenager clientel that is probably quite lucrative to exploit.
Plus the argument saying it takes some authorization and it takes time to even find the 18+ content. I literally just pressed authorized and was allowed on the site instantly and was immediately greeted with porn, didn't even need to scroll
ok so you guys have not looked at a single titty online until you turned 18? who cares, they allow cool events to happen bc they pay way more than any other sponsor currently, they arent as potentially harmful as some other shit like gambling, and teens will watch porn anyway. i think whatever is on fansly is way better and less damaging than some of the insane stuff you can find on pornhub
Well first off no parent should be letting their kid watch Ludwig under the age of 15 or 16 so let's say anyone under that is a victim of bad parenting. Then, when we see the sponsorship, all its really saying is 'Hi, this is an adult content site, adult content sites exist.' Newsflash, every 16 year old already knows that and probably already has a favourite porn site (none of which are age gated) Once again, if you think that fact is an issue which is fair, maybe the parents should restrict their internet access.
A wise man once said “he’s not hypocritical,he is moistcritikal”
😂
It’s illegal too lead children to a site where you can link an under age account to gain access. ITS AGAINST THE LAW. Doesn’t even mention the biggest issue. That was exposed the day of the event but had to cover up with throwing justaminx under the bus.
that’s the top comment on charlie’s video
@@beethovensoup was just about to say this lol “you can copy my homework just change it around a little bit”
@@beethovensoup yes that is said wise man lmao
I personally think Fansly simply adding age verification (which is mind blowing that it wasn't there to begin with) fixes literally everything
this
facts
Adin ross stream had +18 verification on it. was this the argument when ludwig, charlie all went for adin ross head? Or was this argument only made because your favorite streamers are hypocrites having their streamer awards being sponsored by a literal pornsite.
Except it doesn't the hypocrisy from qt ludwig etc is laughable
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p not a porn site, a subscription streaming platform
To everyone saying QT is a hypocrite for being upset at atrioc and then doing a fansly sponsor, i hate to break it to you but there is a MASSIVE difference between promoting someone who willingly does sex work and taking someones face and putting it on porn without their consent
It's insane that this actually needs to be explained to people. It's very clear they just hate QT and maybe women in general lmao
yeah its fucking disgusting people are making that argument at all. "dont sexualize people without their consent" and "respect sex workers" are in no way mutually exclusive, good lord. theyre both about respecting womens bodily autonomy and what they _choose_ to do or not do with it. people on this website are brain dead.
I guess it’s only a Problem for People From the USA. They are very very 🧐 whats the english Word? Prude? When it comes to Stuff like that. Here in EU we have naked bobs After Midnight on Television and Nobody cares. 🤷🏽♀️
And lets be real Every Teen can use Google and find Everything anyway.
It’s really weird to be mad about Stuff like that.
But How is it in the USA with like Super Bowl? Sponser is Budweiser or something?
We have Beer comertials on Sport Events but here Beer is for 16j old.
Yeah look I’m not trying to be too edgy here, but women would be a lot safer if we just eradicated everyone who can’t tell the difference.
Like there is a degree of stupid where you’re just a liability to the planet and I think not understanding this point has to be a key indicator.
If u make ur money from these platforms then don't be surprised if someone else takes advantage of those platforms.
I think the two main issues which should (and hopefully will be) addressed RE Fansly are:
1) Their sign in with twitch option allows underage users (13+) to create accounts and access adult content - this should be resolved technically and is not on streamers to fix
2) The 'see which of your favourite streamers already use Fansly' line of advertising reinforces the unhlepful perspective that all female streamers are current or future/potential adult content creators. I'm not sure what you can do about that necessarily, but having the ad run during QT's event after her understandable stance during the hot tub meta (I don't want to be in the same bucket as adult content creators and have chat sexualise me as I do normal streams) is really unfortunate.
Personally, I don't have an issue with Fansly sponsoring cool events; they appear to be pretty good to their platform's creators and users, but they need a more robust age gate to be seen as a legitimate entity and streamers/RUclipsrs need to consider if the brand aligns with their values, as Lud outlines.
Yep this
this. i didn’t really like the ad but i don’t think the blame is on QT i think it’s just how fansly handled it that was bad. sure people could argue qt should have watched the ads but… she literally had probably hundreds of other things to think about leading into the event and she just assumed the ad would be normal. i think that’s a normal thing to assume and just forget to double check on. it sucks that she can throw such a successful big event and people are mad about a 30 second thing- she’s not a whole entire company running the show, she’s a person. fansly is a whole ass company that should maybe do better
This!!! Its not that it's on a child or adult friendly stream it's that it's on a website that allows kids onto it.
