She is the same actress who played the Chan-Tho alien from Utopia!!! I'm so impressed you saw that so quickly. I've never seen anyone realize it before! Also, love the reactions!!!
@lesterbottomley7641 I was fairly young when I first saw both of the episodes, so all the makeup was enough to make me think it was two entirely different people. I don't know if I would have realized had I seen them later in life. Then again, I do tend to forget about the "they are all just actors" when I'm really enjoying a show
The way Bernard Cribbins delivers the line about labour camps shatters my heart. The way the Doctor just KNOWS it's Rose from the moment he hears "blonde" is played perfectly by Tennant. This is one of my all-time favourite episodes.
The moment between the doctor and donna when he's slowly realizing she's talking about Rose always gives me the chills. The slow realisation and desperation that comes onto David's face is just amazing. And then the 'Bad Wolf' at the end is just *chef's kiss*
“And you, woman of London… you’ve got something on your back!” So, this episode asks one big question - what would happen if It’s a Wonderful Life and Doctor Who had a baby. It’s fantastic and a tour de force acting job by Catherine Tate. It’s also absolutely chilling with how DARK it gets and how the universe seems to be targeting not just The Doctor but anyone he was connected to. Really fantastic. Unless you hate spiders. Then you’re in trouble.
A clever little bit of continuity in this episode, the scene of the Tank shooting down the Web star doesn't have the radio broadcast establishing that Mr Saxon ordered it shot down, because with the Doctor dead, Professor Yana never opened his pocket watch, and even if he did, he has no way of escaping the end of the universe.
Ok, there is one thing that's always infuriated me, and I know, I'm probably VERY alone with this issue. But maybe someone could help me finally clear this up once and for all: 14:01 This is the way, I've always known how to salute someone... Why does Wilf ALWAYS salute differently? 😡😡😫😫 It looks SO DUMB with the palm forwards. The other person is SHOWING you, how to do it. It's like a response. So, why can't he just salute back normally? Equally? What the heck is going on there? 😅 Excuse me for maybe being ignorant or for sucking at history. Sometimes I'm ocd with these things. But because Wilf ALWAYS did this, it started to infuriate me at some point.....
@@chanceneck8072 Personally speaking, I just think it's because he's old and trying to remember how he did it, and he's obviously trying his best. But I could be wrong 😀
@@chanceneck8072Bernard Cribbins did a perfect salute by UK drill standards.. hand flat, fingers extended and pushed together, raise upper arm and then snap and lock your elbow so your middle finger is just at the edge of the eye.. 🤷♂️
If the Doctor died in The Runaway Bride, Martha wouldn’t have been there to convince Professor Yana to open the fob watch. Hence the Master never returned and Harold Saxon never existed.
that is not necessarily correct. Another person could have encouraged him to do so at a later date. Or maybe he would have died and regenerated (he was already older in the Yana form). Then his psychological barrier would certainly no longer have held up.
@@schauseil187 If he never opened the Fob Watch, he would never have regenerated. The Doctor says it rewrites biological code, becoming human, it disables the 2nd heart, and disables regeneration. Which is confirmed in Family of Blood where his watch showed John Smith what his life will be if he remained human, and he died a natural human death without regenerating. If Professor Yana never opened the watch, he would probably have died on the planet.
@@schauseil187 His biology wasn't Time Lord at that point. It was human. He couldn't have regenerated. Plus, even if he did open the watch and become the Master again, he probably would have been stuck at the end of the universe.
@@schauseil187 That's a fair point, but it's still entirely possible he would have either died because his plans failed. But even if he did survive, he wouldn't have any reason to travel back to what he would probably assume was still the Time War, much less take on the Saxon persona.
Actually in Voyage of the Damned the Doctor said the “Titanic” crashing would wipe out all life on Earth, due to its nuclear drive, so they scaled the damage way down in this episode.
Yeah that was one of the only things that annoyed me about this episode. That and in the Voyage of the Damned everyone except wilf and the queen left London for the holidays, so in theory no one who lived in London except the queen wouldve really died during the crash anyway if the entire world didn’t get wiped out
Someone in the ship probably just shut down the reactor. Several thousand tons impacting at orbital velocity is still enough to wipe out a city even without nuclear aid. So that would explain why only London was destroyed.
@@LilacLily17they needed to relocate 7 million people and today there are less than 9 million in London, so seems like that was accounted for. I am sure the only two people stayed was hyperbole, but traveling isn't an option for everyone, even if scared. It was a good point, and I am glad I looked it up, because it shows they paid attention. Less than 2 million people were in the city. It would feel empty.
The engine wouldn't even have to explode if it came in at orbital velocity. If the crash didn't cause an engine meltdown (and if it's fusion it probably wouldn't) several thousand tons impacting at orbital velocity would produce energy on par with our largest nukes.
To explain the people seeing the thing on Donna's back, it's psychic stuff: some people have a bit of psychic capability that allows then to see what others can't. Or time travelers.
The doctor's companions are constantly being parapsychically fed information from the Tardis (so that they can understand every language). I could imagine that over time this would also increase your psionic sensitivity. In addition, the birth of River Song showed that traveling in the Tardis even has an effect on your genetic makeup.
I remember at the time there was a lot of talk about how Rose’s speech and mouth had changed in this episode. Billie Piper had just had new dental veneers fitted and they gave her a lisping dialogue and her teeth seemed too big. When she says the line, “It’s a Time Machine” you notice it.
