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Only 2 Hours to Assemble?!? The Project R3D Talos 1800 Assembly: Part 1!!
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- Опубликовано: 17 мар 2024
- I received one of the very first Talos 1800 Large-Format 3D printers from Project R3D. These machines are available fully assembled or as a kit. But since the Modix assembly videos proved useful for many, I decided to record the assembly of this new kit! Follow along as I give my unfiltered opinions throughout the assembly process. It did not go as expected.
Enclosure assembly and a more in-depth review coming soon in Part 2!
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Hi Allan!
I would stay completely clear of them. I bought a Daedalus about a year ago and was the worst experience and screwing I have ever got in business.
Yep.
Did you ever do a part 2 video and are you selling these machines?
A part 2 video has not been posted yet because things have gotten complicated. I assure you that one will be posted in the future. But no, HartSmart Products is not selling Talos 3D printers anymore. If you'd like to discuss it feel free to shoot an email to ecostruder@hsp3d.com.
They've likely stopped selling them because they are very poor quality. Unfortunately, I'm the owner of the only other Talos 1800 in existence (that I'm aware of) and the month I attempted to use it (March 2024) was a horrible experience. Multiple part failures (some due simply to heating the bed to 80*C), MAJOR design flaws (bed sags about 4mm over the length, z-motors skip steps during leveling, I can go on and on). I've been reluctant to post here because naively I thought Brandon was a possible ally in the situation against Project R3D but he has now also stooped to repeatedly lying about the problems. We have an open Paypal dispute and Brandon continues to lie about the situation. In January I drove 6 hours one way to see his printer partially assembled (the state it's shown in this video) and went out of my way to purchase from him as a thank you for showing me the printer and now a 3 month Paypal dispute is how he treats his customer. These printers were removed from Hartsmart's website shortly after I filed my dispute in early April and the 1800 has been listed as "sold out" on Project R3D's website since the same time. I'm willing to share more details in a dm.
To ensure my comments above do not get misconstrued as statements of a defamatory nature I've decided to share two paragraphs of Ecostruder's own words regarding the Talos 1800 after it drove the bed and associated linear bearings off the linear rails:
"It seems like I need to discuss your situation with Joe and one or both of us will be following up with you. One thing I do want to make sure I point out though is that you may have had some incorrect expectations about this machine. This is a low cost large format printer and, as we had discussed previously, there is a big difference between how we build our industrial machine and how these low cost machines are designed and built. They don’t have the same level of sensors or sophistication in the software, which means that they are very much intended to be monitored during operation, especially at the start of a print. They are better than other (Modix) machines, but the same approach should be used in both situations. These are not unattended reliable production machines, but very capable printers with the potential print large parts if used and kept running properly. I am pointing that out because, just to be completely transparent with you, I would consider some of the issues you’ve experienced to be user error. You stated below that it’s unacceptable that the printer wouldn’t catch a problem that happened when it wasn’t being monitored. Sensing and catching that type of thing requires additional work and R&D costs, which is why a machine like the HSP1-I has that capability and also why it costs $45k. The Talos is even bigger than the HSP1-I and yet only costs $14k. There’s a reason for that price difference.
As we’ve discussed there are definitely issues which I agree are true machine problems, but I also think there are inappropriate expectations for how this machine is meant to be used and what level of reliability to expect from such a low cost machine. I hope those expectations weren’t something that came from how I was describing the machine, especially since you were aware that I was just getting started with it myself, but it is something important to understand."
In addition to the parapraph's above, before I purchased the printer I explicitly asked if the IDEX system could do duplicate or mirrored printing. I was told by one of Hartsmart's employees "yes the IDEX system is absolutely capable of doing mirror/duplicator modes on both printheads and I believe the printheads park outside of the build volume, allowing you to still utilize the whole 1200mm of printing space provided!" When I asked how to set it up the day prior to picking the printer up I was told by Brandon "I don’t yet know how to set up duplicator or mirror mode on these machines, and I’m not sure the Simplify3D profile has those options in it at this time. My guess is that they’ll provide those once we discover that there is nothing that currently enables it to be done." I continued to ask about how to make this functionality work and I eventually learned via Project R3D's response via the BBB where he stated: "customer was expecting features that were never intended to be available on unit. The customer expected it to do things that it was not set up for and he was never informed it could do. Tony stated his intentions on what he wanted the machine to do and we repeatedly told him that its not what its meant to do and he would have a high failure rate with his plan."
I'll withhold further commentary and allow any readers here to draw their own conclusions about this printer and these companies. Should these comments be removed from this page I'll be certain to post them elsewhere.
Any idex machine running rrf can do duplication mode but its not as simple as flipping a switch. You should be able to find guides on duets site or any generic guide will do. I am nkt saying these machines are good i bought two machines to develop upgrades for them and i received alot of damaged parts and some missing parts Brandon has done what he can but he was just a middle man and as soon as he didnt like things he seperated himself from them .
@@advanced3dprinting Hartsmart Products specifically steered me to this machine before they had any experience with it. When I asked very specific questions about it I was given very specific answers that were completely false. I also specifically asked for help from Brandon in setting up the duplication mode and he deferred to Project R3D. Brandon had plenty of opportunities to warn me that their machine was not going as expected BEFORE I picked mine up but chose not to. When the machine started having component failures left and right he did nothing to help the situation other than blame me for the issues, then lie about it to Paypal to avoid them forcing him to give a refund. As a fellow business owner I find this "We'll sell you this expensive machine and gladly take your money, but when it's a major problem wE'rE jUsT a ReSeLlEr" attitude rather pathetic.
What ever happened to these printers? 🤔
They've likely stopped selling them because they are very poor quality. Unfortunately, I'm the owner of the only other Talos 1800 in existence (that I'm aware of) and the month I attempted to use it (March 2024) was a horrible experience. Multiple part failures (some due simply to heating the bed to 80*C), MAJOR design flaws (bed sags about 4mm over the length, z-motors skip steps during leveling, I can go on and on). I've been reluctant to post here because naively I thought Brandon was a possible ally in the situation against Project R3D but he has now also stooped to repeatedly lying about the problems. We have an open Paypal dispute and Brandon continues to lie about the situation. In January I drove 6 hours one way to see his printer partially assembled (the state it's shown in this video) and went out of my way to purchase from him as a thank you for showing me the printer and now a 3 month Paypal dispute is how he treats his customer. These printers were removed from Hartsmart's website shortly after I filed my dispute in early April and the 1800 has been listed as "sold out" on Project R3D's website since the same time. I'm willing to share more details in a dm.
I'm not sure what's next for Project R3D and the Talos printers (and it's not my place to say), but I can say that HartSmart Products has chosen not to offer Talos printers at this time. There will be a Part 2 video posted as soon as I can clear up some outstanding issues related to them.
I'm leaving this reply up because everyone is entitled to their own opinion, though I would advise against making public statements of a defamatory nature and/or about ongoing disputes.
@@ecostruder was your second reply perhaps meant to be a response to the other comment and not mine?
@@emberprototypes Yes, indeed! Sorry for the confusion.