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  • @diesel9324
    @diesel9324 10 месяцев назад +7742

    What flag am I going to put on my Dairy Queen cake now?

    • @theawfultrumpeter8538
      @theawfultrumpeter8538 10 месяцев назад +94

      Underrated comment lol 😂

    • @TheOnlyCaprisun
      @TheOnlyCaprisun 10 месяцев назад +228

      The East German one, obviously!

    • @WhiteBloggerBlackSpecs
      @WhiteBloggerBlackSpecs 10 месяцев назад +124

      The confederate battle flag 😂

    • @brownerjerry174
      @brownerjerry174 10 месяцев назад +64

      Some random Probably non-existent mid-century civic organisation flag sounds like a good option.

    • @loveja1234
      @loveja1234 10 месяцев назад +66

      The Rhodesian flag of course

  • @Croz89
    @Croz89 10 месяцев назад +5241

    The opposition group had a very "we don't really like it either but it's the principle of the thing" attitude to the situation.

    • @mineghostN
      @mineghostN 10 месяцев назад +1

      Lmao, the DA (South African opposition) is composed of mostly white South Africans who reminisce about apartheid. They’re the ones who would be flying the flag.

    • @hircenedaelen
      @hircenedaelen 10 месяцев назад +89

      @@mineghostN a what they said vs what they actually intended situation

    • @Croz89
      @Croz89 10 месяцев назад +19

      @@mineghostN Were there any other groups who opposed the legislation?

    • @nicklibby3784
      @nicklibby3784 10 месяцев назад

      Yup, and the principle is what matters when it comes to laws. The ACLU in America is what has kept Free Speech in America for so long. Look up their history. The ACLU supported both racist cases under freedom of speech AND they also orchestrated the Rosa Parks case which is what lead to de segregation in America.
      Rosa Parks actually did it on purpose, as a part of the ACLUs plan with a bunch of lawyers, and they told her to not sit on the back of the bus no matter what, it was all brilliantly planned and orchestrated. But our schools always leave that part out and act like she just randomly wanted to sit at the front of the bus one day.
      This is how freedom of speech works, it is based on principle, because basing it on opinions and current day cultural beliefs creates a tool that the government can use as a weapon by setting precident.
      If you give the government the power to ban speech that *_MIGHT_* be considered offensive to most people......well, eventually the government can just claim anything is offensive hate speech and use the precedent of those laws to undermine a free democracy by banning the free speech of political opponents. People, forget, that we culture considers offensive now, may not always be offensive in the future, and offensive is *_SUBJECTIVE_* which is the *_real_* problem.
      You can't give the government power to ban speech based off of some so broadly subjective, you must base on clear and consice principle that is easily applied across the board. - just like the ACLU in America supporting racist free speech even though the ACLU was largely responsible for de sergregating race in America with their Rosa Parks case they planned.

    • @zephlodwick1009
      @zephlodwick1009 10 месяцев назад +596

      Gotta agree with them there. If hate speech doesn't count as free speech, speech isn't free.

  • @tryingmybest206
    @tryingmybest206 3 месяца назад +758

    and yet malema can sing "kill the boer" and it's somehow fine?

    • @kamogelonzama3513
      @kamogelonzama3513 2 месяца назад +25

      What nonsense are you trying defend jou poes you hear me nya mao wena

    • @Stoic_quotes1
      @Stoic_quotes1 2 месяца назад

      ​@@kamogelonzama3513 💀💀💀

    • @Jack_today
      @Jack_today 2 месяца назад +18

      That sounds really incredibly racist

    • @LURKTec
      @LURKTec 2 месяца назад

      Yep
      Anti-white racism is perfectly fine nowadays

    • @BEP4LIFE
      @BEP4LIFE 2 месяца назад +37

      Cope

  • @Conradlovesjoy
    @Conradlovesjoy 10 месяцев назад +618

    Zimbabwe 2: Electric Boogaloo

    • @kingkoi6542
      @kingkoi6542 9 месяцев назад +51

      Theres never electricity when these things happen

    • @stejabrayaga
      @stejabrayaga 8 месяцев назад +12

      Freedom from the oppressor looks good, I wonder if Nederlands is gonna accept all of its people still in this country.

    • @beishtkione24
      @beishtkione24 8 месяцев назад

      @@stejabrayaga they were in South Africa first. Maybe you study your history, you evil little boy.

    • @colonelcorn9500
      @colonelcorn9500 8 месяцев назад +6

      Pretty sure South Africa isn’t ethnically cleansing to the extent that Zimbabwe was

    • @rock3tcatU233
      @rock3tcatU233 6 месяцев назад +29

      What is "electricity"?
      - South Africans

  • @jo9932
    @jo9932 10 месяцев назад +3893

    South Afrikan courts also ruled singing 'Kill the boer' as free speech. They believe calling for genocide is not hate speech but flying the former flag as such 🤔🤔

    • @loremaster63
      @loremaster63 10 месяцев назад +367

      This needs to be higher up

    • @mentalmans_6561
      @mentalmans_6561 10 месяцев назад

      And what about the TRC? Mandela and Tutu let murderers, rapists and other scum walk free in exchange for their confessions. It is the ultimate show of humanitys kindness. You trying to spin this into a story about the poor boers who are being persecuted by the natives is laughable. The white still control a disproportionate amount of wealth in SA..

    • @ashkitt7719
      @ashkitt7719 10 месяцев назад +32

      I thought it was the opposite that they deemed it hate speech.

    • @jo9932
      @jo9932 10 месяцев назад +330

      @@ashkitt7719 Unfortunately not. The equality court in Johannesburg ruled in favor of EFF 'free speech' case in the summer of last year

    • @Pine_of_England
      @Pine_of_England 10 месяцев назад +32

      It was declared hate speech, though?

  • @theandrew7262
    @theandrew7262 10 месяцев назад +4249

    Hating the flag because it's a symbol of apartheid: 🙂 🙂
    Hating the flag because it's ugly: 😎😎😄😃😁👍‼️‼️

    • @unoriginalclips9923
      @unoriginalclips9923 10 месяцев назад +292

      Fr the new flag looks so much better anyways

    • @qhu3878
      @qhu3878 10 месяцев назад +118

      i personally like the flag, though i feel half of that is liking orangebon flags

    • @nade7242
      @nade7242 10 месяцев назад +4

      true!

    • @chukotka6224
      @chukotka6224 10 месяцев назад

      @@_TehTJ_that is a r*tarded take

    • @MalachiCo0
      @MalachiCo0 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@_TehTJ_both are shit

  • @squidgamepsycho9146
    @squidgamepsycho9146 9 месяцев назад +377

    If Julius Malema can sing "Kill the Boer, shoot to kill pow pow" then having the old flag should be allowed.

    • @key.ston7478
      @key.ston7478 2 месяца назад +16

      Ek stem saam!

    • @nunyabidnes6010
      @nunyabidnes6010 2 месяца назад +13

      Lol no. Cry about it.

    • @gamingforever9121
      @gamingforever9121 2 месяца назад +63

      @@nunyabidnes6010yes one is just a flag the other is a literal song about genocide .

    • @geesusway70
      @geesusway70 2 месяца назад +17

      @@nunyabidnes6010kaffir cope lol

    • @kongou1912
      @kongou1912 2 месяца назад +3

      didnt he get convicted for hate speech multiple times?

  • @leonemaledetto1500
    @leonemaledetto1500 10 месяцев назад +116

    I dare you to look at South Africa and tell me it's not become a horror show

    • @ameliabrittain3689
      @ameliabrittain3689 Месяц назад +9

      Become? It always was.

    • @UserOfTheName
      @UserOfTheName Месяц назад +3

      Bro it's a horror show yes but not as bad as it was when under car flamethrowers were products you could buy

    • @silasbishop3055
      @silasbishop3055 Месяц назад

      @@UserOfTheName We need that in America

    • @justinbowen2509
      @justinbowen2509 Месяц назад +3

      You seem like the type that shared racist memes about Obama even before he become president

    • @silasbishop3055
      @silasbishop3055 Месяц назад

      @@justinbowen2509 Typical lefty cryig racism when reality refutes their delusion.

