To say we underachieved this season is ridiculous considering the players we had out through injury/suspension. And we did qualify for Europe but got bumped by Manure! 1st time we’ve finished above them too. We over achieved when qualifying for champions league and everyone thinks we should be in every season. How long was it we out of that 20years? We need to get back to reality and kick on this season
@@ppppp1336 Well yes but having taken only 1 point from Luton and lost ant Bournemouth and at home to Forest I think there was an element of under performance.
@@robertlough1685 the lack of first team players fit or available was a joke. We couldn’t rotate and the lads who played every week were exhausted. As players started coming back from injury we started getting back to winning ways. Yes they had quite a few poor performances but given the circumstances… we didn’t underachieve! If we had a handful of injured players then I would agree but we didn’t it was double figures for the majority of the season
Completely agree mate!!! Let’s not put this unrealistic expectations on the club like we all the sudden top 3 club!! Eddie and the boys did a bloody awesome job with all the injuries they faced. They’ll regroup, put the season behind them and let’s just keep building 🤙🤙🤙 As a longtime suffering overseas supporter😂, I’m excited about the next few years 👍
I agree. A really tough season where overall we did well. Saying that top 4 is the minimum for the coming season is just stupid (so 5th is a failure?). There are at least 6 teams that are in as good or better position for this thanks largely to PSR. People need to get a reality check.
Its simple, you either move forward or you don't. The better players at the club know they are better and they can move on to fulfill their ambitions elsewhere. Keeping those players requires the club to be at a certain level. Blind fans with no concept of others think the players love the club just like they do and excuse failures and say there is always next season, the better players are 1 bad season from asking to leave. Elite sport is ruthless and a lot of our fans haven't caught on yet and they still think realistic fans are being ungrateful.
Our trajectory as a club since the take over was beyond even the owners. Realisticly we wanted gradual improvement season by season, but the year we qualify for the UCL hurt us in the long run with injuries and fitness.. even then we still manage to post our best offensive year. I think the owners are reaching a point they have to decide now what is truly the next step for newcastle united (stadium, sponsors, staff and players)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's been told 4th is minimum for next season. Although I reckon he could be sacked by Christmas if we're anywhere near mid-table.
Great pod guys 🙏 but I think Hall will surprise a few including Steven (who I'm not sure rates him by the sound of it) he showed so much character & drive last season to get in to the team & looks a better player for it. I think he's one to watch this season & will make the LB spot his own, not just for NUFC but England too.
It’s quite simple. PIF cannot have somebody file for bankruptcy while they have a stake in the club. How can the richest club in the world have a stakeholder, as excellent as she is, jeopardise the future of the club. All the other speculation about timelines and investment is tertiary.
I think the club needs to show their intent with some quality signings in this window or the likes of Isak, Bruno will be off and should also be aiming for a top 4 spot. Anything less and I also think we’ll be looking for a new manager.
Why did you not mention the recent court cases AS has lost recently, you do t think k that’s a reason as to why she has sold her shares ? And agree with the point that if the club wants CL football it needs players to get them there, it’s ok buying players for the future but there’s also the now
Yeah, it is very possible she doesn't have the money to invest anymore, definitely not a comparable about to the Reubens and PIF. Exactly, a 3-4 first team players would help massively in the hunt for Europe.
@tfnufc good point mate, but she technically doesn't need to invest. The memorandum that the Chairman produced resolves her (and the Reubens) of having to invest the same levels as PIF. I genuinely think his has been a total business decision by PIF. Gutted, but very excited for next season. FA needs to keep there grubby paws off EH.
We do need to offer some level of European football, sure, spending limits are not in our favour but we do need to really push the boat out to bring in top level players who want to be part of the 12 month plan. We have too many low-mid level players who are pushing over 30 that we need to let go, Lacelles is a prime example, yes done a job but now we need to let him go……and others!
Club does need to be ruthless with it's sales, we just need to ensure we have the cover coming in and that clubs actually want to buy our fringe players. All seems very quiet on the outgoing side of things at the moment. Fingers crossed it heats up later this month and into August.
At 3.38 Alex reads from the club statement. Two phrases stand out: 'long-term plan' and 'credible competitor'. Both need to be defined. How long is 'long term' and what is meant by 'credible competitor? 10 years, 15 years? Taking part in or winning competitions? We're already reaching the latter stages of the domestic cups. Is that sufficient?
