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the souls of there ancestors want to go back home with there help. some times you find your self going back to the birth place of your ancestors without knowing why you what to be there, but its the souls of the past wanting go home
These youngsters have little loaf even by my comparison at that age, but you got to appreciate their willingness & want to explore;) Makes me wish there was an unknown place to find then venture! Such is life, the more you know the smaller & duller it all seems?
Being stranded with friends vs a bunch of strangers probably helps keep things from turning sour on an abandoned island as well regardless of the merits or faults of any culture.
@@hi-tych No way they said vs. Must be why i also said used vs. in my response. It must also be why i agreed with the statement. I just commented that the kids from lord of the flies were classmates not strangers. Read my friend. Read
The most incredible part of their story is the finding of their ancestors knives, that was probably their biggest contributor to surviving on the island
Some may say they "spiritually" kept them alive... but it can't be denied that they literally kept them alive. Those knives they found were critical tools for their survival, not to mention the domesticated chickens and other food that had been grown on the island.
That captain and those boys are absolutely incredible. Who cares if he wanted to make it a movie he saved 6 lives. And for them to nurse their friend back to health instead of treating him like a nuisance shows inherently how kind hearted and full of integrity they truly were
Tongans are generally very friendly and follow the teachings of the Bible closely, it's part of their culture. They are very family-oriented too and it really shows
I can't imagine how heartbreaking it was for them when one of the boys broke his leg, they must've thought of the worst outcomes that his injury might be severe and could be fatal because there's no real medical assistance there. Losing a friend on that condition and age will be very traumatic for them, I'm glad he survived that accident.
@@MimiMangetsu even without that a break can lead to clots forming that break lose and enter the heart. We don't normally think of broken limbs as potentially deadly in their own right but it does happen.
Lord of the Flies was written because the author didn't like the book, The Coral Island. He thought that boys would not get on and cooperate to survive. But as it is what humans have done since we came out of the trees, and probably even before that, I think any group would cooperate and try to survive.
I think it depend on the resources available, the usefulness of the stranded and how many people stranded. Small group, plenty of resources and strong able guys. They had everything going for them.
Well, we have to bear in mind that (I think) William Golding was also attacking British _high_ society. British high society does produce a bunch of bratty, selfish offspring that would tear each other apart from the first moment of crisis. Pacific Islander society, at the time especially, rewarded and punished a different set of traits; the kinds of traits rewarded in British upper class households are very different from the traits rewarded in Pacific Islander homes at the time.
A hundred years later, the vanished people of the island still kept their children safe there. ☺️ Such is the power of stone tools and legacy of a civilization. In the modern Amazon jungle for example, a lot of the food bearing plants are there because the ancient civilizations grew them in their gardens and fields.
>a lot of the food bearing plants are there because the ancient civilizations grew them in their gardens and fields. would they not have been there already, then cultivated? I could see selective breeding making them better and more edible verities though.
@@MrSolLeks if it didnt naturally grow on the island the plants would over take others, also if it was already there then it would have plants that look the same but are poisonous
what an inspiring story. Those 6 boys did a miracle, and that captain did something his family never dreamed he could have done - save 6 lives and impact the world with an amazing story. About the "exploit", the man did everything right. He saved the boys, paid off their debts, hired them, and got their permission to use sell their story.
Yeah I mean there's literally no downside to this so-called "exploitation". More like a mutual agreement that benefits both parties I'd say. These boys are now free from the island, free from the criminal charges, and they agreed to tell their story will go on to inspire many people.
Bro, that fisherman got some issues. Kids go missing for months and are marked for dead. They survive. Return home. And his first order of the day is to press charges and get them sent to jail.
it could have been his sole souce of income, selling the boat may have been his only way to retire. How would you feel if I stole your life savings and cost you your job?
The spinning he experienced when getting off the boat could have been due to dehydration, but this is actually a pretty common phenomenon if you spend enough time on a boat at sea. Depending on how rocky the waters (and your vessel) are, you may get your "sea legs," which help you to counterbalance yourself against the motion. However, when you step on land again, the land will always seem to rock and sway. Your brain is still accommodating to being on land, again, so it actually makes the still land feel disorienting for a moment. I experienced this a number of times on a sailing training vessel I vacationed on, when I was younger, though I was well fed and hydrated at all times. I could probably understand how being starved and dehydrated would just enhance the experience, though! Sorry, I know it is such a small detail, and I'm not trying to nitpick, I just thought it was interesting enough to mention!
Sounds similar to listening on YT at 2x speed a lenghty video of familar content and after that listening to other video at 1x aka normal speed. It gets a while to catch up with the normal speech.
This was my take as well. The rocking became ‘normal’ equilibrium and the steady ground was odd. There was an experiment around this same era where people wore a headset with mirrors that reversed his they saw the world. After a period of adjustment they were able to operate normally. When the headsets were removed they had the same problems they did when they first put them on, but were able to re-adapt soon. And that’s just the visual input - not even taking into account equilibrium and balance changes that happen in the inner ear.
It is so fortunate that those boys knew how to swim and that they ended up on that island at all, considering no navigation. And the island basically came pre-loaded for survival. So many lucky turns
@@MK-hw2ir God was , by your logic, also responsible for the taking of the original people living there. If that community was still there, the boys would've had a much, much easier time 'surviving'. For anything 'good' your god does in a bad situation, you have to wonder, who made the situation bad in the first place...... That feels like a mob-boss 'helping' you with a problem that he created for you.
@@DreadX10 His most beloved creation He has ever created (The prophet), had the hardest life ever: his father died just before he was born, his mother died when he was 5, his grandmother (where he then lived) died a few years after that. When the message of Monotheism reached him, he had to preach it to the people, he did, he got beaten up, boycotted for 3 years (he couldn’t buy anything, he had to eat leaves from the trees), after that they chased after him with stones, which they threw at him, he ran until his feet were bleeding. After that EVERY single child that he had died in his lifetime except 1 (8 out of 9 kids died during his life, only 1 survived and she passed away 6months after the prophet died). In conclusion, God testifies that the prophet is His most beloved creation and says he is the greatest man ever, yet he had to suffer like no other. This short life is a test and The Lord tests those who he loves
The boys literally said shut up we don’t mind him selling the story and that should be enough. Warner saved their lives, paid their bail, and hired them on a movie as well as got them a ton of publicity by connecting them to film producers and news outlets. The boys were clearly happy with the outcome so don’t see why anyone would consider it exploitation.
Because these people are desperate to play victim for people who were not victims. Playing victim is a lifestyle for many or playing the victim in the name of others virtue signaling.
And he clearly had the boys' best interests at heart - if he hadn't have snagged the rights, some low-life would have, and they would be left with nothing.
Capt. Peter Warner continued to answer the call of the sea for decades after. She finally took him this past April when his ship capsized while crossing the Ballina Bar off NSW. He was 90 years.
Obviously no, the act of saving the boys does not give Warner the rights to their story. The boys allowing him to have the rights to their story gives him the rights to their story. Why is this a debate?
Anyone could write a story you don't need permission. They allowed themselves to be filmed and gave those rights away. I agree with your conclusion tho
I assume that people have issues because of the events surrounding the allowing him to have the rights thing, but from the quote from one of the boys it seems more or less fine
because there are always people who had NOTHING to do with the entire event but still feel the urge and entitlement to elbow their way to the spotlight and yell "I am the victim! I have nothing to do with it. I don't even know these people. But MY feelings are hurt. Now bend backwards to unhurt them."
Yeah that's because it was more of a statement piece than it was truthful. A small group if kids wouldn't devolve into animals, they'd work together to survive. It's what humanity has been doing since the beginning of existence. Cooperation is the only reason we survived to begin with lol
@@velvetdarksoul8741 Can you name an animal that lives in groups that you can compare interactions with per capita to humans? I'll standby for your answer so I can absolutely demolish this perfect animal kingdom you've built up in your head.
