I started playing golf a year ago at 48 years old. I thought I had a nice relaxed grip, stance and generally easy swing and then I let everyone get inside my head to change things. Now it's a mess. This video helps me go back to how I felt in the beginning. Thank you.
You won’t believe how happy I am for listening this warning… every golf teacher I had lessons with asked for this strong grip. For me it is impossible; I have arthritis what makes difficult to turn the arm.. thank you! I’ll keep my weak grip and certainly I’ll enjoy much more my game the way it is!
With a stronger left hand grip (3 knuckle) you dont have to turn or do anything if you have a naturally sound swing coming from the inside a few degrees.
Alex what you are saying makes total sense to me as a senior golfer , and yes i have been using this grip for a while and noticed a great improvement in by ball striking and distance. Great advice as always.
Brilliant, I changed to a neutral grip last night and I was getting a extra 20mph on the driving range , + it felt more relaxed, it works , thank you so much
I used to watch videos of Dustin Johnson who is one that has a significantly strong left hand, and eventually I noticed how incredibly an athletic he was, because he was able to hold that angle through impact by moving/opening his body so aggressively. I quickly realized that was not possible for us mere mortals. RUclips instructors that teach this are not doing the “weekend warriors” any service. There’s a reason why Pro golfers from the 60's-90's used a more neutral grip. They weren’t the athletes that some of these modern pros are, who are able to generate centrifugal force with their body. For us mere mortals, it has to come from the hand and arm, which can only come from a neutral grip. Cheers Elliot on a very important lesson.
I've tried neutral grip with a flat to bow lead wrist and I've also tried a strong grip with a cupped lead wrist. The neutral setup took longer to sink in because of the flat to bow look I was always trying to acquire but I got there. Works like magic. The strong grip is easier to mimic because cupping my wrist at the top feels natural. Works like magic as well. Shawn Clement promotes a strong grip along with quite a few other RUclipsrs. Which one is better? I don't know. I can work between the two grips and both work well. I will say, I do hit it a bit further with driver when using a strong grip. As of now, a lot of my focus is on swing plane, weight transfer, rotation and follow thru. I'm always doing drills to improve that area in my full swing practice. My theory is if most golfers work on their in to out swing plane and stop swaying in the golf swing, their skill set and confidence will triple. Those are the two biggest issues I see with us amateurs. The stop swaying component was such a game changer and when I introduced the in to out swing plane, I was on a whole new level. A lot of this takes time and effort and frustration. Most people won't do it. I've wanted to quit the game a few times. RUclips has inundated us with golf instruction videos that will make you go crazy. Most people need to work only on a few things. Don't go down the rabbit hole. I did and I chased the sport. I didn't need to do all that. It did make me more knowledgeable but if I had to do it all over again, I would focus on the fundamentals and have a few go to drills. My 2 cents that no one asked for.
As I have too much time on my hands, I frequently surf the net looking for golf tips.I am puzzled because many famous coaches advocate using a stronger grip,and I have been following this advice,on and off for years. I agree with you, as my experience is that a strong grip may occasionally work better,but when it goes wrong, I find I am looking for my ball in the rough on the left of the fairway. I think " strong is wrong" !
It may seem strange and look to upper lead arm being internally rotated and below elbow externally rotated at set up. This does not mean locked or super tense. This will help it feel less alien in hands I wager
I have recently adopted the neutral grip, and I'm hitting the ball much better. Only downside, is club coming loose in the swing from trailing arm...2405
Worked for me. I am left handed. Only thing I do right handed is play golf. My natural ball fight is a draw. I get into trouble when I start drawing it to much with over active hands. Making my grip much more neutral increased my ball flight, better dispersion, gained some distance and my GHIN index has dropped from around 3.5 down to 0.9
I played with a 2 knuckle left hand grip for 2 years, now back to 3 knuckles and much more stable as I dont have to think of the left hand being flat at the top. I have always liked the advices on this channel but this would never work for me. It's actually the other way around. With the weaker grip I need to manipulate way more to get the club to arrive square at the target. Just on the notice, I dont care so much how my right hand takes the club, the only thing is to be relaxed and hold it with the fingers. It's all about the left hand for me.
