@@JackDoodleI mean the people makeing the laws and codes and decisions most of the time don’t live there liek the gov of most small towns actually live in big ones far away it used to be a big problem in the Midwest
Its almost like the city would ask them "just put a sign that says its illegal to ram a vehicle into your building" like criminals would follow those advise
After the fourth robbery the city told them to install concrete flower pots. On the fifth robbery, they saw one guy roll them away before driving into the building. 🥲
@@imcannabess Seems like they value more the well being of the criminals more than the capability of the people to work and live in peace. Even after paying taxes.
I can understand why you wouldn't want to add bollards on the sidewalk, but what about like the space between the sidewalk and the street? That would also make it safer for pedestrians
Unfortunately daddy government is slow and bloated. It would rather continue to allow citizens like the workers and business owners to be harmed then allow us to fix our own problems. They fear we might not be so reliant on them if we did that 😱
Guy in my town lived on a corner where drunk drivers would drive through his wall. After the third rebuild he picked a Rhinowall design. Passenger vehicles can't break through it.
The hedgehogs were metal the pole were wooden and had an anti tank mine in top people get the idea they were to rip boats apart because in saving private Ryan the set installed them backwards
For 150k in losses, they can reinforce the shop with so much stainless steel that the robbers would fly out of the windshield if they rammed another car in there.
Lol it sounds like the city is not so subtly hinting that they want to chase this business out of town. I wouldn't be surprised if they get frequent visits from local 'health inspectors'.
Redmond is home to Microsoft, less than 10 minutes away from that corner, where probably 75% of employees are cannabis consumers. The city would be fools to turn down their revenue. Cannabis is taxed so heavily in WA that this business is probably generating more tax revenue than the entire rest of the block combined.
What i dont get is that bollards are smaller than those concret blocks. Of course that a private shop can't appropriate the sidewalk for themselves and the public has the right to walk by but a concrete block seems more of an obstacle to wheelchairs than those bollars.
The concrete blocks are against the wall of the business but the bollards need to be a certain distance away from the building to be effective. You'll notice that in the images of the other buildings she shows. In this case it looks like they'd need to be in the middle of the pavement (I'd guess that the electrical from the lights might make it not possible to install at the edge of the road) which would make that area impossible to navigate using mobility aids like wheelchairs and scooters.
The first commenter is 100% right PLUS the concrete blocks are simply resting there, bollards need to be installed in the pavement meaning they would need to tear up parts of the sidewalk to install them.
Businesses need to be ADA compliant. I don't think they're being unreasonable with having concrete blocks over bollards. You could definitely anchor the blocks to the pavement and effectively do the same as the bollards
I could easily see some asinine criminal-sympathizing lawyer trying to spin that as a booby trap. "Your honor, no honest reasonable criminal with a motorized vehicle as a battering ram would ever presume there to be a set of deterrent posts of metal within a wall they're trying to destroy. It's negligent and malicious and (quite frankly) racist to threaten my client's life who just needs this cannabis to feed their family 😢😢😢"
@@Atamastra WARNING THIS BUILDING IS PROTECTED BY INTERNAL 6" STEEL BOLLARDS,RAMMING A AUTOMOTIVE OR OTHER MACHINE OR DEVICE INTO THE BUILDING MAY LEAD TO INJURY OR DEATH
@@Atamastra They could probably bake it into a structural modification. In the form of needed structural reinforcement seeing how the building has been crashed into so many times... No your honor it's not a trap. It's a structural repair. 😉😉
@@The-Caged-King if you are losing $30k per issue then you will be going out of business. Again if you have the time and funds to get a response by a lawsuit for lack of protection from the city, great but the easier outcome is to move to a place that can protect your business. As insurance coverage that is going to get expensive besides repairs to the business. ✌🏻
I would say instal "definitely normal" 10 inch steel beams into the wall and "heavy duty glass" and "Decorative" steel spikes Pointing out inside of the building. Then there would be some major surprises
I've seen some places do something not quite as extreme but just as maliciously compliant. They install roll down steel shutters that they close at night, and have removable/deployable bollards that go immediately behind the steel shutters. You would think you're ramming a lightweight steel shutter and suddenly slam into the solid bollard right that's right behind it.
It would have to be a wheelchair as big as a car. The laws are stupid and lawyers love them. I am sure Toney groups lobby to change ADA laws by a fraction of an inch so they can Harris and extort business owners. Insanity that can be solved by common sense.
Couldn't the ADA rules be used against the city as well? What if they ask to install a long winding wheelchair ramp around the corner, with very low slope, but extremely sturdy handrails?
@@G8tr1522OP called disabled people having rights unfortunate. There's 0 reason to assume they're right, especially when the concrete installations are bigger than a bollard
@Bdcrock Thank you, but it's not just me. I have a team behind, that help me b produce such excellent response. Of course my team is excellently paid. We have a state of the art office. Our A.I. is the best in the country.