Bro that teenagers had more maturity than a lot of guys I met... they knew how to communicate and solve problems without majors fights! That's impressive
Sooo... they wanted to escape the strictures of modernity being cast over the island on which they were born, and the sea broke their ship, to carry them to their ancestral home... genius loci much? What a powerful story! Edit: if the men say its fine, then its fine. I love everything about this story, thanks for sharing
Not to mention them seeking adventure and freedom...Got them more than they bargained for by restricting them to an uninhabited island. There's a lot of irony in how they got there and how they were rescued.
a hundred years later, and the boys were saved by the things left over by their ancestors nearly feels as though they were watched over, but who knows this story is oddly heartwarming
Considering the surroundings and the Tongan Ancestry, the odds were 100%. They were, at some point, on all of the islands within a 1000km radius, so it's either land touched by their ancestors or a watery grave
as others pointed out, not that low at all. Ocean currents exist and is how humans have traversed the seas from very early times, as Thor Heyerdahl proved
I think Warner did right to the best of his knowledge. Sharing a true story that one was a part of is not exploitation. He helped the young men multiple times and then hired them...he may not have been one of the castaways, but he was a big part of their story...perhaps the only reason their story was ever to be told at all.
... and he invited them to see the world, giving them a job on his boat. We don't know how much money he made from selling the rights, how much he had to work as their "agent", nor if he gave the boys part of the money apart from the price for the boat. So none of us can say if it was exploitation or not.
These boys really were protected by the spirit of their ancestors. I couldn't think of any other way to put it. Of all the places in all the world to be stranded on an island with such a historic significance that left behind the foundations for them to thrive.
indeed something about them finding the knives, and using them jsut as their ancestors who made them once did, it feels complete? idk how to put it it fits together in a beautiful way, much like the ancestors were living one last time through the boys, keeping them alive and protecting them it's truly wonderful, and in a way spiritually complete
@@SunKissedPeach God had nothing to do with it. This was purely of their own merits. Humans are very adaptable creatures, and these boys showed exactly what we're capable of.
@@mechamedeisa9622 ikrr, ik they mean well by it and its just what some people believe in but like we should congratulate our hard work as ours and not anyone elses
I just finished reading Lord of the Flies two weeks ago, then this video appeared on my recommended just now. Honestly, I am very disappointed that nobody talks about these people and their cool story of survival. Their tale should not be forgotten
i still have that book. it's so depressing for me, i never read it more than once. the video says there's a published version of THIS hopeful story, and i want to read it as an antidote.
You know what hard take, rescue man did nothing wrong. Yeah he used castaway children to make a lot of money, but on the other hand the boys were going to be prisoners or in debt to the boat guy. This was the best outcome for everybody.
Plus it's not like there was any animosity, at least in the articles listed in the description. They joined his crew and remained lifelong friends with him, according to the articles.
As a poc myself, I find it painfully ironic that the people decrying "colonialism" in situations like this one are themselves usually white people speaking over the voices of the indigenous people. It's like they believe they know better than the indigenous people themselves what they need/want. "I don't care if you consented to this and properly understood what you agreed to. Us college educated people who had nothing to do with your situation until now need to protect you from yourself."
@@blazertundra You've figured out what the term White Knight means. Pretending to be the Heroic Non-Racist...Only for them to actually be Racist with a Supremacist mentality. I'm a White person...Which doesn't matter at all because anyone at all should be incredibly annoyed by White Knights and condemn them for the Hypocritical Racists they're. Because it's 100% supremacist mentality to make decisions for others because you think you're smarter. Then it's always racial because it's always Self-Hating Whites despising their own race while telling other races what to think and feel...What to be offended by. Like people can't make up their own minds? Like the policy shouldn't be I don't know just accepting what people say by allowing them to speak for themselves while also realizing that different people and cultures all have different yet nonetheless valid opinions and perspectives?!
@@blazertundra nah, you're just bigoted. College doesn't have a course in common sense. Especially when you paid all that money just to defend said bigotry. Thanks for making us richer. lol
That's awesome that they already had some very important basic skills of living off the land. That most certainly kept them alive and this is the stuff that should be taught in schools. Not just In case of getting stranded somewhere but it can help people survive and thrive if they ever become homeless or are just poor. It also probably helped they were stranded somewhere In a climate that was mostly identical to the one they grew up in. Either way that's still amazing. Good for them. As for the guy who sold their story. If the boys are ok with it then there's nothing else to say.
The reason those skills wouldn't be taught in schools is because being homeless is a death sentence by most governments. Within the United States of America 53% of cities make it illegal to not have a home. The act of existing within those cities is criminalized due to something they lack. Within the USA the government does not ensure there is affordable housing so if a rich person wants to purchase all the houses in an area and then drive the prices of those houses up, there is nothing preventing it. The housing prices go up and the houses are left uninhabited. This is the state Los Angeles is in right now. With a homeless population over 40,000 the city cannot tell them to just buy a house since in comparison to the rest of the nation the houses are vastly more expensive. The houses aren't better but the point is location. Any attempt to assist homeless people within the USA is usually met with a governing body putting an end to it. Even attempts within laws have been made but then brought into appeals and overturned. I speak for the USA as it is the country I have personally been homeless in but this is an international problem. In Hungary, being homeless is criminalized within their national constitution. Nations that function through capitalism style economics don't want homeless people to survive. The existence of them bring no benefit to the highest class of people but they are seen as an eye sore so they are exterminated. A few years back I watched on the news in Chicago as the city's police force entered a homeless camp the day after a charity event happened to prepare them for the harsh winter. With all their supplies now within that camp, the police entered and seized it all. On the spot the city burned all the donations and the few things these people already had. The amount of homeless deaths that winter was not a statistic I saw and I was pretty invested. If they don't want the impact seen, it won't be.
Arguably, school is basically about teaching the basic skills of living in modern society. Most people don't live off the land anymore if you live in even moderately sized towns/cities. So survival skills to scavenge the land isn't going to be really useful for most people. Even if you are a farmer that harvests the land, skills for individual survival still isn't going to be useful, as you will have to build farms that are in a much larger scale than to feed yourself to be economically viable and that means a lot of mechanisation, specialisation, and reliance on other parts of society, many of these techniques may not scale down to individual survival skills very well. The problem? I don't think that school necessarily are teaching the skills for living in modern society very well either. Modern schooling system are designed around the early age of industrialization. We've moved past that period but the schooling system hadn't really adapted.
Honestly I remember seeing this on a Reddit video, and somebody unironically said something along the lines of”of course this shows how LAZY and USELESS this generation is why waste time on this rather than building a boat to escape they were so foolish” also fun fury building a boat is the worst thing to do when stranded on an island because it most likely will not survive the trip back home.
This is one of the best stories, Brew has ever told. I have always suspected there were better tales of humans forced to survive outside of a comfortable society.
This is the most wholesome survival story I've heard. Most survival stories I encountered have them eating their dead companions in order to live, or having to cut their own limbs after being crushed by something.
This is actually fairly typical as far as survival stories go. Blueprint by Nicholas Christakis gives many examples of this. You just hear about the dark ones because "things basically work out well." Is not that interesting.
The difference between this and lord of the flies is deeper than just a superficial blaming of ‘colonialism’. 1) The boys in lord of the flies were younger. These boys were late treens where lord of the flies were early teen at oldest and many preteen. The difference in maturity during this short period is huge. 2) it was a larger group, with much looser initial bonds. 3) it’s fiction. The author was exploring what ‘could’ happen as a reflection of how he saw the world, as opposed to a true tale of what can actually happen.
Number 3 is really the only relevant point. Fiction is fiction, doesn’t really matter what justification you put on a story, it is imagined, every scenario where things go wrong and madness sets in was predetermined, trying to apply it to real human behaviour is foolish as fiction is a flawed mind imagining a scenario they would like to tell. Not to mention that time and time again it seems the whole madness and infighting amongst groups in desperate scenarios is more fiction than fact. Of course people may act irrational or do bad things in desperation but as history shows the lineage of humanity is built upon cooperation, humans only thrived over other animals due to clever teamwork and banding together in societies. Even in the ancient past when people were less educated and had no effective language to communicate they cooperated, because it’s in our blood and we only stand a chance that way. Humans are endurance hunters and often only were able to hunt large game by chasing it down in large groups over long distance, without others humans aren’t able to effectively farm and build long term shelter and as we are quite weak to disease we need others to nurse each other to health. Long winded point aside everything about our genealogy and history point to the fact that humans are far more prone to order than people believe and many real life examples support that, nothing we built up to this point would be possible if humans were as selfish and uncooperative as people think, everything we have is built on the order and cooperation of the human collective.