Agreed!!
that first point is really eye-opening holy shit
As a fellow European, I also find things like nudity or drinking and smoking, not that serious because it’s done so much here. So I feel like Lud, believe in your gut that you know your community and that you stand by your morals.
I was gonna say this. I think the pearl clutching is way too over blown.
There's nothing wrong with it but regardless where you live, but it does seem like an issue if you promote it to little kids.
What morals? Promoting whores is somehow moral lol? Also nudity in this case is not fine, nor is promoting smoking and drinking. I am also European, doesn’t mean that all degeneracy is tolerated.
Don’t say ”fellow European” lol. He’s born and raised in the USA
@@Idnowhatever pretty sure he is french
Lud saying “thank you Susan” 😂 force of habit
It was Susan at the time, so he is not wrong.
I got a little thrill of nostalgia from that. :)
I miss Susan, I hope she's doing well.
Mogul Mail guy always giving us good mail!
good porn sponsorings yes xD
Nah they are all liars. The original video criticizing them said that QT did Fansly ads right after mario Kart kids stuff, thats why it was Immoral. Both Critikal and Ludwig, strawmanned that into "Is putting fansly ads ok in general" Lmao. Shooting at straws, actually decrepit and manipulative losers.
Having QT and Ludwig as this power couple who are both doing big but entirely separate events really does provide a unique opportunity to compare how a male host and a female host are treated in circumstances that are often otherwise quite similar. It helps that they're both willing to talk about that in a frank and open way.
It is a really neat situation. However this time, the viewership was very different. (Fighting + chess) vs All Streamers (general)
I think their situations were different, when I watched Ludwig's event I didn't see that ad(fansly one) nor did I know what fansly was, but in QT's event you can clearly see that adult content is being advertised when the majority of their viewer are minors
In Lud's and Jerma's events its just a logo ad, so u automatically ignore it. But for QTs event it was an in your face literal porn ad. Even QT admitted that she should have checked it first 🤷♂️
What the fuck does Frank have to do with all this 😭😭😭😭😭
Scott Shafer actually pointed out that Ludwig used Fansly for his boxing event and xQc's gameshow in his video about this topic. I believe he even reached out to Ludwig but he didn't respond.
I kinda wish we'd stop pretending like adult content doesn't exist and go back to criticizing parents for not guiding their kids. If your kid has a porn addiction I guarantee it's not from Charlie giggling at a fansly ad.
I agree
I'm old enough to remember the days when parents would be prosecuted for letting their kids view 18+ content, and the world worked fine. Now, so many parents are so stupid or lazy (often both) they genuinely seem to believe every adult human on earth should become a Disney character to appease them.
however the fansly ad was played directly after a mario ad so, i feel like the point about Moist's hypocrisy is still valid.
@@catnip202xch.it was nitro stream racing not Mario Kart. Muu was wrong in the video. Do research before spouting lies thanks
@@TheFirstCentaur however does it rerally change it that much? nitroracing is a very vibrant looking game, not too off from Mario Cart, meaning that its a game thats marketed towards a younger audience. Having a porn ad come up right after a kids game is still very inappropriate.
If fansly allows you to do banger events, keep doing it.
the problem is all his friend group, moist, qt, hasan all attacked adin ross for showing porn to his underage audience when qt literally just advertised porn to her underage audience as well. The twitch elite of nepotism
Very much appreciate the take here. There's obviously the guard rails, like a toy review channel probably shouldn't take Fansly as a sponsor, but as long as your own morals are happy and most of your audience is too, personal preference is really all that's important
the problem is all his friend group, moist, qt, hasan all attacked adin ross for showing porn to his underage audience when qt literally just advertised porn to her underage audience as well.
If the attitude is "fuck them kids" then why were lud and charlie dogging on Adin for showing porn to his audience?
@@AggraYT Because Ludwig and Charlie are giving their fans _access_ to those kind of things. Aiden Ross _made_ people watch it whether they wanted to or not
@@AggraYTpeople can decide whether or not to download an app & create an account & put their card information in, which parents should be monitoring on a child’s device; adin’s audience wasn’t given a choice. he blatantly showed them the homepage of a porn site with visible nudity on stream. whether they were kids or not, i think it’s shit either way to without warning show porn to a non consenting audience. especially if that’s not the content he’s known for normally streaming.