I forgot that Rose didn't show up in the cold open so yes the opening would have spoiled that she was showing up -- very clever and successful strategy you had there, and it's funny that when it finally happens is the time when you questioned whether that would actually happen
@@ciaranconlon84 It’s such a brilliant home run for the series. • Silence In the Library • Forest of the Dead • Midnight • Turn Left • Stolen Earth • Journey’s End Literal perfection back to back
The entire back half of season 4 is perfect. I know there are folks who don't love the finale but I never got that. It's really fun and the stakes being as high as they are still feel personal because of their direct ties to each of the Doctor's friends. Season 4 is one of the all-time bests.
I love this episode so much. With Rose appearing and it getting darker and more depressing as it goes on leading Donna to the point of hopelessness and then that final reveal right at the end.
If you want the Rose spin-off, look up Big Finish, and look up Rose Tyler: The Dimension Cannon, it's a full cast audio drama with all the original actors about how Rose found her way back
One of my favourite episodes, so sad and emotional. Really great acting skills from Catherine Tate, one can feel her turmoil, constantly thinking she's not important. A very good reaction. Thanks for a very nice channel.
9:07 tbf Voyage Of The Damned said itd wipe out the whole planet, then here its just the South of England (like still a major disaster but does mean the Doctor was exaggerating), so its possible Big Finish did a series of Rose being with the Torchwood of Pete's World getting the ability to & exploring the multiverse, even meeting a Clive (the guy in the shed with all the info on the Doctor in S1) who was still alive in one universe & he went on to join the Torchwood team as the control (overseer of the multiverse travelling)
This is one of my favorite episodes because it is just full-on Donna. She's my favorite companion, see a lot of myself in her (hate my own guts and have no self-esteem lol).
I always think in this episode, that London despite being destroyed would have been empty like it was when we first met Wilfred in Voyage of the Damned, everyone scarpered, and in this timeline that was a very good idea.
There are a couple of plotholes to be honest. In Voyage of the Damned, it's said the Titanic's engines will destroy all of Earth, but here it only destroyed London. And the Carrionites from Shakespeare Code, they were going to destroy Earth and would have if the Doctor wasn't there. But Earth is fine. So what happened? And also, if the Doctor hadn't met Donna, why would he be involved in the Racnoss? Donna appearing on the TARDIS is the only reason he discovers it.
Well, for there to have been a Saxon, the Doctor would have needed to survive his fight with the Racnoss so he could eventually go to the furthest future to meet Professor Yana, sooo...
@@jdeang3531 She would have been deposed either way. Remember, she was ousted via the Doctor BEFORE he even met Donna. And this is the Christmas after the Sycorax one. The proof is the radio transmission to the tank troupes positioned to take on the web star. The radio message said "Orders from Mr. Saxon: FIRE!" Saxon just wouldn't have existed in the first place to even be her replacement had the Doctor not survived the Racnoss in order to meet Yana.
I'm watching you watch this, and seeing how depressing things are without the doctor, it's really a secondary point of this episode, the primary point is to establish that Donna is important, but secondly, it points out how much of a difference the doctor makes. We get that he saves the planet/universe or whatever in various stories, but seeing the actual results if he fails cements the importance of his actions (and the fact that the the people he had contact with, were the only ones that were able to stop the other stuff without him, is also significant) It's a doctor light episode, but like most of them, the doctor is of course a major presence in them.
Midnight, a mostly Donna free episode and Turn Left, an episode centered around her. Catherine Tate did such an amazing job this episode. Sylvia usually annoys me with her attitude towards Donna, but in this episode you can sense the depression, she has given up hope. It's more than any disappointment in her daughter but the entire situation weighing her down.
At the time this was aired, I had a special friend, so nice memories of this season. She moved away however, and changed when I saw her again…nice to dip into it again, your first views mean so much 😊to me
So, perhaps one of your patrons has already pointed this out, but when the Italian family is being taken away to the "labour camps", the background music is the Cyberman theme
@@andrewgwilliam4831 This is what I get for not throwing an "allegedly" in to cover my butt 😅🙃 I remember seeing the comment somewhere once upon a time but now having gone and trying to verify myself... yeah, if even a trace of their leitmotif is actually in there (and now I can't find the textual backing I thought I once had seen), it's tucked away. I can hear some similarities but I'd need a close listen to feel more confident about it now
@mackenziejohnson5200 Lol! To be fair, though, Murray Gold did reuse/repurpose a lot of his music. I think he felt that if something sounded right, he'd use it, regardless of original context.
The fact that if Donna hadn't been with the doctor right after he lost rose he would have died down with the spider creature just hits different. Losing rose absolutely destroyed him. Honestly same. I love doctor rose in this episode. So good
The Titanic would have destroyed more than London. In Voyage of the Damned, the Doctor said the nuclear storm drive would explode and wipe out life on Earth.
there is a kind of spinoff of Rose but there are audio stories. In total are 3 sets of adventures of Rose details about what she did after she got trapped in Pete's world. ❤❤
I'm toying around with the idea of reacting to some Big Finish stories after this upcoming season of NuWho has ended, and The Dimension Canon is definitely something that would be considered for that. :)
I cannot recommend “Rose Tyler: The Dimension Cannon” series enough! It has three volumes so far and is a full cast audio series. Billie is incredible in it and it focuses on Rose’s journey through the multiverse. Big Finish can be really hit and miss for me, but this spin off is consistently brilliant and has so many good stories.
