Interesting. I've been vegan for over 15 years now. I did recently have what some may call a spiritual revelation. It actually only strengthened my opinion on this subject ✌️🙏💞
Spot on with the spirituality being connected to narcissism point. One has to be quite the sniffer of their own farts to genuinely believe that the universe has some grand cosmic plan laid out just for them.
I mean.. I think it does for everyone. The universe or our higher selves or whatever you want to call it is way more complex than any of us can comprehend
I called this one a long time ago. He was an apologetic "vegan" at best and had woowoo tendencies. Pro-tip: if a "vegan" only talks about themselves when they talk about veganism, they're not vegan and will almost surely call themselves "ex-vegan" later. Veganism isn't about us, it's about the animals, it's ONLY about the animals.
I never thought of it that way but, yeah, that’s better than what I have done. I have tended to look back at myself before going vegan with disgust because I made all the lame excuses albeit in my own head, not out loud. I rarely allowed the reality of the factory farms and slaughterhouses to invade my headspace back then. It’s my abiding regret.
His muse told me a completely different story. She meant “eat dog poop”, but he refused to heed the advice and decided to eat something similar as a substitute. Now, she’s very upset and heartbroken. She’s inconsolable!!!
I’ve taken psychedelics many times in my life, it puts in you touch with the real you. With a little psychosis if you overdo it. I wasn’t vegan at the time but, I can’t imagine how taking psychedelics would lead someone to be more heartless. It’s antithetical to how psychedelics deepen your connection to the earth and to life in general. This is ridiculous 😅
well, its his journey and it shouldnt be the same as yours. Move on with your life and stop wanting people to follow what you follow. That is very narcissistic even if to you is completely heartless.
@@johanvoellner1849 If we want to criticise Charlie thats our journey. Move on with your life and stop wanting people to not criticise Charlie. Thats very narcissistic of you. Just let us do our thing and stay out of our business
@@puxeable first step of the narcissist when confronted is to shout "you are the narcissist!". I agree with the cause, but shaming people or forcing others to think like you wont attract the smart ones to the cause, only the reactive ones. The equivalent of the people that spray paint on a van gogh to draw attention to the climate cause.
There’s an easy way of checking if you’re a monster or not. Just talk though your thought process in plain English without using any euphemisms. “I heard a voice that told me that it wants me to violently exploit the bodies of sentient victims, so I did.” Yeah he’s definitely a monster.
9:07 I can relate to empathizing with birds. One landed on my side mirror. We looked at eachother for a few seconds. Then they flew off. I thought about how crazy it was I used to eat birds almost everyday when they're a person living in their body just like us. Chickens are birds.
@@erickgreen2361 I don't believe chickens or other birds have to possess a human mind to not pay for them to be killed. It's a known fact they feel pain, and I don't want to cause them unnecessary pain, so I'm vegan✌
Honestly, why does everyone think vegans have to put animals at the same level as humans in order to not abuse them? It is not that at all. Just honor their sentience and know that your heart does not want to cause unnecessary pain and suffering. I can look into my dogs eyes and know that she loves me in whatever way a dog does. I dont need to se in her brain to know this. I bring her to the vet because i know when she is in pain. I know when she is hungry, so i feed her. I actually can tell by her voice when she finds a small creature in the back yard and i can go intervene. Animals are talking. You just have to stop and listen. I dont expect my dog to drive my car but i know when she wants a cuddle and when she wants to be left alone. I know how proud she is of her pups because she comes to get me before a feeding. Honestly, if you look at humans and what we contribute, i think we are actually the worst animals on the planet as we are the only ones destroying the earth @erickgreen2361
@@1auntievenom Modern crop agriculture is the main threat to biodiversity and not animal agriculture. You honor their sentience by devouring their flesh. It's annoying having to hear you vegans falsely equating animal agriculture to abuse....
@@ColburnClark Why should it be necessary to buy supplements from Amazon and other corporations? There isn't anything unnecessary about animal agriculture....
I would argue that spirituality should reduce your ego and increase your compassion and feelings of relation to other beings. If it's a spirituality worth having that is, veganism should be a no brainer.
I'm looking forward to the movie soon to be released by Kip Andersen, Christspiracy. It asks the simple question, "How would Jesus kill an animal?", relating to the spiritual questions (perhaps moral) about eating animals.
You get it, and you have the ability to communicate it beautifully. I am so glad you have this venue to share your knowledge and understanding of the animals and their immense suffering. Nowhere to go, nowhere to hide, no rights, no love only their silent pleas that go vastly unheard.