@@AggraYTWhen did charlie ever say "f them kids" all he said is "both are bad but on wildly different scales"
Mogul mail seems to always be in trouble. You should take tips from Ludwig, he isn’t in trouble much.
Mogul Mail and Charlie's news breaks should combine into Mogul Moist News and just have you both greenscreened at a desk in a news studio.
This should be on top
5:33 I don’t think Ludwig remembers what happened 😂😂 “Susan”
Rolls of the tongue
@@ludwig get off your second account lud this is mogul mail
@@blitz676 what do you mean? That is titular streamer Ludwig commenting on a video by his arch-nemisis, MOGUL MAIL.
As soon as this drama started up my first thought was "wait... wasnt chess boxing sponsered by Fansly? why do people hate fansly all of a sudden?" and i thought maybe they had something happen, like some news came out about the company or whatever. But nope, it was just cause it was a QTCinderella event. If Ludwig had done the streamer awards and had the same Fansly sponsership there would have been zero drama guarenteed.
was Luds event pay to watch?
Exactly, though if it’s the Adin Ross fans (lmao) crying over it then what do you expect? They’re all 13 and hate women
also was QTs event pay to watch? I don't actually know.
@@RepublicansAreDeplorable nope just a regular stream. u can sub to not get ads on twitch but thats all. unless u talk about in person than they were both pay to watch in person
nah I guarantee the person creating a fuss is just a massive troll trying to go to the incels for a quick-clout/cash grab. the contrarian play. but her fan base is hardcore anti "woke", anti popular, anti anything thats viewed positively. realistically they don't give af about fansly. they are just mad at QT/Lud/Moist/OTV/OTK etc. If train/XQC/Destiny did a fansly stream they'd all cheer.
I thought the fansly ads were weird, but then 5 seconds past and I stopped thinking about it
I really like how Lud is being honest these days...
Clueless surely
Hes not
Not really
@@ekasism how is he not?
Nah they are all liars. The original video criticizing them said that QT did Fansly ads right after mario Kart kids stuff, thats why it was Immoral. Both Critikal and Ludwig, strawmanned that into "Is putting fansly ads ok in general" Lmao. Shooting at straws, actually decrepit and manipulative losers.
Originally I was going to say how inappropriate this ad was and all that, but then I took a peek at one of the nominated streamers and watched their chat for a bit and I realized it's the perfect ad for these viewers.
Ludy asserting dominance by making his video 3 seconds longer than Charlies. I see you.
personally, I think the biggest difference in the different events was how directly fansly made it clear about it being a sexual platform.
Very disappointed that QT and Lid would willingly advertise adult content knowing full well their audience is mostly kids under 18. Makes me sad to know they’re “morals” and “ethics” includes exposing kids to this content.
@@vig0s221 yeah there is no denying that. There really should have pushed to find a different sponcer, but I understand that it's probably really hard to find a sponcer like that in the current market, plus that they are streamers.
@@vig0s221 Also disappointed that Twitch allows it, knowing full well they ban streamers for even advertising their OF or Fansly accounts on stream. Usual Twitch L
Oh no! my adult content is sponsored by more adult content!! AAAAHHHHHHHH
i have never been bothered by your gambling, drinking and other adult themed content, even though i don't dabble in these myself
you guys are adult men, and you're entertaining while doing these things
i think its fine lol
There’s a difference between doing something and streaming yourself promoting something. You personally might not have any issue with that, but that doesn’t change that it without a doubt enables young viewers to become exposed/addicted to it.
@@Flapjack3734 that’s a parenting issue , not something content creators who create adult content for adults should be responsible for. You have to go to those sites and click yes, have some personal responsibility.
@@zeebug I think it is more that these folks made a huge deal out of gambling, taking gambling sponsorships and how that is damaging to show it to minors and stuff and now showing porn to minors which is quite addictive itself.
I usually like his takes but I think he is wrong on this one.
You could use the same argument for gambling. I seriously dont know why they made such a huge deal of gambling and made twitch ban it.