I suppose that the only thing is that however much money they invest we are still bound by the constraints of the FFP requirements. They redevelop the stadium and carry out Infrastructure works but team building and salaries are totally bound up in FFP.
@tfnufc Yeah that's true, I just wonder whats left to sponsor. The front of the training kit and sponsorship for the training ground name. The big one, though, stadium naming rights, may be controversial . However, unlike the Ashley years I think fans may be more receptive. If they believe the money will be spent on team strengthening rather than disappearing into the fat man's pockets, fans may be more amenable to this.
100% agree, it baffled me towards the end of last season when some fans (like Si) seemed to passively accept missing out on European football.. to keep existing top performers and at the same time attracting players of a similar level we simply have to offer champions league football or at least a very strong challenge for it .
It is predictable human behavior to make excuses in the face of poor results in order to protect ones ego and help maintain cohesion. Also going to swing violently the other way if things don't improve. What could the excuses be this year ?
It's not passive acceptance it's acknowledging the reality. We are not a top 6 club. We don't have the finance, the infrastructure or the history to expect to be in the top 6 People like yourself demanding we challenge for top 4 are basically expecting Eddie Howe to beat his rivals with less than half the budget as his rivals. Its unrealistic and counterproductive to put that much expectation on the team
That's using too much logic. Expectations are reaching the unrealistic days of Sir Bobby when people (Freddie Shepherd being one) who thought 5th wasn't good enough. Its a shame they haven't learned perspective
Why would it presage a huge buying spree ? PSR rules are still in place . We dont magically have loadsa more dosh to spend just because Staveley has left
Staveley is a businesswoman at the end of the day... Borrowed money off Ashley and the reubens, borrowed 1.2m off the club so help with her court cases and the big one is this bankruptcy case appeal later in the year so cashing out now made sense.. 💰💰
I think the appointments the club has made are setting us up nicely. You only have to look at the Exec set up at City to realise how far we are behind. AS will be a huge miss by a lot of the fan base (me included), but she is not football orientated, so surely there are better qualified people out there. We, as fans, should be forever greatful, because without her we damn sure wouldn't be discussing new stadiums etc. Love the pod, as always, guys. Thoughts on Aramco? With our chairman being chairman of Aramco, surely this is just a matter of when not IF?
We had poor defences under SBR…that got exposed at elite level more often than not. If we can put together a defence close to the level or better than two years ago…we can build from there.
Great pod as usual. I do want to say though, why do so many of you think it's a bad season without CL qualification. There are 6 clubs with much more resource than NUFC. Then we have Aston Villa who seem to be similar to us. Finishing in the top 4 out of that 8 is going to be really difficult. All of those clubs have players that expect to be playing champions league, but they can't all be in it.
Thank you John, glad you enjoyed the pod. Alex did make this point in the full version of the pod. It is going to be very difficult year on year to qualify for champions league, like you say, there are 8 teams realistically fighting for the spots and they are only going to get better. Although this season, with the expanded Champions league group stage and then you have the uncertainty of new managers appointed at the clubs etc, next season offers NUFC a great chance to go and get in there again.
The size of PIF means it’s totally feasible to plan a brand new training ground as well as other investments such as stadium expansion. Nearly 3 years on this project should have been started by now. It’s near on vital we have the best facilities to compete and I’m flabbergasted it hasn’t been prioritised from day one.
Based on budget and club size (revenue) Newcastle should finish 8th. Anything above that is over achieving compared to the big 6 plus Aston Villa. Saying they have to be in the top 4 isn’t sensible. Top 8 possible. Top 6 over achieving. Top 4 incredible.
@@user-yj2od2od8m really? The Liverpool loss when they were down to 10 men, multiple times we went 1-0 up and sat back lost 2-1 in the end, the constant use of his favourites even when out of form, the injury list that you can’t just blame on bad luck and not buying for positions we need like lb, a number 6, a striker who doesn’t spend half the season on a treatment table etc. that’s just off the top of my head
@@user-yj2od2od8m did I say he doesn’t deserve the job? There’s just less of a margin for error now that PIF hold more of a stake. Fans like you need to get over this saviour complex that you’ve built up with Eddie and get over Bruce he can’t hurt you no more
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. Of course they don't need to spend. However, with the appointments they have made and the need for strengthening some positions, we are now at a stage where we can judge whether they are serious about their investment in this club.
