In Defense Of... Red Right 88
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2020
- During a 1980-81 NFL playoff game between the Oakland Raiders and the Cleveland Browns, Brian Sipe threw an interception down by two points in an infamous play now known as Red Right 88. While head coach Sam Rutigliano's decision received tons of criticism, in actuality, it wasn't that bad, and makes more sense when considering the circumstances around the game. This is an analysis, a breakdown, and a defense of Red Right 88.
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I remember this game like it was yesterday.
Sipe was a hell of a QB.
I remember this game like it was yesterday. First of all - it was my 18th birthday. Secondly I was driving from Iowa back to college in Kansas and listened to Hank Stram on the radio. I'll never for get the call. "Sipe throws into the endzone and ah its its intercepted by Mike Davis. Intercepted. (and then answering the question every Raider fan has after a good play) No flags on the play!"
I about drove the car off the road I was celebrating so much. What a magical season for the Raiders.
Love your analysis of this infamous play. To your point it wasn't a bad play call, more like an ill-advised throw by Sipe. At the time I was too elated that the Raiders won to care about how this play came about. Further proof that the difference between victory and defeat is often more complex than just one play. Great video, thanks for posting.
True. I don’t know that they did it as much back them but a trail shoulder throw might have been better since Davis looked to have the coverage pretty much all the way after the cut.
Lol
I was in Cleveland during the fall of 1974 doing my student teaching, when the big Browns thing was the QB controversy between Mike Phipps and Brian Sipe. Fun times.
Hands down the happiest I've ever been watching sports was when Mike Davis intercepted that pass. From the absolute depths of dejection to the height of euphoria in a split second. Just thinking about it almost brings tears to my eyes.
I hear ya... I was in Air Force Tech School in Biloxi..... we would win again the next week and I was able to go to the Super Bowl on a package the Base had... back when packages and tickets were reasonable... Transportaion AND ticket and a night in a hotel for 500.... what the hell i had nothing else to spend my money on!!
Mike Davis just passed - RIP!
@@waldenspondmedia1105 I saw! Jack Squirek and I are FB Friends and he wrote a nice tribute to him.
@@RonLPitts Jack Squirek - one the heroes of Super Bowl 18!
@@waldenspondmedia1105 Oh, my God! I can't believe it. How sad.
You make a lot of good points, but you should mention that Sipe was 13-for-39 with two picks and a lost fumble before that play. He wasn't on his A game that day either. Good stuff, though, especially about Cockroft. Your points about him are well-taken. Why Cleveland didn't go out and get a younger kicker before that season, considering the kind of team it had, is hard to fathom.
You should also mention approx 8-9 'inclompletions' were right in the hands of Sipe's targets, but were dropped. Big difference due to weather conditions. And 85 yards to go with 2:22 left and he leads them down there? One bad play call and toss ended it.
The kicker comment makes sense
Neither comment made any sense whatsoever... all one has to do is listen to John Brodie in the last minute ("most inclement conditions I've ever seen").
Plunkett's numbers were hideous as well, so what does that prove?
The pass call was absolutely fine, and if Davis hadn't made a play he never duplicated in his entire career, the Browns very likely would've won in SD and went to SB XV.