The culture also plays a large part, indigenous cultures often are about being brought together doing things for the community, European cultures tbh are kinda the opposite
The problem with LotF isn't necessarily what's in the book, but how the book is used and taught to children as "You are useless on your own, this is how humanity really is and children can't handle any authority or power at all without becoming murderous barbarians. This is why you must not complain about the way the world is, as it's the only way the world can work." It's used to keep people from arguing with authority and questioning rules and wars. (at least it was when i was going to a few different schools in Florida. Most people I've talked to about it in the USA are taught the same regardless of what state they learned in. Not universal, but still common enough to be a problem. I think the loss of meaning over the years and recontextualization to minors by confused or malicious English teachers is why most of those that i see talking about LotF actually don't like it.)
"These boys were taken up for dead! Funerals have been held, And now you've found them!" Can you imagine witnessing your own funeral?! Or being able to be told what it was like?!
Sounds to me like the rescuer did very well by those boys. Rescued them twice in fact. Then hiring them as crew. So point in fact he didn't just take the money and run. How they are doing today would be an interesting follow up story.
The 6 boys and Peter were happy with their arrangement... Its not for anyone else to disect , criticise or claim unfairness . I wish people who have nothing to do with things would stop being "outraged" for the ones directly involved , when the ones directly involved are fine with the status quo.
This also shows how their unique culture helps them to survive this entire ordeal as well: they didn't compete, but cooperate; they didn't fire up hatred, but foster friendship, and most importantly they didn't lose hope, but kept fighting on. What culture, what people!
What an incredible story journey, to think that they survived 15 months on a uninhabited island with no casualties, that after all that they still managed to keep their minds together, and protected their savior from the people are extremely fascinating, really really love their story and Brew's telling of it 10/10
What a great story. I’m not a religious person, but those boys being able to lean on prayer and each-other, in a time of such extreme trial and stress, is a testament to the pros of being raised with God in your life.
@@tgbluewolf Hm, after reading through some of them I feel Id need to read through even more or listen to the podcast to know details for sure. While the mention of abuse wasnt mentioned upfront one did state they were "all pupils at a strict Catholic boarding school in Nuku‘alofa." So, while their intentions were definitely to escape to Fiji or even New Zealand ( lol, think your gonna need a bigger boat! ) and not just some local fishing, i wouldnt rule out abuse, even if the excerpts in the articles dont get into that aspect i bet it was no picnic!
Love how even back then they tried to be like " HE'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THESE PEOPLE OF COLOR LIKE ALL WHITE MEN DO! " and the kids just went " Will you please shut up? He literally saved our lives. He deserves this much, at least. We gave him the rights. That is enough. We didn't have our story stolen, we gave him express permission and enthusiastically went with it. "
Love the little illustration touches like the boys being, well, boys when they arrive, but when they were saved they were toughened young men with surely sturdy dispositions due to a year and change isolated in a semi-hostile environment, stubble, and probably close to prison-bods because they had very limited recreation which included weightlifting. They probably looked like someone who would join The Rock in movie about family.
was in boy scouts, had we stayed for more than a week someone wouldve been stabbed no doubt. there was fighting and starvation due to bad leadership and i had lost 10 pounds. also the scout troop was mormon
@@kkwun4969 Were you from the city? The 6 boys were from an island and already had survival skills under their belt. Being completely out of your element, from city life to only living in nature can be too stressful for most people.
This made me cry. I have no idea why. I just found myself fighting and then embracing tears. Of joy. Of hope. This is real happiness. Struggle with no end in sight. Perseverance under no idea of the end. And ultimately deliverance from the darkest hour. This is the human experience that we are in together at its purest form. Let me say, this English language that allows us to communicate is a gift that is named after the people that gave it to us to use. Even if they stole it and slapped their name on it somehow?, here am I. Still rocking like a hurricane. Let's go stare at the ocean and move on. However else we are meant to be will come through the understanding of self.
The Polynesian people of remote islands in the 1960s would have known how to read the stars and waves most likely. Many groups were able to navigate the vast oceans with far less than a sail boat. Amazing skills that those boarding schools the kids ran from, were designed to stamp out ironically.
Can't believe my distant relative's used the real life equalivalent of checking the Minecraft cords, surely I couldn't be able to remember star patterns like that, let alone go out to open sea's like they did
When comparing this to lord of the flies and being negative about the author you have to remember it was written aftermath of WW2 and the holocaust by a veteran, so I think it would be understandable for someone to have a negative view of humanity and cooperation after those events
It's crazy how they made their own camera to record themselves... The amount of intelligence and ingenuity they must have had to make that on a deserted island from scratch
Having the basic background /upbringing that taught them simple things like friction fire and cutting into trees to get water is what saved those boys. Pluck 6 kids from a different climate, with no understanding or familiarity with native foods, and they would have almost certainly died. They are also very lucky that their friend only broke his leg.
Hmmm the problem with the comparison between Lord of the Flies and this story doesn't make them good foils. Lord of the Flies kids are just barely teenage if they're teenaged at all, and there are a lot ore of them. It's like a whole class. This leads to a broader social web that has room for more political fighting. This story is about 6 teenagers who knew each other pretty well and had a lot more social education.
They were also friends who chose to be with each other. Lord of flies kids did not get a choice. If you had magical ways to recreate the scenario it would be insanely difficult for 6 randomly selected adults to survive this kind of situation.
@@coffeefps said magic not money okay mr.squidgames. The way your put into a scenario makes a world of difference. If your kidnapped and lost is a universe of difference to being paid to survive and lost compared to choosing to not ask for directions and getting lost. Magic being my keyword.
@@coffeefps there was done something close - look up video by wendigoon "the weird & dirty social experiment - the acali raft" it wasn't an island tho, just a raft with a few different people with wildly different backgrounds, and one researcher that was too stuck on his expectation of people eventually going on each other, but i think it's the closest thing that was ever done lol.
First, they gave him permission to tell their story. Second, Actually him rescuing them does in a way give him the rights to their story because he was involved. He rescued them, he became part of the story, which means he’s got the right to tell the story.
@@yeahrightok.3975 Considering the only reason there even IS a story is because he SAVED them, he has a right to a story that would have never been told if it wasn't for him saving them. 🙄
Honestly, I kinda wanna just go in the Forrest for a few days and see what it's like surviving alone and see what I can achieve. I would probably not have too much trouble starting a fire because I wear glasses, and I could use them to make a fire and really wanna know how well of a hut I could build.
Dude - saves lifes, then saves the people he saved from jail and gives them honest well paid work after which he makes money making a movie about them. People who never helped anybody in their entire lives - lOoK aT tHiS vIlLaIn PrOfItTeEr! How typical.
You seem to be forgetting that he is white and the boys weren't. This means he has exploited them for material gain as a white man benefitting from white supremacist systems of oppression that take advantage of non-white minorities.
I'd love to see the scratched rock. Seems like an amazing piece of anthropology. Also, this is pretty different to Lord of the Flies because in that book they don't actually have the knowledge of how to survive. It's clear that in this case, the knowledge that they could survive long term kept them alive, before things became too psychologically different. Just having knowledge and a little experience with survival in your native land will help massively when the psychological difficulties begin.
It’s more human to want to travel and explore than it is to be stuck in monotony. This concept has only been around since the agricultural revolution and expanded upon during our industrial revolution. The boys were simply doing what their ancestors had done for generations and their resourcefulness by surviving on the island for over a year speaks to this. They’re plenty intelligent. Far more than I can speak about most people who live in cities today (:
@@germwarfare There is a difference between being adventurous and doing suicidal things. I don't deny their wish to travel, but 99% of attempts like this one would end up in a pretty expected way, they were just incredibly lucky to get to that island. The least they could do - pretty simple math. How far do they need to travel, what distance they could make in a day, how they will navigate, and how much food and water do they need for one day? That still would be very risky but increased their chances dramatically. Humans are humans because they had the ability of forethought. And succeeded mostly because of it.
It all comes down to what the boys are okay with when it comes to their story. If they're fine with Peter marketing off it or warning against the horrors of facisim, who are we to say he's wrong to do so?
The animation for this alone was awesome enough for me to subscribe. I appreciate the detail in the story and the energy put in on this. Thank you for the content! :)
5:46, that reference! I watched that movie (It's called Cast Away) a few months back and it was pretty interesting to see Tom Hanks play as a FedEx employee who got stranded on an island. It was pretty emotional and did have a pretty strong life lesson to it.
