You two were a good example of the Hybrid ... when one had more information to offer, the other would stop talking while the other took over. Like a Hybrid, it went back and forth as needed. 🙂
I have a Sportage HEV being delivered in mid March. I was open to a PHEV so I ran the numbers. Some things I considered in the evaluation: 1) We are retired do don't have a commute. 2) We plan to use the Sportage on road trips, typically doing 500 miles a day. 3) The Sportage PHEV weights 400 pounds (180 KG) more than the HEV. So, with the PHEV, for the majority of our miles, we will be dragging around 400 pounds of extra weight. Multiple sources indicate that on a vehicle like the Sportage that 400 pounds will cost you 2 MPG (.4 Liters per 100 KM). I will only get the advantage of the PHEV for the first 34 miles each day, if I can find a charger while on the road. I decided on the HEV. I love gadgets and tech and would have enjoyed learning the PHEV but I could not justify the $7,000 price difference (In US the Sportage PHEV does not qualify for a Tax Credit) given my driving situation.
It's absolutely worth running the numbers. At the time I compared an HEV to PHEV Hyundai Ioniq and decided I'd need to drive 11,000kms per year on electric only to break even on the cost difference financing one vs the other. That was that particular car and price difference, it'll vary.
It is so important to run the numbers and compare them based off of your needs and driving habits - thanks for commenting and sharing your real world thought process!
Just a quick note about your comment, Gabi. I also have a Sorento PHEV, and it's true, it's a massive economy of fuel for short commutes, but here in Quebec only during the summer. In the winter, I need to stop more frequently at gas station because of the heating. Anyways, at the end it still much more economical than my last V6 car for sure. 😀
Very informative! Given the rebate, I would have gotten for myself a Sportage '23 PHEV, but the wait was too long so I got an HEV instead. Still a good deal given it's a great car! Thanks, KIA!
Well done ladies, very informative. I agree, a lot of people possibly don't fully understand the difference. I drive a hybrid myself because I live in a condo where I cannot plug in, that's why I bought a hybrid. I'm getting really good fuel efficacy and I really like the regenerative braking.
Great explanation !!! So it's all about the range in pure battery mode that determines PHEV or not... Curious if PHEV's can be charged using usual 120 volt or do we need to have 240 volt charger ???
15-100% takes about 10 hours on 110V, while, this is certainly a long charge time. A lot of drivers will typically plug their car in at the end of the day (after work, errands etc). Level 2 charging (240V) can be done in shortly over 2hours.
Run the numbers and the cost difference. A) Use the L/100km fuel economy on the HEV with gasoline prices in your area to get cost per km on gas B) Figure 5km/kwh on the PHEV on electric running, get your price per kwh on your electricity bill and figure your price per km on electric. PHEVs are ideal for short commuting on electric that would normally be done with a cold engine; look for a heat pump or PTC heater to provide cabin heat electrically rather than running the engine to produce heat in colder temperatures eg the Niro PHEV has a PTC heater but the Sportage does not. HEV (regular hybrids) are almost always worth getting over the standard gas models, only exception being if you have to get a higher trim level to get the hybrid over what you'd normally be buying. The fuel savings are typically worth $1000+ per year for majority of drivers, again do the numbers based on L/100kms and how much driving you do per year. I went with a regular HEV and I love it because I don't have to think about it at all, no plugging in, just get in and drive it like a traditional gasoline car.
PHEV is a no brainer with the federal rebate. No point getting HEV. With the current slowdown in EV adoption, it seems PHEVs will be here to stay for a long time as they are still considered zero emission vehicles.
The federal rebate for PHEV in Canada or USA? I’m not sure about Canada, but in the USA the only PHEVs that qualify for the federal rebate are the Chrysler Pacifica, Ford Escape, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Jeep Wrangler, or Lincoln Corsair.
Have you two ever considered moving from Brantford to Hollywood or Vancouver? you could be the next Erin Karpluk, Cindy Busby, or Laura Vandervoort?......just saying🧐🤔💯☺️ p.s. no , i am in FL , not Canada.
You two were a good example of the Hybrid ... when one had more information to offer, the other would stop talking while the other took over. Like a Hybrid, it went back and forth as needed. 🙂
Charlotte’s and Gabby is the best duo ever in the world
I have a Sportage HEV being delivered in mid March. I was open to a PHEV so I ran the numbers.
Some things I considered in the evaluation:
1) We are retired do don't have a commute.
2) We plan to use the Sportage on road trips, typically doing 500 miles a day.
3) The Sportage PHEV weights 400 pounds (180 KG) more than the HEV.
So, with the PHEV, for the majority of our miles, we will be dragging around 400 pounds of extra weight. Multiple sources indicate that on a vehicle like the Sportage that 400 pounds will cost you 2 MPG (.4 Liters per 100 KM). I will only get the advantage of the PHEV for the first 34 miles each day, if I can find a charger while on the road.