  • @lordInquisitor
    @lordInquisitor 10 месяцев назад +2425

    As a white south african ( born after apartheid mind you) I hold no love for the old flag. However being pissed at the corruption, mismanagement, constant blackouts exc is perfectly reasonable. Those people who tried to defend the old flag chose a strange way to express otherwise reasonable frustration

    • @grimascent8278
      @grimascent8278 10 месяцев назад +196

      I am born of the same situation. To me this expression of frustration also has underlying racist motivations. I do agree that making the flag illegal to behold is silly. I think people being allowed to show it to express their opinions, allows people to better discern who to avoid.

    • @IdiotBoxProductionsTV
      @IdiotBoxProductionsTV 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@grimascent8278I thank god I’m in America where we have free speech for now

    • @tr3vk4m
      @tr3vk4m 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@IdiotBoxProductionsTV 🤣

    • @Matt_Fields_29
      @Matt_Fields_29 10 месяцев назад

      Do you honestly believe they're merely frustrated at corruption and mismanagement?

    • @adenm8963
      @adenm8963 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@IdiotBoxProductionsTVindeed, God bless the United States. Imagine if the United States accepted South Africa into the union. More than 90% of the population would support it

  • @insertnamehere5809
    @insertnamehere5809 10 месяцев назад +1080

    I think South Africa 🇿🇦 has much bigger concerns than worrying about their old flag, the fact that they can't keep the lights on💡 being one of them.

    • @dylangerber6103
      @dylangerber6103 10 месяцев назад

      We can worry about more than one thing at a time, the glorification of the old racist flag and our current corrupt government's destruction of parastatals.

    • @yehudatheodoros6547
      @yehudatheodoros6547 10 месяцев назад

      yeah but flying the flag of the former hyper racist governments not gonna fix that

    • @slaytanicsabbath
      @slaytanicsabbath 10 месяцев назад +74

      It will soon have a new flag, designed by their CCP overlords.

    • @fictionwojak3595
      @fictionwojak3595 10 месяцев назад +16

      ​@@slaytanicsabbathMaybe not South Africa, but a bunch of African countries - yeah

    • @GelatineRidder
      @GelatineRidder 10 месяцев назад +62

      Didn't have that problem under the old flag.

  • @Heath580
    @Heath580 4 месяца назад +37

    Let's check in on that Liberal Democracy™️

  • @MrQuoteShorts
    @MrQuoteShorts 8 месяцев назад +33

    Dude called South Africa a democracy 😂

    • @hkjhh9917
      @hkjhh9917 Месяц назад

      Huh

    • @pocketmarcy6990
      @pocketmarcy6990 23 дня назад +2

      I mean it’s more of a democracy than it was 35 years ago

    • @Metricowl8888
      @Metricowl8888 15 дней назад

      I hear that the black people burn other black people for taking jobs since they are from other African countries. and that the government is miss managing everything to where power goes out. and the white population can’t find jobs which are the ones who were educated (plus I believe they took there farm land). I wonder how much of a democracy they have.

  • @CJusticeHappen21
    @CJusticeHappen21 10 месяцев назад +716

    Trust me. SA has bigger problems than the flag.

    • @adelalmohtaseb5261
      @adelalmohtaseb5261 10 месяцев назад +24

      Fr aren't they having economic collapse from dept to china ?

    • @funnyjoke9225
      @funnyjoke9225 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@adelalmohtaseb5261they're so fucked tbh. In massive debt to China and as a result are being constantly destabilized by western (CIA) entities to try and make south africa not seem like a viable investment to the Chinese. The west is banking on swooping in and capitalizing on hard feelings the South African people (mostly Afrikaners) will have towards the ruin china left the country in.

    • @gregbeyer9507
      @gregbeyer9507 9 месяцев назад +10

      @@adelalmohtaseb5261 No.

    • @adelalmohtaseb5261
      @adelalmohtaseb5261 9 месяцев назад +14

      @@gregbeyer9507 They are though

    • @gregbeyer9507
      @gregbeyer9507 9 месяцев назад +36

      @@adelalmohtaseb5261 No. We aren't. The economic "collapse" are issues relating to electricity supply problems, and poor investor confidence.

  • @jnoe4447
    @jnoe4447 10 месяцев назад +1462

    South Africa will be the next Zimbabwe soon if the government keeps doing nothing besides blaming apartheid for all its current day problems.

    • @KarlSnarks
      @KarlSnarks 10 месяцев назад

      I mean, there is still a lot of racism and inequality between black and white. Black people are still more likely to live in poverty and such

    • @ClouddPetals
      @ClouddPetals 10 месяцев назад +132

      Blaming all of the problems on apartheid and the past? Regardless of where in the planet they go, that's what they all do best!

    • @ashton1952
      @ashton1952 10 месяцев назад +1

      @jnoe4447it's been given the lable apartheid but it's colonialism, the system and all. The world has an inequality problem with the way the system has been set up. I think that's what people are trying to say, only they use South African terms, because what you grow up with is what you know and therefore express yourself accordingly. The 3rd world will be able to get up on it's feet soon. Zim already has her own gold coins: the currency of the future is here and those who we despised as being behind us are going to be ahead of us.

    • @ashton1952
      @ashton1952 10 месяцев назад +20

      ​@@ClouddPetals Its own not actually true, see who the affluent class are in Panama whilst whites fall lower down into middle and working classes. Opportunity and the witholding thereof has the power to change a society for better or worse. Those who wield the wealth know this,fact: 1% of the world own 90% of the worlds wealth. You have to be careful what you listen to and swallow as truth because there is very often an agenda involved, and in this case you're repeating a narrative, it's probably not your own thoughts. Think for yourself.

    • @C-Farsene_5
      @C-Farsene_5 10 месяцев назад +90

      The Apartheid did just that tho, while I am not ignoring the ANC of their recent mismanagement and corruption, they do have a point with the fact that Apartheid did leave behind a whole slew of problems embedded in the system almost two decades after its abolishment

  • @lambert2969
    @lambert2969 10 месяцев назад +192

    South Africa has become a literal Utopia because of their new flag, where everyone gets along and nothing bad ever happens.
    It's amazing.
    Flags are indeed powerful.

    • @paulstrunkheide
      @paulstrunkheide 8 месяцев назад +47

      Your being sarcastic right😂

    • @lambert2969
      @lambert2969 8 месяцев назад +31

      @@paulstrunkheide 😉

    • @Tony-theGreat
      @Tony-theGreat 7 месяцев назад +14

      South Africa is beyond f***ed, though I love the scenery there as a photographer

    • @lapeds5204
      @lapeds5204 6 месяцев назад +2

      “Utopia” You’re joking, right?

    • @lambert2969
      @lambert2969 6 месяцев назад +16

      @@lapeds5204 yes. I'm joking.

  • @dergeradeweg1413
    @dergeradeweg1413 10 месяцев назад +73

    I live in south africa. Apartheid was bad, but don’t act as if people do not have a point when they complain about ‘what the country has become’. We do not have working traffic lights, sometimes only have 4 hours of power a day, a useless police force and a sadistic health care. Please come spend a few months in Johannesburg before disregarding criticisms made of the country.

    • @PrawnAddiction
      @PrawnAddiction 4 месяца назад +2

      Don't South Africans call the traffic lights "robots"?

    • @dergeradeweg1413
      @dergeradeweg1413 4 месяца назад +11

      @@PrawnAddiction yea, but most people reading this won’t know what a robot is. And no, we don’t really have them anymore because none of them work ;)

    • @PrawnAddiction
      @PrawnAddiction 4 месяца назад +1

      @@dergeradeweg1413 Yeah, I get that. Hopefully, you'll be on a better pathway soon, love from New Zealand. 🇳🇿❤🇿🇦

    • @dergeradeweg1413
      @dergeradeweg1413 4 месяца назад +1

      @@PrawnAddiction thanks man

    • @PrawnAddiction
      @PrawnAddiction 4 месяца назад

      @@dergeradeweg1413 It's nothing

  • @NLite486
    @NLite486 10 месяцев назад +555

    "yo dawg i heard you like flags" lookin ass flag 💀💀💀

    • @darthvader8744
      @darthvader8744 9 месяцев назад +12

      The Orange/White/Blue by itself would be fine but that would just be an old dutch flag

    • @shervanstaden7209
      @shervanstaden7209 3 месяца назад

      ​@@darthvader8744 the old Dutch flag was red/white/blue..