This is like one of those thought experiments that always sound cool to hear anyone have a conversation about like would you survive a zombie apocalypse or could you survive on an island by yourself
Last August, I took a trip to North Carolina during what turned out to be the hottest week of the year. Decided to take a ferry to Shackleford Banks, an island with wild horses. It was absolutely beautiful, but there was no shade, no tall trees, just shrubs. Copious amounts of sunblock and still got the most painful sunburn of my life. That's when I decided if I could have one item while stranded on a desert island, it'd be a gun with one bullet.
a touching story. their ancestors survived there and they managed to do the same. Im curious as to who owns the island now. would be for a niche destination.
To be fair in the US the Lord of the Flies is not taught as a commentary on fascism, but as a commentary on human nature as a whole and that we are all inherently evil. And having read Lord of the Flies l, if you don’t know the book’s context, that is exactly how the book comes off. I even remember having conversations with classmates refuting the books thesis cause simply put human civilization wouldn’t exist at all if lord of the flies was true. I can see why other would look for examples to refute it.
Then you fundamentally human nature. Humans have been around for thousands of years, but we are still at war between countries, civil unrest is still rife, and we are still divided across many segments such as race or religion. The message from Lord of the flies still rings true today, and this story of 6 friends from the same island and culture, of the same race, ethnicity and ancestral heritage doesn't do anything to disprove the broader message of LOTF.
I knew I could count on Brew for a good video on this! I live in Aotearoa (New Zealand) and I'm sure this story is well known here. Nice to see all points covered :)
This reminds me of the story of the Rose Noel. A trimaran that was going from Australia to Tonga, and it got flipped over. It wasn’t going to sink but they had the space roughly equal to the size of a double bed for the 4 men on board to share. They were stuck on the boat for over 100 days.
"Hey, friends, remember when we were made to read 'Lord of the Flies' in school?" "Yeah?" "Let's not end up like that." "Agreed." "Let's try to revive Polynesian voyaging instead! With absolutely no knowledge of wayfinding!" "Yes! Fantastic idea!"
It's important to note that the boys would have gotten a much worse deal if they tried to sell the rights themselves. They'd almost certainly have been convicted as well without the upfront capital/settlement from Warner. An enthusiastic, sympathetic manager is a rarity.
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the souls of there ancestors want to go back home with there help. some times you find your self going back to the birth place of your ancestors without knowing why you what to be there, but its the souls of the past wanting go home
I miss "its raycon baby (oowee)
These youngsters have little loaf even by my comparison at that age, but you got to appreciate their willingness & want to explore;)
Makes me wish there was an unknown place to find then venture!
Such is life, the more you know the smaller & duller it all seems?
Being stranded with friends vs a bunch of strangers probably helps keep things from turning sour on an abandoned island as well regardless of the merits or faults of any culture.
They were classmates not strangers, but still true that friends vs people you went to school with is a better situation.
@@tigerlilith9786 he said "vs" read my friend, read.
Wow really? Friends instead of strangers is beneficial!?!
Anything else Captain Obvious?
@@hi-tych No way they said vs. Must be why i also said used vs. in my response. It must also be why i agreed with the statement. I just commented that the kids from lord of the flies were classmates not strangers. Read my friend. Read
@@tigerlilith9786 you are only making it worse, buddy. Either communicate better or accept you made a mistake, it's no big deal.
The most incredible part of their story is the finding of their ancestors knives, that was probably their biggest contributor to surviving on the island
Agreed a knife is an unbeliveable benefit to survival in an extream situation.
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@@avd3614 *extreme
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Their ancestors kept them alive that’s honestly beautiful
It's like Dr. stone
I'm pretty sure they are dead.
@@Psyrus88 I think he means the spirits of his ancestors
Some may say they "spiritually" kept them alive... but it can't be denied that they literally kept them alive. Those knives they found were critical tools for their survival, not to mention the domesticated chickens and other food that had been grown on the island.
@@catto8331 yeah, I think the commenter misunderstood
That captain and those boys are absolutely incredible. Who cares if he wanted to make it a movie he saved 6 lives. And for them to nurse their friend back to health instead of treating him like a nuisance shows inherently how kind hearted and full of integrity they truly were
He saved all their lives, without a proper boat they never would have gotten off the Island
The point was people trying to call the white man evil again even though he rescued them. Nothing new there.
@@Unknown_Genius Exactly I could see it being a problem if they felt exploited but that doesn't seem to have been the case
Tongans are generally very friendly and follow the teachings of the Bible closely, it's part of their culture. They are very family-oriented too and it really shows
To be fair he didn't go out of his way to save them. He just stumbled upon them and helped them, which is not heroic but just normal
I can't imagine how heartbreaking it was for them when one of the boys broke his leg, they must've thought of the worst outcomes that his injury might be severe and could be fatal because there's no real medical assistance there. Losing a friend on that condition and age will be very traumatic for them, I'm glad he survived that accident.
Yes, he was very lucky that there wasn't a wound because if his leg got infected then it would have been his death sentence.
I think it was because of their indigenous background they had a good understanding what to do
@@MimiMangetsu even without that a break can lead to clots forming that break lose and enter the heart. We don't normally think of broken limbs as potentially deadly in their own right but it does happen.
@@chinookh4713 Lol, indigenous magic was on there side!
@@IntelwinsbiglyTheir belief in the true and living God was on their side. Jesus watched over them and helped them.
Imagine getting scolded by your grandfather saying “i survived on an island with my friends for 15 months!”
Ughhh back in my dayyyy….
“Back in my day.. we had to survive on a single island with no electronics 😡 🩴”
Yeessss Grandpaaaaaa....
Yeah but Your ancestors left stuff behind that saved you? THATS WHAT I THOUGHT GRANDPA!
If only there is one girl on the ship.. oh boy they will don't mind stay on that's island forever
Lord of the Flies was written because the author didn't like the book, The Coral Island. He thought that boys would not get on and cooperate to survive. But as it is what humans have done since we came out of the trees, and probably even before that, I think any group would cooperate and try to survive.
Warfare and fighting is also equally as old though. I think to some degree it would depend on the group.
My pet rats share. It's beneficial to them instinctually.
In the two cases we know of, kids trying to survive like this, both went well. The book is the author's warped fantasy. Sad.
I think it depend on the resources available, the usefulness of the stranded and how many people stranded.
Small group, plenty of resources and strong able guys. They had everything going for them.
Well, we have to bear in mind that (I think) William Golding was also attacking British _high_ society. British high society does produce a bunch of bratty, selfish offspring that would tear each other apart from the first moment of crisis. Pacific Islander society, at the time especially, rewarded and punished a different set of traits; the kinds of traits rewarded in British upper class households are very different from the traits rewarded in Pacific Islander homes at the time.
A hundred years later, the vanished people of the island still kept their children safe there. ☺️ Such is the power of stone tools and legacy of a civilization. In the modern Amazon jungle for example, a lot of the food bearing plants are there because the ancient civilizations grew them in their gardens and fields.
It's a interesting to think about how such small acts could circle back into something for someone else countless years later
>a lot of the food bearing plants are there because the ancient civilizations grew them in their gardens and fields.
would they not have been there already, then cultivated? I could see selective breeding making them better and more edible verities though.
@@MrSolLeks if it didnt naturally grow on the island the plants would over take others, also if it was already there then it would have plants that look the same but are poisonous
If only there is one girl on the ship.. oh boy they will don't mind stay on that's island forever
@@sultan9givewey 🤨📸
what an inspiring story. Those 6 boys did a miracle, and that captain did something his family never dreamed he could have done - save 6 lives and impact the world with an amazing story. About the "exploit", the man did everything right. He saved the boys, paid off their debts, hired them, and got their permission to use sell their story.
Yeah I mean there's literally no downside to this so-called "exploitation". More like a mutual agreement that benefits both parties I'd say. These boys are now free from the island, free from the criminal charges, and they agreed to tell their story will go on to inspire many people.
Bro, that fisherman got some issues. Kids go missing for months and are marked for dead. They survive. Return home. And his first order of the day is to press charges and get them sent to jail.
Probably a reason everyone hated him.
Well the boat might be his livelihood and for a fisherman a boat is a mans heart
They call it Statism for a reason.
Put youself in the angle place. If would be stolen from unic way job, what have u had done?
it could have been his sole souce of income, selling the boat may have been his only way to retire. How would you feel if I stole your life savings and cost you your job?