Don Cockcroft was one of the most accomplished kickers of all time when he retired. Anyone can make a 30 yard FG except when theres 40 mph swirling winds. Maybe they kept Cockcroft one year too long but no one makes it in those difficult conditions
Great video as always-- I didn’t understand the dynamics of that play, had Sipe hit Dave Logan it would’ve been a TD- 1980 was a crazy year of what ifs- The Cinderella Bills lost to the lowly Colts twice so instead of home field advantage, they had to go to San Diego where they lost in the closing minute. We know Cleveland’s scenario, Atlanta blew leads of 24-10 and 27-17 to Dallas. Steve Bartkowski had a MVP worthy season in 1980. It was Atlanta’s most devastating playoff loss until the Pats SB meltdown. The Chargers got off to a very slow start vs Oakland trailing 28-7. SD led the league with 60 sacks so they had a complete team before trading away Fred Dean in 1981 and the defense collapsed. SD came to within 28-24 and lost 34-27 in the most bitterly disappointing playoff game in Charger history until 2006 with the dropped INT game vs the Patriots. Disappointment finally came to the Eagles, 3 Jaworski INTs , a tying TD called back, a wide open receiver missed that would have tightened the score to 14-10 at the half. Five years of progress was turned back for the Eagles in 60 minutes of football. Dick Vermeil would quit within 2 years of that SB loss, it was a bitter experience. 1980 was great because it was such a wide open year. You could make the argument for the Browns, Eagles, Raiders, Chargers, Bills, Eagles, Cowboys, Falcons, and Rams. There’s never been a year in NFL history quite like 1980. There were a bunch of first time division winners and surprises that year. In 1981, the Browns beat the 49ers and Bengals, the two SB teams but finished 5-11. Sipe may not be a HOFer but he was very good, very accurate as would be his successor Bernie Kosar who would have his own what ifs and playoff heartache in the 80s
To add onto your point about 1980, all 5 playoff teams in the AFC finished 11-5. The Patriots had a shot at the #1 seed going into the final week, and even though they won their game, they missed the playoffs. It was a wild year that I don’t think we’re ever gonna see again
The worst playoff loss in Charger history came during the 79 season when they lost in SD to an Oiler team without starting QB Pastorini and the greatest all-time Oiler Earl Campbell. Fouts threw 5 interceptions, 4 to Vernon Perry losing the game 17-14. If SD had beaten Houston, they would have played Pittsburgh at home the next week. They trounced the defending world champs in SD earlier in the year 35-7. If they gone ahead and ended the Steelers reign, they would have been matched-up against the 9-7 Rams in a Southern California Super Bowl in Pasadena
GREAT comment Russell!
The Vikings won the central that year but were 9-7 and were immediately bounced out by the Eagles. No (good argument) case to be made that year. You mentioned every NFC team that made the playoffs except the Vikings but I understand why.
Without question 1980 was the most fun I ever had as a football fan. I was 22 and it was my 3rd and final year in the Army at Ft. Lewis, Washington. As a Raiders fan I took so much grief from my Army buddies because the Raiders didn't even make the playoffs in 78 & 79. To add insult to the situation, the nearby Seattle Seahawks beat the Raiders twice in both 78 & 79. Then came 1980 and the most exciting and euphoric cascade of circumstances. It was truly the best of times.
One of the best-researched sports videos on the tube. Excellent content, I love the classic NFL. This was before my time, but I was born later in 1981.
I think Dick Vermeil should be in the Hall of Fame now. Every team he went to, he turned them into winners and playoff contenders.
I guess maybe he should have taken a TV studio analyst job and then he might have gotten in since that seems to work in favor of your more borderline candidates. But I always thought he was a fantastic coach.
Not a long enough career and only one Super Bowl
Vermeil is a HOF coach. But that 14 year break from coaching didn’t help.
I was a big Browns fan as a teenager, because my Dad told me Clarence Scott (FANTASTIC CB for Cleveland) used to work for him prior to becoming a pro (presumably when he was in high school, maybe). Although I have my doubts about the veracity of that, it is/was too late - already hitched up to the Cleveland bandwagon. Brownies history is actually very interesting and worthy of respect, so no regrets.
Except, maybe for this game, which I was unable to watch but heard on the radio. Anticipation building, Browns driving, Sipe doing his thing, the great Pruitt-squared backfield at the ready, Ozzie on the line of scrimmage, seemed like the stars were aligned for a legendary finish by Cleveland ... And then it all came crashing down and broke my heart. Sipe, Greg Pruitt, Ozzie Newsome, Jerry Sherk, Cockroft, Clarence Scott - none of them ever got to the Super Bowl. Damned shame.