Considering they didn’t imply its the same few people or that the police are searching for or arresting the criminals, more concerningly it implies it has been different people each time it has happened
@BossKnight How do you know different people do each robbery. How do you know although the people may be different they may be related through gang membership. The real problem is our criminal justice system.
@@jamesmooney8933 in this case it really isn’t atleast from what I know so far, it probably lead to this happening in general to some degree, but I don’t think it is the cause for these specific instances, and I told you what led me to that conclusion that they are different people, and there are much better ways of robbing a store than ramming a car into it, I think we need to genuinely comprehend the absurdity of this, They are ramming massive veichles into a store front to Rob it, they’re not even just trying to get through the door or something less inconspicuous , they are taking down a entire wall, And I imagine some are Drunk to some degree cause unless you think your invincible you wouldn’t do this, and Weed isn’t even addictive so its not like its addiction either (or if it is, that weed wouldn’t be spiked like what they’d be addicted to)
Pneumatic bollard. It's retracted when not in use, can be put closer to the building than those concrete blocks, and extend as part of your lockup. Problem is, the roof is still a weakpoint for access, at that point you're better off just getting pneumatic storage and tossing carpet over it. Plus these upstanding citizens are still going to drive through...
Unfortunately it keeps happening at like 2-3am when nobody is there to protect it. Would be crazy if, ya know, the city put a cop on duty there to catch the people driving cars into buildings in their town.
I know yoyr joking, but tht actually is a semi good idea for this hyper specific scenario, Your both basically putting parking spaces down for bikers to your store well also hopefully guarding it from the weird uncle dave speeding down the highway
Would retractable bollards allowe the sidewalk to be ADA and the store to be ADA accessible during store hours and yet unable to be driven into? The other option would be to install bollards INSIDE the store even though it cuts into the usable space in the store.
Honestly, i dont feel bad for em. Part of business is picking the right spot that protects your business and these type of smash and grabs are pretty common with dispensaries. When you uave a business like this, security should be 1 of the first 3 things you think of. Most cigarette shops take this into mind when picking locations then add reincorced gates behind the store front, or stronger stiff. We have a dispensary in my town that put cement pillars up inside the shop itself to prevent this kind of thing
The spikes won't stop the vehicles, they still carry enough momentum that they would smash the building. And people can still walk around the area at night so it is still dangerous to pedestrians.
The retractable bollards take up 7.5" for the pad, just under 7" from the building wall when in use. Sure they're about 800 a pop, but cheaper than one smash.
I mean they clearly already took up that space with the concrete blocks anyway. City is just being dumb government robots because there's nothing in the code that SPECIFICALLY allows for bollards, but apparently concrete blocks that take up more room are allowed.
Sounds like that location is not suitable for them then. People love to ignore ADA accessibility but disabled people should be able to navigate sidewalks and enforcing standards is what city codes should be doing.
@@BigFootTheRealOne But the ADA laws are very strict. You're risking a million-dollar lawsuit for installing those, no matter how accessible they may be.
@@olachens just gotta go with malicious compliance then. Install a completely unnecessary wheelchair ramp that wraps around the building, and happens to stop cars from driving into the building as well!
Granted they're tearing down most tents and homeless collectives. If this is an issue you have an issue with, try looking towards the source which is the fact most cities have absolutely no help for the homeless. You can't get a job if you look and smell like shit, sometimes you need an address just to collect pay, and homeless shelters have waiting lists that go months out. Our society, red or blue, tries it's hardest to keep people from repairing their lives
@@bruhbruh7272 the problem is if your city DOES provide any additional help for the homeless, they tend to become a magnet for the homeless as they move to your city to access those services. It's kind of a catch-22, the places that have literally no support system for the homeless, have the least homeless people because they literally can't survive there and have to move on. We want you to repair your life.... somewhere else on someone else's dime
they need to hire a lawyer and try to see if they can find a loophole that can help them with the buildings exterior. The city has guidelines they have to follow. So what you have to do is find a loophole.
So dumb. Just have a security guard present at all times for a few months and put up signs saying “armed security 24 hours”. Then eventually get rid of the guards but keeps the sign?
One armed security guard likely making $15 an hour or less is not going to do shit to stop 3+ armed thieves. Hell, they don't even stand that great a chance against one thief, if the thief gets the drop on them (anyone with any experience in self defense knows that the bad guy always gets the drop, just how shit works)
"Why wont the city let this shop protect itself" Maybe because the only protection they're asking for impedes on the freedom of movement of disabled people. 🙃 There are PLENTY of these shops in the area and even more vacant shops that they could move to, but instead they're complaining that they cant make life harder for people with disabilities. As someone who lives in the area, thank you for letting me know i should tell everyone to avoid this shop like the plague.
Because its an establishment that operates just on the grey side of the law and if actually investigate could be shut down. Almost every single one of these places deals without an ID
Ok this sounds really dumb when you dont look into why they said no. There are codes and ordinances to be followed when constructing things and you have to have so much space. The concrete blocks on the other hand would not have to fit the same guidlines as the posts would. The city is actually attempting to help knowing that at times the code can be a pain in the butt.
