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Buy And Re-Sell Someone Else’s Firewood? Right Or Wrong?
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- Опубликовано: 3 фев 2024
- We are officially out of ready to burn firewood for our indoor burning customers and had a repeat customer put in an order so we had to buy someone else’s firewood to fill the order
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Its called business.
I pay your price for your products it becomes my products.
What i do with my products after that is none of your business!
Both parties profited, customer was satisfied, everybody's happy that' a good day in my world!!!!
We have found that producing firewood and delivering firewood is two separate business. It is impossible to produce 300 cords a year than turn around and delivery that ( with just yourself). We exclusively flip firewood now, roughly 300 cords a year we have three suppliers they produce firewood for us we buy it sell it.
Buying a product and selling it for a profit is Business 101. Your rationale and motive are perfectly reasonable.There are a few people out there who never want to see anyone else make a dime. You're happy, Matt is happy. Your customer is happy. Sounds like it worked out well. Love your content. I always appreciate your CPA point of view... although you bean counters can drive me nuts... Ha!
Yeah delivering to those rich people in their McMansions, they can afford the price hike anyways.........
Reselling goods is what most retail stores have done forever. I started reselling bulk landscaping mulch in 1996 out of the back of the gas station I owned (where, by the way, I resold gasoline refined by someone else). The mulch business grew to the point I split it off to its own location and it continued to grow. At the time I sold the company and retired I was reselling kiln dried firewood as well as mulch. You are correct that there isn’t as much profit reselling as making your own but it is possible to make a living…. Ethically.
So you need a small kiln to dry a cord or two. A solar, wind kiln add 2 dehumidifier’s running on the panels and wind turbine system. Fans and the box is insulated and for a small investment it will pay for itself over time.
This is how I do the vast majority of my sales. Where I live in Texas there is not much supply of hardwood. So I have to get it hauled-in. It’s not economical for the guys I purchase from to try acquiring residential customers in my area. I get it brought in to me on semi-trailers, stock pilot at my Woodyard, and then reload it onto my trailers when it comes time to deliver.
I agree, this is just like the wholesale model. Businesses buy from a wholesaler to sell to their end customers. You provided the extra value by picking up from another area and delivering it to your customer (you added value).
The explanation of that kiln operation was fascinating. Super appreciate the video and his willingness to explain.
Keeping the customer happy.
Sometimes I say. “Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on my behalf”. But other times, I just make it work to keep them happy.
1st to comment from Western North Carolina. I'm jealous of all the nice equipment you have. I do not own a truck. I do not own a splitter. All I have is three chainsaws a bad back and asthma
Well, you are the Bionic Man... so, you got that going for ya.
Retaining the customer is key! Wouldn’t both me and bit. Great job Adam👍👍
Sounds like you came up with a solution to keep your customers happy. Business is business; especially if your customers order more later this year
This is really what wholesalers do!! Great video Adam!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
Adam,
Once again, a great video "ride along" . That's what makes your channel different. You take us along for your adventures to introduce us to other people who are into the same things we are here to learn more about. And of course, we cant help but subscribe to their channel if they have one ! Thanks again from Ohio ! 😊
You are being a smart business man in keeping a repeat customer happy know matter what. I think you made smart move.
Very cool kiln setup, thanks for sharing. Always try to keep the customers happy and they will stay with you.
That was fun to watch. Quite the operation and volume to keep 3 kilns running.
I do the same thing from time to time, with local firewood producers who don't want to deliver. They know I'm reselling, and I'm providing a service they don't want to do so we all benefit.
Good morning Adam, it's no different than going to a grocery store. Say the store chain buys their eggs from a farmer/ producer for $1.00 a dozen. They turn around and sell it in their store for $ 3.00 a dozen. Everybody is happy. ( except the consumer, lol )
Business is business. All retail business is reselling something for a profit. Sometimes you are reselling a finished product and sometimes you are finishing a product out to sell. Quality control and maintaning inventor to meet demand are important. You made the right call and it will pay off. Like the LS.