Very good continuity that the Master never showed up in this alternative timeline. Because the Doctor and Jack never traveled to the end of the universe, the events which restored the Master's memories never happened. In this timeline, he would have stayed as Professor Yana for the rest of his life, never able to get the Utopia rocket working.
9:09 I thought that too for a while but I rewatched Voyage of the damned and they mentioned the ship has a nuclear thing running nuclear stuff and it would explode or something
I quite enjoyed the Sara Jane Adventures. My all time favourite companion of the best Doctor. I was a bit disappointed Donna fell for this but if she didn't there wouldn't be a story! The Titanic in this case had a storm drive which was practically a nuclear bomb
Just a reminder, the Doctor said if that Titanic hit the Earth,"the nuclear storm explodes and wipes out life on Earth." It may not be doing so quickly but that Earth is doomed.
Blink is still my favorite episode, but this one is also in the top 5 for sure! Donna is by far my favorite companion. You are watching some of the best Who, ever!
hi, well The 10th Doctor died because he refuse to Regenerate, because all this events of the Run a way Bride happend just minutes after he tells his last words to Rose, he was totaly broken ready to give up, if you look into the scene whe the water was comin in he was still and vision fixed and he only reactbwhen Donna tells him that he can stop now,. ❤❤
In the Voyage of The Damned, The Doctor said the Titantic impact would've wiped out the entire planet, so I guess someone actually did something onboard in Donna's Timeline to help.
9:10 If it came in at orbital velocity it probably would. Given its a space ship it can probably handle re-entry so it would hit the planet with most of its mass intact. The OG titanic weighed over 50,000 tons coming in at orbital velocity, that's like 2*10^16 Jules. Thats more than a 1000 times the energy of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima and in the ballpark of the Tsar Bomb the most powerful nuclear device we ever made. Of course we don't know the exact weight or speed of the space titanic but it was probably enough to take out London and most of the surrounding area if it hit.
I've never liked Rose, my least favorite companion. HOWEVER, I did appreciate how she contributed to the story, and even enjoyed the romance cause I'm a hopeless romantic sucker lmao. Anyways, basically this episode was VERY epic for me and still one of my faves. That Bad Wolf moment at the end still gives me chills
Oh, you think this episode was depressing, with the European government making jacked up decisions, wait until you see Torchwood Children of Earth, hell toss Miracle Day in there too, RTD can sure depressing the shit out of you sometimes
10:02 Think of it this way, almost a fifth of the UK's pop-ups lives in London, which also means something approximatiolng that much of its housing. And it sounds like most of southeastern England has been displaced, which is where the majority of their population is. America doesn't have that much of a population concentration, and 7 million people being forced to relocate at once would overwhelm us. Canada... I'm not as familiar with Canada's situation, but I suspect it's closer to Britain's as regards concentration. On the other hand, I suspect the US would be more willing to take on a bunch of displaced Canadians than France would be too take on a bunch of displaced Brits. 13:00 Nope, remember that he only got to earth because the Doctor and Martha found him at the end of the universe. Doctor was already dead before that happened in this timeline, and Martha for that matter. No one to wake the Master up. No way back in time if he woke up on his own.
I love the premise of this episode, but I just don't enjoy the episode as made. There's just something about the tone of it that's really grating to me, and unfortunately Billie Piper just doesn't feel like Rose (although she's closer to her by the end). Seems to be a fairly popular one with most fans, though.
Make sense they do heap a lot on. They want a conflict and to keep upping the stakes and they can too far at times. But I think it makes sense of well if he doesn't save it who does. Torchwood, someone else. Events that just happen. And other changes happen. The tone is dark while not being graphic of course for fair reasons as a family show. Or what events happen. I would say oh the doctor doesn't have to save everything but I mean hmm I guess in certain earth events many of them would turn out that way I guess..... Not sure. I do agree Rose is a bit different but I guess because of time since Series 2 and 4 she changed due to what happens in her world, or it's been time seen acting for this role so it comes across different. But yeah by the end it is very Rose of before. It kind of makes sense but yes is a bit odd.
I really like this episode - as depressing as it is increasingly gets, I think it does a great job of raising the stakes and showing what a world without the Doctor would be like. Unfortunately, I think this is where S4 peaks for me. Really not a fan of the finale 2-parter (unpopular opinion, I know).
This will come up as somewhat controversial this was my least favourite episode only because it didn't feature much of the Doctor in it there's alot of fans who don't mind it but for me personally i prefer it when the Doctor is there because it feels like I'm watching a different show when he's not but I understand Tennant wasn't available during filming it's one of those episodes I don't often look back on. I wasn't the biggest Rose fan I was happy with how they ended with her in Series 2 I feel when they bring old companions back it kind of ruins their arc and impact i feel she was just there for the sake of fan service but that's just my opinion I'd rather they just left her as she was i mean i liked Rose for awhile but i felt she had a much better chemistry with Christopher's Doctor than with David's because their wasn't this whole romantic relationship between those two which i hated, it was more of an uncle and niece relationship, Billie Piper later admitted she had actually forgotten how to play Rose and it kind of shows here because she's not the same Rose we knew her when she was a regular companion she felt like an entirely different character almost. The beetle on Donna's back is a callback to a Classic Who story which I won't name incase you plan on watching this particular classic story and one of my favourites.