The spinning he experienced when getting off the boat could have been due to dehydration, but this is actually a pretty common phenomenon if you spend enough time on a boat at sea. Depending on how rocky the waters (and your vessel) are, you may get your "sea legs," which help you to counterbalance yourself against the motion. However, when you step on land again, the land will always seem to rock and sway. Your brain is still accommodating to being on land, again, so it actually makes the still land feel disorienting for a moment. I experienced this a number of times on a sailing training vessel I vacationed on, when I was younger, though I was well fed and hydrated at all times. I could probably understand how being starved and dehydrated would just enhance the experience, though! Sorry, I know it is such a small detail, and I'm not trying to nitpick, I just thought it was interesting enough to mention!
Sounds similar to listening on YT at 2x speed a lenghty video of familar content and after that listening to other video at 1x aka normal speed. It gets a while to catch up with the normal speech.
Same as jumping on trampoline for a few hours, then trying to walk/jump on ground again.
….but Lieutenant Dan, you ain’t got no legs!
This was my take as well. The rocking became ‘normal’ equilibrium and the steady ground was odd.
There was an experiment around this same era where people wore a headset with mirrors that reversed his they saw the world. After a period of adjustment they were able to operate normally. When the headsets were removed they had the same problems they did when they first put them on, but were able to re-adapt soon. And that’s just the visual input - not even taking into account equilibrium and balance changes that happen in the inner ear.
So basically land sickness
It is so fortunate that those boys knew how to swim and that they ended up on that island at all, considering no navigation. And the island basically came pre-loaded for survival. So many lucky turns
Gods fate & grace. So much “lucky” events happening perfectly can’t be “coincidence”
@@MK-hw2ir that's fine if you believe that but pls don't push it on me
@@MK-hw2ir God was , by your logic, also responsible for the taking of the original people living there. If that community was still there, the boys would've had a much, much easier time 'surviving'. For anything 'good' your god does in a bad situation, you have to wonder, who made the situation bad in the first place......
That feels like a mob-boss 'helping' you with a problem that he created for you.
@@DreadX10 His most beloved creation He has ever created (The prophet), had the hardest life ever: his father died just before he was born, his mother died when he was 5, his grandmother (where he then lived) died a few years after that. When the message of Monotheism reached him, he had to preach it to the people, he did, he got beaten up, boycotted for 3 years (he couldn’t buy anything, he had to eat leaves from the trees), after that they chased after him with stones, which they threw at him, he ran until his feet were bleeding. After that EVERY single child that he had died in his lifetime except 1 (8 out of 9 kids died during his life, only 1 survived and she passed away 6months after the prophet died).
In conclusion, God testifies that the prophet is His most beloved creation and says he is the greatest man ever, yet he had to suffer like no other.
This short life is a test and The Lord tests those who he loves
@@MK-hw2ir That type of 'test' is known to most of the world as "abuse" ....
The boys literally said shut up we don’t mind him selling the story and that should be enough. Warner saved their lives, paid their bail, and hired them on a movie as well as got them a ton of publicity by connecting them to film producers and news outlets. The boys were clearly happy with the outcome so don’t see why anyone would consider it exploitation.
Because these people are desperate to play victim for people who were not victims. Playing victim is a lifestyle for many or playing the victim in the name of others virtue signaling.
It's the internet, even if you follow what people say to a t, they would still find something to be angry about
Because some people think making money is beneath them and they project that on to everyone else.
@@Borderose people making an edifice of greed
And he clearly had the boys' best interests at heart - if he hadn't have snagged the rights, some low-life would have, and they would be left with nothing.
Capt. Peter Warner continued to answer the call of the sea for decades after. She finally took him this past April when his ship capsized while crossing the Ballina Bar off NSW. He was 90 years.
Good to know, thanks!
While that sucks, at least he got to go doing what he loved. That's better than a hospital bed in many respects.
@@th3oryO dying doing what you love at 90 sounds good to me.
The man died doing what he loved. I couldn't ask for a better way to go
Legends way out
7:31 "They then fell asleep, and didn't wake up until the next morning." Brew, that is what we call "Sleep."
RUclipsrs don’t sleep much. 😂
They should have set-up watch shifts 4-6 hrs per shift.
Obviously no, the act of saving the boys does not give Warner the rights to their story.
The boys allowing him to have the rights to their story gives him the rights to their story. Why is this a debate?
Anyone could write a story you don't need permission. They allowed themselves to be filmed and gave those rights away. I agree with your conclusion tho
Also, this happened a long time ago, so we know how the story ends and it seems like they have stayed on good terms.
I assume that people have issues because of the events surrounding the allowing him to have the rights thing, but from the quote from one of the boys it seems more or less fine
Exactly!
because there are always people who had NOTHING to do with the entire event but still feel the urge and entitlement to elbow their way to the spotlight and yell "I am the victim! I have nothing to do with it. I don't even know these people. But MY feelings are hurt. Now bend backwards to unhurt them."
This is like the opposite of how the kids acted in Lord of the Flies.
Yeah that's because it was more of a statement piece than it was truthful. A small group if kids wouldn't devolve into animals, they'd work together to survive. It's what humanity has been doing since the beginning of existence. Cooperation is the only reason we survived to begin with lol
@@GlorifiedGremlin it's more like the thing that has separated us from all over forms of life
@@grognakthedestroyerattorne3211 *looks at animals who live in groups and get along better than humans*
Because humans are so smart
@@velvetdarksoul8741 Can you name an animal that lives in groups that you can compare interactions with per capita to humans? I'll standby for your answer so I can absolutely demolish this perfect animal kingdom you've built up in your head.
Also, they weren't white
Bro that teenagers had more maturity than a lot of guys I met... they knew how to communicate and solve problems without majors fights! That's impressive
oh yes. they even managed to lean on each other for psychological support.
Sooo... they wanted to escape the strictures of modernity being cast over the island on which they were born, and the sea broke their ship, to carry them to their ancestral home... genius loci much? What a powerful story!
Edit: if the men say its fine, then its fine. I love everything about this story, thanks for sharing
they got a volcano now. tonga can't catch a break lately.
Not to mention them seeking adventure and freedom...Got them more than they bargained for by restricting them to an uninhabited island. There's a lot of irony in how they got there and how they were rescued.
If only there is one girl on the ship.. oh boy they will don't mind stay on that's island forever
@@sultan9givewey ... you're quite the vile person in real life aren't you?
They got their wish but at what cost
What a cool story. It's so much better that it was their ancestors island. What are the odds?
a hundred years later, and the boys were saved by the things left over by their ancestors
nearly feels as though they were watched over, but who knows
this story is oddly heartwarming
I would say the odds are pretty good since those islands have literally only been occupied by Tongans for 2000 years.
Considering the surroundings and the Tongan Ancestry, the odds were 100%. They were, at some point, on all of the islands within a 1000km radius, so it's either land touched by their ancestors or a watery grave
good point
still, it's amazing to think of them weilding the tools left behind by their ancestors
as others pointed out, not that low at all. Ocean currents exist and is how humans have traversed the seas from very early times, as Thor Heyerdahl proved
I’m glad this story didn’t have the same end as Lord of the Flies
Bro they create a wild fire bro
@@kittinanpara2223most people do in survival situations. Not the sharpest are ya kid?
I think Warner did right to the best of his knowledge. Sharing a true story that one was a part of is not exploitation. He helped the young men multiple times and then hired them...he may not have been one of the castaways, but he was a big part of their story...perhaps the only reason their story was ever to be told at all.
Well he was the one that saved them so in a way he is part of that story
He also helped them pay off that charge for stealing a boat
If it was a book he came in at the last 5 pages
... and he invited them to see the world, giving them a job on his boat.
We don't know how much money he made from selling the rights, how much he had to work as their "agent", nor if he gave the boys part of the money apart from the price for the boat. So none of us can say if it was exploitation or not.
If only there is one girl on the ship.. oh boy they will don't mind stay on that's island forever
These boys really were protected by the spirit of their ancestors. I couldn't think of any other way to put it. Of all the places in all the world to be stranded on an island with such a historic significance that left behind the foundations for them to thrive.
indeed
something about them finding the knives, and using them jsut as their ancestors who made them once did, it feels
complete? idk how to put it
it fits together in a beautiful way, much like the ancestors were living one last time through the boys, keeping them alive and protecting them
it's truly wonderful, and in a way spiritually complete
It's amazing how much God loves us :) I mean what are the odds they would have survived
@@SunKissedPeach God had nothing to do with it. This was purely of their own merits. Humans are very adaptable creatures, and these boys showed exactly what we're capable of.