I call BS... I'm not going to pretend his position isn't anything more than just an excuse to do what he wants (pleasure) without taking ownership of the abuse/harm he is inflicting on innocent sentient animals. This isn't anything different than the excuse that meat-eaters make to justify not going vegan.
@@alejandroc7357 actually in the garden, no animals ate other animals. That didn't start happening until the Great Fall (sin), then after the Great Flood (when plants were not available) it was OK to eat dead animals out of necessity. I think we can all agree, just because somthing has been done for many many years doesn't make it right. Murder, slavery, things happening for centuries doesn't make it right.
@@terkfranks1538 yeah so are you telling me its wrong that a wolf eats a rabbit in the wild? Or a lion eating a gazelle? Dont forget that we are animals too. Those same plants will eat us one day. Why is this hard for vegans to accept? I will say ive gotten more involved in trying to garden and eat more locally grown vegetables and meat. It is a respect issue. I hate how large commercial farms treat their animals. Let me ask you this. Is it wrong for me to get chickens? I dont ever plan on butchering them. I will take care of them and make sure they are healthy. All i want is 🥚. Is that so wrong?
@@alejandroc7357 we are not wolves, we are not lions. Wolves and lions don't have the option to shop at the local market. Let's start by understanding we don't look to wild animals to determine what our moral behavior should or shouldn't be. Let's also understand that we do not need to eat meat/dairy in order to be healthy and thrive. Lastly, there is no humane or ethical way to needlessly hurt/harm/abuse/slaughter an innocent animal. I personally do not eat eggs because they are very unhealthy and the egg industry abuses animals, not the least is the way they throw the live male chickens into a wood chipper (because they aren't "meat chickens" and cannot produce eggs). I'm not judging other people as I also ate meat/dairy for many many years, until I stopped making excuses and decided to consciously work towards having my actions align with my morals/ethics. ✌️
@@terkfranks1538 Humans are predators and it is healthy for predators to consume flesh. It is immoral to shame predators for consuming since that is what they're supposed to do...
I followed him for a long time but now i feel like he has stagnated - then regressed and we have outgrown him. I don't listen to him anymore. He's way out of touch with people, animals and... Reality i guess. Don't do drugs kids.
its not the psychedelics its his brain. psychedelics will show you what you wanna see. because its just a chemical reaction in the brain and nothing spiritual is real
The 'spiritual ex-vegan' trend always makes me feel self-conscious about being a spiritual Vegan. I don't plan to ever betray the animals the way these people have, but I do worry people will *perceive* me as an unreliable Vegan due to my spirituality.
Well said natalie. One quibble though: you said “You can feel grateful for what they have provided you but that gratitude does not make taking their life moral.” I think your word choice here is sub-optimal, because “providing” used in this context implies a voluntary act of giving, as opposed to an involuntary imposition of having something stolen. This is the cognitive equivocation carnists like Harper use to elicit the emotion of “gratitude” irrationally so as to feel better about their exploitative violence. You CAN feel gratitude when you steal something from someone but only by twisting the interaction in your mind as something it is not- an act of self-sacrificial charity on the animal’s part rather than theft on your part. (Everything else in your video was beautifully stated.)
So he went from basing his morality on a sense of social hierarchy (not wanting to be one of the "bad people") to enshrining his intuition as the center of his own moral universe? Talk about ego. I'm sympathetic to a lot of what he has to say, but an unwillingness to self-evaluate-to question the validity of one's preexisting beliefs and feelings-is the death of any kind of genuine intellectual life. This kind of self-absorption is the antithesis of true spirituality. If you invest every thought and feeling that bubbles-up from your subconscious with unquestioned authority, then you've foreclosed on even the possibility of error, and have lost touch with reality. It sounds like his previous system of morality had become so thoroughly divorced from the actual source of moral value (other beings), that it had lost any sense of genuine meaning. Like a ritual whose original purpose has long-since been forgotten, maintained only out of obligation. Then he has this incredible psychedelic experience that puts him in direct contact with something that by comparison seems profoundly meaningful. It really isn't surprising that his old moral system succumbed under that epistemic load. I hope that in time he comes to see that this "intuition" morality is just as hollow as his procedural one, and rediscovers a genuine connection with other beings.