Same! I absolutely adore some of the future companions (maybe more so than Rose, to be honest) but, like the 9th Doctor, Rose will always have a special place in my heart since she was my first companion.
Ok, there is one thing that's always infuriated me, and I know, I'm probably VERY alone with this issue. But maybe someone could help me finally clear this up once and for all: 14:01 This is the way, I've always known how to salute someone... Why does Wilf ALWAYS salute differently? 😡😡😫😫 It looks SO DUMB with the palm forwards. The other person is SHOWING you, how to do it. It's like a response. So, why can't he just salute back normally? Equally? What the heck is going on there? 😅 Excuse me for maybe being ignorant or for sucking at history. Sometimes I'm ocd with these things. But because Wilf ALWAYS did this, it started to infuriate me at some point.....
Omg you’re reaction to the next 2 episodes are gunna be SO GOOD!!! I disliked rose in series 2 and her love for the doctor, so our opinions to rose returning are totally opposite lol! Just the usual question for you, where bouts in classic are you now? 😊
Such a good episode. No idea there was Rose audio dramas or books or so. But comments say so. Make sense. Not seen Sarah Jane Adventures so interesting that bit. A turn of events indeed. A bit too much of wrongs but it makes a point even if heaped on. I don't remember what the bees point was a I remember the stars and other details for some reason. The next two episodes work to continue this. But yep Rose jumping dimensions just like Series 2 hmm how does she do that this time compared to the other jumping devices. I literally don't remember. Oh right Chan tho huh. Just like Martha in Series 2 then companion status. They do reuse the actors which makes sense but the makeup and role changes. Good spotting didn't realise. Ah Torchwood how S1&2 were good, 3 was garbage for 5-6 episodes I wanted to skip it but watched it all to witness and complete how bad it was, and 4 I stopped watching I was so bored of it and not enjoying the writing or characters.
I disagree. They mentioned multiple SJA characters in this that I wouldn't have had a clue who they were otherwise. I mean, Maria and Clyde were just a quick reference so that wouldn't have been a huge deal to not get the reference (although it's more enjoyable that I did), but the Trickster is literally the one responsible for the entire episode. I would've been lost and confused at the end and it would've definitely made me like the episode a little less. And that's not even going into the tie-ins in the finale story.
"And you Daughter of London... there is something on your back"
She is the same actress who played the Chan-Tho alien from Utopia!!! I'm so impressed you saw that so quickly. I've never seen anyone realize it before! Also, love the reactions!!!
Chan Impressive Tho
I picked up on it straight away but only because of the distinctive voice. I do better with voices than faces as a rule (chan) tho
I never knew that. 😅
@lesterbottomley7641 I was fairly young when I first saw both of the episodes, so all the makeup was enough to make me think it was two entirely different people. I don't know if I would have realized had I seen them later in life. Then again, I do tend to forget about the "they are all just actors" when I'm really enjoying a show
I still can’t see it even though I’ve known for years!
"That's what they called them last time" actually a bone chilling line added by the man himself Bernard Cribbins
The way Bernard Cribbins delivers the line about labour camps shatters my heart. The way the Doctor just KNOWS it's Rose from the moment he hears "blonde" is played perfectly by Tennant. This is one of my all-time favourite episodes.
The moment between the doctor and donna when he's slowly realizing she's talking about Rose always gives me the chills. The slow realisation and desperation that comes onto David's face is just amazing. And then the 'Bad Wolf' at the end is just *chef's kiss*
“And you, woman of London… you’ve got something on your back!”
So, this episode asks one big question - what would happen if It’s a Wonderful Life and Doctor Who had a baby. It’s fantastic and a tour de force acting job by Catherine Tate. It’s also absolutely chilling with how DARK it gets and how the universe seems to be targeting not just The Doctor but anyone he was connected to. Really fantastic.
Unless you hate spiders. Then you’re in trouble.
A clever little bit of continuity in this episode, the scene of the Tank shooting down the Web star doesn't have the radio broadcast establishing that Mr Saxon ordered it shot down, because with the Doctor dead, Professor Yana never opened his pocket watch, and even if he did, he has no way of escaping the end of the universe.
That look on wilf's face, rest in peace Bernard
Ok, there is one thing that's always infuriated me, and I know, I'm probably VERY alone with this issue. But maybe someone could help me finally clear this up once and for all:
14:01 This is the way, I've always known how to salute someone...
Why does Wilf ALWAYS salute differently? 😡😡😫😫
It looks SO DUMB with the palm forwards. The other person is SHOWING you, how to do it. It's like a response. So, why can't he just salute back normally? Equally? What the heck is going on there?
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Excuse me for maybe being ignorant or for sucking at history. Sometimes I'm ocd with these things. But because Wilf ALWAYS did this, it started to infuriate me at some point.....
@@chanceneck8072 Personally speaking, I just think it's because he's old and trying to remember how he did it, and he's obviously trying his best. But I could be wrong 😀
@@chanceneck8072 This is the British way, palm forward. Palm down is American.
@@10thdoctor15 Aha.... Hate it... 😅
Looks like shit....
@@chanceneck8072Bernard Cribbins did a perfect salute by UK drill standards.. hand flat, fingers extended and pushed together, raise upper arm and then snap and lock your elbow so your middle finger is just at the edge of the eye.. 🤷♂️
If the Doctor died in The Runaway Bride, Martha wouldn’t have been there to convince Professor Yana to open the fob watch. Hence the Master never returned and Harold Saxon never existed.
that is not necessarily correct. Another person could have encouraged him to do so at a later date. Or maybe he would have died and regenerated (he was already older in the Yana form). Then his psychological barrier would certainly no longer have held up.