The reason the blocks are allowed, even though they're bigger, is because theyre right up against the building and keep the sidewalk wide enough for wheelchair users. Bollards are smaller, but they need to be placed further away from the building to be effective. They would need be in the middle of that sidewalk, making it impassible for wheelchair users to use the sidewalk. It's a frustrating situation but public accessibility is important. The business can think of new solutions or move locations
... so it goes against accessability codes. That is the city being hamstrung, not them "not being allowed to protect themselves." You said it yourself: vehicles are ramming through the walls. There's not much you can do against 3000lb guided missiles.
@@imcannabess I mean, I find solid ounces for like $30-50 all over town. Material cost for growing (seeds, soil, water, nutrients) aren't expensive, but the electricity, facility (or land), and labor it takes to cultivate a decent product isn't cheap. You're forgetting that there's other costs associated with things than just the raw materials.
this is where theft insurance comes in hopefully, most bussinesses have some sort of policy for it granted this store alone probably raises their rates alot
Unfortunately theft insurance isn’t always covered for 420-friendly businesses. Heck, I know even in Seattle non-420 businesses had their insurance cancelled after multiple robberies.
A business suffering from chronic break ins like this would basically have 0 chance to be insured since the insurance companies don't want to keep paying out.
I worked for a business that was the victim of multiple catastrophic break ins like this. The price of the insurance policy increased 500% and the deductible went up to $30 grand per break in (this was 40 years ago) and that was IF the insurance company was still willing to write a policy. Insurance only works once or twice and then it costs more than a potential break in.
@@oldsguy354 it is insane that they can both raise rates, and deductable can be insane because your high risk. and also this is one of those this is why we cant have nice things moment because police enforcement and goverment does nothing to fix any of the issues
@@aaronmorris4327 I don't blame insurance companies. They are in the business to mitigate risks. If they are getting repeated claims from an insured, have to take steps to make sure they aren't paying out more than they take in. The higher the risk, the more you have to pay to get coverage. Increasing the deductible is just another way to reduce their liability for loss. That's just how it works. If you're a good bet, they can make it more affordable. If you're a bad bet, they have to charge you more. If you have several catastrophic losses on your cars collision policy, they have to charge you more to help cover the losses. Insurance is for what MIGHT happen. If it's pretty much a sure thing that it WILL happen, they are going to charge you as much as (or more) than they are sure they are going to pay to cover the loss, or they just drop you altogether because it's unrealistic to spread your losses on to the rest of their customers. If I have a business with no claims for a decade and the insurance company tells me they have to dramatically raise my rates because a business across town got broke into 10 times, I'm going buy insurance from someone who mitigates their risk exposure better.
The strange thing about this is, even though the city is 30 minutes away from Seattle, it has VERY low crime. The city barely ever deals with issues like this so it probably doesn’t think it needs to.
The other safety issues is bollards can be hazardous in the event of a collision at the intersection. That’s why a lot of places restrict them to parking lots and plazas where speeds are limited. Hitting a bollard at speed that isn’t designed roadway speeds could lead to significant injuries. That’s why things like street lights have very specific design requirements. They limit potential injuries
I'll try to be civil about this, as a Texan; perhaps if not the masonry choice, elect new officials or poll for a new statute that allows wider options. I get the property value, corner lot; I get the differing laws, TX v. WA; maybe apply for a subsidy for CCTV, or request the city broaden their current CCTV due to there being corner shops. Hope it gets the gears turning.
Most cities in Europe and Australia cover their sidewalks in bollards, especially in the city centre to keep cars from ramming into pedestrians on public squares and pedestrianized streets. Allowing bollards should be a no brainer.
We have medium steel and concrete bollards on lots of busy corners around here. They protect people while they wait to cross, and from buses that don't make the turn wide enough. ADA compliant is basically: wide enough for a wide wheelchair. Which is roughly half the width of a car.
The area between the sidewalk and the street can have bollards installed in it. This way it doesn't affect handicapped access/us of the sidewalk, but cars can't drive over the curb into the store.
With no second floor what would be the cost to rebuild the street facing walls out of something that can't be easily rammed through? I can think of several ways to accomplish that. But which ones wouldn't be prohibited by local building or fire codes?
That's the biggie. I've worked for local government before and seen the process for building permits and new construction and there's a shitload of hoops people have to jump through. The town I was in had super strict rules for the materials that could be used, colors that were allowed, signage regulations, etc. It ends up costing a whole lot more than just the construction cost because you end up going through endless meetings and planning to comply with all the regulation.
By "not enough space" they mean "we don't wanna pay workers to do work and install them and they have to be installed by approved workers so too bad so sad, L bozo"
And this is why the rest of us think the left coast is dogshit. There are several ways to protect yourself in free states, none of them are apparently permitted.