I attended a golf show 2 years ago, and got a free mini review by a PGA teacher. His one comment after swinging an iron is to weaken my trail hand. Strong trail hand grip is in my DNA, but I think I need to work on a weaker grip.
Same here, have a new PR for 370 yards off the tee… what every teacher has gotten wrong about strong grip, they think the trail hand is supposed to be underneath the grip. WRONG! Trail hand is supposed to be neutral! Strong grip is supposed to not cause any twisting or bowing into impact… that’s why the best players use it, as well as it loads and releases the club much more powerful than any other grip. Everything he’s says about strong grip has been completely pulled apart and proven wrong. I cured my slice with a strong grip, yet this guy is saying strong causes a slice 😂It means he’s not gripping the club in a strong enough position with the lead. Funny how ppl like us have to teach a teacher lol. I’ve seen more people injure themselves by swinging neutral or weak… specially Bryson Dechambeau injuring his wrists seriously using a weak grip.
@@edwarddelavilla3475I would agree I like to eliminate as much hand rotation as possible with a strong grip I don’t think about having to actively do something to square the face
the REAL reason which i thought he would allude to, is that a strong grip allows you to have a bad swing path(over the top, out to in) you need to be able to hit a draw and fade from a weak or neutral grip to work out your ACTUAL swing faults. most people disagreeing and getting mad, your swing path is a super out to in a neutral grip will make you slice it off the planet. everyone hooking it out will help. also if club is in your palm instead of your fingers you're also in trouble. I'm not saying strong grip isn't an option I'm saying try neutral grip and work on your OTT swing path until you can hit a draw, then when your path is better grip however or makes you better.
every coaches let me change to stronger grip from neutral. I feel more confident until I watched this video. Strong grip is really uncomfortable when I swing and hinge the club , furthermore I have to learn the “shallow “to force my arm can return the set position.
I was using a strong gtip, slicing everything!! Went to a normal grip. No more slicing, straight or slight draw now. Your correct, Iam old! I cannot clear out fast enough with a strong grip. Now if it works for you great! Not for me.
I don`t have a strong grip, but I was told I need to have the grip more in my fingers, I guess I am a little to much palm, so that is my task this year, let the club lay more in my fingers.
Respectfully, if you’re swinging from the ground up with the core rotation as the power source, using your hamstrings glutes and obliques and a passive upper body, a slightly strong to moderately strong grip is needed. That’s the science.
How was Moe Norman’s grip? If you hold a hammer and you want to hit the nail down you swing down. If you want to hit the nail in the direction you want it to go you need to turn the handle. If you swing down you’re going it go over the top.
This gets somewhat confusing as there are some fairly famous you tube instructors who actually promote a very strong grip? In fact, one repeatedly states that 150 out of the top 200 professional golfers have a very strong grip? You all make a very strong and believable case for your thoughts on the grip but who is one to believe??
Mate, you need to redo this whole video on strong grip, and quickly… you got literally everything wrong about strong grip… including how to grip a strong grip. You owe all the golfers you mislead with this video. Strong lead hand and neutral trail. The whole visual of the hammer is so idiotically wrong, and you proved a point against yourself… hitting the hammer down proves what happens when you point the hammer face towards your target… look at your wrists now… it’s exactly a strong grip! lol, you can’t be wrong by accident, I’m sensing nefarious reasons… the phrase as well, lower loft means lost distance. It’s the opposite mate!!! Lower loft means MORE distance because the ball has less spin which gives massive gains in distance. More loft means less distance. Where are you getting your information from?!
Well, I have to say there was nothing simple about that video to follow all those steps. I’d be turning my swinging inside out. Not saying you’re not right, but I am saying it would take me a whole off-season to implement after using a strong grip for so long.