Excellent video Adam. You need Doug on the task! Shelter Logic brown or black sheds in the late spring to early fall will shorten your seasoning time because the shed will give you the temperature. Now you need the air flow and controled with a humidity gauge at the outflow to tell what the bundle is at to test.
This will speed up the process. Heat is the most expensive factor control that and the other 2 are easy. (Intake and exhaust= air flow) Enjoy
I totally agree with what you said - as long as the person sells his product for his price, you are free to sell it & make money!! Your client got what he needed, & since Matt doesn't supply that area, you didn't step on any toes!! None of us are in business to lose money/do anything for free. This was so interesting!! Matt explained it all so well! You had great questions - really good video, as always!! God bless you and your family! 🙏♥️🙏
Thank you Dianne. Glad you found it interesting
Always say yes to a customer, even if you have to farm out the work.
You sold a product that was not even the same as Matt's - your delivery alone is value added. Good video.
Hey Adam, great video. I have an idea for you to think on…for your sawdust discharge, why not take an IBC bladder, cut the front out of it like a window and then mount it to a pallet, make it easier to handle by machine and contain more of the sawdust/chips?
Nice video! No problem flipping this order at all. One way to look at it is the profit you made was the fee to find the customer and deliver. The higher price for the customer is just the price you have to pay for seasoned wood in January. Worked out for everyone.
You could probably build your own kiln using an old shipping container, wood boiler, and blower for under 25k. But like you said, for a small operation like yours you may be better off just increasing your inventory from the year before.
Btw, I don't think there's anything wrong with selling something that you paid for, if that were the case used cars wouldn't exist and realtors would go out of business.
The best time of year for anyone to buy firewood is spring and that's what you use for next year
Great question Adam. I too sell firewood but not to the scale that you do. Towards the end of the winter season, I have a colleague in which I sell him my firewood at a given price and he too flips it and sells to his customers. I look at it this way, I’m making what I want out of a load of firewood. If he can get more, that’s a win for me and a win for him. It helps two families. I see no wrong in this. It helps unload my inventory and also helps him provide his customer base. So that’s my view from Matt’s perspective. Hope that helps.
Another great video Adam.
As far as the “dilemma” goes, Adam we all purchase products from somebody that has bought them or produced them cheaper than the price we pay for them as the customer. It’s a free market economy 👍🏻👍🏻.
Keep up the great work.
If you are selling it for more you must be adding value.
He gest his price the customer is happy and you make some money.
If he wants more for his wood he should charge more.
I remember the original video of his operation years ago. Still really cool to see. I’ve been thinking about building a kiln. For people with a smaller operation like mine, it would work well. Big enough for about 2 cords. With an cheap oldschool forced hot air wood furnace with a big firebox you could probably get away with one load a day. But twice a day would likely be better for more stable temps inside the kiln. You could definitely do once a day loads with a big boiler and a water to air heat exchanger an dhave very consistent heat output thoughout the 24hr burn. A 20ft shipping container would be the perfect size kiln chamber.
When I started my seasoned firewood business … I bought kiln dried firewood, bundled it and sold it until the first load of wood I had was dry almost 8 months later … after I had enough dry inventory I phased this out … but that’s how I got started.
Good afternoon everyone!…
Adam, if the guy you’re buying it from doesn’t care. Then I say go for it.
Thanks for the tour too
Have a day
This is my first year selling bagged firewood. I live on a very busy road ive sold over 700 bags. I'm buying green cord wood and re splitting and stacking for next year. My guys gives my name out for small quantities.
If he is ok with it,it should not be a problem. Especially if it is not in his service area. In todays market you need to do whatever it takes to maintain a business model. He made his money and you made yours. Have a good one Adam,take care and God Bless!!!❤😊
Hey - re. a prev. Video, you should consider a simple mod to you IBC containers - cut, weld and then hinge the bottoms so you can just pull a pin and drop the whole thing in your trailer.