Really not a fan of the city using the ADA for this, bollards have been proven to have a cut curb effect. My boyfriend is legally blind, and bollards provide a clear easy guide as to where the sidewalk ends, with minimal design interruptions, they can be used by wheelchair users as leverage to mount a steep curb. It’s just so deeply frustrating that the ADA is applied in all the wrong places, we need flashing fire alarms and functional door open buttons and maintained concrete disruptors on crosswalks but THIS is what it’s being used for??
The merchandise theft isnt even the biggest expense. The biggest expense is the massive fucking hole in the front of the building lol
And fucking insurance
Both
Iq police nonsense
Those 6” steel poles are to disruptive to the sidewalk… but have you tried massive concrete blocks?
Government makes no sense sometimes
@daniels.3062 "sometimes"? I think the better statement is Sometimes the Government actually makes sense.
He did just like the video showed and the city allowed. They didn't work.
Government exist only to harass
@@JackDoodleI mean the people makeing the laws and codes and decisions most of the time don’t live there liek the gov of most small towns actually live in big ones far away it used to be a big problem in the Midwest
Its almost like the city would ask them "just put a sign that says its illegal to ram a vehicle into your building" like criminals would follow those advise
After the fourth robbery the city told them to install concrete flower pots. On the fifth robbery, they saw one guy roll them away before driving into the building. 🥲
@@imcannabess
Seems like they value more the well being of the criminals more than the capability of the people to work and live in peace.
Even after paying taxes.
Come on, man! 😂
You have to follow it up with legislation requiring criminals to follow the law. There! All world problems solved!
I make this joke all the time.
Im gonna have a mosqito free zone sign made to look identical to the gun free zone signs at school
I can understand why you wouldn't want to add bollards on the sidewalk, but what about like the space between the sidewalk and the street? That would also make it safer for pedestrians
I fear we dont like investing in things that encourage pedestrians. Theyd probably say its unnecessary and a risk to cars
Unfortunately daddy government is slow and bloated. It would rather continue to allow citizens like the workers and business owners to be harmed then allow us to fix our own problems. They fear we might not be so reliant on them if we did that 😱
Not the shop’s land and the city ain’t gonna pay for jack shit even if it helps pedestrians
It’s un-American caring too much for pedestrians.
do you mean the _bike lane??_
Guy in my town lived on a corner where drunk drivers would drive through his wall. After the third rebuild he picked a Rhinowall design. Passenger vehicles can't break through it.
personally id go with ww2 style hedgehogs or those sort of "spears" meant to puncture boats in normandy
@@ThePapino134spears? Do you mean the wooden poles pearched at a angle?
The hedgehogs were metal the pole were wooden and had an anti tank mine in top people get the idea they were to rip boats apart because in saving private Ryan the set installed them backwards
Just as the founding fathers intended.
For 150k in losses, they can reinforce the shop with so much stainless steel that the robbers would fly out of the windshield if they rammed another car in there.
ah yes, small concrete blocks and a bit of extra metal on the door, famously entirely car proof. i love how smart the government is.
Welcome to the woke government
Why wouldn't concrete blocks work. It works on highways.
@@Tallula_Lula It really depends on the size of the block. I imagine the smaller ones that would be allowed probably aren't big enough.
Damn you're ever dumber than them @@AlexJohns-kw2um
@@AlexJohns-kw2umADA is woke now? Is the civil rights act woke too?
Lol it sounds like the city is not so subtly hinting that they want to chase this business out of town. I wouldn't be surprised if they get frequent visits from local 'health inspectors'.
Redmond is home to Microsoft, less than 10 minutes away from that corner, where probably 75% of employees are cannabis consumers. The city would be fools to turn down their revenue. Cannabis is taxed so heavily in WA that this business is probably generating more tax revenue than the entire rest of the block combined.
Ah yes a “ Shop”
Had to edit it so the video doesn’t get flagged. 🤷🏻♀️
It's legal in over half of our states but still can't say the word. Amazing times we live in
That's what happens when you smoke "⬛️◼️◼️". You don't realize you should "⬛️◼️◼️◼️" your business to a different location.
Stop your about it and just accept this for what it is you !
@@gravityissues5210 🤣🤣🤣
What i dont get is that bollards are smaller than those concret blocks.
Of course that a private shop can't appropriate the sidewalk for themselves and the public has the right to walk by but a concrete block seems more of an obstacle to wheelchairs than those bollars.
The concrete blocks are against the wall of the business but the bollards need to be a certain distance away from the building to be effective. You'll notice that in the images of the other buildings she shows. In this case it looks like they'd need to be in the middle of the pavement (I'd guess that the electrical from the lights might make it not possible to install at the edge of the road) which would make that area impossible to navigate using mobility aids like wheelchairs and scooters.
The first commenter is 100% right PLUS the concrete blocks are simply resting there, bollards need to be installed in the pavement meaning they would need to tear up parts of the sidewalk to install them.
Wonder what would happen to the politicians' home security if this was happening to them?
Fort Knox would looks like a park in comparison.