I decided on the HEV. I love gadgets and tech and would have enjoyed learning the PHEV but I could not justify the $7,000 price difference (In US the Sportage PHEV does not qualify for a Tax Credit) given my driving situation.
It's absolutely worth running the numbers. At the time I compared an HEV to PHEV Hyundai Ioniq and decided I'd need to drive 11,000kms per year on electric only to break even on the cost difference financing one vs the other. That was that particular car and price difference, it'll vary.
It is so important to run the numbers and compare them based off of your needs and driving habits - thanks for commenting and sharing your real world thought process!
Just a quick note about your comment, Gabi. I also have a Sorento PHEV, and it's true, it's a massive economy of fuel for short commutes, but here in Quebec only during the summer. In the winter, I need to stop more frequently at gas station because of the heating. Anyways, at the end it still much more economical than my last V6 car for sure. 😀
It takes 250,000 miles for that PHEV to pay for itself if EV is used 50% of the time....500,000 if at 25%. Too bad you didn't learn math at school kid
Very informative! Given the rebate, I would have gotten for myself a Sportage '23 PHEV, but the wait was too long so I got an HEV instead. Still a good deal given it's a great car! Thanks, KIA!
Well done ladies, very informative. I agree, a lot of people possibly don't fully understand the difference. I drive a hybrid myself because I live in a condo where I cannot plug in, that's why I bought a hybrid. I'm getting really good fuel efficacy and I really like the regenerative braking.
Great explanation !!! So it's all about the range in pure battery mode that determines PHEV or not... Curious if PHEV's can be charged using usual 120 volt or do we need to have 240 volt charger ???
You can certainly get by with the 120V that comes with the car (most of our customers just do this) However 240V is great too!
@@BrantfordKia At one point to charge using 120 takes like 10X(?) longer than at 240. Is that still true with Kia/Hyundai PHEVs?
15-100% takes about 10 hours on 110V, while, this is certainly a long charge time. A lot of drivers will typically plug their car in at the end of the day (after work, errands etc). Level 2 charging (240V) can be done in shortly over 2hours.
Run the numbers and the cost difference. A) Use the L/100km fuel economy on the HEV with gasoline prices in your area to get cost per km on gas B) Figure 5km/kwh on the PHEV on electric running, get your price per kwh on your electricity bill and figure your price per km on electric.
PHEVs are ideal for short commuting on electric that would normally be done with a cold engine; look for a heat pump or PTC heater to provide cabin heat electrically rather than running the engine to produce heat in colder temperatures eg the Niro PHEV has a PTC heater but the Sportage does not.
HEV (regular hybrids) are almost always worth getting over the standard gas models, only exception being if you have to get a higher trim level to get the hybrid over what you'd normally be buying. The fuel savings are typically worth $1000+ per year for majority of drivers, again do the numbers based on L/100kms and how much driving you do per year. I went with a regular HEV and I love it because I don't have to think about it at all, no plugging in, just get in and drive it like a traditional gasoline car.
It takes 250,000 miles for the PHEV to pay for itself at 50% EV use......run those numbers Goober
PHEV is a no brainer with the federal rebate. No point getting HEV.
With the current slowdown in EV adoption, it seems PHEVs will be here to stay for a long time as they are still considered zero emission vehicles.
The federal rebate for PHEV in Canada or USA? I’m not sure about Canada, but in the USA the only PHEVs that qualify for the federal rebate are the Chrysler Pacifica, Ford Escape, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Jeep Wrangler, or Lincoln Corsair.
The rebate we mentioned is for Canada! There will be variances depending on the country.
@@BrantfordKia There are some Canadian provinces that have $ 12,500 in rebates. Making a Prime cheaper, by far than a non-hybrid.
Thanks for solving my confusion
I am getting greedy now can we get video on plug-in Kia Niro 2024 for features n all thanks 😊
Haha we’re still waiting for our ‘24 Niro PHEV to arrive - but thank you for commenting and giving us the opportunity to answer your question!
I wish forte came with hybrid options
We might see it when it is replaced by the K4. It'll likely have to be hybrid to compete with the upcoming Civic hybrid.
How about sealion 6 PHEV?
Very informative!
this is very good...
How much to replace battery from China and where does the old battery go?
About $5K
Unfortunately, getting a PHEV in a reasonable time frame from Kia Canada is not possible right now.
very good point, Canada is certainly struggling with PHEV allocation
@@BrantfordKiaIndeed. And it also pushes customers to other manufacturers.
Not so much range anxiety for BEVs, more accurately it is charging anxiety. It will go away when dependable EV charging stations become ubiquitous.
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Have you two ever considered moving from Brantford to Hollywood or Vancouver? you could be the next Erin Karpluk, Cindy Busby, or Laura Vandervoort?......just saying🧐🤔💯☺️
p.s. no , i am in FL , not Canada.
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