As a Raiders fan, I felt pretty bad for the Browns, and this is maybe the most heartbreaking play/game in memory.
Great video, btw. The only thing you didn't mention is that the Raiders had maybe the best DB in the league at that time in Lester Hayes, and Sipe had avoided his side of the field nearly all game, and on this play he lined up on the right side of the field, right where Logan was headed. In fact, the few times he threw Lester's direction ended up in two passes intercepted by Hayes. Also, Newsom had a very good game, especially when covered by Mike Davis, who had the worst hands of all DB's on that Raiders team, a grand total of 11 interceptions in a 9 year career. The fact he caught that ball, lunging the way he did, in those conditions, is by far the best play of his entire career. Yes, Sipe made a bad decision, and a bad throw, but Davis also made a terrific play.
The drive was more heartbreaking for the Browns considering that was the afc championship
@@alexamerling79 so was The Fumble. And that happened as the Browns were going in for the lead score.
@@Rockhound6165 They were trailing by 7 what are you on about?
@@reintaler6355 by golly you are correct. I just went back and watched a 2 minute video of the game and it was 38-31. The Browns got 2 more points on a safety. Also, looking at this video, we should call it The Fumbles as the Browns lost 3 fumbles that day and 4 turnovers altogether.
@@Rockhound6165 Dw haha I too got confused at first. Intentional safties do mess up the scoreboard from time to time (looking at you Baltimore). And yeah, those turnovers don't help build a strong case to deserve a win (looking at you Titans fans; 9 sacks doesn't auto-translate to a win especially with your own 3 turnovers which imo is more detrimental)
Great video, one thing you left out is, the two kicks(FGs & XPs) cockroft made were in the closed end of the field and the 4 he missed were in the open end, where red right 88 happened
I find the history of the Browns, especially in the 1980s, to be so fascinating. I don’t think any team suffered more heartbreak in such dramatic fashion. Brian Sipe had a really good season that year. Even by today’s standards, it was a good season. Looking back, it’s important to realize just how good that Raiders team was, too. They won it just as much as Cleveland lost it.
I was there. The weather was brutal. Going for the TD was the right call. Cockroft was old and injured, field conditions were terrible, and they were at the open end of the stadium. One of the Raiders correctly pointed out that the only one who scored at that end in this whole game was Ron Bolton on his pick-six. Sipe should've done a better job throwing it away, he should have spotted Logan, but he had Ted Hendricks (and the wind) in his face.
As the late great Gene Upshaw said about the late great Mike Davis the Dude could not catch a cold in Alaska Barefoot but he did
Honestly, this video gave the best in depth look on this play that I've seen to date. It's really a genius call if executed properly. However, Sipe simply made a bad read. No matter how good you are, you're going to make mistakes from time to time. It just happened at the worst possible moment for Sipe. Good video.
How does this channel have less than 3000 subscribers? This is better than TPS.
Facts
TPS?
@@dallasbrubaker6054 Total Pro Sports
Definitely. Thankfully now its 20.5K.
I've been a Raider nut since the days of Wonderful Warren Wells when I was but a wee varmint. I still have newspaper clippings of the three Super Bowl wins. Remember newspapers? I didn't know Mike Davis had died. I watched him play college football as well at Colorado. Very sad. His interception sent me out into the front yard screaming! Considering how beaten up Cockroft was, it was the right call. The Mistake By The Lake was at best a skating rink that day. Not an atypical Raider game. Pure insanity and I remember when the Browns stopped van Eeghen I was "WTF?" How could anyone dream the ending? Right out of a novel.
I’m glad you finally included the Seahawks in your historical series. Now that you’re doing your In Defense Of series I’d like to see if you can defend what the Seahawks did in Super Bowl 49. I think the decision to pass in that situation was defensible, the play call and execution was just bad.