Whenever someone talks in the language of spirituality and journeys as the reason they "care" about sentient individuals ......... it's almost guaranteed that they've never been vegan.
so in case anyone was wondering - you can't buy creativity in a box, *but*, lucky for us humans, we can buy a stake, and we know stake equals access to creativity. thanks for solving that one for me, charlie ✅
A lot of people feel they can't really be themselves if they restrict any part of their "selfhood." I've known people who decided Jesus was telling them he wanted them to eat meat and wear a skirt; actually, I don't know of anywhere in Scripture where Jesus tells people how to eat and dress. On the other hand, Charlie isn't really getting any karma points from eating animals, because with every animal he eats he's consuming that animal's fear: all the adrenaline, all the cortisol, all the stress hormones.
This was such an informative situation, and a nice complement to the library of "spiritual ex vegans." It's worth characterizing from a sociological standpoint...the patterns are becoming really clear; logically, that should mean we can prevent spiritual ex-veganism from happening.
Wow - the whole disconnect starting with "I was a pescatarian but then I started eating meat" as if fish is not "meat".....but just wow...these "journey" stories that are supposed to be beautiful and insightful in reality are so repugnant and cringy.....
A lot of times in psychedelic experiences, you think that God is speaking, but it’s actually the ego’s voice. It’s very risky to engage with that “voice”… as someone who has a lot of experience with psychedelics, I can say yes absolutely it can inflate your ego and narcissism if you don’t constantly observe yourself and take accountability. You have to be extremely careful and constantly go inwards in self observation. Always listening inward and watching your own ego. All of those entities, goddesses, whatever… ignore them. Over time, a silent voice will nudge you. God’s voice is silent. It’s not dramatic. With veganism for me, it has usually been subtle nudges and signs around me that make me open my eyes.. even if I fall off, it comes back if I am quiet and listening and open. The spiritual path requires great humility and unfortunately the young folks (especially with youtube channels lol) think they have the answers. The ones who have seen (the truth) don’t speak. The ones who speak haven’t seen (the truth). I am someone who started eating meat again after joining a spiritual community that didn’t cater to “special diet preferences.” Even after 2 years of veganism, my meat and dairy addiction was still very strong, so I used the community to enjoy eating animal products again and shut my eyes. But truly it was my addiction acting out. I felt guilty but since everyone around me said it was okay, I convinced myself of it and forgot all the vegan points. This year I was guided to come back to veganism. I think if we are honest and say “I am battling a lifelong addiction to meat and animal products,” we are getting somewhere to recovery. But if we use spirituality and the universe to justify the addiction while secretly craving and indulging those foods, we are out of alignment..
He was repressing his desire to eat meat and that never ends well. To get it out of your system you have to go to the source, full fledged animals in this case, and see if you can source it yourself. If you are disconnected from the Source it´s easy to just go back and forth.
The X-tarians are very permisible when they choose wt to eat. No X-tarian is consistent with theyr own claims... they eat wtv they want when they "need" to.
Natalie- Would you please add a link in your description for the source of the on screen text at this part of your video? I tried the other ones that you originally posted there. I would like to cite it in my debates on line. Thanks so much! ruclips.net/video/3ii19yO4BJw/видео.html
I would also love a source for this - everything I've read suggests humans are very bad at converting ALA into EPA and especially DHA - tried looking for this article but can't find it.
@@mcmcpoi-ra7405 From what I have ascertained, *some* people are bad at converting ALA to EPA and DHA. Personally, to cover my bets, I take an algae based supplement for those long chain omega 3's. I am in my mid 60's and I want to make sure I have enough for maximum brain support as I get older.
Back in the day, when Google searches were still working, one could google for complete texts. It's a bit work, though, since you have to type it either manually, or screenshot the video & then put it in Google Lens & mark the text. I just did the second option & found the article on the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine website. I'll reply with the link separately in case RUclips will delete or shadow-ban my comment due to the link.
@@biancat.1873 It's OK, Google is working: "The American Medical Association (AMA) has issued several strong public rebukes of PCRM, including a 1991 statement in Newsweek by the AMA's senior vice president for science and medical education, who said: “They are neither responsible nor are they physicians.” The most scathing AMA critique of PCRM was rescinded in ..." Very convincing...
He changed his mind on veganism. Happens all the time. Don't see the need for an excuse? Isn't there a study out there showing 84% of vegans can't sustain the diet? It's not like he's an outlier.
I can’t stand the “spiritual” movement. From what I’ve seen of it, it’s just a BS excuse for being totally selfish. “My” journey. “My” truth. “My” bullshit.