Although their exit has been expedited, my thoughts on the PSR issues being the catalyst for this. I do think that the Reuben’s will eventually exit as well. PCP brokered the deal, built a board capable of large success which will have been the remit. Suspect they were planning on staying until a trophy delivered but the PSR issues were probably perceived as underperformance by PCP by PIF. I think once the stadium upgrade is done, the training ground built and anything else they have planned then the Reuben’s then sell up. They have huge investment in Newcastle so they have the relationships with the council and others that may cause issues. In we go and in Eddie we trust
So thankful to have had Amanda and Mehrdad as part of our club, Amanda has been a real leader and inspiration and I'm such a big, big fan of hers for all she's done. I am going to try not to worry. I have always feared what we may become post takeover - these two along with Eddie have made sure at every turn that we haven't taken the soulless route, that we haven't lost who we are just to win things faster. Those fears are back with a vengeance now, but I will trust the structure they have bequeathed to the club and the individuals they have brought in. The Reubens seem to get it too, and I suspect that PIF would prefer to leave Darren Eales and his team to get on with their jobs. I hope that we remain focused on the local connections and on a grounded, likeable team with a lot of spirit and a strong embrace of the fans. I hope that we remain committed to remaining in SJP. I hope that somebody picks up Amanda's passion for the lasses and keeps pushing for us to have the best women's team in the country. Thank you Amanda, thank you Mehrdad.
The idea that top four should be a minimum expectation is just deluded. As is the idea that we can sign three or four first team starters. That's not the reality we're faced with. We can realistically make one big money signing and push for the top 6.
I'd be happy to blow our entire budget on Antonio Silva or Malick Thiaw (or both!) and Nico Williams. Eddy wants to keep Wilson. He's be expensive to replace, so fair enough. Surely Kuol is our 3rd striker, at least until January.
I hope we get back to playing good football. Our style of play is exciting but only at home. We got outplayed by the likes of Bournemouth, Luton and Blackburn. Against Sunderland, we went back to control, I noticed old patterns of attacking play from the season before.
I am not so sure the Saudis are going to fall into the trap of churning through managers to try and make progress when the issue is not being able to spend like the larger clubs. At this point they look astute, they are not going to want to look naive
We are on course we’re doing great . Time to build on what we have and go on another good run in the premier league try to qualify for international competitions and take it from there . Need better player than Calvert lewin though. Im sure the club will buy some really good quality in the positions we’re poor in. Im Looking forward for the league to start and see how we line up first game of the season .HWTL
If you just compare our squad to Arsenal, Man U, Man C, Liverpool and Chelsea then I think making top four would still be overachieving but I do think we have a shot. We need Tonali to step up and repay our loyalty to him & as the panel discussed we must strengthen our central defence… we have to keep Gordon and hopefully get another midfielder in there. That’s a big wishlist… I do believe in Eddie Howe but this is his season to deliver even more than he already has! HWTL
Wee need to strengthen at Centre back Schar is 32 Burn is 31 Kelly will be cover So a top class Centre back needed. A defensive mid no 6 is needed. A Right Midfielder with Miggy going out the door. Also another Striker with Wilson leaving. If we don't strengthen these positions we will struggle to match last season. As other teams above will invest and back their respective managers. To say we underachieved this season is a crazy comment. For me it was a miracle were we finished with the horrific injury list we had. For me it will be top 8 again this season not unless we strengthen big time. With FFP/PSR its hard to get closer to the ones ahead of on this front
Very weird this. This was the pod that bashed the owner group about the PSR scramble and started demanding answers about the ground and the training ground etc. but also saying if we only just brought in two more players we might have caught Villa in 4th? The whole thing come across as negative and from a position of entitlement on every topic.
Imo, the PIF will start the bold move forward from now on, they have to, as said in the podcast, all the other teams are loading up strongly, big push warrented, transfers imminent.
Steven is wrong. She didn’t sell her shares. Her holding was diluted as there were effectively rights issues to raise more money from existing shareholders. The other shareholders invested she couldn’t/didn’t.
Howe has to be backed in the transfer period, unlike last season where I don’t think he really was. I know it’s not as easy as throwing money at it but something needs to be done
Apparently there was a memorandum when pif bought the shares from Amanda that now any investment dosnt need to be equally matched by other shareholders now so the Ruben’s don’t have to keep up with pif
The first year of the takeover would be the one we posted the most losses. We spent 90m to stay up, and losses that year must be the lions share of the 105m allowable PSR losses. That year is now off the three year cycle, and the real question is what losses did we post that year as that's the cushion we now have for PSR. We could have 50 60 70m losses to play with for our PSR plus what we have to spend. We should have a decent amount to spend, we bid for Olise and spoke to him, we wouldn't be making bids like that if we didn't have money in the pot.