@@schauseil187 If he never opened the Fob Watch, he would never have regenerated. The Doctor says it rewrites biological code, becoming human, it disables the 2nd heart, and disables regeneration. Which is confirmed in Family of Blood where his watch showed John Smith what his life will be if he remained human, and he died a natural human death without regenerating. If Professor Yana never opened the watch, he would probably have died on the planet.
@@schauseil187 His biology wasn't Time Lord at that point. It was human. He couldn't have regenerated. Plus, even if he did open the watch and become the Master again, he probably would have been stuck at the end of the universe.
@@johnmcclure40 the master had backup plans for his backup plans. he would never have relied on a single trump card.
@@schauseil187 That's a fair point, but it's still entirely possible he would have either died because his plans failed.
But even if he did survive, he wouldn't have any reason to travel back to what he would probably assume was still the Time War, much less take on the Saxon persona.
Actually in Voyage of the Damned the Doctor said the “Titanic” crashing would wipe out all life on Earth, due to its nuclear drive, so they scaled the damage way down in this episode.
It's possible the Doctor was wrong in the original episode.
Yeah that was one of the only things that annoyed me about this episode. That and in the Voyage of the Damned everyone except wilf and the queen left London for the holidays, so in theory no one who lived in London except the queen wouldve really died during the crash anyway if the entire world didn’t get wiped out
Someone in the ship probably just shut down the reactor. Several thousand tons impacting at orbital velocity is still enough to wipe out a city even without nuclear aid. So that would explain why only London was destroyed.
@@LilacLily17they needed to relocate 7 million people and today there are less than 9 million in London, so seems like that was accounted for. I am sure the only two people stayed was hyperbole, but traveling isn't an option for everyone, even if scared. It was a good point, and I am glad I looked it up, because it shows they paid attention. Less than 2 million people were in the city. It would feel empty.
Titanic had nuclear fusion engine. So it would be like droping nuke on london. Si-fi high power nuke.
I'm pretty sure in the Titanic ep itself they said the crash would destroy the Earth entirely.
@@iz723The Doctor can be wrong sometimes? 🤷🏼♂️
The engine wouldn't even have to explode if it came in at orbital velocity. If the crash didn't cause an engine meltdown (and if it's fusion it probably wouldn't) several thousand tons impacting at orbital velocity would produce energy on par with our largest nukes.
To explain the people seeing the thing on Donna's back, it's psychic stuff: some people have a bit of psychic capability that allows then to see what others can't. Or time travelers.
The doctor's companions are constantly being parapsychically fed information from the Tardis (so that they can understand every language). I could imagine that over time this would also increase your psionic sensitivity. In addition, the birth of River Song showed that traveling in the Tardis even has an effect on your genetic makeup.
It's possible that the Time Beetle's presence gets more overt when major events that it's meddling impacted occured.
I wonder if that woman on the bus would have been able to see it fully.
I remember at the time there was a lot of talk about how Rose’s speech and mouth had changed in this episode. Billie Piper had just had new dental veneers fitted and they gave her a lisping dialogue and her teeth seemed too big. When she says the line, “It’s a Time Machine” you notice it.
I assumed she was wearing invisible braces. When I met Catherine Tate she was wearing some.
I did think she looked a little different in this.
I forgot that Rose didn't show up in the cold open so yes the opening would have spoiled that she was showing up -- very clever and successful strategy you had there, and it's funny that when it finally happens is the time when you questioned whether that would actually happen
Midnight followed by Turn Left = Doctor Who perfection.
Not to mention what's about to come!
@@ciaranconlon84
It’s such a brilliant home run for the series.
• Silence In the Library
• Forest of the Dead
• Midnight
• Turn Left
• Stolen Earth
• Journey’s End
Literal perfection back to back
Yeah, series 4 is peak Doctor Who
The entire back half of season 4 is perfect. I know there are folks who don't love the finale but I never got that. It's really fun and the stakes being as high as they are still feel personal because of their direct ties to each of the Doctor's friends. Season 4 is one of the all-time bests.
Series 10 finale >>>>
I love this episode so much. With Rose appearing and it getting darker and more depressing as it goes on leading Donna to the point of hopelessness and then that final reveal right at the end.
The Titanic was powered by nuclear storm drive. Very possible to destroy the whole city.
In Voyage of the Damned they said it would destroy the entire planet. Presumably someone probably Midshipman Frame found a wat to reduce the damage.
A classic who item that reappears here is the cloister bell (the boing boing at the cliffhanger), introduced as a sign of impending doom
If you want the Rose spin-off, look up Big Finish, and look up Rose Tyler: The Dimension Cannon, it's a full cast audio drama with all the original actors about how Rose found her way back
One of my favourite episodes, so sad and emotional. Really great acting skills from Catherine Tate, one can feel her turmoil, constantly thinking she's not important. A very good reaction. Thanks for a very nice channel.
One of my favourite episodes Catherine Tate CAN ACT also that cliffhanger is soooooo good
Also Jacqueline King. The look of utter giving up.
@@QuisletEsq completely agree her acting in this was brilliant
The torch wood episodes will make the next part much more important.