Why is it getting so popular to us the term “narcissism” _(which entails a whole bunch of specific overlapping personality traits, viewpoints about the self, and intrapersonal reactions that become externalized as harmful interpersonal actions in the majority - if not all- close/closeish relationships one has w/ others)_ in place of “arrogant”? It doesn’t make your argument or criticism sound stronger…
@alabar9795 Right, so it’d be alright for someone to kill you and consume your body, even if they could easily avoid doing so, because its a transfer of energy, and that is the natural way of life? Is that right or should people try to avoid violently exploiting the bodies of sentient victims when they can?
Okay super weird. I’ve tripped. I work on myself daily learning myself pondering wondering thinking etc. and I’ve had some pretty deep or intense convos but wtf is this guy doing lmao
Psychedelics are super overrated. People's "revelations" are just pure emotional nonsense atleast half the time and produce nothing good or harm you. I'm sick of hearing people ramble about the things they saw or learned, like all you are doing is demonstrating to me that you were never a logical person in the first place and make your opinions purely on how you feel about it, psychedelics just made the emotional ties for you.
Psychedelics amplify and magnify our emotions which can be very useful if we understand the process of working through them with reflection instead of getting tangled in a delusional state from them.
They're a tool, to be used carefully and responsibly. If you take them without knowing what they are and what they're doing it can lead to bad things, but if done correctly they're amazing for so many things
Yeah they are like modern art - splashing primary colours over a canvas and leaving the experiencer to interpret a meaning - any meaning they want. Or tea leaves, or numerology, or cloud watching or star gazing...
I don’t bash vegan’s because everyone has their own way of life, vegans need to understand not everyone is gonna agree with them. I certainly don’t and that doesn’t make me some animal abuser. Respect for others views is how we advance society. It seems lately all these animal rights groups just want chaos because they can’t take the fact that people disagree with them.
If you consume animal products, you pay for animals to be tortured every day. That's what makes you an animal abuser. Why should we respect anyone who chooses to harm animals when they don't need to?
@@Natalie.Fulton The fact is if you do your part, you should be satisfied, but you’re not because you’re a petty tyrant. There’s a difference between trying to make a difference and trying to push your own beliefs upon others. I don’t believe it’s torture to butcher animals into food because they actually kill the animal before slicing it open, but I’m not gonna try to push my interpretations on others because I don’t like it when it’s done to me. It’s called respect for a reason, learn it.
Interesting.
I've been vegan for over 15 years now.
I did recently have what some may call a spiritual revelation.
It actually only strengthened my opinion on this subject ✌️🙏💞
Spot on with the spirituality being connected to narcissism point. One has to be quite the sniffer of their own farts to genuinely believe that the universe has some grand cosmic plan laid out just for them.
I mean.. I think it does for everyone. The universe or our higher selves or whatever you want to call it is way more complex than any of us can comprehend
I called this one a long time ago. He was an apologetic "vegan" at best and had woowoo tendencies. Pro-tip: if a "vegan" only talks about themselves when they talk about veganism, they're not vegan and will almost surely call themselves "ex-vegan" later. Veganism isn't about us, it's about the animals, it's ONLY about the animals.
well said!
Plus it sounds like he was eating fish the whole time and wasn't even plant based
💯 That's why they have the label wfpb as an alternative.
Since going vegan I never thought I was better than anyone else. But I know for sure I’m a better person than I used to be before going vegan.
I never thought of it that way but, yeah, that’s better than what I have done.
I have tended to look back at myself before going vegan with disgust because I made all the lame excuses albeit in my own head, not out loud. I rarely allowed the reality of the factory farms and slaughterhouses to invade my headspace back then. It’s my abiding regret.
His muse told me a completely different story. She meant “eat dog poop”, but he refused to heed the advice and decided to eat something similar as a substitute. Now, she’s very upset and heartbroken. She’s inconsolable!!!
- Taste, tho.
- Come on, be more creative...
- Creativity, tho.
No, go back
Im so glad you inserted the journey journey journey clip
Thank you so much for being a voice of reason and logic 💖💖💖
Great video Natalie ❤
Excellent video & analysis! 💚💚💚
Great video Natalie. Love the new 4k quality!
I’ve taken psychedelics many times in my life, it puts in you touch with the real you. With a little psychosis if you overdo it. I wasn’t vegan at the time but, I can’t imagine how taking psychedelics would lead someone to be more heartless. It’s antithetical to how psychedelics deepen your connection to the earth and to life in general. This is ridiculous 😅
well, its his journey and it shouldnt be the same as yours. Move on with your life and stop wanting people to follow what you follow. That is very narcissistic even if to you is completely heartless.