@@SimonNZ6969 imagine working incredibly hard for the survival of you and your friends just so one mf says "god did it"
@@mechamedeisa9622 ikrr, ik they mean well by it and its just what some people believe in but like we should congratulate our hard work as ours and not anyone elses
I just finished reading Lord of the Flies two weeks ago, then this video appeared on my recommended just now. Honestly, I am very disappointed that nobody talks about these people and their cool story of survival. Their tale should not be forgotten
everything will be forgotten
i still have that book. it's so depressing for me, i never read it more than once. the video says there's a published version of THIS hopeful story, and i want to read it as an antidote.
You know what hard take, rescue man did nothing wrong. Yeah he used castaway children to make a lot of money, but on the other hand the boys were going to be prisoners or in debt to the boat guy. This was the best outcome for everybody.
Plus it's not like there was any animosity, at least in the articles listed in the description. They joined his crew and remained lifelong friends with him, according to the articles.
The boys gave him the rights to use their story, they also joined his crew. Idk what is the problem here. The guy did nothing wrong.
As a poc myself, I find it painfully ironic that the people decrying "colonialism" in situations like this one are themselves usually white people speaking over the voices of the indigenous people. It's like they believe they know better than the indigenous people themselves what they need/want. "I don't care if you consented to this and properly understood what you agreed to. Us college educated people who had nothing to do with your situation until now need to protect you from yourself."
@@blazertundra You've figured out what the term White Knight means. Pretending to be the Heroic Non-Racist...Only for them to actually be Racist with a Supremacist mentality.
I'm a White person...Which doesn't matter at all because anyone at all should be incredibly annoyed by White Knights and condemn them for the Hypocritical Racists they're.
Because it's 100% supremacist mentality to make decisions for others because you think you're smarter. Then it's always racial because it's always Self-Hating Whites despising their own race while telling other races what to think and feel...What to be offended by. Like people can't make up their own minds? Like the policy shouldn't be I don't know just accepting what people say by allowing them to speak for themselves while also realizing that different people and cultures all have different yet nonetheless valid opinions and perspectives?!
@@blazertundra nah, you're just bigoted. College doesn't have a course in common sense. Especially when you paid all that money just to defend said bigotry. Thanks for making us richer. lol
That's awesome that they already had some very important basic skills of living off the land. That most certainly kept them alive and this is the stuff that should be taught in schools. Not just In case of getting stranded somewhere but it can help people survive and thrive if they ever become homeless or are just poor. It also probably helped they were stranded somewhere In a climate that was mostly identical to the one they grew up in. Either way that's still amazing. Good for them.
As for the guy who sold their story. If the boys are ok with it then there's nothing else to say.
The reason those skills wouldn't be taught in schools is because being homeless is a death sentence by most governments. Within the United States of America 53% of cities make it illegal to not have a home. The act of existing within those cities is criminalized due to something they lack. Within the USA the government does not ensure there is affordable housing so if a rich person wants to purchase all the houses in an area and then drive the prices of those houses up, there is nothing preventing it. The housing prices go up and the houses are left uninhabited. This is the state Los Angeles is in right now. With a homeless population over 40,000 the city cannot tell them to just buy a house since in comparison to the rest of the nation the houses are vastly more expensive. The houses aren't better but the point is location. Any attempt to assist homeless people within the USA is usually met with a governing body putting an end to it. Even attempts within laws have been made but then brought into appeals and overturned. I speak for the USA as it is the country I have personally been homeless in but this is an international problem. In Hungary, being homeless is criminalized within their national constitution. Nations that function through capitalism style economics don't want homeless people to survive. The existence of them bring no benefit to the highest class of people but they are seen as an eye sore so they are exterminated. A few years back I watched on the news in Chicago as the city's police force entered a homeless camp the day after a charity event happened to prepare them for the harsh winter. With all their supplies now within that camp, the police entered and seized it all. On the spot the city burned all the donations and the few things these people already had. The amount of homeless deaths that winter was not a statistic I saw and I was pretty invested. If they don't want the impact seen, it won't be.
No because the contract is lopsided
@@johnnyperry1471 wow
Arguably, school is basically about teaching the basic skills of living in modern society.
Most people don't live off the land anymore if you live in even moderately sized towns/cities. So survival skills to scavenge the land isn't going to be really useful for most people.
Even if you are a farmer that harvests the land, skills for individual survival still isn't going to be useful, as you will have to build farms that are in a much larger scale than to feed yourself to be economically viable and that means a lot of mechanisation, specialisation, and reliance on other parts of society, many of these techniques may not scale down to individual survival skills very well.
The problem? I don't think that school necessarily are teaching the skills for living in modern society very well either. Modern schooling system are designed around the early age of industrialization. We've moved past that period but the schooling system hadn't really adapted.
@@txe1nd awaken child
Honestly I remember seeing this on a Reddit video, and somebody unironically said something along the lines of”of course this shows how LAZY and USELESS this generation is why waste time on this rather than building a boat to escape they were so foolish” also fun fury building a boat is the worst thing to do when stranded on an island because it most likely will not survive the trip back home.
also uh.. they did try to build rafts and that didn't work out for them so they resigned to their fates and made the best of it
This is one of the best stories, Brew has ever told. I have always suspected there were better tales of humans forced to survive outside of a comfortable society.
This is the most wholesome survival story I've heard. Most survival stories I encountered have them eating their dead companions in order to live, or having to cut their own limbs after being crushed by something.
definitely.
snow and the cold would be harder to survive i would think
@@hoosthere True
This is actually fairly typical as far as survival stories go. Blueprint by Nicholas Christakis gives many examples of this. You just hear about the dark ones because "things basically work out well." Is not that interesting.
@@myself2noone You got a point there
When it came to the part where the whole island celebrated their survival I actually teared up a little. I love stories like this.
2 minutes in Brew said "diabolical lick" get this man off twitter
The difference between this and lord of the flies is deeper than just a superficial blaming of ‘colonialism’.
1) The boys in lord of the flies were younger. These boys were late treens where lord of the flies were early teen at oldest and many preteen. The difference in maturity during this short period is huge.
2) it was a larger group, with much looser initial bonds.
3) it’s fiction. The author was exploring what ‘could’ happen as a reflection of how he saw the world, as opposed to a true tale of what can actually happen.
Number 3 is really the only relevant point. Fiction is fiction, doesn’t really matter what justification you put on a story, it is imagined, every scenario where things go wrong and madness sets in was predetermined, trying to apply it to real human behaviour is foolish as fiction is a flawed mind imagining a scenario they would like to tell.
Not to mention that time and time again it seems the whole madness and infighting amongst groups in desperate scenarios is more fiction than fact. Of course people may act irrational or do bad things in desperation but as history shows the lineage of humanity is built upon cooperation, humans only thrived over other animals due to clever teamwork and banding together in societies.
Even in the ancient past when people were less educated and had no effective language to communicate they cooperated, because it’s in our blood and we only stand a chance that way. Humans are endurance hunters and often only were able to hunt large game by chasing it down in large groups over long distance, without others humans aren’t able to effectively farm and build long term shelter and as we are quite weak to disease we need others to nurse each other to health.
Long winded point aside everything about our genealogy and history point to the fact that humans are far more prone to order than people believe and many real life examples support that, nothing we built up to this point would be possible if humans were as selfish and uncooperative as people think, everything we have is built on the order and cooperation of the human collective.
Also the boys in LOTF are in some kind of MIlitary Academy/ Cadets which would greatly affect the culture of the castaway community
The culture also plays a large part, indigenous cultures often are about being brought together doing things for the community, European cultures tbh are kinda the opposite
The problem with LotF isn't necessarily what's in the book, but how the book is used and taught to children as "You are useless on your own, this is how humanity really is and children can't handle any authority or power at all without becoming murderous barbarians. This is why you must not complain about the way the world is, as it's the only way the world can work."
It's used to keep people from arguing with authority and questioning rules and wars. (at least it was when i was going to a few different schools in Florida. Most people I've talked to about it in the USA are taught the same regardless of what state they learned in. Not universal, but still common enough to be a problem. I think the loss of meaning over the years and recontextualization to minors by confused or malicious English teachers is why most of those that i see talking about LotF actually don't like it.)