Interestingly I thought of this play recently and I agree, the decision to pass on this play wasn’t bad. It was second down, which is a perfect time to go to the end zone. I just think Sipe’s pass to Newsome had no shot of being a touchdown. The best the Browns could have hoped for once Sipe released the ball was the ball fluttering harmlessly to the tundra.
I always thought that the idea was to throw off Bill Belichick and the Pats. Everyone legit thought they were going to run it plus, it being 2nd down was probably also a factor. The idea wasn't crazy but the Pats were just prepared.
RIP Mike Davis
I was only 13 and was at this game , I still havent thawed out yet ! To say weather had a factor is an understatement
Love this stuff.
I had the opportunity to talk to Mike Davis in a Facebook Group about this game. He told me that the crowd was so loud on the final Cleveland drive that the Raider defensive huddle got very tight because you could barely hear the defensive call. He also said that when he intercepted Sipe's pass he could hear the shouts of profanity at him.
Mike Davis was a real down to Earth guy. He was great to talk to and even greater to listen to. Miss you, Mike.
Browns fan here. I believe we should have had multiple superbowls in the 80s
Thanks for this. As a Raider fan who grew up in NY, I’ve had lots of fun and heartache. This was an amazing game. I understood the thinking behind the play but the faith Sipe had to have in Ozzie pon that play was astronomical. Davis and Owens had better shots at that pass than Ozzie. Sipe had plants of time and sure footing. What was he thinking?!
you’re right.. play call is fine but the decision to throw that was ambitious at best
Good video. I've been at Cleveland Municipal Stadium. The wind off the Lake in that open end had a lot to do with Cockroft's problems and the pass itself Sipe said it just died. If it had the norma zip on the ball it would have been knocked down incomplete if anything. That was probably the most ill advised idea to throw right into the only open end to the Lake. Sipe recreated the play and thought process but it's not on RUclips anymore.
I once met a former NFL player who played a winter game there. It was a good 10+ degrees warmer in the game he played than this one, but he said the cold wind coming from that open end of the stadium was the coldest he ever played in.
In 1982, DE Lyle Alzado and RB/KR/PR Greg Pruitt were traded from Cleveland to the Raiders. Their new teammates, many of whom had played in the 1980 playoff game had a bit of news - at least for Pruitt. Namely that Mike Davis, the villain of the Red Right 88 play, had the worst hands on the team. Gene Upshaw quipped that Davis couldn't catch a cold in the Arctic. Unclear if anybody had the nerve to tell Alzado.
Same thing with the Raiders Dolphins Sea of Hands Stabler's waffle pass to Clarence Davis who they also admitted couldn't catch a cold let alone a pass.
Thanks for the analysis. That gave me a whole new perspective on that call. Let me echo CTubeMan and suggest defending the Seahawks pass that was intercepted. I thought that it gave the Seahawks an extra down, had the pass not been intercepted. I really enjoy your videos.
I didn't know Mike Davis passed all the good ones are leaving us all of a sudden NEW YORK Rangers hockey great Rod Gilbert just passed a few days ago at 80 and Tony Esposito the week before at 78.
You didn't even mention the outstanding coverage and play by Hayes. It reminds me of Malcom Butler, where everyone kills the offensive coach for the play call, but if the defender doesn't make a ridiculous play, that play call is totally forgotten.
I’ve been making these same arguments for YEARS! If the Browns go for the FG and Cockcroft misses it (AGAIN) or has it blocked (AGAIN)....Rutigliano gets SLAMMED for “playing not to lose” or “being too conservative”, etc (like how Chuck Knox and Marty Schottenheimer are endlessly criticized for). He goes for it, Mike Davis picks it off (in a great route read and INT), and Rutigliano gets slammed anyways. Way too many Monday Morning QBs/Coaches in the football fandom
Don Crockroft was hurt and should not have been activated for that game. I don't know if Sam Rutigliano could have signed another kicker before that game, but in the end it cost them the game. Missed field goals, blocked extra point. In today's NFL he would have cut, but Sam was stuck with what he had. I can understand why the play was called. Take a shot, you got time for at least one more play.