Businesses need to be ADA compliant. I don't think they're being unreasonable with having concrete blocks over bollards. You could definitely anchor the blocks to the pavement and effectively do the same as the bollards
But metal poles would certainly take up LESS space than large concrete blocks@@Megaawesomeguy
Install the bolards on the inside of the building, or put them in the walls
I could easily see some asinine criminal-sympathizing lawyer trying to spin that as a booby trap.
"Your honor, no honest reasonable criminal with a motorized vehicle as a battering ram would ever presume there to be a set of deterrent posts of metal within a wall they're trying to destroy. It's negligent and malicious and (quite frankly) racist to threaten my client's life who just needs this cannabis to feed their family 😢😢😢"
@@Atamastra WARNING THIS BUILDING IS PROTECTED BY INTERNAL 6" STEEL BOLLARDS,RAMMING A AUTOMOTIVE OR OTHER MACHINE OR DEVICE INTO THE BUILDING MAY LEAD TO INJURY OR DEATH
@@Atamastra They could probably bake it into a structural modification. In the form of needed structural reinforcement seeing how the building has been crashed into so many times...
No your honor it's not a trap. It's a structural repair. 😉😉
The solution is to leave the city.
The solution is don't vote blue
@@AlexJohns-kw2umokay traitor.
It’s a pot shop. They need to be where all the people are to sell pot.
@@AlexJohns-kw2umyeah so the red illegalizes the fucking business? are you dumb oh wait self answering question
@@AlexJohns-kw2umRed definitely isn’t the one allowing pot shops to stay open 😂
Just move your business to a different location or sue the city for not letting you protect your business.
You can’t sue for them not letting you protect your store……
@@elf150hz the city didn't not let them protect their business
✌🏻
Ah yes… just upend your entire business and move all of your inventory and employees to a new location.
@@The-Caged-King if you are losing $30k per issue then you will be going out of business. Again if you have the time and funds to get a response by a lawsuit for lack of protection from the city, great but the easier outcome is to move to a place that can protect your business. As insurance coverage that is going to get expensive besides repairs to the business. ✌🏻
I would say instal "definitely normal" 10 inch steel beams into the wall and "heavy duty glass" and "Decorative" steel spikes Pointing out inside of the building. Then there would be some major surprises
I've seen some places do something not quite as extreme but just as maliciously compliant. They install roll down steel shutters that they close at night, and have removable/deployable bollards that go immediately behind the steel shutters.
You would think you're ramming a lightweight steel shutter and suddenly slam into the solid bollard right that's right behind it.
Unfortunately the ADA rules supercede local ordinances so the city may actually be correct here. If they allow bollards, someone will probably sue
It's an excuse. There's plenty of ways to install bollards and remain ada compliant
@@thebigcheese8715 ada laws are strict as hell. dunno what you could do here, but i would assume that OP is correct here.
It would have to be a wheelchair as big as a car. The laws are stupid and lawyers love them. I am sure Toney groups lobby to change ADA laws by a fraction of an inch so they can Harris and extort business owners. Insanity that can be solved by common sense.
Couldn't the ADA rules be used against the city as well? What if they ask to install a long winding wheelchair ramp around the corner, with very low slope, but extremely sturdy handrails?
@@G8tr1522OP called disabled people having rights unfortunate. There's 0 reason to assume they're right, especially when the concrete installations are bigger than a bollard
I have a more sensible idea. How about just move somewhere that isn’t insane?
So leave us?
Then how would they sell weed?!
@@woolfoma maybe at a place that is less accessible to a fucking car
Like where? The moon?
@@danamoore1788 hahahaha the moon
Maybe arresting criminals and putting them in jail
Thank you, Captain obvious what would we do without you?
@Bdcrock Thank you, but it's not just me. I have a team behind, that help me b produce such excellent response.
Of course my team is excellently paid. We have a state of the art office. Our A.I. is the best in the country.
Considering they didn’t imply its the same few people or that the police are searching for or arresting the criminals, more concerningly it implies it has been different people each time it has happened
@BossKnight How do you know different people do each robbery.
How do you know although the people may be different they may be related through gang membership. The real problem is our criminal justice system.
@@jamesmooney8933 in this case it really isn’t atleast from what I know so far, it probably lead to this happening in general to some degree, but I don’t think it is the cause for these specific instances,
and I told you what led me to that conclusion that they are different people,
and there are much better ways of robbing a store than ramming a car into it, I think we need to genuinely comprehend the absurdity of this,
They are ramming massive veichles into a store front to Rob it, they’re not even just trying to get through the door or something less inconspicuous , they are taking down a entire wall,
And I imagine some are Drunk to some degree cause unless you think your invincible you wouldn’t do this,
and Weed isn’t even addictive so its not like its addiction either (or if it is, that weed wouldn’t be spiked like what they’d be addicted to)
Pneumatic bollard.
It's retracted when not in use, can be put closer to the building than those concrete blocks, and extend as part of your lockup.