If I may, that statement is a belief. If you believe you can’t do it, you won’t. The question should be, how do you learn this (if appropriate for you) in the shortest possible time and in a way that allows you to play this season. Again, not meant in any way to patronise, just highlighting a way of thinking that might help get better outcomes
@@chrisrainger6578 well you are correct that commitment is key to success in a swing change but taking a swing change like this to the course and expecting immediate success is highly unlikely. Committing to a change like this is neither immediate or simple which is alluded to in the video by recognizing some of the pitfalls (“it will go right or pull left”). A grip change, as mentioned, sets up so many other swing changes that it must be implemented gradually with practice to achieve the desired result, something I would prefer to do in the off season
It’s simple in that it’s understandable and can be applied. I didn’t claim it was an instant “fix” but more highlighting a hidden cause of why waaay to many golfers struggle. 👍🏌🏽
We have to get away from speaking in absolutes, and start explaining matchups in more detail. There are certain non-negotiables in the golf swing and the grip is not one of them.
I started playing golf a year ago at 48 years old. I thought I had a nice relaxed grip, stance and generally easy swing and then I let everyone get inside my head to change things. Now it's a mess.
This video helps me go back to how I felt in the beginning. Thank you.
You won’t believe how happy I am for listening this warning… every golf teacher I had lessons with asked for this strong grip. For me it is impossible; I have arthritis what makes difficult to turn the arm.. thank you! I’ll keep my weak grip and certainly I’ll enjoy much more my game the way it is!
With a stronger left hand grip (3 knuckle) you dont have to turn or do anything if you have a naturally sound swing coming from the inside a few degrees.
Enjoy the slices
Alex what you are saying makes total sense to me as a senior golfer , and yes i have been using this grip for a while and noticed a great improvement in by ball striking and distance.
Great advice as always.
Delighted to hear this!
Brilliant, I changed to a neutral grip last night and I was getting a extra 20mph on the driving range , + it felt more relaxed, it works , thank you so much
Really fantastic explanation, particularly the 'punch' analogy. I hadn't realized how strong my trail hand was getting. Thank you.
I used to watch videos of Dustin Johnson who is one that has a significantly strong left hand, and eventually I noticed how incredibly an athletic he was, because he was able to hold that angle through impact by moving/opening his body so aggressively. I quickly realized that was not possible for us mere mortals. RUclips instructors that teach this are not doing the “weekend warriors” any service. There’s a reason why Pro golfers from the 60's-90's used a more neutral grip. They weren’t the athletes that some of these modern pros are, who are able to generate centrifugal force with their body. For us mere mortals, it has to come from the hand and arm, which can only come from a neutral grip. Cheers Elliot on a very important lesson.
Thanks for sharing this tips. Definitely will give it a try at the driving range.
Glad it was helpful!
I've tried neutral grip with a flat to bow lead wrist and I've also tried a strong grip with a cupped lead wrist.
The neutral setup took longer to sink in because of the flat to bow look I was always trying to acquire but I got there. Works like magic.
The strong grip is easier to mimic because cupping my wrist at the top feels natural. Works like magic as well.
Shawn Clement promotes a strong grip along with quite a few other RUclipsrs.
Which one is better? I don't know. I can work between the two grips and both work well. I will say, I do hit it a bit further with driver when using a strong grip.
As of now, a lot of my focus is on swing plane, weight transfer, rotation and follow thru. I'm always doing drills to improve that area in my full swing practice.
My theory is if most golfers work on their in to out swing plane and stop swaying in the golf swing, their skill set and confidence will triple. Those are the two biggest issues I see with us amateurs.
The stop swaying component was such a game changer and when I introduced the in to out swing plane, I was on a whole new level.
A lot of this takes time and effort and frustration. Most people won't do it. I've wanted to quit the game a few times.
RUclips has inundated us with golf instruction videos that will make you go crazy. Most people need to work only on a few things. Don't go down the rabbit hole. I did and I chased the sport. I didn't need to do all that. It did make me more knowledgeable but if I had to do it all over again, I would focus on the fundamentals and have a few go to drills. My 2 cents that no one asked for.