We spent £115m that first season because there was Willock bought for £25M in the summer too. We lost £70M that first year. Our revenue was only £180M in that first season while it’s expected to be at least £300M this season. So taking all of that into account we could spend £305M and still balance the 3 year PSR calculations. However, the new UEFA squad squad cost ratio comes into place and while it isn’t the final 70% limitation yet it’s likely Newcastle will aim to get close to that figure to prevent issues going forward. That SCR is going to be the limiting factor this year so I doubt we’ll get anywhere close to the £305M we could have spent under PSR. At most I’d expect £100M plus sales as our budget. Really hope I’m wrong but these rules are just too restrictive now it’s ridiculous
@andrewcharlton6080 It's as clear as mud, intentionally too. Something will have to give soon as the PL is destroying/devaluing its own product. I'm interested to see what happens with the training kit sponsor, etc, that's been too long coming, and I doubt it's down to the club as they need the income to grow.
@@craiglee3653 It may be linked to the plans around a new training ground. If they think they can get a much higher long term contract for training kit and ground after they build the new one they may be holding off. Ideally it would be good to get a sponsorship deal for a couple of years to bring money in but if all of the companies want a 5-10 deal we might be tying ourselves in to a lower deal over that time. Who knows though, it does seem an obvious and easy way to get some income so there will be a good reason for not doing it yet
The way the club has operated so far this window and the players we have enquired about, it does look like the money is there to spend on a RW for sure. Potentially the money saved on a keeper so far has reinforced that possibility.
@@tfnufc. I think we will spend and while under PSR we would be able to spend big I think SCR will hold us back. Even then I think we’ll spend up to £40M on a CB (I’d love us to spend more and go for Silva though), I think we’ll spend up to £60M on the RW and £20-30M on a young striker (hoped we might have took a chance on Liam Delap from City for £20M but last I heard he was going to Ipswich) I agree with a lot of your comments, the club needs to have a better window, they need to show intent, they need to back Howe and I agree where we need to strengthen. I just disagree with some of your panel that we should expect top 5. Financially, it’s just not a level playing field, each year we are underdogs and it’s a decent achievement to finish above any of them, if this year we need 2 of those teams plus Villa to drop off to get 5th and that’s not easy. No Europe will help and I’m hopefully but it will be an big achievement to get Europe this season and a huge achievement to get CL football again
Your just adding pressure on peoples shoulders, we ARE a wip, and progress IS needed, but money is key here, we not at the corrupt 6 level yet. We will also find out in the short term which players actually joined for the "project". Remember 22-23 we shocked alot of opposition with our play and finished 4th. 23-24 was absolutely down to rotten luck with injuries. 24-25 I'd be happy 6th. The people running the club aren't stupid.
Knockin on 3 years now and in terms of physical infrastructure which they are allowed to spend on - the Sports Direct signage has come down and the training ground has had a lick of paint . It doesnt smack of ambition and doesnt bode well for future investment
how would we have paid for 2 players in Jan with FFP limitations - we would have had to sell even more in june - we probably would have lost Gordon or Isak to balance the books. There's nothing else to discuss - FFP is the only issue, and it is a huge issue.
Buy a left back? Seriously! 4th is an unrealistic expectation unless we get some elite signings but it's what we need. Also how on earth were we going to buy two players in January with our PSR problems? And yes the summer signings were awful when faced with the Champions League fixtures.
So we can’t spend really big or outspend the rest of the big clubs yet we should be challenging for the top spot according to these four. How does that work then, yet say we underachieved last season when we lost our goalkeeper and entire back 4 apart from Scharr for large chunks of the season. Let’s see we finished seventh last season yet what clubs above us would have Dubravka, Krafth, Lascelles, Longstaff, Murphy, Almiron and a 17 year old Lewis Miley who all played a huge amount of games in their first team. One last thing to say we should of signed two more players in January, seriously what are you talking about we had to sell Anderson and Minteh to raise the £50 million for psr at the end of June so if we had spent in January we would have had to of had a fire sale and every player worth any value would of been up for grabs.