Problem is, the roof is still a weakpoint for access, at that point you're better off just getting pneumatic storage and tossing carpet over it.
Plus these upstanding citizens are still going to drive through...
The sidewalk still needs to be accessible at night. You can't just close the sidewalk from 10pm-8am when the store is closed.
Redmond Washington, near Seattle? I think that explains it.
Redmond is where rich pricks live. Wrong people.
"What's mine is mine and what's yours is ours"
- Seattle city motto, probably
fyp is getting WAYYY to local rn.... my workplace is like 2 minutes away from hashtag 😭
A cheaper option would be to employ the services of Mr.Smith and his friend Wesson
Unfortunately it keeps happening at like 2-3am when nobody is there to protect it. Would be crazy if, ya know, the city put a cop on duty there to catch the people driving cars into buildings in their town.
@@jakeconnelly2441its washington theres like 3 people total there
Congrats? you now have a dead guy AND a car in your building?
@@BossKnight I mean… he’s not gonna do it again.
@@jakeconnelly2441 Yeah but they have to pocket your money instead of actually using it to make your life better.
Sounds like every business in Washington, join the club. Washington voted for this leadership, you get what you signed up for.
How expensive would it be to build the wall using solid concrete collumns?
"Well, it's your guy's fault for selling such good, popular products."
Maybe they could get permission for slightly modified bollards if they called them "bike stands"?
I know yoyr joking, but tht actually is a semi good idea for this hyper specific scenario,
Your both basically putting parking spaces down for bikers to your store well also hopefully guarding it from the weird uncle dave speeding down the highway
Would retractable bollards allowe the sidewalk to be ADA and the store to be ADA accessible during store hours and yet unable to be driven into? The other option would be to install bollards INSIDE the store even though it cuts into the usable space in the store.
New Idea: I beam bracing of the wall. From outside.
Place a grid of 8in I beams directly on the wall.
The car that rams through that I want to see.
Honestly, i dont feel bad for em. Part of business is picking the right spot that protects your business and these type of smash and grabs are pretty common with dispensaries. When you uave a business like this, security should be 1 of the first 3 things you think of. Most cigarette shops take this into mind when picking locations then add reincorced gates behind the store front, or stronger stiff. We have a dispensary in my town that put cement pillars up inside the shop itself to prevent this kind of thing
Car tire spikes that can be covered during the daytime would also be somewhat useful.
The spikes won't stop the vehicles, they still carry enough momentum that they would smash the building. And people can still walk around the area at night so it is still dangerous to pedestrians.
I mean at that point take out the wall to make more room for bollards
I imagine the concrete blocks are more effective than bollards, but also worse for sidewalk users...
I mean, are they ADA approved concrete blocks?
The solution is to set up shop in a car-free neighborhood
To be fair, the sidewalk is for walking. A feet of perimeter on the private lot should allow for the bollards to be built.
The retractable bollards take up 7.5" for the pad, just under 7" from the building wall when in use. Sure they're about 800 a pop, but cheaper than one smash.
@@mrboxy3970 I forgot to specify that the private bollards don't need to retract
I mean they clearly already took up that space with the concrete blocks anyway.
City is just being dumb government robots because there's nothing in the code that SPECIFICALLY allows for bollards, but apparently concrete blocks that take up more room are allowed.
Sounds like that location is not suitable for them then. People love to ignore ADA accessibility but disabled people should be able to navigate sidewalks and enforcing standards is what city codes should be doing.
The sidewalk is big enough for two or three wheelchairs at a time Ballard's will not stop that
@@BigFootTheRealOne But the ADA laws are very strict. You're risking a million-dollar lawsuit for installing those, no matter how accessible they may be.
@@olachens just gotta go with malicious compliance then. Install a completely unnecessary wheelchair ramp that wraps around the building, and happens to stop cars from driving into the building as well!
@@Michael-uc2pnthat likely wouldn't work as the ada has specifications for said ramp. Like someone previously said ada is very strict
Is it disruptive to the people accessing the sidewalk, when there's half a wrecked building and part of a car on it every few weeks?
Technically the Bollards would only move the wrecked car a bit back lol
The only solution is to leave that city.
“Ada accessible” do they care about that with all the tents and people living on the sidewalk?
Granted they're tearing down most tents and homeless collectives. If this is an issue you have an issue with, try looking towards the source which is the fact most cities have absolutely no help for the homeless.
You can't get a job if you look and smell like shit, sometimes you need an address just to collect pay, and homeless shelters have waiting lists that go months out. Our society, red or blue, tries it's hardest to keep people from repairing their lives
@@bruhbruh7272 the problem is if your city DOES provide any additional help for the homeless, they tend to become a magnet for the homeless as they move to your city to access those services.
It's kind of a catch-22, the places that have literally no support system for the homeless, have the least homeless people because they literally can't survive there and have to move on.
We want you to repair your life.... somewhere else on someone else's dime
They tear those down, dude.
Found the person who's never been to Seattle or the east side, rofl. Redmond is a relatively affluent neighborhood.
lol a " shop". no wonder the city don't like this store.