    • @lizardmak780
      @lizardmak780 3 месяца назад +8

      ​@@shervanstaden7209That's the current one

    • @deesnutz5936
      @deesnutz5936 3 месяца назад

      Not funny I didn’t laugh. Your joke is so bad I would have preferred the joke went over my head and you gave up re-telling me the joke. To be honest this is a horrid attempt at trying to get a laugh out of me. Not a chuckle, not a hehe, not even a subtle burst of air out of my esophagus. Science says before you laugh your brain preps your face muscles but I didn’t even feel the slightest twitch. 0/10 this joke is so bad I cannot believe anyone legally allowed you to be creative at all. The amount of brain power you must have put into that joke has the potential to power every house on Earth. Get a personality and learn how to make jokes, read a book. I’m not saying this to be funny I genuinely mean it on how this is just bottom barrel embarrassment at comedy. You’ve single handedly killed humor and every comedic act on the planet.
      I’m so disappointed that society has failed as a whole in being able to teach you how to be funny. Honestly if I put in all my power and time to try and make your joke funny it would require Einstein himself to build a device to strap me into so I can be connected to the energy of a billion stars to do it, and even then all that joke would get from people is a subtle scuff. You’re lucky I still have the slightest of empathy for you after telling that joke otherwise I would have committed every war crime in the book just to prevent you from attempting any humor ever again.
      We should put that joke in text books so future generations can be wary of becoming such an absolute comedic failure. Im disappointed, hurt, and outright offended that my precious time has been wasted in my brain understanding that joke. In the time that took I was planning on helping kids who have been orphaned, but because of that you’ve waisted my time explaining the obscene integrity of your terrible attempt at comedy. Now those kids are suffering without meals and there’s nobody to blame but you. I hope you’re happy with what you have done and I truly hope you can move on and learn from this piss poor attempt.

    • @yourlocalyoutubecommenter
      @yourlocalyoutubecommenter 3 месяца назад

      what is that banner 💀

  • @creeperboy6453
    @creeperboy6453 10 месяцев назад +350

    Nobody's speaking about the fact that this flag has a flag inside a flag, inside a flag along a flag that's supposed to be the combination of three different flags and ANOTHER flag right next to it.
    This flag depicts 6 different flags.

    • @captainmilkman
      @captainmilkman 10 месяцев назад +37

      Flag-ception

    • @KarlSnarks
      @KarlSnarks 10 месяцев назад +21

      6-flags! that used to be the name of a themepark :)

    • @Jan-van-RieBeeck
      @Jan-van-RieBeeck 10 месяцев назад +2

      Most well made british flag

    • @andrewhaywood1262
      @andrewhaywood1262 10 месяцев назад +1

      And now I know where the state of Georgia got the idea for their 2001-03 flag...

    • @oktalley99
      @oktalley99 10 месяцев назад +6

      I strangely want to here a midwesterner with a heavy accent, the amount of "flaygs" heard would be record breaking

  • @toiletvirusandcoronapaper271
    @toiletvirusandcoronapaper271 9 месяцев назад +137

    Banned to keep people from remembering working power stations

    • @domdom6624
      @domdom6624 9 месяцев назад

      You mean back when black South Africans didn’t have access to electricity or education?

    • @benjamin_b929
      @benjamin_b929 6 месяцев назад +22

      they want you to forget having a functional country, forget about how the country was doing under Nelson Mandela (the only good post apartheid president) & de Klerk

    • @scootergrant8683
      @scootergrant8683 6 месяцев назад +1

      Eish

    • @Lucky-NO-7
      @Lucky-NO-7 6 месяцев назад +5

      How many people were served by those power stations

    • @WSZA1240
      @WSZA1240 5 месяцев назад +18

      ​@@Lucky-NO-7Those that payed taxes and built the cities and towns.

  • @gil6875
    @gil6875 2 месяца назад +49

    I am black and i proudly say:
    South Africa is much worse now then in the apartide times.

    • @robinmiller1989
      @robinmiller1989 Месяц назад +9

      that's more the reason of complex geopolitical circumstance than some inherent need for racial hierarchy. your blackness matters paradoxically to the historical record in that regard

    • @Sigma_Male_Anti_Female
      @Sigma_Male_Anti_Female Месяц назад +9

      I'm totally sure your black.

    • @simonoliver4751
      @simonoliver4751 Месяц назад +1

      Sure thing bud

    • @Castrate-
      @Castrate- Месяц назад +1

      ure a smart one

    • @SoftMatty7
      @SoftMatty7 Месяц назад +3

      Coming from a black, that's crazy

  • @christobotha7848
    @christobotha7848 10 месяцев назад +638

    I am South African, I don't like that flag, I also don't like a song called "kill the Boer"(white farmer). The song was deemed freedom of speech while the flag was not. It's seems a bit wrong.

    • @Unknown-individual
      @Unknown-individual 10 месяцев назад

      That's cause you don't want to remember what the white farmer did black people

    • @toiletvirusandcoronapaper271
      @toiletvirusandcoronapaper271 9 месяцев назад +44

      A bit?

    • @thesmithersy
      @thesmithersy 9 месяцев назад

      It is wrong. But it shows that South Africa is rapidly turning into Zimbabwe for its anti-white policies and poorly managed nation.

    • @petersmythe6462
      @petersmythe6462 9 месяцев назад +47

      The song has important historical relevance to the anti-apartheid struggle which is probably why it's treated leniently by comparison.

    • @christobotha7848
      @christobotha7848 9 месяцев назад +103

      @@petersmythe6462 same argument can be made with the flag, history relevance against British colonialism.

  • @FalloutUrMum
    @FalloutUrMum 10 месяцев назад +144

    South Africa's political situation post-apartheid is so complicated that I can't pretend to understand any of it. Each thing I learn seemingly contradicts the last

    • @wolfieinu
      @wolfieinu 10 месяцев назад +39

      That's just South African history since always. The old Nationalists who ran the segregation system considered themselves anti-colonialist and justified segregation as a means to eventually secure independence from Britain for the segregated groups, arguing that integration would mean cultural genocide. The language of social justice, used to promote the opposite. The current government does the same when it uses socialist language to defend the neoliberal/neocolonialist status quo, which they depend on to make them rich via kickbacks. The result being that unemployment and inequality are now worse than immediately after segregation.
      There's no easy "narrative" to construct here, it's just a complete CF.

    • @St0ckwell
      @St0ckwell 10 месяцев назад

      Its not complicated at all. Blacks cant manage a fucking McDonald's, much less a whole country. They were kept from voting and holding management power for a reason. And now we are seeing that reason.

    • @RobotWithHumanHair.
      @RobotWithHumanHair. 10 месяцев назад

      It used to be better under whites what else is there to know

    • @kazekagekid
      @kazekagekid 10 месяцев назад +4

      That’s because most of the good things you hear are simply cope coming from people who ideologically cannot admit that it’s in a materially worse situation than before.

    • @skankyscout
      @skankyscout 10 месяцев назад

      Can you give example?
      Interesting to know how an outsider views things here.

  • @mmclaurin8035
    @mmclaurin8035 Месяц назад +4

    And look at how awesome South Africa is now

  • @ku12
    @ku12 4 месяца назад +8

    Why did JJ do finger quotes at “what their country had become”
    Because objectively in every category including quality of life for the black population is worse then during pre 1990 governance, and that’s saying a lot

    • @thecooldoge6343
      @thecooldoge6343 3 месяца назад +5

      Mhm, do you live in South Africa?

    • @tonybaloney8401
      @tonybaloney8401 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@thecooldoge6343don't be stupid, everyone can see the country is a shithole now

  • @guidopalacios260
    @guidopalacios260 10 месяцев назад +276

    How is South Africa doing

  • @omershaik6374
    @omershaik6374 10 месяцев назад +313

    Fun fact - if you look closely, that flag is present in Rocky Horror Picture Show. It's on a plate during the time warp, only it's upside-down

    • @JJMcCullough
      @JJMcCullough  10 месяцев назад +65

      A plate?

    • @sethaniel1
      @sethaniel1 10 месяцев назад +10

      A license plate or a dinner plate?

    • @ic0nicgamingza
      @ic0nicgamingza 10 месяцев назад +15

      A dinner plate!

    • @SavageGreywolf
      @SavageGreywolf 10 месяцев назад +33

      During the song there is a large buffet table with different dishes with tiny flags on them (presumably the country the dish is from)
      The old SA flag is visible during the chorus following the bridge, sticking out of a pineapple. It is indeed upside down (maybe the filmmakers' attempt at a protest? Or they just didn't know which way was up XD).