Like you said Adam - what you do with a product that you purchased is no one else's business. If the sell made his profit - for them it ends there. Stay safe.
You did the right thing. No issues with it at all. Good video 👍
Wow. The houses you delivered the wood to were so palatial. Obviously a very wealthy area.
The subdivision is probably named something like Towering Oaks. My theory is subdivisions are named after what they destroyed to build them. Also, can you imagine what the HOA fees are like? No thanks!
I wouldn't care what you did with it as long as I got what I needed out of it. Enjoyed the video very much it's nice to see different ideas and ways of doing the same job .
What you described is the wholesale business model. Most industries operate that way. Large scale operations often only deal business to business in large quantity. Smaller operations handles the Business to Consumer markets. As long as both parties made a profit they are happy with nothing wrong with flipping some firewood.
Whatever makes a worthwhile, ethical profit is "right" and your supplier may be delighted to have a bulk customer. When your customers buy they are happy. When your suppliers sell to you they are happy. When you turn a dollar you are happy. I learned that from my antique car restorer mentor many decades ago. His business was word of mouth so happy dealings were worth a lot of money.
As a businessman your primary concern is your customer,. On the point of view of your supplier, Where you get your product and for as long as you pay your supplier the money he wants he should not have any influence on how you conduct your business. on the other side (POV of customer) For as long as your customer is satisfied, and/or fulfilled his need and secondly , if the product is equal or better value, then there's nothing wrong with reselling. You are providing a service.
I sell mosty retail firewood in my area. The few wholesale customers i have pick it up in my wood yard, and deliver to their customer. It's only about 20 cords a year. Very easy to sell to them, and would do more of this in the future.
Well, living in South Carolina, there are a lot of tobacco dryers that are not being used because some farmers quit growing tobacco years ago.
And the ones that still do, they just harvest it and sell it off to the corporation to dry and process. Might be something you could look into if you want to kiln dry your own wood.
One I know of near where I live, there are 4 and haven't been used since I moved here in 2011. I think they could be converted to a wood kiln.
It would be nice to have some detailed info on those baskets the skid steer used to load your trailer Adam , that might make a good video itself ... thanks for sharing .
I really enjoyed the thorough kiln portion.
Hey Adam, no it wouldn't bother me one bit. He got his asking price so whatever u do with it shouldn't matter. I have come across people who would be very angry if people did that to them. U aren't doing anything wrong in my eyes. Keep up the content. I watch all you vlogs.👍👍
simple thought....
now that you got that bigger tractor, get a set of forks for the back, carry two baskets at a time from your processing area to the drying area, cut your trips in half save fuel
You can get excellent firewood in January...by ordering it last January. Value-added product upselling or reselling is as old as commerce, itself. Nothing at all wrong with it.
Very interesting video Adam. I don't know why it would bother anybody because that's exactly how wholesaling works. This type of buying and reselling has been going on since the beginning of time. Anyway, stay safe, healthy and warm. Bill H from Cranberry Township
It wouldn’t bother me if someone did that, especially since you discussed it. Also, that was a very nice neighborhood you delivered to. Huge homes.
Great video Adam. In all honesty, every industry has in some way, shape, or form have done or will do what you did. It is a win win, if both parties are in agreement and you did not take away from each others customer, both made a profit, and both are good with the deal being it was fully disclosed on both sides. Interesting to see a large operation kiln and how they work. Great information and insight as well. As always, great content.
Isn't that how business works? As long as the guy selling it is getting his price he shouldn't care. That being said I recently had to buy some ash logs from a guy. He assumed I was burning them for heat. When I told him I was selling the wood and how I sell it and how much I get I could tell he was a little put out that I was making so much more than him. Not enough to get mad but it bugged him. Such is life. Dave
Nobody has a problem up here in Maine with resellers.
Benefits both parties.