@@johanvoellner1849 If we want to criticise Charlie thats our journey. Move on with your life and stop wanting people to not criticise Charlie. Thats very narcissistic of you. Just let us do our thing and stay out of our business
@@puxeable wow so creative you turned it around! "My journey is to criticize other people and force them into my journey! hahahaha
@@puxeable first step of the narcissist when confronted is to shout "you are the narcissist!". I agree with the cause, but shaming people or forcing others to think like you wont attract the smart ones to the cause, only the reactive ones. The equivalent of the people that spray paint on a van gogh to draw attention to the climate cause.
plants are living things. for man to live things have to die
There’s an easy way of checking if you’re a monster or not.
Just talk though your thought process in plain English without using any euphemisms.
“I heard a voice that told me that it wants me to violently exploit the bodies of sentient victims, so I did.”
Yeah he’s definitely a monster.
12:00 The end goal of spirituality is power and control.
'I'm eating animals to be more creative' never heard that one
The fact that spirituality is rejeting veganism is definitive proof that veganism is the right choice.
Followed him a while ago. Looking back, it's very apparent how narcissistic his advice and content are. This checks out.
9:07 I can relate to empathizing with birds. One landed on my side mirror. We looked at eachother for a few seconds. Then they flew off. I thought about how crazy it was I used to eat birds almost everyday when they're a person living in their body just like us. Chickens are birds.
Chicken and other birds do not posses a human mind or anything close to it. You're merely projecting yourself onto them.....
@@erickgreen2361 I don't believe chickens or other birds have to possess a human mind to not pay for them to be killed. It's a known fact they feel pain, and I don't want to cause them unnecessary pain, so I'm vegan✌
Honestly, why does everyone think vegans have to put animals at the same level as humans in order to not abuse them? It is not that at all. Just honor their sentience and know that your heart does not want to cause unnecessary pain and suffering. I can look into my dogs eyes and know that she loves me in whatever way a dog does. I dont need to se in her brain to know this. I bring her to the vet because i know when she is in pain. I know when she is hungry, so i feed her. I actually can tell by her voice when she finds a small creature in the back yard and i can go intervene.
Animals are talking. You just have to stop and listen. I dont expect my dog to drive my car but i know when she wants a cuddle and when she wants to be left alone. I know how proud she is of her pups because she comes to get me before a feeding.
Honestly, if you look at humans and what we contribute, i think we are actually the worst animals on the planet as we are the only ones destroying the earth @erickgreen2361
@@1auntievenom Modern crop agriculture is the main threat to biodiversity and not animal agriculture. You honor their sentience by devouring their flesh. It's annoying having to hear you vegans falsely equating animal agriculture to abuse....
@@ColburnClark Why should it be necessary to buy supplements from Amazon and other corporations? There isn't anything unnecessary about animal agriculture....
I would argue that spirituality should reduce your ego and increase your compassion and feelings of relation to other beings. If it's a spirituality worth having that is, veganism should be a no brainer.
Never understood why you people think suicide is a good idea....
I'm looking forward to the movie soon to be released by Kip Andersen, Christspiracy. It asks the simple question, "How would Jesus kill an animal?", relating to the spiritual questions (perhaps moral) about eating animals.
Bingo. Im probably on the monkhood route via Deer Park Monastery, which is famously plant based and vegan friendly
Great video! Love your content! 👍🏽
this is one of the craziest things I heard from "spiritual" ex-'vegans'
Such an interesting video 🙏
You get it, and you have the ability to communicate it beautifully. I am so glad you have this venue to share your knowledge and understanding of the animals and their immense suffering. Nowhere to go, nowhere to hide, no rights, no love only their silent pleas that go vastly unheard.
I've never heard of most of these "Ex-vegans". Before I even watch this, I know it's going to be a "journey" 😏
I call BS... I'm not going to pretend his position isn't anything more than just an excuse to do what he wants (pleasure) without taking ownership of the abuse/harm he is inflicting on innocent sentient animals. This isn't anything different than the excuse that meat-eaters make to justify not going vegan.