@@Flapjack3734 As someone who grew up on the internet, I don’t think it’s possible to avoid porn or otherwise sexual ads. RUclips itself is infested with porn bots in the comments, every other ad on older news websites is sexual in some way (Hot Young Ladies Near You etc), plus if you go to any site to watch or download movies/anime all of the ads are pornographic. I don’t think that Ludwig’s Fansly ad will be the first encounter or introduction of this type of media, for kids. It’s literally inescapable and I think everyone has had to become desensitised to it by now, to some extent.
Besides, the ads weren’t even that bad or graphic, I honestly didn’t even realise Fansly had pornographic content on there, even after watching the chess boxing event. Most people skip past the ad parts anyway. I really don’t think it matters that much
@@vic44rd I think the difference between the gambling and porn ads is that the gambling ads were extremely misleading about winning and were malicious in their predatory behavior! Porn is porn, you know exactly what you’re paying for. Lying about the win rates and using deceptive marketing skills to create new gambling addicts and people developing porn addictions on their own are two entirely different things! People can become addicted to anything, addiction is not a reason to act like all porn is bad when a majority of people don’t have addictions to it, much like alcohol. There are alcoholics , but that doesn’t mean everyone who drinks on stream is making their viewers addicted to alcohol, that’s a stupid take.
I personally don't feel comfortable watching fansly ads, it just doesnt feel like it belongs, but moneys money and these events are bangers so i'll still sit through them.
Speaking of the notorious gummy SAP episode, where's it at Lud. I will become a member if it means getting to watch that footage.
Mogul Mai Mai really scaping the bottom of the content barrel for this one. Seriously though, always appreciate how honest you are about sponsors, it's very refreshing. I usually skip sponsor ads but The Yard ones, for example, are so funny that I have to watch them. You seem to genuinely care about what your audience thinks about sponsors, big up Mr Mail.
…. Not my name…..
@@ludwig Holy shit, a reply from THE Pepepains?? I'm awestruck.
@@ludwig No kidding it’s not your name, they were talking about Mogul Mail, smh. No one mentioned you, Ludwig. Go back to playing SAP or whatever you stream, smh.
@@Teleee He doesn't even play games, React Andy over here biting Mogul Mai Mai's shit (jk I love the streams and your content has been a great source of comfort to me, genuine thanks) LULW CRINGEWIG
@@arrowheaded Ugh I see, I guess I expected too much from him, smh. Can’t believe Mogul Mail even is able to handle all of Ludwigs’ nonsense, smh. I mean, I like his streams, but man, he needs to stop stepping on the toes of our greatest news source, Mogul Mail. Smh.
Crazy that qt is the only person who has got hate for it when so many other people have done it. I wonder why 🤔🤔🤔
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@@djbobby224 she condemned unconsensual objectification, fansly is 100% consensual so where's the hypocrisy
You are right, we should blame both, Qt and Ludwig
@@djbobby224except she was complaining about objectifying women against their will, not women profiting off their own bodies, there's a huge difference there
@@djbobby224 wow dude, you're so smart, there truly is no difference between a woman choosing to present herself in a sexual way and women having porn of them produced and sold without their knowledge or consent. thank you so much for your razor sharp analysis.
I think that it is up to the creator and what they are going to push. I mean maybe putting a disclaimer or a 18+ on those ads is good. But if a kid is watching normal cable television. They are gonna see things just as lewd as the fansly ad.
No
I remember when I was a kid and Carls Jr. (Or Hardees depending on where you are in the US and assuming same ads) would be playing ads that were nothing but good looking women in very skimpy bikinis doing nothing but posing sexually for the camera while eating whatever burger they were advertising. And I would see those ads during pretty much any program that wasn't on a kid oriented network. Of course I think when those commercials showed up, I was about 12-13 so I was obviously never going to complain about seeing that but looking back at it now and what I've been hearing about any outrage towards "sexual" content. Not a lot has really changed.
@@orcast1046 have you seen the 2000’s go!daddy commercials, they were basically literally soft core porn
I agree, I saw worse as a child on TV. There is ads for casinos near me, constant ads for alcohol, lewd ads for companies that use boobs to get attention for ads, violent ads for movies and games. Seriously its not that big of a deal for streamers to take ads that help them make big productions. Could they do more research before taking some ads, sure, but are they getting children addicted to these things, no. That's on the parents to guide the child to things they should and shouldn't do.
when i was a kid i remember being up late watching sitcoms because i couldn't sleep and seeing MUCH MORE EXPLICIT ads for phone sex lines on tv. i didnt even have cable! that was public access television! and at like 3am they had the same kinds of ads running.