This makes sense guts, we love Eddie, however he has a young family wife ect, if he is offered the national job, part time 5 million quid per Yr, and given Mitchell has prevoius with Poch....I think the righting is on the wall. I don't like it..but that's our path
Not so sure about Darren Eales, wasn't happy with him basically telling the world about selling players coz of pif, made me feel very uncomfortable, does he know the track record of the previous owner, with Amanda it showed she was bothered about the effect of the changes would have on the fans and wanted to keep everyone in the loop, Eales just with that statement made me feel like everyone is disposable, he needs to keep in mind that the reason our biggest success is at home games and doesn't want to alienate the fans and treat us like numbers, and don't tip off the opposition when we might be in a tight situation, the Gordon situation really got my back up and because Eales had let teams know we maybe had to sell one of our best players it made it harder to offload the ones we needed to sell
Eddie Howe improves every player and plays front foot exciting football, he is quality. It would be unfair to expect him to produce champions league football with the current player group. Every player that is not going to be better next season than last needs to be shipped out and upgraded. Examples Lascelles, Dubravka, Ritchie, Longstaff, Miggy, Wilson, Trippier, Schar, Burn. All of which can still fetch a price but may not soon. These players are not getting top 5 this season.
To say we underachieved this season is ridiculous considering the players we had out through injury/suspension. And we did qualify for Europe but got bumped by Manure! 1st time we’ve finished above them too. We over achieved when qualifying for champions league and everyone thinks we should be in every season. How long was it we out of that 20years? We need to get back to reality and kick on this season
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Well yes but having taken only 1 point from Luton and lost ant Bournemouth and at home to Forest I think there was an element of under performance.
@@robertlough1685 the lack of first team players fit or available was a joke. We couldn’t rotate and the lads who played every week were exhausted. As players started coming back from injury we started getting back to winning ways. Yes they had quite a few poor performances but given the circumstances… we didn’t underachieve! If we had a handful of injured players then I would agree but we didn’t it was double figures for the majority of the season
Completely agree mate!!! Let’s not put this unrealistic expectations on the club like we all the sudden top 3 club!!
Eddie and the boys did a bloody awesome job with all the injuries they faced. They’ll regroup, put the season behind them and let’s just keep building 🤙🤙🤙
As a longtime suffering overseas supporter😂, I’m excited about the next few years 👍
I agree. A really tough season where overall we did well. Saying that top 4 is the minimum for the coming season is just stupid (so 5th is a failure?). There are at least 6 teams that are in as good or better position for this thanks largely to PSR. People need to get a reality check.
First time in a decade that a team has finished 7th and not made it into Europe. Typical of our rotten luck last season.
Its simple, you either move forward or you don't. The better players at the club know they are better and they can move on to fulfill their ambitions elsewhere. Keeping those players requires the club to be at a certain level. Blind fans with no concept of others think the players love the club just like they do and excuse failures and say there is always next season, the better players are 1 bad season from asking to leave. Elite sport is ruthless and a lot of our fans haven't caught on yet and they still think realistic fans are being ungrateful.
Our trajectory as a club since the take over was beyond even the owners. Realisticly we wanted gradual improvement season by season, but the year we qualify for the UCL hurt us in the long run with injuries and fitness.. even then we still manage to post our best offensive year.
I think the owners are reaching a point they have to decide now what is truly the next step for newcastle united (stadium, sponsors, staff and players)
Very good points
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's been told 4th is minimum for next season. Although I reckon he could be sacked by Christmas if we're anywhere near mid-table.
Great pod guys 🙏 but I think Hall will surprise a few including Steven (who I'm not sure rates him by the sound of it) he showed so much character & drive last season to get in to the team & looks a better player for it. I think he's one to watch this season & will make the LB spot his own, not just for NUFC but England too.
Excellent pod Alex et al.
No disagreements from me in the broader context lads
Thank you Roger, glad you enjoyed it
It’s quite simple. PIF cannot have somebody file for bankruptcy while they have a stake in the club. How can the richest club in the world have a stakeholder, as excellent as she is, jeopardise the future of the club. All the other speculation about timelines and investment is tertiary.
I think the club needs to show their intent with some quality signings in this window or the likes of Isak, Bruno will be off and should also be aiming for a top 4 spot. Anything less and I also think we’ll be looking for a new manager.
No good getting a new manager if you’re not getting the players. Howe is top class
I think under Howe with some improvements to the first team and he will get it right and we should have a good season.
Great show guys
Thank you Paul!