I do think your own wood typically looks a bit better than the load you delivered - especially the 2nd smaller jag that looked pretty scrappy and scraggly.
Very interesting video Adam. It's great that your are willing to be flexible in order to keep loyal customers.
Adam, I was wondering if you were thinking about making the same kind of holder that Matt uses it looks a lot easier getting the wood out then a ibc holder maybe 🤔 Doug would fabricate a few of them to test out 😮😊❤
I’m involved in research. We regularly talk about what our service is worth. My conclusion is that it is worth whatever someone will pay for it, and what we are prepared to sell it for. Example I always use is a bottle of water. Pennies from the tap, several cents if you buy a case, and a dollar or more to buy a single bottle. (More if at an airport). And if you were packing gold out of the desert, and you had the last full bottle, my guess is you could trade it for its weight in gold.
So buying and reselling, no problem. With a slight caveat that “profiteering” has a bunch of negative connotations.
What you did to keep a good customer happy, top marks sir.😊
Great video! I always say we can take care of you.. I’m working on poor man’s Kiln let you know when I get it running
Could put up a simple solar kiln near wood yard, maybe 12ft depth x 24ft width and 12ft ceiling height to get 2 rows of 6 pallets of wood and maybe double stack an extra row depending on slope of roof.
Matt’s firewood could try starting with a fuel surcharge for picking up from the mills to offset his cost
Thou shalt not covet! Can’t get angry cause you’ve established a rapport with your customer base and demand a higher dollar that they are willing to pay and are happy with the product. On top of that you went way out of your way just to make sure your customers have the quality they have come to expect from you. Looks like you need to get in the woodyard and get cuttin for next year!
Yep I’ve been slacking this year on the wood
@@HometownAcreswell then maybe the question for you, is whether it’s worth having some help… so you can more or less do the firewood at some higher potential than you are able to achieve with the amount of time you are desiring to actually put in yourself. Making yourself more of a manager than strictly labourer, where you only do a nominal amount of firewood processing yourself, so it doesn’t require all of your attention (all consuming). Maybe a job or two for neighbor’s kid (eventually your own kid).
The buyers and sellers agreed on the respective prices. You did not take a customer from anyone. Happy, happy, happy.
Thank you for the tour. It was very interesting.
Commerce is commerce , you both ought to enjoy the fruits of your labors . The trick is in finding ways to improve your individual processes
I’d have zero issues if you were buying from me and reselling at a higher price. As long as I get what I want for it, heck buy as much as you want.
As long as you are not poaching his customer base there should be no issues. IMO
If someone can poach a customer despite the increased cost of another middleman markup, you, the original producer, need to question your sales/marketing efforts. Maybe consider being the wholesale producer? Hire the poacher? Raise prices?
Even if he was poaching someone else's customer base that's capitalism... That's what you're supposed to do. Not taking their customers would be unethical and possibly illegal because it is cartel behavior and raises prices for consumers unnaturally, which is anti-competitive.
It's business, if his customers want to switch providers, they can!
No such thing as “his” customer, they are consumers of a product and if they can acquire it cheaper that makes them a smart consumer..
Loved the video. I wouldn’t care if someone bought my wood and resold. As you said I’d be getting my asking price so all would be good on my end.
In the past I’ve sold my firewood to resellers. It’s great I hate deliveries and dealing with customers. Definitely a win win!
Awesome video. I really enjoyed it, learned a lot! I'm from PA
Thank you for showing this type of video! This is awesome!! A more indepth version of how its made!!!
Having a few high volume professional customers is much easier to manage than a bunch of retail customers who might or might not know about what they are talking about.
Love the video. I've mentioned this before on a few videos, and I see it here again - the music is SO LOUD compared to the narration and I have to constantly adjust volume and it kills my ears with headphones. Adjusting volume to be fairly equal across the video is so nice for viewers.
We have other firewood sellers purchase our kiln dried firewood for the very same reason, to keep their customers as repeats. We have no problem with that. We operate an electric kiln that processes 2 cords at a time.