Time to become like cable TV and get those big pharma sponsors
People get fucking lawyer sponsors now.
The outrage really shows that its about who is getting sponsored, and not what it is
Yep, great point
yeah... basically whatever qt does, will get hate... thats the rule these idiots follow
In this case for sure. The timing was just really unfortunate with QT and the deep fakes right before the fansly sponsor.
If anyone are are up in arms with Fansly's PG-13 ads for streamer events, they should be writing angry letters to the NFL for those PG-13 beer commercials.
Yes. It is. It is not hypocritical for Ludwig to use Fansly, so nobody cares. QT using Fansly makes her in INSANELY big hypocrite, and she is receiving just criticism for it.
Very good take. Good for you mogul mail guy. Cant wait to hear what ludwig has to say.
Wow! Thank you for explaining all that from a creator perspective. I really learned a lot from this video about ad acceptance, and preference. Very fascinating.
0:48 i will use this clip in so many contexts this is beautiful
We're witnessing Twitch and RUclips becoming exactly like Hollywood in real time lmfao. Absolutely shameless.
maybe i'm just not paying attention, but i'd never heard a peep from people complaining about fansly sponsorships until qt started using them. that's so interesting to me...
because a lot of the people involved in putting the streamer awards together (QT's event) would complain about other creators doing morally gray sponsorships (like Stake, slots, etc.) in the name of "protecting children". obviously there were kids watching the streamer awards and there was no 18+ safeguard enabled by twitch. just goes to show if you are going to call out other creators for doing stuff, expect to get called out yourself when you do things that can be criticized
as a member of your audience, fansly sponsors are chill. get that bag brotha
2:28 "SOB, I do those" Well, friendship's over (diplomacy is hard) 😂
While I definitely think there's a difference between showing porn on stream and taking a fansly ad, I think it's important to keep everyone in check and questioning if they're being hypocritical or not just so people don't get clouded by their own hatred
Truth. Especially when people are so critical of others for advertising porn to kids. QT and Hasan sit on a podcast like they're on an untouchable throne, meanwhile they're constantly being hypocrites.
Agreed, there should be some self reflection before coming around and throwing shit at someone new every 4 days
The real Question is Why Are the Same People Not mad about Instagram or RUclips or Everything ever 🤣
I guess it’s only a „Problem“ for People From the USA bc they Are the Most hipocrites when it comes to Stuff like That.
Bobs? Bad very Bad !!
Guns? Yeah Baby Yeah!!
What if adin's target audience is adults, why doesn't he get a pass?
@@joelblanco1800because you can see the average age of your viewers. QT's viewers aversge around mid 20's. Adin's average around mid teens. Thats why, hes knowingly showing porn to children for no reason. QT is showing a relatively tame ad for the sake of funding. See the difference?
QT’s reaction has me dying 🤣🤣🤣
I think it's important for content creators to recognize that their sponsors aren't buying an ad space, they're buying an endorsement. As much as it may be treated as an ad, many viewers will see it as an endorsement and then proceed to purchase that product. This is what the advertisers are paying for.
Bro just stop getting in trouble, I can’t keep up with the clown car anymore
Thank god Ludwig didn't criticise Adin Ross for promoting porn in kick. My guy with selective outrage is proving the point on how he is a hypocrite.
The problem is way more that you can login to Fansly with a twitch account that you create as a minor, not Fansly itself.
Yeah that's concerning. You only need to say you are 13+ to have a Twitch account. Maybe they verify that you're 18+ in the sign up process for Fansly anyways?
And to view any porn websites minors have to make one click that stopped no one ever. The "confirm you are 18" is only a legal thing, otherwise it's completely useless. Even signing up on fansly with a twitch account is more work than that. Most teenagers that are 13+ (twitch signup age) are probably well familiar with porn, that's around the age most of them get curious. Unless there are children watching that are too young even for twitch, I doubt the fansly ad would introduce any kids to adult content
@@EncryptedBear8 Yes, but it does introduce them to the idea of viewing female streamers in a sexual light. My biggest issue with it is the fact that basically everyone on twitch speaks out against the sexualization of female streamers, and then go on to advertise things like Fansly.
is it also problematic that you can create a gmail account as a minor because you can use a gmail email to sign up to fansly? and for basically any other porn site as well?