Did they even try to sign another kicker during the season? He was hurt from Week 1.
Rip Mike Davis
You talk about Cockroft field goal percentage being bad. But Sipe was 13-39 prior to red right 88. Maybe a run play was the answer.
"Maybe we should turn the searchlights on now?"
"No! That's just what they'll be expecting us to do!" - Airplane ruclips.net/video/y0X0ZYbnHxA/видео.html
Sure, a run play that gets next to nothing, and then Cockroft misses another FG because no one can kick a rock into swirling 30mph winds from about 30 yards.
The play was fine, and although the throw got caught in the wind, I had no problem with it. Davis made a play he never duplicated, which was why the Browns didn't advance to go to SD.
Thank you for this . I.... love .... THIS .... CHANEL
Dope content never got this context on red right 88
The Raiders were a championship team, as were the Cowboys. Great teams somehow rise up in the face of adversity. Both the Raiders and Cowboys had dramatic last minute wins on the road that weekend in January of 1981. But heartbreak for Browns and Falcons fans, who are still waiting after all these many years.
1980 Browns were known as the Kardiac Kids because of all the games they won coming from behind throwing the ball. It's no different here and Sam Rutigliano should not get the blame for calling the play. Sipe should have thrown it away to make way for another play
Sipe made a bonehead decision. Instead of throwing the ball into Lake Erie he threw the ball into double coverage.
Great job outlining the reasons behind the call and the ways in which the call potentially could have worked.
Considering how well Sipe had been playing all year, I would trust him to make the right play in that situation. I also would be reluctant to send Cockroft out for so much as a chip shot field goal considering he wasn't even automatic on extra points. I agree with what Rutigliano told Sipe to do, but the fact Sipe didn't makes the call look worse than it perhaps actually was.
I seem to recall that when Sipe came back to the Browns sideline after throwing the game-losing interception, Rutigliano pulled his QB aside and said "I love you," prompting defensive end Lyle Alzado to want to puke.
I was a 13 year old Browns fan growing up in California in 1980. That play, and when Baltimore stole our team is the only times I've ever actually cried when it comes to my Cleveland sports teams. (OK...the Cavs winning it all in 2016 brought some tears, but those were of a different kind!).
From Ozzie Newsome…he said that the wind kept the ball in the air. Good observation from JG9 in regards to Logan basically being wide open with Owens going up to help on Newsome. If Sipe hits Logan the game is over.
When I was watching this game, as a Raiders fan, I was hoping the Browns would attempt a FG from where they were. Both Cockcroft and the conditions were terrible. I got scared when they threw into the end zone and couldn't believe Davis came up with the int.
The other point is you cannot blame Sam on his decision. It was a wasted play. He said to just throw it away as it wasn't 4th down. I do believe the plan was, if Red Right 88 was incomplete, Sam is sending Cockroft in with the game in his hands. Sipe just made a toss he wish he could have had back. But he got us there. Great stat JaguarGator9 on Sipe's numbers-comparing them to any quarterback the last 60 years.
I'm how I remember watching this game. I was actually prying fit the Briwns to attempt a field goal🤣 As far as the pass, don't forget Ted Hendricks was coming for Sipe which probably rushed his decision to throw and Hendricjs was so tall, Sipe probably couldn't have see over him even if he had looked to his right for the drag route. As always, great review.
I miss old municipal stadium so much history.
The Sipe and Fouts matchup was answered on Monday Night Football opener the next year. San Diego beat Cleveland 44-14
My memories of this season was that all five AFC playoff teams were 11-5, I don't know if that ever happened before or since. I also do not know if Cleveland could have gone to San Diego and won the AFC Championship game. I do recall that Don Cockroft missed both Extra points in this game. It was freezing cold as you mentioned, it was just as cold in NYC where our family watched the game early on that Sunday afternoon
I agree that they had a good chance of beating the Chargers, but if the Browns were really all that good in those days then why didn't they ever even get that close before or after...just curious?