9:07 tbf Voyage Of The Damned said itd wipe out the whole planet, then here its just the South of England (like still a major disaster but does mean the Doctor was exaggerating), so its possible
Big Finish did a series of Rose being with the Torchwood of Pete's World getting the ability to & exploring the multiverse, even meeting a Clive (the guy in the shed with all the info on the Doctor in S1) who was still alive in one universe & he went on to join the Torchwood team as the control (overseer of the multiverse travelling)
This is one of my favorite episodes because it is just full-on Donna. She's my favorite companion, see a lot of myself in her (hate my own guts and have no self-esteem lol).
I always think in this episode, that London despite being destroyed would have been empty like it was when we first met Wilfred in Voyage of the Damned, everyone scarpered, and in this timeline that was a very good idea.
There are a couple of plotholes to be honest. In Voyage of the Damned, it's said the Titanic's engines will destroy all of Earth, but here it only destroyed London. And the Carrionites from Shakespeare Code, they were going to destroy Earth and would have if the Doctor wasn't there. But Earth is fine. So what happened? And also, if the Doctor hadn't met Donna, why would he be involved in the Racnoss? Donna appearing on the TARDIS is the only reason he discovers it.
Well, for there to have been a Saxon, the Doctor would have needed to survive his fight with the Racnoss so he could eventually go to the furthest future to meet Professor Yana, sooo...
Harriet Jones would still be prime minister.
@@jdeang3531 She would have been deposed either way. Remember, she was ousted via the Doctor BEFORE he even met Donna. And this is the Christmas after the Sycorax one. The proof is the radio transmission to the tank troupes positioned to take on the web star. The radio message said "Orders from Mr. Saxon: FIRE!" Saxon just wouldn't have existed in the first place to even be her replacement had the Doctor not survived the Racnoss in order to meet Yana.
I'm watching you watch this, and seeing how depressing things are without the doctor, it's really a secondary point of this episode, the primary point is to establish that Donna is important, but secondly, it points out how much of a difference the doctor makes. We get that he saves the planet/universe or whatever in various stories, but seeing the actual results if he fails cements the importance of his actions (and the fact that the the people he had contact with, were the only ones that were able to stop the other stuff without him, is also significant)
It's a doctor light episode, but like most of them, the doctor is of course a major presence in them.
This is right up there as one of my top episodes of all time.
I’ve watched this quite a few times over the years, and this is the first time I realized the Tardis dropped Donna off in the wrong place. Of course.
Except, she always takes you where you NEED to go.
chan do, that is her. first time seeing someone notice.
I can't tell you enough how appreciative I am for the subtitles you put into the muted sections.
Thank you! I'm glad they're appreciated as they do take a little bit of extra effort. So, it's nice to know it's not just wasted time. :)
Midnight, a mostly Donna free episode and Turn Left, an episode centered around her. Catherine Tate did such an amazing job this episode. Sylvia usually annoys me with her attitude towards Donna, but in this episode you can sense the depression, she has given up hope. It's more than any disappointment in her daughter but the entire situation weighing her down.
God bless Bernard Cribbins. Such a talent 😢
A world without the Doctor, is a world full of death, destruction and sadness.
At the time this was aired, I had a special friend, so nice memories of this season. She moved away however, and changed when I saw her again…nice to dip into it again, your first views mean so much 😊to me
It was great to see rose again, the mentions of Sarah jane, and Clyde and Maria’s death is always sad to think about since they’re just kids.
I didn't realise they mentioned them till now and I watched it when it came out 😂
The "Bad Wolf" reveal gives me full body chills every single time!
So, perhaps one of your patrons has already pointed this out, but when the Italian family is being taken away to the "labour camps", the background music is the Cyberman theme
If it is, it's not the main part of the theme.
@@andrewgwilliam4831 This is what I get for not throwing an "allegedly" in to cover my butt 😅🙃 I remember seeing the comment somewhere once upon a time but now having gone and trying to verify myself... yeah, if even a trace of their leitmotif is actually in there (and now I can't find the textual backing I thought I once had seen), it's tucked away. I can hear some similarities but I'd need a close listen to feel more confident about it now
@mackenziejohnson5200 Lol! To be fair, though, Murray Gold did reuse/repurpose a lot of his music. I think he felt that if something sounded right, he'd use it, regardless of original context.
The fact that if Donna hadn't been with the doctor right after he lost rose he would have died down with the spider creature just hits different. Losing rose absolutely destroyed him. Honestly same.
I love doctor rose in this episode. So good
Obviously, was waiting for this reaction, as it is one of those unique yet great episodes, and really brings Rose back into it.
I've been looking forward to your reaction to this. It's easily one of my favourite 5 episodes, maybe even my number 1.
This is the start to my favourite 3 episode run!
The finale to the best season coming up!
The Titanic would have destroyed more than London. In Voyage of the Damned, the Doctor said the nuclear storm drive would explode and wipe out life on Earth.
there is a kind of spinoff of Rose but there are audio stories. In total are 3 sets of adventures of Rose details about what she did after she got trapped in Pete's world. ❤❤
I'm toying around with the idea of reacting to some Big Finish stories after this upcoming season of NuWho has ended, and The Dimension Canon is definitely something that would be considered for that. :)
ok just let me know if you or any one else want the audios ' cus I have them ❤❤
I cannot recommend “Rose Tyler: The Dimension Cannon” series enough! It has three volumes so far and is a full cast audio series. Billie is incredible in it and it focuses on Rose’s journey through the multiverse. Big Finish can be really hit and miss for me, but this spin off is consistently brilliant and has so many good stories.