@@Mr.Bimgus I think the difference there is that the streamers who go onto fansly are probably okay with being sexualized (specifically on that site), given that they are working on/with a p*rn site. Twitch is for being a decent human being, fansly is where you can take your debauchery.
This video have so much good information for people that are becoming influencers or having online careers
totally fine with your sponsors, keep doing what you do
Keep sponsoring a porn site that degrades woman honestly stfu
ludwig always had a good way of being genuine and straight forward in an increasingly sensitive world, im glad hes not afraid to be himself and say some things that not everyone agrees with. ts is why he's the goat
You got me riled up Lud, very good points- started a debate with a few friends that don’t watch streams, and it was interesting to hear their sides and opinions as well.
As a European as well (not sure if that’s necessary related)- I don’t see a problem with fansly sponsorship, especially if they’re able to bring so much good to the streaming world.
Content creators who choose tha path of earning money with nudity was never the issue, rather knowing the side affects this could have on certain viewers to take it too far, with streamers that don’t choose to get sexualised- to be sexualised.
It seems that the shit this sponsorship gets is because of the selected aggro fans, and what they might want to do *outside* of the site. I believe sadly that the sexualisation will happen regardless, might as well support a website that allows selected streamers do it on their own terms and perhaps stop the need of sexualising the streamers that don’t want to be sexualised.
It has to do with the pornographic content. It's like your favorite streamers got together for one big stream and sent everyone a link to only fans with a prepaid account as you can use twitch to create an account even one that's 13 years old. That's the problem.
the problem is all his friend group, moist, qt, hasan all attacked adin ross for showing porn to his underage audience when qt literally just advertised porn to her underage audience. The twitch elite of nepotism
@@seam5818 I dont remember who it was exactly but to quote a wise man I'll say "fuck them kids"
As another fellow european i also really dont mind the sponsor itself but i feel like the ad was a bit too sexual. I'm very much pro-sexwork but the ad did take me out of an otherwise pretty wholesome event.
QT seems to acknowledge that its a bit much judging by the clip ludwig shared so i assume they'll tune it down for the next event they'll be a main sponsor for (if people still want to get sponsored by them)
I’ve never clicked a sponsored link. Idc who sponsors who
Appreciate the take, Ludwig! And I agree. If the event was specifically geared towards kids, then yeah, fansly shouldn't sponsor. But it's not a children's event. It's more like the Oscar's, which I don't watch, but assume has similar commercial standards as the super bowl, which had those GoDaddy commercials. Honestly, the fact that none of the men with Fansly sponsors got drama, but QT did, makes me question if this would have happened if you or XQC or Jerma was the host and if not, why.
Moreover the comparison that people make between mentioning the notion of adult content and showing it is insane. Conservatives literally live in a world where you either don’t acknowledge the existence of something or you think it is always good to be using that thing or product.
But when people stream Gambling then all of a sudden people ignore that those people streams are meant for adults and bring up children in their audience.
Because "streamer awards" considered to be a public event with large and huge audience meanwhile individual event like ludwig said is different thing. It's more like subjective and segmented.
@@punkxxtgambling is bad and life ruining no matter what age you are, thats the difference. no one cares if a 25 year old watches porn on fansly, but if that 25 year old gambles all his money away bc of slot streams, thats an issue irrespective of the fact hes 25. basically, age is the biggest issue when it comes to porn, whereas age is not the biggest issue when it comes to gambling
The age limit to attend the Streamer Awards is 16+; hence, it's not truly an adult's only event because minors (or if you prefer to call them young adults) can attend it. Scott Shafer also pointed out that Ludwig's boxing event and xQc's gameshow both used Fansly as a sponsor in his video, and he even reached out to both but did not get a response during the time of him recording his video on this topic.
what an outstanding take by our favorite youtuber Mogul Mail! if only ludwig had such astonishing commentary skills
I really miss the poker streams. You were goated at poker
Fansly Ads = Marketing Porn
Creators Getting Money > Not Doing a Bad Thing
It's a tale as old as RUclips
Drama, who would’ve thought
The Copium is strong with this one.
man i would hate to be a parent right now...the world is crazy and the internet is basically a free for all as long as these streamers can make some $$$$
Oh Mogul Mail... Never change 😂🤣❤
Ooophf, my sides hurt.