Why did you not mention the recent court cases AS has lost recently, you do t think k that’s a reason as to why she has sold her shares ? And agree with the point that if the club wants CL football it needs players to get them there, it’s ok buying players for the future but there’s also the now
Yeah, it is very possible she doesn't have the money to invest anymore, definitely not a comparable about to the Reubens and PIF. Exactly, a 3-4 first team players would help massively in the hunt for Europe.
@tfnufc good point mate, but she technically doesn't need to invest. The memorandum that the Chairman produced resolves her (and the Reubens) of having to invest the same levels as PIF. I genuinely think his has been a total business decision by PIF. Gutted, but very excited for next season. FA needs to keep there grubby paws off EH.
We do need to offer some level of European football, sure, spending limits are not in our favour but we do need to really push the boat out to bring in top level players who want to be part of the 12 month plan.
We have too many low-mid level players who are pushing over 30 that we need to let go, Lacelles is a prime example, yes done a job but now we need to let him go……and others!
Club does need to be ruthless with it's sales, we just need to ensure we have the cover coming in and that clubs actually want to buy our fringe players. All seems very quiet on the outgoing side of things at the moment. Fingers crossed it heats up later this month and into August.
Eddie isn’t ruthless…..perhaps the England job is the best opportunity to leave without it getting messy.
At 3.38 Alex reads from the club statement. Two phrases stand out: 'long-term plan' and 'credible competitor'. Both need to be defined. How long is 'long term' and what is meant by 'credible competitor? 10 years, 15 years? Taking part in or winning competitions? We're already reaching the latter stages of the domestic cups. Is that sufficient?
I suppose that the only thing is that however much money they invest we are still bound by the constraints of the FFP requirements.
They redevelop the stadium and carry out Infrastructure works but team building and salaries are totally bound up in FFP.
There are many things they can do off the pitch to help us increase the possibility of spending, for example extra sponsorship. Time will tell though.
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Yeah that's true, I just wonder whats left to sponsor.
The front of the training kit and sponsorship for the training ground name.
The big one, though, stadium naming rights,
may be controversial .
However, unlike the Ashley years I think fans may be more receptive.
If they believe the money will be spent on team strengthening rather than disappearing into the fat man's pockets, fans may be more amenable to this.
This is the first time I’ve heard some sense around the recent news
100% agree, it baffled me towards the end of last season when some fans (like Si) seemed to passively accept missing out on European football.. to keep existing top performers and at the same time attracting players of a similar level we simply have to offer champions league football or at least a very strong challenge for it .
Or loads of cash
It is predictable human behavior to make excuses in the face of poor results in order to protect ones ego and help maintain cohesion. Also going to swing violently the other way if things don't improve. What could the excuses be this year ?
I was more in line with Si. Because there are 6 clubs with loads more resources than us so we are up against it to break into the top 6.
It's not passive acceptance it's acknowledging the reality. We are not a top 6 club. We don't have the finance, the infrastructure or the history to expect to be in the top 6
People like yourself demanding we challenge for top 4 are basically expecting Eddie Howe to beat his rivals with less than half the budget as his rivals. Its unrealistic and counterproductive to put that much expectation on the team
That's using too much logic. Expectations are reaching the unrealistic days of Sir Bobby when people (Freddie Shepherd being one) who thought 5th wasn't good enough. Its a shame they haven't learned perspective
Why would it presage a huge buying spree ? PSR rules are still in place . We dont magically have loadsa more dosh to spend just because Staveley has left
Exactly what was about to type. We can have a massive spending spree but unless we meet psr at the next deadline we are screwed.
Staveley is a businesswoman at the end of the day... Borrowed money off Ashley and the reubens, borrowed 1.2m off the club so help with her court cases and the big one is this bankruptcy case appeal later in the year so cashing out now made sense.. 💰💰
I think the appointments the club has made are setting us up nicely. You only have to look at the Exec set up at City to realise how far we are behind. AS will be a huge miss by a lot of the fan base (me included), but she is not football orientated, so surely there are better qualified people out there. We, as fans, should be forever greatful, because without her we damn sure wouldn't be discussing new stadiums etc.
Love the pod, as always, guys.
Thoughts on Aramco? With our chairman being chairman of Aramco, surely this is just a matter of when not IF?
Nice.. Wonderful..
We had poor defences under SBR…that got exposed at elite level more often than not. If we can put together a defence close to the level or better than two years ago…we can build from there.