    • @Elitist20
      @Elitist20 10 месяцев назад +6

      @@SavageGreywolf It's the Annual Transylvanian Convention so maybe it's where the attendees have come from?

  • @ltstickboy8373
    @ltstickboy8373 2 месяца назад +3

    Gee african has its own variation of the Confederate flag.

    • @damackabet.4611
      @damackabet.4611 2 месяца назад +1

      You realize that just recently in last few years they killed white farmers and stole their farmland to give to blacks, it isn't a joke to say ther failure in government is what is making people want to return to the past, and others here are pointing out their suffering power shortages.

  • @joelp5093
    @joelp5093 6 месяцев назад +8

    SA was decisively not a third world country in 1990, but it decisively is now. It is a portent for things to come in the United States

  • @grayson5292
    @grayson5292 10 месяцев назад +787

    South Africa is doing “load shedding” (I.e daily intentional blackouts to save electricity) because of how incompetently the ANC has run the country, but glad to know they have their priorities straight

    • @mineghostN
      @mineghostN 10 месяцев назад +142

      It’s an endless torrent of racists leaving comments under this video. Nobody was talking about load shedding and governments can do multiple things at once.

    • @ed8907
      @ed8907 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@mineghostNI'm Black. South Africa is a mess. It's the most dangerous country in Africa. Worse than poorer countries. Cape Town is more dangerous than some Mexican cities controlled by drug cartels. The most basic definition of a MESS. That cannot be contested.

    • @ashkitt7719
      @ashkitt7719 10 месяцев назад

      @@mineghostN That being said, the ANC does seem to suck and be corrupt and plenty on the Left have criticized them as well such as the increasingly popular Marxist-Leninist party, Economic Freedom Fighters.

    • @bob-km4uq
      @bob-km4uq 10 месяцев назад +221

      @@mineghostN Yeah they can simultaneously violate speech rights and stop private companies from providing sufficient electricity to their citizens

    • @mineghostN
      @mineghostN 10 месяцев назад +83

      @@ed8907”most dangerous country in Africa”
      Give me a break. There are active Civil Wars in other African countries.
      South Africa has led the way with many social policies, including gay marriage and legal cannabis. It is not close to anarchy, as you’re describing it.

  • @gtothereal
    @gtothereal 10 месяцев назад +222

    South Africa has only gotten worse for three decades.. Anyone informed is worried about what it’s become.

    • @hydromic2518
      @hydromic2518 10 месяцев назад +10

      I have hope. We have a better starting point for rebuilding than other African nations and it’s not like all municipalities have become incompetent

    • @gtothereal
      @gtothereal 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@hydromic2518 good point not all hope is gone by any means. But I do worry

    • @azarshadakumuktir4551
      @azarshadakumuktir4551 10 месяцев назад +9

      Yeah, people can actually live where they want now... so tragic...

    • @senorsiro3748
      @senorsiro3748 10 месяцев назад +29

      @@azarshadakumuktir4551The current issue is not about where your home is, it’s about whether anyone is going to stop post-apocalyptic raiders from breaking into it to do unspeakable things to you and your family.

    • @azarshadakumuktir4551
      @azarshadakumuktir4551 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@senorsiro3748 I do not see any modern age sea people trying to break into homes, all I see is some people who have nothing trying to steal blankets and gangs that try to steal cars. All this ordeal wouldn't even be that dangerous if there was adequate gun control. The issue nowadays is that gangs often carry weapons to seize cars or TVs even if the owner is armed while owners arm themselves to defend against isolated thieves... All this is stupid, a gun won't protect you from a gang and isolated robbers rarely can afford weapons. Thus violence goes higher and higher without any real reason. People here have been taught that violence and strength are the only things that matter for the past two centuries, this needs to stop. And you using this kind of inflamatory rhetoric clearly isn't helping. The only world that ended thirty years ago was hell, its gates are now open but the damned are still lost and searching for pain whereas they could finally enjoy life again.

  • @gil6875
    @gil6875 2 месяца назад +4

    Shity County in the past and terrible County in the present 🤮

  • @nanikore111
    @nanikore111 8 месяцев назад +36

    "What their country has become"
    You say with sarcasm, I've known personally 2 people (white South Africans) who have had their loved ones murdered by rampaging black South Africans.
    Just walked into the farm and chopped them up.
    I'm not saying this to imply a racial motivation here, but imo it's understandable how such militias come to be, can't make fun of a man just trying to protect his family.
    Blacks were severely mistreated in South Africa, but the way the government there has handled redistribution of wealth (farms a big example) after Apartheid has not helped the country along.

    • @key.ston7478
      @key.ston7478 2 месяца назад +1

      Ware woorde, ek stem saam, ek ken ook mense wat hull familielede verloor het op hierdie spesifieke manier. En ons taal gaan dood...

  • @24framedavinci39
    @24framedavinci39 10 месяцев назад +335

    Hard to argue that things are better for anyone in S. Africa these days.

    • @harrywinner7403
      @harrywinner7403 10 месяцев назад +19

      ???

    • @sameagletheregal8526
      @sameagletheregal8526 10 месяцев назад +115

      ​@@harrywinner7403the place is a dump.

    • @mworld2611
      @mworld2611 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@harrywinner7403 they have a pretty corrupt government I hear

    • @shaebrown2872
      @shaebrown2872 10 месяцев назад +21

      @@vnolan633do you mean miserable.
      Also I doubt any South Africans are happy with power outages, and lack of food and water

    • @hydromic2518
      @hydromic2518 10 месяцев назад

      @@mworld2611like it’s better in other countries? At least we know about it and have some people trying to fix it

  • @eddiewhistler7472
    @eddiewhistler7472 10 месяцев назад +454

    Free speech is always valued until you don't like what someone else is saying.

    • @ashkitt7719
      @ashkitt7719 10 месяцев назад +71

      True. You see, when we censor things it's based but when they censor things it's literally 1984.

    • @zunfix1194
      @zunfix1194 10 месяцев назад +41

      “Free speech is always valued until you don’t like what someone else is saying” 🤓

    • @alexiel4406
      @alexiel4406 10 месяцев назад +75

      @@zunfix1194he is correct

    • @zunfix1194
      @zunfix1194 10 месяцев назад

      @@alexiel4406 let’s unban the fucking nazi flag then since “free speech” is so valued according to you clowns

    • @shaebrown2872
      @shaebrown2872 10 месяцев назад

      @@zunfix1194yes let’s do that and prove to the Nazis that this is the most free system available to them

  • @Sh00terMcGavinXL
    @Sh00terMcGavinXL 10 месяцев назад +5

    Not picking a side but there's a difference between hate speech and speech that you hate

  • @igoravonich2013
    @igoravonich2013 2 месяца назад +3

    How's the corruption and electricity going in South Africa now 😅

  • @xandercruz900
    @xandercruz900 10 месяцев назад +72

    Well....we did it boys!
    We fixed SA!
    Hopefully the news of this will spread in the 2.5 hours people have electricity there...

    • @something6141
      @something6141 9 месяцев назад

      😂

    • @jmac356
      @jmac356 9 месяцев назад

      Where are you from? *pulls out NERF gun*

  • @The_gaming_gazimon
    @The_gaming_gazimon 10 месяцев назад +104

    i love the protest group that also hates the flag, truly standing by the words "i may not agree with what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it"

    • @r7ahtesham885
      @r7ahtesham885 2 месяца назад

      Tbh.. It's like flying the flag of the 3rd reich or the confederacy..
      Which is what pisses me off.. It's incredibly redundant and the "free speech" shit is incredibly fallible and inconsistent.
      Like the song about I think killing white people is free speech but not the apartheid flag? They should pick a lane.. Ban the flag and the song or allow both.
      And before anyone calls me racist or anything. Fuck these wannabe apartheid reformers aswell the group supporting their "rights"..I just don't like hypocrisy.