The kiln dryers are very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I learned I will just be happy to buy. 👍🙂 And I learned more about the best time to buy, haha
Nothing wrong with what you are doing! Oh buy the way, I’m setting up a roadside stand. $18.50 a load.😂
As long as you’re buying it from my stand for $20 I don’t care what you do with it after lol! 😬
@@HometownAcres hahahaha ok, I’ll have to mark it up a bit then.
Excellent video. You should have taken neighbor Doug with you to check out the kilns. What an interesting business.
There is a chanel in the uk called oak farm firewood he built his own kilns and he puts his wood in IBC totes and he uses waste wood
Keeping market share is important. 👍
Reselling is what every company does, some stuff goes through a lot of people from producer to consumer. Track a side of beef from farm to fork..Bet you get at least 5 stops and price adjustments.
Thanks for the vid on the firewood kilns.
Interesting field trip!
Very interesting, Adam. Enjoyed the new perspective.
You need those swinging front panels on your totes!
You sir have a bright future.
Two questions: Do you write the date on the baskets you move into the drying yard, or do you just keep track of that mentally? And I'd like to know how they get the ash out of the kilns and what they do with it. They surely generate quite a bit.
It would be tough to mentally keep track. But I usually can go back to videos and see when certain baskets were made. Writing dates on the totes would work as well
Adam, I read through the comments and many agree. I on the other hand , have an issue. When a person asks ," can you help me out, I have a need ?" . And you help fulfill that need, only to find out you have been duped on what you gave has been sold for a profit.
BUT, in the end, lessons are learned.
That's just my opinion.
So I should have driven 5 hours that day for free?
@@HometownAcres No, Adam, in your situation, Matt knew EXACTLY what you were doing,..."buying"and selling his product. I was commenting on the fact of "being taken advantage of",or being misled. If you PAY for the product,.. at their cost, I don't have any problem with reselling to cover your own cost, but if the product was "given" to you, and you sell it to make a profit, then yes, I have an issue. That's what I believe.
great video, the guy with the kiln was very informative
Back in the 90's when I was raising hay a man bought a few hundred bales and I thought nothing of it. After the county fair he came by with a blue ribbon he won WITH MY HAY. SOB was a dealer and using my hay to show quality was selling junk hay at a premium price.
Now that’s shady
@@floatpool8307 I just sold my manufacturing company and retired. If I sold something I built it. No exceptions. It's called honor.
That's business. I worked at a Sears Automotive Center. We'd add a 40% mark-up on all parts that we acquired from OEM dealers or aftermarket parts houses.
Once again great content. Had no idea how much a kiln cost.
Those were used?
Sunday morning viewer here ~ Last summer I ran out of dry wood August 1st. My first whole sale account wanted more Bundles....in the panic I decided to buy a cord from another person in another town. He and his young boy's were happy and I tipped the boy's for helping load my trailer...it was a fun experience. This spring I will make contact with him again, should I tell him up front that I am flipping his wood. IDK??? In the end it worked for all of us, however this summer I may run out of wood again (a good problem with a dilemma, LOL) so I believe it is good to have a network of woodhounds like Hometown Acres has built. Also want to do my first real youtube video with all the Kool editing and music...Hahahaha on my channel now I have a couple of shorts. Keith aka CBJ
Awesome video Adam! And, those firewood baskets though! 🔥🔥🔥
Great video. I bought a wood furnace last winter to build my own firewood kiln which i need to do yet. I know how i want to build it but want to have it in the right location to make loading it and unloading cages easy to do and make sure its the right size to stack cages in but still have room for fans. also need to have dry storage shed to keep the dry firewood out of the rain til its delivered and sold
That was a very interesting video as others have mentioned.👍👍🇺🇸
You are providing a service to your customer and maintaining a relationship by providing what they need/want. "Farming out" some of the process isn't cheating, it's fulfilling your obligation to your customer.