Cockroft was at the end of his career and a straight on kicker. The Browns might have chossen to have the closed end of the stadium for the 4th qtr. G
I was 12 years old at the time, I remember this game. One of the announcers (I forget which one) suggested it might be easier to convert a pass than make a FG. I wouldn’t have had a great feeling about Cockroft, but it’s anybody’s guess what might have happened.
Great analysis. Only Jim Plunkett understood the decision at that moment
I believe I've read that Red Right 88 was one of Cleveland's better plays that they used to great effect before this... I'm a Raiders fan, so it worked out in my team's favor (a year and a half before I was born), but I can understand the case for going with that play call. Anyway, things are looking up for the Browns so hopefully they and their fans will get some better, newer moments they can file away with all the heartbreak.
The bottom line was that Don Cockroft, (The Browns PK at the time) had a bad knee and back and the two extra point attempts he tried both missed with the miserable weather also being a factor.... Rutigliano called that play, (Red Right 88) because Cockroft wouldn't be able to make the relatively short filed goal... The rest is history.........
Woulda, coulda, shoulda. MIke Davis was a hero--don't forget that little detail. Go RAIDERS!
The way I remember the game COCKROFT had started to get his game going - in the (2ND HALF). Sipe was having a less than stellar day. He was rarely on target. Sipe got going on the last drive but the long ball had not been there for him all day. The interception sequence - I remember the play looked rushed as it was happening. Yes, Sipe should have thrown the ball out of the end zone or hit another receivor - I guess it was Logan - who looked like he had broken free; but maybe the play was designed to be a throw into the left end zone or out of bounds. Before the play I wanted Rutigliano to let the contest be decided by COCKROFT -- and I still stay with that decision. The MISTAKE BY THE LAKE PLAY -- the energy -- the mojo - before the ball was snapped -- I thought -- I hope I am wrong -- but here comes disaster -- and on the rushed play -- disaster happened... ARRG! Give credit to DA RAIDUHs and AL DAVIS -- they played a great game and beat one of the Brown's best teams of all time. And yes -_ I still miss old MUNICIPAL STADIUM!
Joe Montana would have seen Logan cutting across the middle thats the difference between a good QB and a great QB.
The wind caught it. Indoors it would probably have been a completed pass.
Love the show.. Can you do an episode "In defense of" the Seahawks throwing it at the goaline of Super Bowl XLIX
I know Sipe had a good year in 1980 and the weather was not good on this day, but he was horrible in this game. 13/40 with 3 picks. And Newsome was covered like a blanket on the play. No reason to force it in as it was only second down. Logan was the obvious choice to throw to. Horrible decision by Sipe in the worst game he played all year.
Hold on there Honcho... I saw the game. And Yeah Yeah Cockroft missed at Pat, etc etc.... you cannot seperate the call from the throw.... Sipe Threw it in to double coverage.... so no dude it was a horrible decision to throw it.... Forget about the call...
I was about to turn 8 years old when this game was played. I remember that even at that age, I wouldn't have trusted Cockroft to make that kick, either. Sipe just made a bad read and the Raiders made the play. Trying to get the touchdown before playing Russian Roulette with the kicker in those conditions was not a bad idea.
Brrrrrrrrrr I remember that day and that game although I wasn't at that game.
Can't wait for Rocket Screen.
Can you do a video about the 86 afc title game with the browns and broncos like something analyzing the drive that allowed the broncos to tie the game
Cockroft also miss 2 field goal and extra point in that direction during the game. Plus, he was hurt too.
You should do a video of "In defense of Seahawks passing at the goalline. I actually personally had no problem with them doing it.