Moral of the story: “Thank you Susan, sign it again.” 5:30
Every Ludwig Video Now: "I wasn't going to comment/talk/mention/etc thiis but.... here is my 10-20 minute opinion anyway."
I really only have two issues with Fansly and OnlyFans as sponsors (which are the same thing).
1. Amouranth situation made me aware that even though it's Fansly or Onlyfans there still can be a person behind the curtain controlling things.
2. Fansly doesn't have 18+ verification according to Charlie? So kids can easily access the website and pay for nudity? If it was casually nudity I wouldn't care. But now you trick kids into paying for nudity. Which educate them really weird about nudity and sexuality in my opinion
Best solution would be to have a kid internet, but that is a dream scenario!
Nah the best solution would be using the myriad of moderation tools and software you can install on a computer or phone to monitor and block your child from accessing adult sites, the responsibility always falls on the parents in situations like this.
I personally don't mind adult sponsors, Fansly is totally fine. As long as the ad itself is SFW.
Honestly, the point you make about “looking out for the kids” is SO correct. At this point in time the internet is over sanitised to please “family friendly” advertisers and thus hindering your content as a creator, restricting you about what you can, and cannot do, so THE KIDS could enjoy it. But consuming stuff on the internet in any capacity requires direct action from the participants. Sites like OnlyFans, Fansly (I suppose, as I am not directly familiar with it) or even AO3 that has a large archive of NSFW content will need you to sign up and directly interact with warnings of it’s inappropriate content for children. If someone decides to go along with, or blatantly disregard those warnings, it is their conscious decision, and their consent for viewing a page. So I just don’t think people should cry hey ho about stuff like this, as you said, the events where this sponsorships happen aren’t targeted or meant for children anyways, and if somebody decides to interact with the sponsor’s content… Well, it is purely up to them on that point, regardless of their age.
The problem is he’s supporting adult content in twitch when he went hard on train
@@__-nd5qi gambling and aduIt content are not even remotely the same, comparing them is like comparing being stabbed to being slapped. Gambling addiction is a serious and widespread probIem that destroys peopels lives irrevrsibly for multiple intricate and compounding reasons, most of the people who cIaim to have corn addiction dont and just have little self control. Having little self control is not the same as an addiction. Its mind boggling how people compare the two, so many young guys just want to feel like victims so they cling onto this idea that they have an addiction when they dont
@@botanicalitus4194 a man murdered his entire family over a webcam girl man was like 25
@@botanicalitus4194 corn addiction is just as bad as gambling
@@botanicalitus4194o does corn addiction?? u don't have to put one down to defend another. corn addiction can make u an insomniac, lead to cheating cause more damage to other people and yourself, divorced rates doubled when viewship of corn increased, depression anxiety, losing a lot of money by just filling it into corn websites or cam girls. it is a serious issue just as gambling is. the comparison of being stabbed to slapped is not even close LOL.
Logged into my account for the first time in months to comment on this, and at the end of the day my take is that Lud has a good track record with listening to the community, keeping an eye on the people and brands he chooses to associate with, and generally being a pretty trustworthy creator.
I trust him to drop the company if they start pulling any weird stuff.
It's an 18+ website. A literal porn site.
Very disappointed that QT and Lid would willingly advertise adult content knowing full well their audience is mostly kids under 18. Makes me sad to know they’re “morals” and “ethics” includes exposing kids to this content.
I'm glad you brought this up in a video, but I imagine a lot of people were expecting you to touch on the fact that you can sign up for a fansly account through twitch without age verification, which is the entire point and problem the videos people made about fansly sponsorships were upset about. That needs to be brought to the spotlight by big creators and fixed. If they actually had proper age verification, nobody would care that big creators took a sponsorship from fansly.
Agreed! I'm ok with Fansly sponsorships, as long as they are actually verifying the age of its users. How? Idk honestly. Some apps in my country ask you to scan your national ID to access it, but I'm always a bit skeptical about their usage of private information lol
Don't most websites that age verify just tell you to check a button that says yes, I'm 18+ lol, which doesn't do shit
Yeah that’s the main point where even Charlie’s conceded that he was wrong and didn’t know about it. It’s a shame he didn’t address that .
@@xyz_abc123 But I would assume that you need to create an account to use Fansly, so maybe they could ask for an ID or something like that.
In all honesty I wasn't comfortable with the fans ley advertisement
lugwig coping so hard trying to say he doesn't give asf about the kids when a majority of his audience is probably younger than 18
He’s actually stated his statistics a few times. His average viewership was between like 18-25.