It sounds like you’ve found what works for you.
As I have too much time on my hands, I frequently surf the net looking for golf tips.I am puzzled because many famous coaches advocate using a stronger grip,and I have been following this advice,on and off for years.
I agree with you, as my experience is that a strong grip may occasionally work better,but when it goes wrong, I find I am looking for my ball in the rough on the left of the fairway.
I think " strong is wrong" !
I am struggeling with contact and i go stronger and stronger with both hands, was senseless. I will try asap! Thank you!
Great video and I have really been struggling with my strong grip.
I've been working on this lately. It kind of gives me the yipps because it feels so foreign to me , but I think I'm on the right track.
It may seem strange and look to upper lead arm being internally rotated and below elbow externally rotated at set up. This does not mean locked or super tense. This will help it feel less alien in hands I wager
Been fight a snap hook and shank for a while,will give this a go.
I have recently adopted the neutral grip, and I'm hitting the ball much better. Only downside, is club coming loose in the swing from trailing arm...2405
In to out, out to in, make up our mind!
Worked for me. I am left handed. Only thing I do right handed is play golf. My natural ball fight is a draw. I get into trouble when I start drawing it to much with over active hands. Making my grip much more neutral increased my ball flight, better dispersion, gained some distance and my GHIN index has dropped from around 3.5 down to 0.9
Thanks man…. That is all. Short and SIMPLE.
I played with a 2 knuckle left hand grip for 2 years, now back to 3 knuckles and much more stable as I dont have to think of the left hand being flat at the top. I have always liked the advices on this channel but this would never work for me. It's actually the other way around. With the weaker grip I need to manipulate way more to get the club to arrive square at the target.
Just on the notice, I dont care so much how my right hand takes the club, the only thing is to be relaxed and hold it with the fingers. It's all about the left hand for me.
I’m glad you figured it out. It’s not conclusive for everyone as other factors are always going to alter patterns etc.
keep at it! 👍🏌🏽
I attended a golf show 2 years ago, and got a free mini review by a PGA teacher. His one comment after swinging an iron is to weaken my trail hand. Strong trail hand grip is in my DNA, but I think I need to work on a weaker grip.
I needed this explanation!!
marvelous advice thanks again
Tell me whatever you want, but I'm playing the best golf in a while from using a strong grip. Bye-bye blocks!
Same here, have a new PR for 370 yards off the tee… what every teacher has gotten wrong about strong grip, they think the trail hand is supposed to be underneath the grip. WRONG! Trail hand is supposed to be neutral! Strong grip is supposed to not cause any twisting or bowing into impact… that’s why the best players use it, as well as it loads and releases the club much more powerful than any other grip. Everything he’s says about strong grip has been completely pulled apart and proven wrong. I cured my slice with a strong grip, yet this guy is saying strong causes a slice 😂It means he’s not gripping the club in a strong enough position with the lead. Funny how ppl like us have to teach a teacher lol. I’ve seen more people injure themselves by swinging neutral or weak… specially Bryson Dechambeau injuring his wrists seriously using a weak grip.
@@edwarddelavilla3475I would agree I like to eliminate as much hand rotation as possible with a strong grip I don’t think about having to actively do something to square the face
I am going to love trying this drill as I hook the ball let’s see what happens 🎉🎉🎉
the REAL reason which i thought he would allude to, is that a strong grip allows you to have a bad swing path(over the top, out to in) you need to be able to hit a draw and fade from a weak or neutral grip to work out your ACTUAL swing faults. most people disagreeing and getting mad, your swing path is a super out to in a neutral grip will make you slice it off the planet. everyone hooking it out will help. also if club is in your palm instead of your fingers you're also in trouble. I'm not saying strong grip isn't an option I'm saying try neutral grip and work on your OTT swing path until you can hit a draw, then when your path is better grip however or makes you better.
Hi Alex, I am a little confused.