@@rayke0344 No they weren`t. They were just schoolboys, aged 6 to 12. There was a group of choirboys among them.
"These boys were taken up for dead! Funerals have been held, And now you've found them!"
Can you imagine witnessing your own funeral?! Or being able to be told what it was like?!
I'm pretty sure that's the tales told in heaven and he'll but okay
Sounds to me like the rescuer did very well by those boys. Rescued them twice in fact. Then hiring them as crew. So point in fact he didn't just take the money and run. How they are doing today would be an interesting follow up story.
The 6 boys and Peter were happy with their arrangement... Its not for anyone else to disect , criticise or claim unfairness . I wish people who have nothing to do with things would stop being "outraged" for the ones directly involved , when the ones directly involved are fine with the status quo.
“They then fell asleep, and woke up, the next morning” 🤯🤯🤯
This also shows how their unique culture helps them to survive this entire ordeal as well: they didn't compete, but cooperate; they didn't fire up hatred, but foster friendship, and most importantly they didn't lose hope, but kept fighting on. What culture, what people!
I wouldn't say cooperation is unique more like the culture of western society has brainwashed you to think that . 🤔
Nothing unique about rock knives and coconuts
@@meshuggahlad7 And that's why you would have died.
You didn't mention the most important part. They prayed, and they prayed together.
@@meshuggahlad7 ah yes as if modern times used rock knives and raw coconuts
What an incredible story journey, to think that they survived 15 months on a uninhabited island with no casualties, that after all that they still managed to keep their minds together, and protected their savior from the people are extremely fascinating, really really love their story and Brew's telling of it 10/10
What a great story. I’m not a religious person, but those boys being able to lean on prayer and each-other, in a time of such extreme trial and stress, is a testament to the pros of being raised with God in your life.
I have only believed in God 7 years ago and trust no one more with my life than him
One thing you left out is that the boys originally left because they were being abused on the island by the school they ran away from
Ah... I figured there had to be something more significant to drive them to leave then they hated school or something.
Source? None of the articles listed in the description mentioned abuse, only that they'd intended to go on a fishing trip and got caught in a storm.
@@foxsicle Read the articles listed in the description. No abuse, no intent to leave long-term, only an ill-fated fishing trip.
@@tgbluewolf Hm, after reading through some of them I feel Id need to read through even more or listen to the podcast to know details for sure. While the mention of abuse wasnt mentioned upfront one did state they were "all pupils at a strict Catholic boarding school in Nuku‘alofa." So, while their intentions were definitely to escape to Fiji or even New Zealand ( lol, think your gonna need a bigger boat! ) and not just some local fishing, i wouldnt rule out abuse, even if the excerpts in the articles dont get into that aspect i bet it was no picnic!
@@foxsicle you should you dunce, they left becuase the school was strict, not because of abuse.
Love how even back then they tried to be like " HE'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THESE PEOPLE OF COLOR LIKE ALL WHITE MEN DO! " and the kids just went " Will you please shut up? He literally saved our lives. He deserves this much, at least. We gave him the rights. That is enough. We didn't have our story stolen, we gave him express permission and enthusiastically went with it. "
Not too surprising. Cultural Marxism has been festering for 150 years.
Who is "they"? I've never heard someone say something like that other than people who accuse others of saying things like that.
@@katakana1 yeah I don't use twitter either.
I mean he also gave them jobs and paid to get them out of jail which is pretty considerate it you ask me
@@9lightning678 even if it was out of self interest, i wouldn't care at all.
1:57 nah bro “the most diabolical lick” 💀
Love the little illustration touches like the boys being, well, boys when they arrive, but when they were saved they were toughened young men with surely sturdy dispositions due to a year and change isolated in a semi-hostile environment, stubble, and probably close to prison-bods because they had very limited recreation which included weightlifting. They probably looked like someone who would join The Rock in movie about family.
Tbh, this is absolutely amazing.
I feel like if my class got stranded, it would play out **exactly** like the lord of the flies
if my highschool class got stranded it might also play like the lord of the flies, same for college and school...
'Might'
was in boy scouts, had we stayed for more than a week someone wouldve been stabbed no doubt. there was fighting and starvation due to bad leadership and i had lost 10 pounds. also the scout troop was mormon
@@kkwun4969 Were you from the city? The 6 boys were from an island and already had survival skills under their belt. Being completely out of your element, from city life to only living in nature can be too stressful for most people.
This made me cry. I have no idea why. I just found myself fighting and then embracing tears. Of joy. Of hope. This is real happiness. Struggle with no end in sight. Perseverance under no idea of the end. And ultimately deliverance from the darkest hour. This is the human experience that we are in together at its purest form.
Let me say, this English language that allows us to communicate is a gift that is named after the people that gave it to us to use. Even if they stole it and slapped their name on it somehow?, here am I. Still rocking like a hurricane. Let's go stare at the ocean and move on. However else we are meant to be will come through the understanding of self.
The Polynesian people of remote islands in the 1960s would have known how to read the stars and waves most likely. Many groups were able to navigate the vast oceans with far less than a sail boat. Amazing skills that those boarding schools the kids ran from, were designed to stamp out ironically.
Can't believe my distant relative's used the real life equalivalent of checking the Minecraft cords, surely I couldn't be able to remember star patterns like that, let alone go out to open sea's like they did
Stick maps, navigation by current changes, wind direction, birds etc
If only there is one girl on the ship.. oh boy they will don't mind stay on that's island forever
When comparing this to lord of the flies and being negative about the author you have to remember it was written aftermath of WW2 and the holocaust by a veteran, so I think it would be understandable for someone to have a negative view of humanity and cooperation after those events
The way the boys scapegoat “piggy” was a comparison to hitlers scapegoating of Jewish people
It's crazy how they made their own camera to record themselves... The amount of intelligence and ingenuity they must have had to make that on a deserted island from scratch
Finish the video before talking nonsense.
@@minnielaysol7558 i was joking... calm down
@@minnielaysol7558yeah what a nonsense. It's obvious that they didn't make a camera, it was their ancestors who made it from scratch.
😂😂
Off course first thing they made was camera, because they knew cameraman never dies
Having the basic background /upbringing that taught them simple things like friction fire and cutting into trees to get water is what saved those boys. Pluck 6 kids from a different climate, with no understanding or familiarity with native foods, and they would have almost certainly died. They are also very lucky that their friend only broke his leg.
Hmmm the problem with the comparison between Lord of the Flies and this story doesn't make them good foils.
Lord of the Flies kids are just barely teenage if they're teenaged at all, and there are a lot ore of them. It's like a whole class. This leads to a broader social web that has room for more political fighting.
This story is about 6 teenagers who knew each other pretty well and had a lot more social education.
They were also friends who chose to be with each other. Lord of flies kids did not get a choice. If you had magical ways to recreate the scenario it would be insanely difficult for 6 randomly selected adults to survive this kind of situation.
Lord of the Flies was also written to be a political analogy in context of the events of the 20th Century similar to Animal Farm or 1984
@@CosmicDarkLord you're giving some rich dude a bad idea for a social experiment.
@@coffeefps said magic not money okay mr.squidgames. The way your put into a scenario makes a world of difference. If your kidnapped and lost is a universe of difference to being paid to survive and lost compared to choosing to not ask for directions and getting lost. Magic being my keyword.
@@coffeefps there was done something close - look up video by wendigoon "the weird & dirty social experiment - the acali raft"
it wasn't an island tho, just a raft with a few different people with wildly different backgrounds, and one researcher that was too stuck on his expectation of people eventually going on each other, but i think it's the closest thing that was ever done lol.
The odds of a few teens being shipwrecked on an island their own ancestors had originated from is wild
Chances are higher when you're a Pacific Islander 😋
The irony of an Australian assuming that someone is from a prison colony!
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This isn't the Lord of the flies . This is the island bois
hehe
This is King of the Bugs
Bro this would make an amazing uplifting movie! You have the boys on the island and the Australian dude doing his stuff simultaneously.
it is a movie it is said in the video there was footage of it in the video too
First, they gave him permission to tell their story. Second, Actually him rescuing them does in a way give him the rights to their story because he was involved. He rescued them, he became part of the story, which means he’s got the right to tell the story.
He's got the right to his storey of the rescue, not of the boys storey of the 15 months.
you dont have to get permission
@@yeahrightok.3975 Considering the only reason there even IS a story is because he SAVED them, he has a right to a story that would have never been told if it wasn't for him saving them. 🙄
@@yeahrightok.3975 yes, you are right.