    • @KaelynSmith-bc9ww
      @KaelynSmith-bc9ww 2 месяца назад +1

      doesn’t sound like they defended it to the death, just empty words to defend a racist sentiment

    • @user-jc8ez9iw2j
      @user-jc8ez9iw2j Месяц назад

      ​@@KaelynSmith-bc9ww to defend freedom of speech

    • @KaelynSmith-bc9ww
      @KaelynSmith-bc9ww Месяц назад +1

      @@user-jc8ez9iw2j no, definitely a racist sentiment, literally waving around a flag of “i liked this country better when you weren’t considered human and i had superiority over you”. if the conservative party themselves wants to distance themselves from people that wave it, that should tell you all you need. keep defending racists though, it’s very noble and makes you look cool

    • @user-jc8ez9iw2j
      @user-jc8ez9iw2j Месяц назад

      @@KaelynSmith-bc9ww that's the beauty of Freedom. no matter how racist, evil, or horrible you are at heart. As long as you love and let live, you're fine.
      I support people defending that flag.
      If we're gonna touch on that you'd have to stop buying from pretty much every car company because they loved hitlers flag

  • @johnnydavey6266
    @johnnydavey6266 10 месяцев назад +53

    What their country "had become". My guy, have you seen the state of south Africa now that they gave the country back? SA was a 1st world nation back then.

    • @sallmandar1027
      @sallmandar1027 10 месяцев назад +38

      1st world if you ignored the millions of starving black people

    • @johnnydavey6266
      @johnnydavey6266 10 месяцев назад +23

      @@sallmandar1027 those people are still starving + their power grid is collapsing + so is all of their infrastructure, food supply chains, roads, medical industry, etc. etc.
      The new government never helped those people & its gone backwards economically/ socially as well. It's no longer a safe society & law/order is breaking down. So yes, perhaps but that hasn't been fixed + the country has gotten worse.

    • @DarkMatterX1
      @DarkMatterX1 10 месяцев назад +9

      ​@@johnnydavey6266
      But it makes him feel good to say "but no racisms!"

    • @fsb9603
      @fsb9603 9 месяцев назад +7

      @@sallmandar1027 typical ANC bs lie

    • @scootergrant8683
      @scootergrant8683 6 месяцев назад

      And pretty advanced in many areas.

  • @tristan5546
    @tristan5546 9 месяцев назад +3

    South Africa was objectively better during apartheid.

  • @dennisrothwellcinematicuni8538
    @dennisrothwellcinematicuni8538 10 месяцев назад +256

    Banning flags is always kind of creepy

    • @bob-km4uq
      @bob-km4uq 10 месяцев назад +18

      @@user-nn8cw6nv6g Yeah banning illustrations is fucked up. Also without the protection of rights you will have anarchy, and at that point the flying of any flag will be the least of your concerns

    • @user-nn8cw6nv6g
      @user-nn8cw6nv6g 10 месяцев назад +2

      Is banning the Nazi flag, or the flag of ISIS creepy?
      Free speech, like all other rights, is obsolete. OBVIOUSLY EXCEPT WHEN IT HURTS THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS, GENIUS.

    • @user-nn8cw6nv6g
      @user-nn8cw6nv6g 10 месяцев назад +8

      @@bob-km4uq
      Say, do you know what's written on the Houthi flag? Because I know Arabic.

    • @reddykilowatt
      @reddykilowatt 10 месяцев назад

      yes we need more hateful symbols in this world. let’s stitch them all together and fly them at the UN. 😂😂

    • @slippy2490
      @slippy2490 10 месяцев назад

      @@user-nn8cw6nv6gPeople can say whatever they please. If you want to be the most hateful mf to ever exist so be it. Being a part of a terrorist organization is a different story.

  • @timesnewlogan2032
    @timesnewlogan2032 10 месяцев назад +53

    Classic move: try to distract from real issues by changing something symbolic.

  • @Hilts931
    @Hilts931 9 месяцев назад +5

    When South Africa had nuclear weapons. Now they barely have electricity.

    • @jedinight2353
      @jedinight2353 4 месяца назад

      My father was a First Lieutenant in the South African Special Forces in the 80's/90's, he's told me South Africa was working on nuclear weapons and that always confused me because South Africa didn't seem to be that powerful. Now I know why.

  • @MaxsSeveredHead
    @MaxsSeveredHead 10 месяцев назад +6

    and now look at the joint lmao enjoy hell

  • @jackyichan4759
    @jackyichan4759 10 месяцев назад +445

    Even before knowing the undoubtedly horrific lore behind the design...it's just an awful looking flag.

    • @reddykilowatt
      @reddykilowatt 10 месяцев назад +12

      why what “rules” does it violate? 😂😂

    • @enderguardian7443
      @enderguardian7443 10 месяцев назад +45

      @@reddykilowatt the “rules” (more guidelines than anything else) of flag design don’t matter if you know what you’re doing,
      1)The colours are very common, and orange, unique as it is, is basically an in-between if red and yellow, and red, white, and blue is the most common color combo in flags.
      2)The “symbol” is extremely boring to look at, as they are just 3 different flags stuck together, while all of these would look good or at least passable on their own but as smaller symbols on another flag they look awful and lazily made.

    • @siohunndai
      @siohunndai 10 месяцев назад +13

      @@reddykilowattIt doesn't matter it's still hideous

    • @tonydai782
      @tonydai782 10 месяцев назад +45

      @@reddykilowattMan’s defending a flag with three other flags in the middle of it, what in the world are you on?

    • @ryang1202
      @ryang1202 10 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@reddykilowattthe rules of good design

  • @8_o_860
    @8_o_860 10 месяцев назад +223

    "It had become" Dude. There is no electricity for more than half the day, how is that not a failed society.

    • @CJ-fs1zr
      @CJ-fs1zr 10 месяцев назад +21

      Apartheid nostalgia?

    • @NemeczeK101
      @NemeczeK101 10 месяцев назад +96

      ​@@CJ-fs1zrElectricity nostalgia?

    • @something6141
      @something6141 9 месяцев назад +18

      My dad told me qbout living in apartheid, he said it was food, the economy was great we were basically a 1st world nation, our army strong, and most of all olaying soort with any race of kids, they weren't treated differently when playing together

    • @rafalgan-ganowicz
      @rafalgan-ganowicz 9 месяцев назад +25

      ​@@CJ-fs1zrwhat's wrong with that? It was clearly better for everyone, including the natives. It's very obvious they do not have the capacity to run themselves when left to their own devices as evidenced by practically all post-colonial societies on the continent. The only ones that aren't utter shit are ones that retained strong connections with their colonizers

    • @CJ-fs1zr
      @CJ-fs1zr 9 месяцев назад

      @@rafalgan-ganowicz kick the whyts out of South Africa
      Go cry about muh whyt giniicide
      Whyt bois are cucks
      Also African Countries are the future and thrive thx too China and Russia investments lol
      Asian societies run better and China helping Africa

  • @dutchskyrimgamer.youtube2748
    @dutchskyrimgamer.youtube2748 7 месяцев назад +8

    The fun fact is that one Afrikaner journalist went out to the streets to look if the Van Riebeeckflag is offensive and he asked to blacks and coloureds only. And they either didnt know the flag or say its not an issue for them to see it. The Van Riebeeckflag dates back BEFORE Apartheid, something JJ doesn't mention. But then, the SA Supreme Court has been very anti-Afrikaner. A clear example of this is that AfriForum called upon the court to ban the EFF song "Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer" (A Boer is a word for Afrikaner), but the court stated that it was not hate speech because it is a struggle song from Apartheid time. Meanwhile not much later, multiple farm attacks have been reported where the mostly black attackers shouted "Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer" in the attack. I'm afraid both Nelson Mandela and Frederik Willem de Klerk are crying in heaven for what is happening to the country they had a vision for.

  • @BrandonjSlippingAway
    @BrandonjSlippingAway 3 месяца назад +3

    Absolute eye cancer of a flag anyway

  • @drudgefood6207
    @drudgefood6207 10 месяцев назад +85

    Most current nationalist Boer groups rally around the old flag, but have replaced the British flag on it with third flag connected to their history.

    • @absolute_yote9570
      @absolute_yote9570 10 месяцев назад +3

      What's third flag

    • @drudgefood6207
      @drudgefood6207 10 месяцев назад +19

      @@absolute_yote9570 according to crwflags it's the "strydvlag" or "struggle flag" which looks similar to the the Transvaal flag, only with an orange stripe replacing the red stripe and is used as a symbol of the Boer people in general, as opposed to an old Boer Republic. I also saw one that replaced the union jack with the AWB flag which is even more extreme.