This wasn’t a stream meant for kids- people are just doing anything they can to blow this out of proportion.
@@zander2190 you do realize those are probably kids saying they're 18, we all did it as teenagers to bypass websites, etc. analytics of age doesn't mean much when people can lie about their age easily, also not a stream for kids? They had a literal MarioKart ad playing before the fansly one, at least a warning that its popping up or 18+ warning in the stream bio would be enough.
@@Seniorjohnson Right like its going to happen regardless but obviously promoting something like that at the streamer awards which had an avg age range for viewers of 16-24 is definitively going to lead to more children being exposed to porn and QT has a part to play in that furthermore that alone is MUCH WORSE than the deep fakes of her or any other streamer that she and many others made a huge deal out of it then turn around and actively downplay this.... THE AUDACITY !
At least Lud is genuine in his sponsors and actually uses them
No mention of the fact that it's possible to sign into Fansly using a twitch account belonging to someone who's underage?
Ludwig not middle of the road on this one ;) can’t wait for yard ep
Ludwig is the realist of the real, that's why I watch. No bullshit, no hiding, what you see is what you get and this world would be a better place if everyone was like him.
the problem is all his friend group, moist, qt, hasan all attacked adin ross for showing porn to his underage audience when qt literally just advertised porn to her underage audience as well.
Exactly, he's so refreshingly authentic. Even when he's memeing, lying and scamming, he's genuine about it.
He's a real one, fer sure.
Always appreciate the way you cover drama
You're really good at getting your point across while seeing both sides of an argument
Ludwig "I originally wasn't gonna say anything about this" Ahgren
How is this any different from beer companies advertising during the Super Bowl?
The Fansly ad is a little much lol, but so are beer commercials. People are just mad for no reason with this one imo.
My honest to god take is this: The Streamer Awards is like a digital version of the oscars or golden globes. Sure it’s less famous and prestigious but atleast the voting is fair. That kind of show draws in kids to watch. To have an audience where a lot of children are watching and then promote adult content is very iffy. For Lud’s chessboxing it’s different, boxing is already aimed at an older more mature audience, therefore the adult content sponsorship is less iffy
This
yeah kids love the oscars.
@@sean2mush I remember waiting all year for the Oscars as a child!
I don’t really mind the fansly sponsor, you do you man
Ludwig runs ads like Ryan Reynolds’ good ads. Makes them entertaining so it’s fire
for me, I think it's less the sponsor itself, but the ad explicitly marketing it as adult content. which is against twitch TOS to advertise/promote your adult content sites, and strreamers have gotten banned for. so for this big event to get away with saying "hey go check out adult content on fansly", when smaller streamers get banned for that, kinda sucks
Critics: think of the children
Ludwig: no, I don’t think I will.
Streamers advertising porn is like a porn advert popping up in the middle of a spongebob episode. You know your audience. Its weird.
Ludwig “I wasn’t gonna make a video about this” Ahgren
Great video. I don't get why taking a Fansly sponsor would be seen as hypocrisy. Even for QT's event. Because of the deepfake thing? People can't see the difference between Fansly and a shady deepfake website?
Because qt a few minute before said they weren't streaming it on kick because they weren't streaming porn and the immediate turned it around and played an ad for a porn company a few minutes later. It's hypocritical to do that.
Also deep fake is pretty much just a more realistic version of porn drawn by other people. Yes it's more realistic, but it's not worse then sending a link to a porn websight to underage fans for a profit. That's the true issue.
I think its cause she attacked Kick for promoting corn while she did it via an fansly ad.
Wasn't she talking about explicit porn, like what Adin did? I mean, I won't post explicit porn anywhere on the internet, but if someone asks where they could find it, I can say a few sites, like the hub and the x, for example. I don't see the problem with that.
@@seam5818 Deepfake is way worse, because the image on fansly is from girls that knows what they are doing and what they are showing. Deepfake porn exposes girls without their consent. That's totally different. Is the same difference between sex and rape, btw. I hope you can see that.
Thanks for being open and honest about what goes into your decision making process. I respect that a lot.
Love luds honesty tbh
I don't care about a fansly sponsorship. It doesn't seem like it's really a big deal
"Censorship is like taking a steak away from a grown man because a baby can't chew it"
-Mark Twain
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