It's kind of 'the darkness' in that the stars are going out, but 'the darkness' isn't something in itself.
Very good continuity that the Master never showed up in this alternative timeline. Because the Doctor and Jack never traveled to the end of the universe, the events which restored the Master's memories never happened.
In this timeline, he would have stayed as Professor Yana for the rest of his life, never able to get the Utopia rocket working.
14:45 "Depressing in lots of ways" are the perfect words to describe this episode.
The mystery of donna that still hasn't been answered
9:09 I thought that too for a while but I rewatched Voyage of the damned and they mentioned the ship has a nuclear thing running nuclear stuff and it would explode or something
I quite enjoyed the Sara Jane Adventures. My all time favourite companion of the best Doctor.
I was a bit disappointed Donna fell for this but if she didn't there wouldn't be a story!
The Titanic in this case had a storm drive which was practically a nuclear bomb
The bees were a reference to it happening in real life
Easily one of, if not my favourite episode of the *entire* show!
Just a reminder, the Doctor said if that Titanic hit the Earth,"the nuclear storm explodes and wipes out life on Earth."
It may not be doing so quickly but that Earth is doomed.
"the bees are disappearing ?! ... the bees are disappearing? THE BEES ARE DISAPPEARING!"
Blink is still my favorite episode, but this one is also in the top 5 for sure! Donna is by far my favorite companion. You are watching some of the best Who, ever!
15:23, Yes!! And they usually try to look scientific(?)... but
Excited to see the next few episodes. BEST chunk of episodes in all of doctor who so far imo
I'm excited to revisit them for the first time as I edit them. :)
Can't wait for the next one, and the reunion scene. Hope you watched the titles, as everyone appears first anyway.
hi, well The 10th Doctor died because he refuse to Regenerate, because all this events of the Run a way Bride happend just minutes after he tells his last words to Rose, he was totaly broken ready to give up, if you look into the scene whe the water was comin in he was still and vision fixed and he only reactbwhen Donna tells him that he can stop now,. ❤❤
In the Voyage of The Damned, The Doctor said the Titantic impact would've wiped out the entire planet, so I guess someone actually did something onboard in Donna's Timeline to help.
I’m glad someone else shares this headcanon. Alonso was a good boy, surely he would do something!
9:10 If it came in at orbital velocity it probably would. Given its a space ship it can probably handle re-entry so it would hit the planet with most of its mass intact. The OG titanic weighed over 50,000 tons coming in at orbital velocity, that's like 2*10^16 Jules. Thats more than a 1000 times the energy of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima and in the ballpark of the Tsar Bomb the most powerful nuclear device we ever made. Of course we don't know the exact weight or speed of the space titanic but it was probably enough to take out London and most of the surrounding area if it hit.
Saxon wouldnt have happened since the doctor never went to Utopia with Martha so he'd still be stuck at the end of the universe.
It was a very strange storyline ,with unexpected twists and turns ,but at the end of the day, it worked well .
Realization: In this parallel universe, Pompeii never exploded.
The final 2 eps of this season is still.my alltime favourite episodes. !
I've never liked Rose, my least favorite companion. HOWEVER, I did appreciate how she contributed to the story, and even enjoyed the romance cause I'm a hopeless romantic sucker lmao. Anyways, basically this episode was VERY epic for me and still one of my faves. That Bad Wolf moment at the end still gives me chills
Glad I'm not totally alone with my opinions.
I agree with everything you write.
Will Sarah Jane and Torchwood be on RUclips?
Oh I’m so excited to see your reaction to the upcoming ones!!!
I'm excited to revisit them for the first time as I edit them. :)
I WEEP every time
Oh, you think this episode was depressing, with the European government making jacked up decisions, wait until you see Torchwood Children of Earth, hell toss Miracle Day in there too, RTD can sure depressing the shit out of you sometimes
I have reacted to all of Torchwood over on Patreon. :)
@BritanyBinges Children of Earth was so messed up, right?
A brilliant episode, 1 of my most favourites from all of NuWho.
You are getting a great reunion
10:02 Think of it this way, almost a fifth of the UK's pop-ups lives in London, which also means something approximatiolng that much of its housing. And it sounds like most of southeastern England has been displaced, which is where the majority of their population is. America doesn't have that much of a population concentration, and 7 million people being forced to relocate at once would overwhelm us. Canada... I'm not as familiar with Canada's situation, but I suspect it's closer to Britain's as regards concentration. On the other hand, I suspect the US would be more willing to take on a bunch of displaced Canadians than France would be too take on a bunch of displaced Brits.
13:00 Nope, remember that he only got to earth because the Doctor and Martha found him at the end of the universe. Doctor was already dead before that happened in this timeline, and Martha for that matter. No one to wake the Master up. No way back in time if he woke up on his own.
OMG the next two episodes i CAN'T WAIT to see your reactions 😊😊😊
I'm excited to revisit them for the first time as I edit them. :)
Oh you are going to love Rose's ending she gets a great ending.
Answer: Torchwood
Answer to what question? lol
I love the premise of this episode, but I just don't enjoy the episode as made. There's just something about the tone of it that's really grating to me, and unfortunately Billie Piper just doesn't feel like Rose (although she's closer to her by the end). Seems to be a fairly popular one with most fans, though.
Make sense they do heap a lot on. They want a conflict and to keep upping the stakes and they can too far at times.