    • @brettfafata3017
      @brettfafata3017 10 месяцев назад +6

      I wonder if that version would be legal because technically it's different.

    • @dutchskyrimgamer.youtube2748
      @dutchskyrimgamer.youtube2748 10 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@brettfafata3017it's not illegal nor hate speech yet.

    • @WickedMapping
      @WickedMapping 10 месяцев назад +3

      Doesn't make much sense to me because South Africa was built on top of the blazing ruins of the Boer Republics in northeastern South Africa at the hands of the British. Disregarding controversy regarding the Apartheid flag, it just doesn't work well at representing Boer nationalism.

  • @MachivelianBear
    @MachivelianBear 10 месяцев назад +149

    Ahh yes. Censor opposition views. Nice one South Africa. I can see the ANC is still up to it’s old tricks.

    • @user-gr9fq9gt9w
      @user-gr9fq9gt9w 10 месяцев назад

      Is banning the Na zi flag, or the flag of ISIS creepy?
      Free speech, like all other rights, is obsolete. OBVIOUSLY EXCEPT WHEN IT HURTS THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS, GENIUS.

    • @mineghostN
      @mineghostN 10 месяцев назад +1

      Another obviously racist South African ^ please ban these people

    • @TwoBsTwoTs
      @TwoBsTwoTs 10 месяцев назад

      You’re weird dude

    • @1302VL
      @1302VL 10 месяцев назад +33

      Oh, I thought child-bomber Mandela was a hero of peace and love?

    • @mineghostN
      @mineghostN 10 месяцев назад

      @@1302VL Nazi punks go away

  • @DavidWestwater-vq6qy
    @DavidWestwater-vq6qy 10 месяцев назад +3

    Meanwhile another 10 hours without electricity in South Africa. Meanwhile if it wasn't for vigilante justice in South Africa there wouldn't be any

  • @Konstantinos_XII
    @Konstantinos_XII Месяц назад +4

    How’s SA doing these days?

  • @nathanporrata9274
    @nathanporrata9274 10 месяцев назад +328

    I mean, it's a really stupid looking flag, but flags shouldn't be illegal

    • @donovanlocust1106
      @donovanlocust1106 10 месяцев назад +70

      You're basically just saying that a symbol of racism shouldn't be banned.

    • @JJMcCullough
      @JJMcCullough  10 месяцев назад +134

      The South African constitution allows for symbols of hate to be banned

    • @nathanporrata9274
      @nathanporrata9274 10 месяцев назад +197

      @@donovanlocust1106 yes. That's exactly what I'm saying

    • @nathanporrata9274
      @nathanporrata9274 10 месяцев назад +166

      @@JJMcCullough cool. That's wrong though

    • @astartesrex
      @astartesrex 10 месяцев назад +48

      @@donovanlocust1106Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying.
      Either you think people are smart enough to choose their leaders or they’re dumb enough to be suckered into obvious lies - you can’t have it both ways.
      Edit: To clarify: Regulating speech effectively means that you want the population to think and act a particular way - AKA social engineering. Now that’s fine, in fact I’d say it’s preferable in some cases, but it doesn’t logically fit with a democratic mindset - that being that the people should choose what direction a country goes in.
      If the latter is what you sincerely believe, then the former would be an inherent violation of it.
      And if you do accept both, then all I ask is that you admit the cognitive dissonance and move on.

  • @digs1223
    @digs1223 10 месяцев назад +313

    The flag's a painful reminder of when the country actually functioned.

    • @ukaszwalczak1154
      @ukaszwalczak1154 10 месяцев назад +69

      I mean, to be fair, it functioned in one way, doesn't mean it was morally functioning.

    • @agonefire
      @agonefire 10 месяцев назад +52

      And now SA is “morally functional”…?

    • @sameagletheregal8526
      @sameagletheregal8526 10 месяцев назад +5

      @ukaszwalczak1154 by whose morals?

    • @something6141
      @something6141 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@sameagletheregal8526the ANC aka white people haters

    • @Alieth
      @Alieth 9 месяцев назад +19

      @@sameagletheregal8526by a majority of the population, as a democracy should be

  • @kalebboshoff1159
    @kalebboshoff1159 4 месяца назад +4

    Don't make a conclusion of something you do not understant. It does not represent hate or racial supremacy. The flag represents history of the boer war.

  • @nostaldec4705
    @nostaldec4705 10 месяцев назад +73

    I’m from Canberra, and the nearby town of Cooma has a display of the flags that several countries had when their people came to work on the nearby Snowy Mountains Scheme. For a long time, this included the old South African flag, and it wasn’t changed until last year.

    • @user-nn8cw6nv6g
      @user-nn8cw6nv6g 10 месяцев назад +9

      I imagine that's the same with many WW1 & 2 monuments all over the Anglosphere

    • @MalachiCo0
      @MalachiCo0 10 месяцев назад +8

      Heh heh, Cooma

    • @ramzanninety-five3639
      @ramzanninety-five3639 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@user-nn8cw6nv6g not really. I grew up in the 1990s and I have never seen the old South African flag, even though my city in Canada had a sizeable population of post-1994 South African refugees and immigrants. Even when I was in South Africa, I never saw it anywhere

    • @jxavier3876
      @jxavier3876 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@MalachiCo0Cooma

    • @brownerjerry174
      @brownerjerry174 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@MalachiCo0 Wait till you hear of many many "xyz's knob" in Australia

  • @sierrax-ray7709
    @sierrax-ray7709 10 месяцев назад +16

    I hate what apartheid was and represented, however i always have trouble trusting governments (especially those as known for corruption as SA) with governing speech and symbolism.

    • @jmac356
      @jmac356 9 месяцев назад

      You can't just apologise. You have to improve too, heck, it's basically the JOB of any government.

    • @notwanted6695
      @notwanted6695 8 месяцев назад

      Thank you exactly with the kill the Boer bullshit too

  • @mr99official28
    @mr99official28 10 месяцев назад +3

    They can barely enforce people having the right private property... 😅😅😅😅

  • @Ryuell-gz9to
    @Ryuell-gz9to 10 месяцев назад +47

    Long live the Afrikaners!

    • @bkos1917
      @bkos1917 8 месяцев назад

      subhuman vermin

  • @99onone50
    @99onone50 10 месяцев назад +5

    "multiracial democracy" LMAO

  • @STVODVIL
    @STVODVIL 10 месяцев назад +79

    Banning a flag is idiotic.

    • @shaebrown2872
      @shaebrown2872 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@vnolan633yes he is exactly like JJ

    • @johnplummer4785
      @johnplummer4785 10 месяцев назад +9

      @@vnolan633The flag should be shunned, but banning it carries a danger

    • @ibrahimbello5546
      @ibrahimbello5546 10 месяцев назад +9

      @@johnplummer4785 no it doesn't

    • @user-gz1nv6nw3q
      @user-gz1nv6nw3q 10 месяцев назад +3

      Next, they'll burn books

    • @caoilfhionndunbar
      @caoilfhionndunbar 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@johnplummer4785 no it carries no danger

  • @stevethomas5849
    @stevethomas5849 10 месяцев назад +11

    Union of South Africa Flag was not an Apartied Flag as it predates that period.

  • @Samzilla2000
    @Samzilla2000 4 месяца назад +3

    Didn’t South Africa just commit genocide in like 2017

  • @ea2631
    @ea2631 10 месяцев назад +81

    Westerners arguing for the end of free speech lmao

    • @jimmyjones8676
      @jimmyjones8676 10 месяцев назад +13

      Like a heavy pack after a long hike they don't even notice it until it's gone.

    • @JG-PyroTX
      @JG-PyroTX 9 месяцев назад

      He's Canadian and they don't have free speech.

    • @chalkwizard1292
      @chalkwizard1292 9 месяцев назад

      Yes. Not everything should be protected by free speech. There are some opinions that should never be spoken. Modernist liberalist ideas of freedom are a new concept and not at all a part of western civilization.

    • @suhnih4076
      @suhnih4076 6 месяцев назад +1

      I wouldn't call South Africans westerners lol

    • @jangpokemar3449
      @jangpokemar3449 6 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@suhnih4076Well if you go west for long enough you'll get to South Africa eventually

  • @tucayojct416
    @tucayojct416 10 месяцев назад +30

    And look at South Africa now.