Pretty soon the city will declare this legal licensed business a nuisance and seize it.
they need to hire a lawyer and try to see if they can find a loophole that can help them with the buildings exterior.
The city has guidelines they have to follow. So what you have to do is find a loophole.
So dumb. Just have a security guard present at all times for a few months and put up signs saying “armed security 24 hours”. Then eventually get rid of the guards but keeps the sign?
yhe, thiefs read signs...
One armed security guard likely making $15 an hour or less is not going to do shit to stop 3+ armed thieves. Hell, they don't even stand that great a chance against one thief, if the thief gets the drop on them (anyone with any experience in self defense knows that the bad guy always gets the drop, just how shit works)
A computer controlled machine gun? 300 rounds a minute maybe
The 7 dollar per hour mall cop staring at the ford f150 barreling at them through the steel door
Gotta love the Washington government
"Why wont the city let this shop protect itself"
Maybe because the only protection they're asking for impedes on the freedom of movement of disabled people. 🙃 There are PLENTY of these shops in the area and even more vacant shops that they could move to, but instead they're complaining that they cant make life harder for people with disabilities. As someone who lives in the area, thank you for letting me know i should tell everyone to avoid this shop like the plague.
Why doesn’t the city actually do their job by letting police officers do theirs?
When liberalism goes wrong
The most smooth brain comment in this whole thread, rofl.
A better question is for what reason would someone rob this shop?
Some cities you just have to give up on.
Its getting painful paying the government more than ever and getting less for it
Asking for permission is actually wild
Because its an establishment that operates just on the grey side of the law and if actually investigate could be shut down. Almost every single one of these places deals without an ID
Cause they don't want you to protect yourself.
Got into the drug industry and couldn't imagine the crime that seems to follow?
Exactly. Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Yeah cause your local pharmacy famously also gets cars barreling through the door like its a GTA lobby
Might hurt the thieves feelings
Seems like corruption
Didn’t know burglars was a 3 syllable word 😂
Ok this sounds really dumb when you dont look into why they said no. There are codes and ordinances to be followed when constructing things and you have to have so much space. The concrete blocks on the other hand would not have to fit the same guidlines as the posts would. The city is actually attempting to help knowing that at times the code can be a pain in the butt.
The reason the blocks are allowed, even though they're bigger, is because theyre right up against the building and keep the sidewalk wide enough for wheelchair users. Bollards are smaller, but they need to be placed further away from the building to be effective. They would need be in the middle of that sidewalk, making it impassible for wheelchair users to use the sidewalk. It's a frustrating situation but public accessibility is important. The business can think of new solutions or move locations
Put the wall back half a meter inside the property line, install bollards inside that line.
... so it goes against accessability codes. That is the city being hamstrung, not them "not being allowed to protect themselves." You said it yourself: vehicles are ramming through the walls. There's not much you can do against 3000lb guided missiles.
"Lock up products" like aight lets just make the employees assemble and disassemble the entire store every day
That’s exactly what they have to do. Their marketing director told us it’s about two hours of extra labor each day.
Obviously, the Bollards were acceptable in the previous location, but not this one.
Time to take your business elsewhere.
Whats criminal is charging 16 times the price of growing. a pound costs like 200 to grow.
Can confirm. Gotta thank Washington politicians for that 35% excise tax.
@@imcannabess I mean, I find solid ounces for like $30-50 all over town. Material cost for growing (seeds, soil, water, nutrients) aren't expensive, but the electricity, facility (or land), and labor it takes to cultivate a decent product isn't cheap. You're forgetting that there's other costs associated with things than just the raw materials.
this is where theft insurance comes in hopefully, most bussinesses have some sort of policy for it granted this store alone probably raises their rates alot
Unfortunately theft insurance isn’t always covered for 420-friendly businesses. Heck, I know even in Seattle non-420 businesses had their insurance cancelled after multiple robberies.
A business suffering from chronic break ins like this would basically have 0 chance to be insured since the insurance companies don't want to keep paying out.
I worked for a business that was the victim of multiple catastrophic break ins like this. The price of the insurance policy increased 500% and the deductible went up to $30 grand per break in (this was 40 years ago) and that was IF the insurance company was still willing to write a policy.
Insurance only works once or twice and then it costs more than a potential break in.
@@oldsguy354 it is insane that they can both raise rates, and deductable can be insane because your high risk. and also this is one of those this is why we cant have nice things moment because police enforcement and goverment does nothing to fix any of the issues
@@aaronmorris4327 I don't blame insurance companies. They are in the business to mitigate risks. If they are getting repeated claims from an insured, have to take steps to make sure they aren't paying out more than they take in. The higher the risk, the more you have to pay to get coverage. Increasing the deductible is just another way to reduce their liability for loss. That's just how it works. If you're a good bet, they can make it more affordable. If you're a bad bet, they have to charge you more. If you have several catastrophic losses on your cars collision policy, they have to charge you more to help cover the losses. Insurance is for what MIGHT happen. If it's pretty much a sure thing that it WILL happen, they are going to charge you as much as (or more) than they are sure they are going to pay to cover the loss, or they just drop you altogether because it's unrealistic to spread your losses on to the rest of their customers. If I have a business with no claims for a decade and the insurance company tells me they have to dramatically raise my rates because a business across town got broke into 10 times, I'm going buy insurance from someone who mitigates their risk exposure better.