But I think it makes sense of well if he doesn't save it who does. Torchwood, someone else. Events that just happen. And other changes happen.
The tone is dark while not being graphic of course for fair reasons as a family show. Or what events happen. I would say oh the doctor doesn't have to save everything but I mean hmm I guess in certain earth events many of them would turn out that way I guess..... Not sure.
I do agree Rose is a bit different but I guess because of time since Series 2 and 4 she changed due to what happens in her world, or it's been time seen acting for this role so it comes across different. But yeah by the end it is very Rose of before.
It kind of makes sense but yes is a bit odd.
Now you know what Catherine Tate was doing when David was doing Midnight.
The Darkness? I love that band.😊
I still can't believe they made the most depressive episode in a kid's show
Here we go 😊
A message to lead me here.
Bad Wolf.
I really like this episode - as depressing as it is increasingly gets, I think it does a great job of raising the stakes and showing what a world without the Doctor would be like.
Unfortunately, I think this is where S4 peaks for me. Really not a fan of the finale 2-parter (unpopular opinion, I know).
1:05 Chan, Chantho, THO, not whatever.
Been waiting for this
This episode is amazing, although I'm looking forward to Doctor Who Infinity War and Doctor Who Endgame.
Lol was the Unit guy Rollo from Vikings?
I've seen Vikings, but I don't remember thinking anyone from this episode looked like him. I may have just missed him, though.
Spiders on her back is a call back from the classic era planet of the spiders with the 3rd Doctor.
Please refrain from sharing details about Classic Who as I am reacting to it as well.
@@BritanyBinges I sorry I was trying not too give too much away spoilers
This will come up as somewhat controversial this was my least favourite episode only because it didn't feature much of the Doctor in it there's alot of fans who don't mind it but for me personally i prefer it when the Doctor is there because it feels like I'm watching a different show when he's not but I understand Tennant wasn't available during filming it's one of those episodes I don't often look back on.
I wasn't the biggest Rose fan I was happy with how they ended with her in Series 2 I feel when they bring old companions back it kind of ruins their arc and impact i feel she was just there for the sake of fan service but that's just my opinion I'd rather they just left her as she was i mean i liked Rose for awhile but i felt she had a much better chemistry with Christopher's Doctor than with David's because their wasn't this whole romantic relationship between those two which i hated, it was more of an uncle and niece relationship, Billie Piper later admitted she had actually forgotten how to play Rose and it kind of shows here because she's not the same Rose we knew her when she was a regular companion she felt like an entirely different character almost.
The beetle on Donna's back is a callback to a Classic Who story which I won't name incase you plan on watching this particular classic story and one of my favourites.
you're totally wrong
After all this time I still miss Rose 🌹
Same! I absolutely adore some of the future companions (maybe more so than Rose, to be honest) but, like the 9th Doctor, Rose will always have a special place in my heart since she was my first companion.
@@BritanyBinges I feel the same way😂
Ok, there is one thing that's always infuriated me, and I know, I'm probably VERY alone with this issue. But maybe someone could help me finally clear this up once and for all:
14:01 This is the way, I've always known how to salute someone...
Why does Wilf ALWAYS salute differently? 😡😡😫😫
It looks SO DUMB with the palm forwards. The other person is SHOWING you, how to do it. It's like a response. So, why can't he just salute back normally? Equally? What the heck is going on there?
😅
Excuse me for maybe being ignorant or for sucking at history. Sometimes I'm ocd with these things. But because Wilf ALWAYS did this, it started to infuriate me at some point.....
Omg you’re reaction to the next 2 episodes are gunna be SO GOOD!!! I disliked rose in series 2 and her love for the doctor, so our opinions to rose returning are totally opposite lol! Just the usual question for you, where bouts in classic are you now? 😊
I'm recording parts 2 and 3 for The Dæmons is season 8 tonight.
@@BritanyBinges ah cool. The master….again!!! Haha at least roger delgado is like the best master ever!
Such a good episode. No idea there was Rose audio dramas or books or so. But comments say so. Make sense. Not seen Sarah Jane Adventures so interesting that bit. A turn of events indeed. A bit too much of wrongs but it makes a point even if heaped on. I don't remember what the bees point was a I remember the stars and other details for some reason. The next two episodes work to continue this. But yep Rose jumping dimensions just like Series 2 hmm how does she do that this time compared to the other jumping devices. I literally don't remember.
Oh right Chan tho huh. Just like Martha in Series 2 then companion status. They do reuse the actors which makes sense but the makeup and role changes. Good spotting didn't realise.
Ah Torchwood how S1&2 were good, 3 was garbage for 5-6 episodes I wanted to skip it but watched it all to witness and complete how bad it was, and 4 I stopped watching I was so bored of it and not enjoying the writing or characters.
Torchwood Children of earth was bad? There weren't even 6 episodes in it
How could you not finish season 4? It was epic! And suspenseful as hell. I don't understand 😂
You didn't need to watch sarah jane for this or the next episodes its not as relevant as they must have made it out to be
I disagree. They mentioned multiple SJA characters in this that I wouldn't have had a clue who they were otherwise. I mean, Maria and Clyde were just a quick reference so that wouldn't have been a huge deal to not get the reference (although it's more enjoyable that I did), but the Trickster is literally the one responsible for the entire episode. I would've been lost and confused at the end and it would've definitely made me like the episode a little less. And that's not even going into the tie-ins in the finale story.