    • @ShehuStebe
      @ShehuStebe 9 месяцев назад

      What about it? At least it’s not a racially segregated society where Blacks don’t have civil rights.

  • @se6369
    @se6369 10 месяцев назад +3

    Freedom of speech? What's that?

  • @astrofox1155
    @astrofox1155 Месяц назад +1

    As a great philosopher once said, “Could’ve been worse… they could’ve been French.”

  • @hodor3024
    @hodor3024 10 месяцев назад +46

    I did become a dysfunctional mess though.

    • @KarlSnarks
      @KarlSnarks 10 месяцев назад +6

      Well a huge part of the population used to be oppressed, so suggesting it was better ignores that it was only better for white people (if we assume it was better at all, which I don't know)

    • @MelonHead78
      @MelonHead78 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@KarlSnarksnow its worse or the same for everyone

    • @soltier8965
      @soltier8965 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@KarlSnarksnow everyone has to suffer, at least then SOME people got to live a halfway decent life.

    • @notwanted6695
      @notwanted6695 9 месяцев назад +1

      ​​@@KarlSnarksit was and buddy many black south Africans wish it was the old days instead of now. Just like Rhodesia

  • @user53149
    @user53149 10 месяцев назад +8

    I really despise how that flag became a symbol of hate because I think it’s far prettier than the current SA flag. I love the combination of Orange, White, and Blue.

    • @laynestaley4957
      @laynestaley4957 4 месяца назад +2

      I agree, I don't understand why people find the old SA flag ugly. Just because it has other flags on it??

  • @ALEXASHEE237
    @ALEXASHEE237 5 месяцев назад +4

    I miss that flag

  • @FlagArmadaProductions
    @FlagArmadaProductions 3 месяца назад +4

    From a vexillogical perspective the old flag is cringe.

    • @ezralegum6236
      @ezralegum6236 2 месяца назад

      The colors are fine, but they put too many flags on that flag.

  • @bendkok
    @bendkok 10 месяцев назад +25

    Is it a blanket ban or are there some exceptions, like in a historical context for example?

    • @JJMcCullough
      @JJMcCullough  10 месяцев назад +50

      I believe the court referred to “gratuitous” display

    • @justanotheranimeprofilepic
      @justanotheranimeprofilepic 10 месяцев назад +11

      I would assume they would use the nazi ban- germany template

    • @user-hk1vi9pz9s
      @user-hk1vi9pz9s 10 месяцев назад +12

      From what I know it is allowed to be displayed in museums and other building interiors but not outside where it can be involuntarily seen by the public

    • @justanotheranimeprofilepic
      @justanotheranimeprofilepic 10 месяцев назад +4

      @@vladimirrashkovsky6274 I'm confused what you are calling a terrorist state

    • @captainl-ron4068
      @captainl-ron4068 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@justanotheranimeprofilepicSouth Africa post-1994, a failed state with genocidal policies…..what’s difficult to understand about that?

  • @RonaldTrumpOfficial
    @RonaldTrumpOfficial 10 месяцев назад +2

    Man the orange white and blue kinda slaps. A shame it’s got terrible connotations.

  • @francebread8947
    @francebread8947 10 месяцев назад +2

    The flag is in War Thunder still. You can’t stop the snail.

  • @norwalk2630
    @norwalk2630 10 месяцев назад +3

    Now lets check on South Africa now to see how they're doing since the end of apartheid? What? No water? Constant blackouts? How could this have happened?

  • @aidanlutz8106
    @aidanlutz8106 10 месяцев назад +9

    Guys, something important to remember is that while Zimbabwe and South Africa are extremely corrupt now, we can’t go back to old ways. We must create a better future for everyone, without discrimination nor corruption!

    • @jmac356
      @jmac356 9 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, the present sucked. But the past probably sucked more.

    • @jedinight2353
      @jedinight2353 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@jmac356 Comparatively the country was better than now in terms of living conditions and economy. Did you know South Africa was almost a Nuclear power? Not anymore they aren't! That's how shitty the country became after the shit show of a government came to power, forcing the old one out.

    • @jmac356
      @jmac356 4 месяца назад +1

      @@jedinight2353 Agree to disagreee, bloke who's still talking about the past. Not with the nuclear power thing though.

  • @fatkitten233
    @fatkitten233 2 месяца назад +2

    When a flag is so controversial that an organisation advocating for use of said flag in public discourages said use of said flag in their own events:

  • @ash_11117
    @ash_11117 10 месяцев назад +6

    Am I the only one who likes the design of the flag?

    • @jimmyjones8676
      @jimmyjones8676 10 месяцев назад +1

      Yes

    • @ash_11117
      @ash_11117 13 дней назад

      @@jimmyjones8676 The orange is good, and uncommon on flags. I think that's why I like it.

    • @jimmyjones8676
      @jimmyjones8676 13 дней назад

      @@ash_11117 The Tricolour aspect if fine but the several smaller flags in the middle look terrible.

  • @tealwraith9045
    @tealwraith9045 10 месяцев назад +53

    You forgot to mention that SA has gone down the tubes since the change just like Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

    • @dawnslayer
      @dawnslayer 10 месяцев назад +4

      'xactly.

    • @raimohoft1236
      @raimohoft1236 10 месяцев назад

      Bla..s can't gouvern. Fat Cats on every continent.

    • @petersmythe6462
      @petersmythe6462 9 месяцев назад +9

      It really hasn't. Life improved for the majority of the population even if there are persistent problems and new ones for the previously well off subsection of the population.

    • @kremepye3613
      @kremepye3613 9 месяцев назад +8

      ​@@petersmythe6462lol where are you if you think that 😂😂😂

    • @Frenchfrys17
      @Frenchfrys17 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@kremepye3613And where you are getting your evidence from? RUclips?

  • @albertsovenskiy6140
    @albertsovenskiy6140 10 месяцев назад +3

    In Albany, NY there’s a Korean War monument downtown that has the flags of every allied UN country that sent forces to Korea, including this flag of South Africa

    • @igoravonich2013
      @igoravonich2013 2 месяца назад

      It's nice to see the other countries who gave some in that conflict being remembered

  • @jedinight2353
    @jedinight2353 4 месяца назад +4

    To be completely fair, the country as since declined heavily since 1994, one reason being experienced white farmers had their land taken from them and given to inexperienced or outright not farmers of african origin. There are other reasons as well, the country has been in decline.
    But our Rugby team still kicks ass! 2023 Rugby World Cup champioooonnn!!!! 🏉 🏉 🇿🇦🇿🇦
    I'm American but my Father is a White immigrant from South Africa.

    • @user-qm2li8zx2d
      @user-qm2li8zx2d 4 месяца назад

      Just call it a reconquista. Same as Spain.

  • @ayu-fq4xm
    @ayu-fq4xm 10 месяцев назад +14

    In Turkey, hotels have the flags of countries where they get alot of tourists from, so generally russian and german flags. I once saw a hotel with the flag of apartheid south africa, flying high and proud. The owners not know that it changed it

    • @kyh148
      @kyh148 10 месяцев назад +3

      plot twist: they knew
      Also, does that mean there are both more German flags in Turkey and more Turkish flags in Germany than German flags in Germany?

    • @umtic
      @umtic 10 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@kyh148In fairness, we Turkish are one of the most national flag crazed people, along with Americans.

    • @azarshadakumuktir4551
      @azarshadakumuktir4551 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@umtic I saw some football plays where the national turkish team was playing... A lot of red and white XD... Nearly everyone had a flag.

    • @jimmyjones8676
      @jimmyjones8676 10 месяцев назад

      @@umtic I blame Ataturk.

    • @MrMan-dd4hi
      @MrMan-dd4hi 10 месяцев назад +1

      What if I fly a Greek or Armenian flag? Or a PKK one?

  • @samuelb-1406
    @samuelb-1406 10 месяцев назад +87

    'Historic oppressors' while oppressing other people is crazy.

    • @thomastakesatollforthedark2231
      @thomastakesatollforthedark2231 10 месяцев назад +13

      And they were right too

    • @caydcrow5161
      @caydcrow5161 10 месяцев назад +9

      Yeah, do you need history explained to you?

    • @user-gr9fq9gt9w
      @user-gr9fq9gt9w 10 месяцев назад

      Is banning the Nazi flag, or the flag of ISIS creepy?
      Free speech, like all other rights, is obsolete. OBVIOUSLY EXCEPT WHEN IT HURTS THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS, GENIUS.