Ok but just like other animals out there. We have been eating other living things since the dawn of time
😂
@@alejandroc7357 actually in the garden, no animals ate other animals. That didn't start happening until the Great Fall (sin), then after the Great Flood (when plants were not available) it was OK to eat dead animals out of necessity. I think we can all agree, just because somthing has been done for many many years doesn't make it right. Murder, slavery, things happening for centuries doesn't make it right.
@@terkfranks1538 yeah so are you telling me its wrong that a wolf eats a rabbit in the wild?
Or a lion eating a gazelle?
Dont forget that we are animals too. Those same plants will eat us one day. Why is this hard for vegans to accept?
I will say ive gotten more involved in trying to garden and eat more locally grown vegetables and meat. It is a respect issue. I hate how large commercial farms treat their animals.
Let me ask you this. Is it wrong for me to get chickens? I dont ever plan on butchering them. I will take care of them and make sure they are healthy. All i want is 🥚. Is that so wrong?
@@alejandroc7357 we are not wolves, we are not lions. Wolves and lions don't have the option to shop at the local market. Let's start by understanding we don't look to wild animals to determine what our moral behavior should or shouldn't be. Let's also understand that we do not need to eat meat/dairy in order to be healthy and thrive. Lastly, there is no humane or ethical way to needlessly hurt/harm/abuse/slaughter an innocent animal. I personally do not eat eggs because they are very unhealthy and the egg industry abuses animals, not the least is the way they throw the live male chickens into a wood chipper (because they aren't "meat chickens" and cannot produce eggs). I'm not judging other people as I also ate meat/dairy for many many years, until I stopped making excuses and decided to consciously work towards having my actions align with my morals/ethics. ✌️
@@terkfranks1538 Humans are predators and it is healthy for predators to consume flesh. It is immoral to shame predators for consuming since that is what they're supposed to do...
Journey tho...
I followed him for a long time but now i feel like he has stagnated - then regressed and we have outgrown him. I don't listen to him anymore. He's way out of touch with people, animals and... Reality i guess. Don't do drugs kids.
“You don’t even feed me.” 😂 is this a joke?
Spirituality is a joke, but those that tell it don't know they're comedians.
Dude's taking the wrong psychedelics. The good ones get you to go vegan.
its not the psychedelics its his brain. psychedelics will show you what you wanna see. because its just a chemical reaction in the brain and nothing spiritual is real
Amen. Shrooms got me on the path of veganism.
Sounds like he has had a bad trip.🌱☮🌱Thank you for the video hippie chic.❄
Exactly. 💚
The 'spiritual ex-vegan' trend always makes me feel self-conscious about being a spiritual Vegan. I don't plan to ever betray the animals the way these people have, but I do worry people will *perceive* me as an unreliable Vegan due to my spirituality.
“I switched from a rule based morality to a heart based morality.” WHAT
Ruled by emotion
What a journey
Great analysis by you. He is not honest, only he matters and this is the newest excuse to eat animals
Natalie's gratitude journal - "Piers Morgan, beans" 🤣🤣🤣
JOURNEY
Well said natalie. One quibble though: you said “You can feel grateful for what they have provided you but that gratitude does not make taking their life moral.” I think your word choice here is sub-optimal, because “providing” used in this context implies a voluntary act of giving, as opposed to an involuntary imposition of having something stolen. This is the cognitive equivocation carnists like Harper use to elicit the emotion of “gratitude” irrationally so as to feel better about their exploitative violence. You CAN feel gratitude when you steal something from someone but only by twisting the interaction in your mind as something it is not- an act of self-sacrificial charity on the animal’s part rather than theft on your part. (Everything else in your video was beautifully stated.)
Next time he uses psychedelics I bet his spirit animal wants to have a talk with him.
never heard of him
journey
I am vegan for animals !!!🤩🤩
So he went from basing his morality on a sense of social hierarchy (not wanting to be one of the "bad people") to enshrining his intuition as the center of his own moral universe? Talk about ego. I'm sympathetic to a lot of what he has to say, but an unwillingness to self-evaluate-to question the validity of one's preexisting beliefs and feelings-is the death of any kind of genuine intellectual life. This kind of self-absorption is the antithesis of true spirituality. If you invest every thought and feeling that bubbles-up from your subconscious with unquestioned authority, then you've foreclosed on even the possibility of error, and have lost touch with reality.
It sounds like his previous system of morality had become so thoroughly divorced from the actual source of moral value (other beings), that it had lost any sense of genuine meaning. Like a ritual whose original purpose has long-since been forgotten, maintained only out of obligation. Then he has this incredible psychedelic experience that puts him in direct contact with something that by comparison seems profoundly meaningful. It really isn't surprising that his old moral system succumbed under that epistemic load. I hope that in time he comes to see that this "intuition" morality is just as hollow as his procedural one, and rediscovers a genuine connection with other beings.