The issue that game was ice on the ground , but the wind at the dog pound . On that day anyone could kick to the west . No one could kick to the east in the witches wind
Sipe was 13/40 passing? Yikes!
and 3 picks
At the time I said that they should have kicked a fg but looking back on it the conditions weren't ideal for it.
Great video the Browns where so close to winning this game .
That part of the field icy.
In the 60s Cockroft was their punter.
It may have been designed for Logan but Sipe clearly seems to zero in on Newsome without even looking Logan’s way.
Red Right 88 wasn't the problem. It was the response to the real problem, hanging on to an antiquated straight-on kicker.
Good call Sam I apologize Things happen both ways
This was also the end of the straight-on style of kicking.
Not quite the end, but really close. Oddly enough, the last straight-on kicker was Mark Moseley, and his final game as a kicker (for the Cleveland Browns) was "The Drive" playoff game 6 years later (1/24/87), same stadium. He made the last straight-on FG in NFL history during that game, a 24-yarder.
both these team started 2-3 then went 9-2 to finish 11-5. Sipe was mvp. If the game was in Cleveland ok. maybe that other warm weather california team loses this time. but i dont think the Browns win in San Diego if they get past the raiders in this game. SD at home could score on anybody. abundantly. to Oakland, SD was a division team, already played them twice and they knew each other. but yes....would have liked to have known the outcome of Cleveland at San Diego Jan. 1981
They matched San Diego at Cleveland the following year in the season opener. It was on Monday Night because it was a showcase game. San Diego methodically took the Browns apart on a warm night in Cleveland 44-14. I think the Chargers would have beaten the Browns in the 1980 Championship Game in a high scoring affair
I hate that you blamed the holder on the first Browns missed FG. That was a terrible snap and the holder almost saved it.
Even the best of plays sometimes go awry.
If they didn't want to kick the FG, that's fine. The call may have not have been bad, but the execution was horrible. Brian Sipe threw into double coverage instead of throwing it into Lake Erie. Sipe should have thrown the ball away. Newsome was not open whatsoever.
Amen! and I watched this game on TV. I remember saying, "Typical Browns."
You would think that straight kickers would have a much higher percentage than the soccer style guys.
The browns kicker had missed a couple kicks that day already I wouldn't have put it in his hands or should I say foot
Why is this play called "Red Right 88" anyhow? I didn't see anyone wearing a number 88 jersey on the field, and nobody wore red on their uniform.
I told tig he should've just given the ball to Mack That was our superbowl However that's sport God bless Always
at no point in nfl history when needing a fg to advance has a coach never not run the ball used a t.o to setup the kick. If nothing else a screen pass works better than a throw into the endzone
That's what I said.....for the conditions it was a dumb call. Even worse was the execution.
A note on former "old" Browns PK Lou Groza: his surname is pronounced GROH-zuh, not GRAH-za as you pronounced it in this video.
Great analysis. Clearly a bad read by Sipe. He should of went to his second option on the play.
He had Ted Hendricks breathing down his neck.
All I know is the kicker for the browns was so mind fucked he had no chance to make a fg there so good call to go for a td there
Sipe was to hit logan ! He was never supposed to look at Ozzie newsome Ozzy had the best hands + off the line of scrimmage he had left his cover man in the dust . Sipe thought he had a sure thing . It backfired . Sam the couch did his best & made the right call . As far as Don well because he was having issues no one wanted to kick in the wind 🌬️ the raiders would not have kicked the ball that way . Don's leg was toast by 1980 . He did a good job though . Logan sipe was only to look at Logan
Can you run an "In Defense Of..." on the Cardinals running that slant at the end of the first half of Super Bowl 43 because I want someone to convince me that it wasn't that bad a call because IMO it was one of the dumbest playcalls in Super Bowl history.
The problem is he threw into DOUBLE coverage-not the play itself- there is no way wr was going to get it
Stevie Wonder could have seen it was double coverage.