You show VIDEOS recommending a Weak Grip and also a Strong Grip. Can you explain?
every coaches let me change to stronger grip from neutral. I feel more confident until I watched this video. Strong grip is really uncomfortable when I swing and hinge the club , furthermore I have to learn the “shallow “to force my arm can return the set position.
I was using a strong gtip, slicing everything!! Went to a normal grip. No more slicing, straight or slight draw now. Your correct, Iam old! I cannot clear out fast enough with a strong grip. Now if it works for you great! Not for me.
Glad you figured it out. 👍
It's depends on the golfer really
Yes but more fall into categories they don’t realize
I don`t have a strong grip, but I was told I need to have the grip more in my fingers, I guess I am a little to much palm, so that is my task this year, let the club lay more in my fingers.
That will help a lot! 👌👍🏌🏽
I was literally about to message you about this 😂 Surely we all need a coach who posts fixes before we even ask? 🎉
That’s great lol! Hope this helps clarify the thoughts and how tho tackle it! 💪🏌🏽
Respectfully, if you’re swinging from the ground up with the core rotation as the power source, using your hamstrings glutes and obliques and a passive upper body, a slightly strong to moderately strong grip is needed. That’s the science.
How was Moe Norman’s grip? If you hold a hammer and you want to hit the nail down you swing down. If you want to hit the nail in the direction you want it to go you need to turn the handle. If you swing down you’re going it go over the top.
Moes grip was ultrastrong.
@@peterhammer6915 that’s what I thought. He’s the most accurate ball striker there was.
This gets somewhat confusing as there are some fairly famous you tube instructors who actually promote a very strong grip? In fact, one repeatedly states that 150 out of the top 200 professional golfers have a very strong grip? You all make a very strong and believable case for your thoughts on the grip but who is one to believe??
Brillant!
So basically our ideal grip is one in which if we were hammering down it feels the most natural?
Yep
From bad to worse - congratulations
Mate, you need to redo this whole video on strong grip, and quickly… you got literally everything wrong about strong grip… including how to grip a strong grip. You owe all the golfers you mislead with this video. Strong lead hand and neutral trail. The whole visual of the hammer is so idiotically wrong, and you proved a point against yourself… hitting the hammer down proves what happens when you point the hammer face towards your target… look at your wrists now… it’s exactly a strong grip! lol, you can’t be wrong by accident, I’m sensing nefarious reasons… the phrase as well, lower loft means lost distance. It’s the opposite mate!!! Lower loft means MORE distance because the ball has less spin which gives massive gains in distance. More loft means less distance. Where are you getting your information from?!
Well, I have to say there was nothing simple about that video to follow all those steps. I’d be turning my swinging inside out. Not saying you’re not right, but I am saying it would take me a whole off-season to implement after using a strong grip for so long.
If I may, that statement is a belief. If you believe you can’t do it, you won’t. The question should be, how do you learn this (if appropriate for you) in the shortest possible time and in a way that allows you to play this season. Again, not meant in any way to patronise, just highlighting a way of thinking that might help get better outcomes
@@chrisrainger6578 well you are correct that commitment is key to success in a swing change but taking a swing change like this to the course and expecting immediate success is highly unlikely. Committing to a change like this is neither immediate or simple which is alluded to in the video by recognizing some of the pitfalls (“it will go right or pull left”). A grip change, as mentioned, sets up so many other swing changes that it must be implemented gradually with practice to achieve the desired result, something I would prefer to do in the off season
Well said indeed 🏌🏽💪
It’s simple in that it’s understandable and can be applied. I didn’t claim it was an instant “fix” but more highlighting a hidden cause of why waaay to many golfers struggle. 👍🏌🏽
@@TheArtofSimpleGolf Ok --- I'll give you that one! 🤣
Enjoy the videos, keep them coming
I am so confused
This is BS.
🤦🏽♂
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We have to get away from speaking in absolutes, and start explaining matchups in more detail. There are certain non-negotiables in the golf swing and the grip is not one of them.