Muse tho. (Haven't heard that one)
Whenever someone talks in the language of spirituality and journeys as the reason they "care" about sentient individuals
......... it's almost guaranteed that they've never been vegan.
so in case anyone was wondering - you can't buy creativity in a box, *but*, lucky for us humans, we can buy a stake, and we know stake equals access to creativity. thanks for solving that one for me, charlie ✅
I agree with everything you say, great points
Can’t believe he’s saying this stuff with straight face
Spirituality hippie realm is a nebulous mess
A lot of people feel they can't really be themselves if they restrict any part of their "selfhood." I've known people who decided Jesus was telling them he wanted them to eat meat and wear a skirt; actually, I don't know of anywhere in Scripture where Jesus tells people how to eat and dress.
On the other hand, Charlie isn't really getting any karma points from eating animals, because with every animal he eats he's consuming that animal's fear: all the adrenaline, all the cortisol, all the stress hormones.
This was such an informative situation, and a nice complement to the library of "spiritual ex vegans."
It's worth characterizing from a sociological standpoint...the patterns are becoming really clear; logically, that should mean we can prevent spiritual ex-veganism from happening.
This is SO true. Modern narcissists love hiding behind something unquestionable like "the universe".
Wow - the whole disconnect starting with "I was a pescatarian but then I started eating meat" as if fish is not "meat".....but just wow...these "journey" stories that are supposed to be beautiful and insightful in reality are so repugnant and cringy.....
the journey song is getting longer...
Did you check that he's not a Maasai warrior though?
Seriously though, never heard of him but feel I've missed nothing.
Love your gratitude journal entries! lol 😂
A lot of times in psychedelic experiences, you think that God is speaking, but it’s actually the ego’s voice. It’s very risky to engage with that “voice”… as someone who has a lot of experience with psychedelics, I can say yes absolutely it can inflate your ego and narcissism if you don’t constantly observe yourself and take accountability. You have to be extremely careful and constantly go inwards in self observation. Always listening inward and watching your own ego. All of those entities, goddesses, whatever… ignore them. Over time, a silent voice will nudge you. God’s voice is silent. It’s not dramatic. With veganism for me, it has usually been subtle nudges and signs around me that make me open my eyes.. even if I fall off, it comes back if I am quiet and listening and open. The spiritual path requires great humility and unfortunately the young folks (especially with youtube channels lol) think they have the answers. The ones who have seen (the truth) don’t speak. The ones who speak haven’t seen (the truth). I am someone who started eating meat again after joining a spiritual community that didn’t cater to “special diet preferences.” Even after 2 years of veganism, my meat and dairy addiction was still very strong, so I used the community to enjoy eating animal products again and shut my eyes. But truly it was my addiction acting out. I felt guilty but since everyone around me said it was okay, I convinced myself of it and forgot all the vegan points. This year I was guided to come back to veganism. I think if we are honest and say “I am battling a lifelong addiction to meat and animal products,” we are getting somewhere to recovery. But if we use spirituality and the universe to justify the addiction while secretly craving and indulging those foods, we are out of alignment..
When bro science and woo-woo mystical thinking combines 🤦♀️🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦♂️
You backdrop is getting more an more based 🏴
I'm so glad my brain doesn't work like this guy's. Talk about complication.
There needs to be more education around neuropathology. If one never eats animal flesh one never has a reference for it and therefore never craves it.
He was repressing his desire to eat meat and that never ends well. To get it out of your system you have to go to the source, full fledged animals in this case, and see if you can source it yourself. If you are disconnected from the Source it´s easy to just go back and forth.
The X-tarians are very permisible when they choose wt to eat. No X-tarian is consistent with theyr own claims... they eat wtv they want when they "need" to.
Natalie- Would you please add a link in your description for the source of the on screen text at this part of your video?
I tried the other ones that you originally posted there. I would like to cite it in my debates on line. Thanks so much!
ruclips.net/video/3ii19yO4BJw/видео.html
I would also love a source for this - everything I've read suggests humans are very bad at converting ALA into EPA and especially DHA - tried looking for this article but can't find it.