This is just normal at this point in this area
Have they considered MOVING?
The issue isn’t the criminals, it’s the city itself
"follow advice and lock up product"
*multiple fucking vehicles driving through the side of the building
The strange thing about this is, even though the city is 30 minutes away from Seattle, it has VERY low crime. The city barely ever deals with issues like this so it probably doesn’t think it needs to.
They should hire private security. Start reducing the number of criminals around.
Washington says it all
How wide are people’s wheelchairs?? Damn!
Well, some people use wheelchairs because they're too obese to walk. So I'm thinking like... wide enough for an SUV?
The other safety issues is bollards can be hazardous in the event of a collision at the intersection. That’s why a lot of places restrict them to parking lots and plazas where speeds are limited. Hitting a bollard at speed that isn’t designed roadway speeds could lead to significant injuries.
That’s why things like street lights have very specific design requirements. They limit potential injuries
“We wont care, solve it in a way that doesn’t work” It’s code for “you’re not rich enough for us or the police to care about you”
You get what you vote for.
I'll try to be civil about this, as a Texan; perhaps if not the masonry choice, elect new officials or poll for a new statute that allows wider options.
I get the property value, corner lot; I get the differing laws, TX v. WA; maybe apply for a subsidy for CCTV, or request the city broaden their current CCTV due to there being corner shops.
Hope it gets the gears turning.
Most cities in Europe and Australia cover their sidewalks in bollards, especially in the city centre to keep cars from ramming into pedestrians on public squares and pedestrianized streets. Allowing bollards should be a no brainer.
We have medium steel and concrete bollards on lots of busy corners around here. They protect people while they wait to cross, and from buses that don't make the turn wide enough.
ADA compliant is basically: wide enough for a wide wheelchair. Which is roughly half the width of a car.
"Location, location, location" PT Barnum, I believe that man would tell you this business is in the WRONG PLACE.
Extend the curb then. Allows him to install his bollards, more accessible for people with disabilities, and more room for pedestrians.
“you can’t get addicted to weed” they say
People steal computers but I wouldn’t say they’re addicted.
The area between the sidewalk and the street can have bollards installed in it. This way it doesn't affect handicapped access/us of the sidewalk, but cars can't drive over the curb into the store.
Cars ramming through building seems more disruptive than a steel pole. Someone needs investigated or fired.
thank god idc about weed shops
With no second floor what would be the cost to rebuild the street facing walls out of something that can't be easily rammed through? I can think of several ways to accomplish that. But which ones wouldn't be prohibited by local building or fire codes?
That's the biggie. I've worked for local government before and seen the process for building permits and new construction and there's a shitload of hoops people have to jump through. The town I was in had super strict rules for the materials that could be used, colors that were allowed, signage regulations, etc. It ends up costing a whole lot more than just the construction cost because you end up going through endless meetings and planning to comply with all the regulation.
In AZ that doesn't happen. Our dispensarys are SECURE!!!!
Yeah. That makes perfect sense. It’s a sidewalk.
I think the city council is getting a percentage of the weed😂😂😂😂😂
I'm sure every city building is protected by bollards, but no to the pesky citizens.
I like that the answer is "because disabled people have rights" like whelp the city's just right on that
You get what you vote for...
No moron. People don't vote to have theyer store crashed into and robbed.
Come back when you actually have something of real substance kid 😂
By "not enough space" they mean "we don't wanna pay workers to do work and install them and they have to be installed by approved workers so too bad so sad, L bozo"
In ground bollards could be raised at night to protect the store without affecting accessibility
??? disabled people go out at night too, dumbass 😭
Maybe don't live in lawless liberal cities?
To be fair, the giant concrete blocks would probably do the trick.
Makes no sense anyway as they are far more disruptive than the bollards
Honestly at this point install bollards in the store right up against the windows or inside the walls themselves.
This is what a society looks like where guns are taboo
And this is why the rest of us think the left coast is dogshit. There are several ways to protect yourself in free states, none of them are apparently permitted.
news flash cement stops cars ...you cant just use sidewalk for privet stuff
Really not a fan of the city using the ADA for this, bollards have been proven to have a cut curb effect. My boyfriend is legally blind, and bollards provide a clear easy guide as to where the sidewalk ends, with minimal design interruptions, they can be used by wheelchair users as leverage to mount a steep curb.
It’s just so deeply frustrating that the ADA is applied in all the wrong places, we need flashing fire alarms and functional door open buttons and maintained concrete disruptors on crosswalks but THIS is what it’s being used for??