If only there is one girl on the ship.. oh boy they will don't mind stay on that's island forever
These boys were incredible! :D They did everything right to survive well on the island!
14:02 Whats easiest?
😏”Accounting” literally harder than the BAR exam
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6 players Minecraft SMP stuck in a deserted island with Adventure Mode.
Joke aside, glade to hear they survived and got rescued.
Well the timing was impeccable
I came to say this.
Why?
why
@@ItsOver9000Productions Tonga volcano eruption a few days ago
Honestly, I kinda wanna just go in the Forrest for a few days and see what it's like surviving alone and see what I can achieve. I would probably not have too much trouble starting a fire because I wear glasses, and I could use them to make a fire and really wanna know how well of a hut I could build.
Do it. It will bring you a profound joy
@@madzzz2001 I can't really just disappear.
This is honestly such an impressive and entertaining channel. Almost 1.5 mil subscribers and it still deserves so much more imo
Dude - saves lifes, then saves the people he saved from jail and gives them honest well paid work after which he makes money making a movie about them.
People who never helped anybody in their entire lives - lOoK aT tHiS vIlLaIn PrOfItTeEr!
How typical.
Now THIS is a useful critique .
You seem to be forgetting that he is white and the boys weren't. This means he has exploited them for material gain as a white man benefitting from white supremacist systems of oppression that take advantage of non-white minorities.
I'd love to see the scratched rock. Seems like an amazing piece of anthropology.
Also, this is pretty different to Lord of the Flies because in that book they don't actually have the knowledge of how to survive. It's clear that in this case, the knowledge that they could survive long term kept them alive, before things became too psychologically different. Just having knowledge and a little experience with survival in your native land will help massively when the psychological difficulties begin.
That amount of their stupidity and resolve at the same time really fascinates me
I'd say their resourcefulness points to a great deal of intelligence, no?
@@tristanband4003 and they're survival skills and teamwork
It’s more human to want to travel and explore than it is to be stuck in monotony. This concept has only been around since the agricultural revolution and expanded upon during our industrial revolution. The boys were simply doing what their ancestors had done for generations and their resourcefulness by surviving on the island for over a year speaks to this. They’re plenty intelligent. Far more than I can speak about most people who live in cities today (:
more like lack of forethought
@@germwarfare There is a difference between being adventurous and doing suicidal things. I don't deny their wish to travel, but 99% of attempts like this one would end up in a pretty expected way, they were just incredibly lucky to get to that island. The least they could do - pretty simple math. How far do they need to travel, what distance they could make in a day, how they will navigate, and how much food and water do they need for one day? That still would be very risky but increased their chances dramatically.
Humans are humans because they had the ability of forethought. And succeeded mostly because of it.
This is one of my favorite videos from you so far
Yoo
Same
13:02 Clothing is essential for protecting yourself and keeping you warm, you shouldn’t go around like this
Congrats! You just roasted your earliest ancestors!
This island is now a registered PVP location!
Combat Zone
They must have felt so blessed after finding what their ancestors leaved behind, this is kind of a wholesome story
Everyone else: wondering how these kids were lucky enough to survive on the island
Me: *wonders how brew is still alive drinking coffee 24/7*
He has power of god himself
It all comes down to what the boys are okay with when it comes to their story. If they're fine with Peter marketing off it or warning against the horrors of facisim, who are we to say he's wrong to do so?
I hope their descendants are safe right now... That lonely part of the Pacific is a bit rough right now.
The animation for this alone was awesome enough for me to subscribe. I appreciate the detail in the story and the energy put in on this. Thank you for the content! :)
Thank you for subscribing
They're like really good Rimworld players - no one died, and no one had to commit cannibalism.
And no mental breaks, even though they ate without a table
Never heard of this one before, nice content
8:00 coconut water , papaya and sashimi - sounds like a great restaurant.
These kids have more intelligence and common sense than 99% of our world leaders.
Franklin has left you all alone🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They decided to sail 750km on a sailboat without a map or compass.
Honestly, one of the best videos I've seen in a long time. Inspiring story of perseverance and friendship. Amazing.
I've never read Lord of the flies, but this story reminded me of Jules Verne's Two years' vacation. Good book!
15:42 is the best anime introduction ever
5:46, that reference! I watched that movie (It's called Cast Away) a few months back and it was pretty interesting to see Tom Hanks play as a FedEx employee who got stranded on an island. It was pretty emotional and did have a pretty strong life lesson to it.
You must be young to not have watched the movie earlier. I remember watching it when I was a kid
@@TheyCallMeDio you’re indeed correct, just a simple 18 year old occasionally watching old movies that my family puts on.
This is like one of those thought experiments that always sound cool to hear anyone have a conversation about like would you survive a zombie apocalypse or could you survive on an island by yourself
Last August, I took a trip to North Carolina during what turned out to be the hottest week of the year. Decided to take a ferry to Shackleford Banks, an island with wild horses. It was absolutely beautiful, but there was no shade, no tall trees, just shrubs. Copious amounts of sunblock and still got the most painful sunburn of my life. That's when I decided if I could have one item while stranded on a desert island, it'd be a gun with one bullet.
Make it 2 in case you miss
Shackleford is a great place.
After the first sunburn, you're good for the season though. Source - spend an entire summer without sleeping inside
Funfact: true wild horses went extinct in North America at the end of the ice age
@@joeduckburyofjoeducania4587 They're Spanish descended.
Nice. Reminds me of child fantasy survival stories, except they actually did get that lucky.
I think the boys were grateful just to be rescued. All that maters is that the boys met their families and are happy.
a touching story. their ancestors survived there and they managed to do the same. Im curious as to who owns the island now. would be for a niche
destination.
It's part of Tonga still.
Wow such interesting heritage and story. Let's use it for tourism.
To be fair in the US the Lord of the Flies is not taught as a commentary on fascism, but as a commentary on human nature as a whole and that we are all inherently evil. And having read Lord of the Flies l, if you don’t know the book’s context, that is exactly how the book comes off. I even remember having conversations with classmates refuting the books thesis cause simply put human civilization wouldn’t exist at all if lord of the flies was true. I can see why other would look for examples to refute it.
We ARE all inherently evil. Not necessarily Putin evil but left to our own devices we will do the wrong thing.
Then you fundamentally human nature. Humans have been around for thousands of years, but we are still at war between countries, civil unrest is still rife, and we are still divided across many segments such as race or religion. The message from Lord of the flies still rings true today, and this story of 6 friends from the same island and culture, of the same race, ethnicity and ancestral heritage doesn't do anything to disprove the broader message of LOTF.
It's taught as a commentary on fascism in other places?
British human nature.
Indigenous kids
That’s amazing how they were able to survive for 15 months
I knew I could count on Brew for a good video on this!
I live in Aotearoa (New Zealand) and I'm sure this story is well known here. Nice to see all points covered :)
peter saving them doesn't give him the rights to make a film
the boys literally telling him "yeah its cool" is what gave him the right
Had us in the first half there.
He saved them twice, from a life of prison and from a life of the deserted island
Don't worry brew, unknown water creatures are my worst fear too. I have a fear of water, height and maybe sea creatures.
This reminds me of the story of the Rose Noel. A trimaran that was going from Australia to Tonga, and it got flipped over. It wasn’t going to sink but they had the space roughly equal to the size of a double bed for the 4 men on board to share. They were stuck on the boat for over 100 days.
There should be care packages on every uninhabited island of tools. The tools they got from prior people on the island really saved them
no one will ever have a friendship as strong as them
"Hey, friends, remember when we were made to read 'Lord of the Flies' in school?"
"Yeah?"
"Let's not end up like that."
"Agreed."
"Let's try to revive Polynesian voyaging instead! With absolutely no knowledge of wayfinding!"
"Yes! Fantastic idea!"
It's important to note that the boys would have gotten a much worse deal if they tried to sell the rights themselves. They'd almost certainly have been convicted as well without the upfront capital/settlement from Warner. An enthusiastic, sympathetic manager is a rarity.
I never heard this amazing story before, so thanks, and also really digging the overall style of your vids man.
Oh, yeah! I remember reading this book in highschool.
I think it’s cool that we actually get to see what the boys looked like since they starred in the movie.
Nord of the flies
I’ll see myself out