@@mcmcpoi-ra7405 From what I have ascertained, *some* people are bad at converting ALA to EPA and DHA. Personally, to cover my bets, I take an algae based supplement for those long chain omega 3's. I am in my mid 60's and I want to make sure I have enough for maximum brain support as I get older.
Back in the day, when Google searches were still working, one could google for complete texts. It's a bit work, though, since you have to type it either manually, or screenshot the video & then put it in Google Lens & mark the text.
I just did the second option & found the article on the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine website.
I'll reply with the link separately in case RUclips will delete or shadow-ban my comment due to the link.
@@biancat.1873 It's OK, Google is working:
"The American Medical Association (AMA) has issued several strong public rebukes of PCRM, including a 1991 statement in Newsweek by the AMA's senior vice president for science and medical education, who said: “They are neither responsible nor are they physicians.” The most scathing AMA critique of PCRM was rescinded in ..."
Very convincing...
He changed his mind on veganism. Happens all the time. Don't see the need for an excuse? Isn't there a study out there showing 84% of vegans can't sustain the diet? It's not like he's an outlier.
He is a quak-a-doodle !!
When these types say thfey are on a journey, really they just have a mushroom trip.
I can’t stand the “spiritual” movement. From what I’ve seen of it, it’s just a BS excuse for being totally selfish. “My” journey. “My” truth. “My” bullshit.
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9:42😂
To be honest, a non-creative Charlie is just too unbearable to imagine...so there's that ;)
Why is it getting so popular to us the term “narcissism” _(which entails a whole bunch of specific overlapping personality traits, viewpoints about the self, and intrapersonal reactions that become externalized as harmful interpersonal actions in the majority - if not all- close/closeish relationships one has w/ others)_ in place of “arrogant”?
It doesn’t make your argument or criticism sound stronger…
Maybe this guy feels "unworthy" because he IS (everyone is). Just STOP then 🙄
Nice, some creative juggling
Couldn't stand him before, cant stand him now.
I confused was he vegan or pescatarian?
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plants are living things, for mankind to live it must eat things that onced lived, its a transfer of energy, that is the natural way of life
@alabar9795
Right, so it’d be alright for someone to kill you and consume your body, even if they could easily avoid doing so, because its a transfer of energy, and that is the natural way of life?
Is that right or should people try to avoid violently exploiting the bodies of sentient victims when they can?
Are we delusional as vegans? Maybe Charlie is right... Wow!
Good for him
Humanity's evolutionarily aligned diet is obligate carnivory, no?
Okay super weird. I’ve tripped. I work on myself daily learning myself pondering wondering thinking etc. and I’ve had some pretty deep or intense convos but wtf is this guy doing lmao
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Do you want a friendship debate?
🤮 Creepy!
i don't understand
Psychedelics are super overrated. People's "revelations" are just pure emotional nonsense atleast half the time and produce nothing good or harm you. I'm sick of hearing people ramble about the things they saw or learned, like all you are doing is demonstrating to me that you were never a logical person in the first place and make your opinions purely on how you feel about it, psychedelics just made the emotional ties for you.
Psychedelics amplify and magnify our emotions which can be very useful if we understand the process of working through them with reflection instead of getting tangled in a delusional state from them.
They're a tool, to be used carefully and responsibly. If you take them without knowing what they are and what they're doing it can lead to bad things, but if done correctly they're amazing for so many things
Yeah they are like modern art - splashing primary colours over a canvas and leaving the experiencer to interpret a meaning - any meaning they want.
Or tea leaves, or numerology, or cloud watching or star gazing...
@@HowardWimshurst Not quite. Although sometimes with smaller doses it can be a bit like that. In general though it's so much more
Are fish plants?
In the same way cows are.
I don’t bash vegan’s because everyone has their own way of life, vegans need to understand not everyone is gonna agree with them.
I certainly don’t and that doesn’t make me some animal abuser. Respect for others views is how we advance society.
It seems lately all these animal rights groups just want chaos because they can’t take the fact that people disagree with them.
If you consume animal products, you pay for animals to be tortured every day. That's what makes you an animal abuser. Why should we respect anyone who chooses to harm animals when they don't need to?
@@Natalie.Fulton The fact is if you do your part, you should be satisfied, but you’re not because you’re a petty tyrant. There’s a difference between trying to make a difference and trying to push your own beliefs upon others.
I don’t believe it’s torture to butcher animals into food because they actually kill the animal before slicing it open, but I’m not gonna try to push my interpretations on others because I don’t like it when it’s done to me. It’s called respect for a reason, learn it.