    • @Theorimlig
      @Theorimlig 10 месяцев назад +35

      No it's not, a group that oppresses other groups can themselves be oppressed at the same time. Look at other colonial situations like how the Tutsis treated the Hutus in Rwanda while both being oppressed by German and later Belgian colonizers.

    • @siohunndai
      @siohunndai 10 месяцев назад +10

      It's very crazy, the people in the replies are trying to argue with you as if the Dutch weren't literally part of the problem

  • @otter2206
    @otter2206 9 месяцев назад +2

    Lets not look at quality of life or food supply before and after 😀 i can understand you being okay with censorship too being Canadian

  • @JamesA.Garfield
    @JamesA.Garfield 9 месяцев назад +15

    “This is the most notorious flag of the 20th Century”
    Nazi and Imperial Japanese flags: “Allow us to introduce ourselves”

  • @SamAronow
    @SamAronow 10 месяцев назад +19

    What are the implications for depictions of the flag in historical documentaries on RUclips?

    • @JJMcCullough
      @JJMcCullough  10 месяцев назад +37

      I think that’s fine, the court ruled that context matters

    • @Sodium_Slug
      @Sodium_Slug 10 месяцев назад +8

      ​@@kylemccormack1785I can't threat to kill people, this is truly 1984

    • @Sodium_Slug
      @Sodium_Slug 10 месяцев назад

      @@kylemccormack1785 What's stupid is seeing a law mean to have a way to prosecute white supremacists before they commit acts of terror and feeling threatened by it.

    • @azarshadakumuktir4551
      @azarshadakumuktir4551 10 месяцев назад +14

      @@kylemccormack1785 I mean is really your biggest way of expressing your freedom displaying the flag of past racist regimes? Flags are symbolic. I am not that much in favour of the ban either but such ways of defending it are stupid. The question is if such opinions can be symbolically displayed or not, complete freedom of speech never existed.

    • @wolfieinu
      @wolfieinu 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@JJMcCullough Correct - historical context is fine, so museums, documentaries, fiction, etc., are not covered. Public display as if it's just another flag is banned. There will probably be edge cases but when used in a historical context it's clearly excluded from the ban

  • @jl696
    @jl696 10 месяцев назад +15

    I believe the new flag is becoming just as notorious as the old. South Africa is becoming more like the failed state of Zimbabwe every single day.

    • @kyh148
      @kyh148 10 месяцев назад +3

      Pretty sad. The flag is really beautiful and unique.

    • @hydromic2518
      @hydromic2518 10 месяцев назад

      We’re not there yet and we could actually do something about it if people stopped complaining about it and actually decided to help fix things

    • @jl696
      @jl696 10 месяцев назад

      @@hydromic2518 Don't worry. South Africa's new colonial masters will fix everything, apparently.

    • @hydromic2518
      @hydromic2518 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@jl696 who are you talking about and in what context? The ANC is definitely losing its majority in the next election and South Africa isn’t a colony it’s a sovereign nation

    • @lvincent8843
      @lvincent8843 10 месяцев назад

      @@hydromic2518 Vote the ANC out! But who will replace them? Good luck to all South Africans, may you find peace and competent governance!

  • @MsMimo07
    @MsMimo07 10 месяцев назад +4

    The good thing is that nowadays in SA nobody gives a sh!t about the law anyway, so whoever wants to can just keep flying this flag🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @RockSpiders
    @RockSpiders Месяц назад +2

    They ban the old flag, but allow the leader of the 3rd biggest party to openly call for genocide (He litterally sings "Kill the boer", boer meaning white afrikaans person)
    Double standards are crazy

  • @aaronithink3853
    @aaronithink3853 10 месяцев назад +20

    Nah I know jj is sick of these comments like 14 people have commented the same “I know some more notorious flags 🤓” comment like yeah but that’s not the point of the video

    • @mineghostN
      @mineghostN 10 месяцев назад +13

      It’s people that want to undermine the racist history of the flag. They know what they’re doing.

  • @jakovvodanovic9165
    @jakovvodanovic9165 10 месяцев назад +4

    What a priority for a government facing lawlessness and blackouts.

  • @cosettapessa6417
    @cosettapessa6417 10 месяцев назад +3

    Hate speech instead of keeping lights and water on 😂

  • @desran4447
    @desran4447 10 месяцев назад +16

    There were Dutch and British parts on the old flag because Dutch and British created the contry. The only reason South Africa has its borders, its institutions, its infrastructure is beacuse British and Dutch people made it so. And they keep making it so, just look at what regions of the country are recieving money from the budget and what are contributing to it. I will finish with a fact: apartheid SA was the only African country to ever develop a nuke, post-apartheid has troubles keeping electricity 24/7, take that as you will

  • @baufnwnag6763
    @baufnwnag6763 10 месяцев назад +6

    I saw this flag on Nova Scotia pickup truck recently.
    To be fair, the license plate was from Alberta.

  • @delila5034
    @delila5034 10 месяцев назад +94

    Personally, I would have banned it for being too ugly.

    • @helloxonsfan
      @helloxonsfan 10 месяцев назад +1

      They also need to outlaw the Confederate flag. That thing represents a former enemy of the US & hate... & it's ugly as hell...!!!

    • @onionfarmer3044
      @onionfarmer3044 10 месяцев назад +3

      The only correct comment under this video.

    • @dutchskyrimgamer.youtube2748
      @dutchskyrimgamer.youtube2748 10 месяцев назад +2

      I find it beautiful and I speak Afrikaans. Its also because the ANC makes South Africa one big circus rather then the strongest African country on the continent

    • @delila5034
      @delila5034 10 месяцев назад

      @@dutchskyrimgamer.youtube2748 Found the racist

    • @something6141
      @something6141 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@dutchskyrimgamer.youtube2748yeah, stealing our money also i liked the old flag

  • @lukeozade9957
    @lukeozade9957 3 месяца назад +2

    The falg you referred to as dutch isn't the Netherlands flag. Its the vierkleur (four colour) it was the flag of the zuid afrikaanse republiek or what the british deemed "Transvaal". The middle one is the flag of the boere rupubliek van die oranhe vrystaat.

  • @thierryparte2506
    @thierryparte2506 Месяц назад +1

    SA: *entire economy going down the drain*
    SA solution: *ban flag*

  • @Ashley.D
    @Ashley.D 10 месяцев назад +24

    Why is the Union Jack upside down on the old SA flag?

    • @DJVexillum
      @DJVexillum 10 месяцев назад +43

      Because S. Africa is in the southern hemisphere. Ergo, it would be seen as upside-down when viewed from Britain.

    • @Inopibus
      @Inopibus 10 месяцев назад +17

      Bit bizarre, but apparently because the flag in the middle is meant to be like the flag-pole for the other two flags. Thus the Union Jack is "hoisted" on the right, and therefore we're seeing the back of it.

    • @AmritpreetSingh
      @AmritpreetSingh 10 месяцев назад

      JJ does that to the union jack in every video

    • @davidozab2753
      @davidozab2753 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@DJVexillum😂

    • @VV_PaVria
      @VV_PaVria 10 месяцев назад +4

      It's not flipped upside down, but right to left. The hoists of the two outer flags were placed around the middle one.

  • @dogbot55
    @dogbot55 10 месяцев назад +44

    Ah yes, flag banning, a great tradition that is never a sign of a problem

    • @Noelle__vibes
      @Noelle__vibes 10 месяцев назад

      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

    • @shaesmith2831
      @shaesmith2831 10 месяцев назад +12

      It’s worked well in Germany

    • @ashkitt7719
      @ashkitt7719 10 месяцев назад

      @@shaesmith2831 The far-right AfD is still the second-largest party in Germany so...

    • @alexiel4406
      @alexiel4406 10 месяцев назад

      @@shaesmith2831yeah the Germans have been banning freedom of speech and expression since 1936😂 glad to see that they have continued to do soo

    • @KarlSnarks
      @KarlSnarks 10 месяцев назад

      @@shaesmith2831 In favor of Germany banning the nazi flag, but we can't pretend it really did much to stop neonazis. They now just use other flags and symbols, like that Keizerflag or whatever it's called with the cross

  • @simpicusmaximus
    @simpicusmaximus 10 месяцев назад +3

    Imagine prioritizing this through legislation when they literally can't keep the lights on