@@bobma6342 haha SPOT ON
Brian Sipe was great that season. But that game? His stats were atrocious. 13/40 passing. 0 TDs and 3 INTs. A passer rating of 17.0
You realize, of course, that "you would have a better passer rating if you spiked the ball on every play"....😆😆😆
This decision is indefensible for many reasons. It is not the worst ever.
Dick Vermeil is a Hall of Fame coach.
You admit at the beginning of the piece that one needs hindsight to criticize the call.
Your point is lost there.
#1) You never take ANY chance when the high percentage play gives you the victory.
#2) If it's that cold to kick the field goal, it's too cold to throw a pass into the endzone risking a sack, a sack and a fumble, a sack and a fumble and a Raider recovery, a sack and a fumble and Raider recovery and a fumble returned for a touchdown or AN INTERCEPTION.
#3) HERE IS THE MAJOR FLAW IN YOUR ANALYSIS AND THIS SERIES: By YOUR statement at 6:27 you looked at every single field goal in NFL history up until that point to take place in-game time temperature less than 5 degrees. YOUR WORDS. SAM RATIGILANO did not have access to that information.
That's the problem with this entire series. I don't know how long it took you to compile that information, but it wasn't instantaneous. That's the reasoning flaw in this entire series.
You require the head coach or the person to make that decision to have access to information that the person didn't have when the decision was made.
It's not like the person making the decision had the information and ignored it or made a bad decision.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE DEFINITIVE INFORMATION YOU CLAIM SUPPORTS YOUR DEFENSE.
That's important.
#4) Don Cockroff had already hit 2, that's TWO 30-yard field goals in that game in the third quarter.
Do you think that information is important? It might be.
And that is why there is no defense for this decision.
#5) Every time Jim Plunkett won one playoff game, he won the Super Bowl.
#6) At 14:16 you present information that Cockroff would make the kick, contradicting much of your video.
Case closed.
PS: You cherry-pick your facts.
I don't know where you get your definition of wide-open, but I have played eight years of organized football and the receiver was covered.
See Ram-Titians in Super Bowl 34.
It was a terrible call.
Sam Rutigliano was a bad coach who had a losing lifetime record and only one winning season after this play.
Brian Sipe lost his starting position after the 1982 season and was out of football after the 1983 season.
You cannot make a legitimate defense for this play. I saw it live. And we all watching instantly knew it was an idiot call.
No, it was a dumb call by Rutigliano. Oakland wasn't moving the ball that well either and they would have not had any time for a comeback. All he had to do was ram a couple up the middle to pick up a few yards and then Crockroft would have had to kick something like a 35 yard FG at worst. That would have set up a Cleveland/SD championship game which would have been hella interesting.
Did you even see the game? Cockcroft was terrible and the conditions horrible; the kicking game left 10 points off the board that day. They would have had trouble with a 20 yard FG, a 35 FG near impossible.
@@jonburrows8602lighten up, Francis. Cockroft kicked 2 FG's that day and how did this play work out, hmm?
This is why Cleveland should not have kept the Browns name. The demons have been exercised by the Ravens, but only Baltimore benefits.By keeping the name all those bad memories…are always floating in the back of your mind.
It's as if the team from California was better prepared for the arctic conditions than the team from Ohio.
Sam Rutigliano should have been fired after that game immediately.
Why? Their kicker had been struggling all game.
@@alexamerling79 I knew he was struggling but the Browns should have gone for the field goal regardless. Especially if they had no time outs left. A big fat mistake by that Bonehead Rutigliano.
My lord RB. Get out of bounds.
By the way Raider 44 Burgess Owens is a
You left out the fact that going into that last play Brian Sipe was 13 of 39 on the day with 2 interceptions. Sipe had also fumbled the ball no less than 4 times! Sipe turned the ball over 5 times that day including the sword to the heart on the pick to Davis. It would have been a 32 yard kick. AND THAT IS THE REST OF THE STORY you left it out and your video is once again misleading.