Great pod as usual. I do want to say though, why do so many of you think it's a bad season without CL qualification. There are 6 clubs with much more resource than NUFC. Then we have Aston Villa who seem to be similar to us. Finishing in the top 4 out of that 8 is going to be really difficult. All of those clubs have players that expect to be playing champions league, but they can't all be in it.
Thank you John, glad you enjoyed the pod. Alex did make this point in the full version of the pod. It is going to be very difficult year on year to qualify for champions league, like you say, there are 8 teams realistically fighting for the spots and they are only going to get better. Although this season, with the expanded Champions league group stage and then you have the uncertainty of new managers appointed at the clubs etc, next season offers NUFC a great chance to go and get in there again.
The size of PIF means it’s totally feasible to plan a brand new training ground as well as other investments such as stadium expansion. Nearly 3 years on this project should have been started by now. It’s near on vital we have the best facilities to compete and I’m flabbergasted it hasn’t been prioritised from day one.
Based on budget and club size (revenue) Newcastle should finish 8th. Anything above that is over achieving compared to the big 6 plus Aston Villa. Saying they have to be in the top 4 isn’t sensible. Top 8 possible. Top 6 over achieving. Top 4 incredible.
Eddie will have to get it right this season or I don’t think he’ll survive with Staveley gone
What did he get wrong last season
@@user-yj2od2od8m really? The Liverpool loss when they were down to 10 men, multiple times we went 1-0 up and sat back lost 2-1 in the end, the constant use of his favourites even when out of form, the injury list that you can’t just blame on bad luck and not buying for positions we need like lb, a number 6, a striker who doesn’t spend half the season on a treatment table etc. that’s just off the top of my head
@@MogMonster87 wow maybe your right and we should sack him now, heard Steve Bruce is available
@@user-yj2od2od8m did I say he doesn’t deserve the job? There’s just less of a margin for error now that PIF hold more of a stake. Fans like you need to get over this saviour complex that you’ve built up with Eddie and get over Bruce he can’t hurt you no more
Can have all the money in the world. Sadly the league has every club by the balls
Good show guys but arent we just assuming ? Pif are under no obligation to spend on these things although hopefully they do.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. Of course they don't need to spend. However, with the appointments they have made and the need for strengthening some positions, we are now at a stage where we can judge whether they are serious about their investment in this club.
They can’t take the club forward on the pitch as they can’t spend anything due to PSR. It’s simple really
Although their exit has been expedited, my thoughts on the PSR issues being the catalyst for this. I do think that the Reuben’s will eventually exit as well.
PCP brokered the deal, built a board capable of large success which will have been the remit. Suspect they were planning on staying until a trophy delivered but the PSR issues were probably perceived as underperformance by PCP by PIF.
I think once the stadium upgrade is done, the training ground built and anything else they have planned then the Reuben’s then sell up. They have huge investment in Newcastle so they have the relationships with the council and others that may cause issues.
In we go and in Eddie we trust
We was top of the league for a week :P
Very true, was after the first game wasn't it?
@@tfnufc Aye, 5-1 Villa. Top for a week, will take it :P
Simple answer is no PIF are not goibg to invest huge amounts of money.
So thankful to have had Amanda and Mehrdad as part of our club, Amanda has been a real leader and inspiration and I'm such a big, big fan of hers for all she's done.
I am going to try not to worry. I have always feared what we may become post takeover - these two along with Eddie have made sure at every turn that we haven't taken the soulless route, that we haven't lost who we are just to win things faster. Those fears are back with a vengeance now, but I will trust the structure they have bequeathed to the club and the individuals they have brought in. The Reubens seem to get it too, and I suspect that PIF would prefer to leave Darren Eales and his team to get on with their jobs.
I hope that we remain focused on the local connections and on a grounded, likeable team with a lot of spirit and a strong embrace of the fans. I hope that we remain committed to remaining in SJP. I hope that somebody picks up Amanda's passion for the lasses and keeps pushing for us to have the best women's team in the country.
Thank you Amanda, thank you Mehrdad.
The idea that top four should be a minimum expectation is just deluded. As is the idea that we can sign three or four first team starters. That's not the reality we're faced with. We can realistically make one big money signing and push for the top 6.
@@RENCHER we’ll have to get used to being a selling club again
I'd be happy to blow our entire budget on Antonio Silva or Malick Thiaw (or both!) and Nico Williams. Eddy wants to keep Wilson. He's be expensive to replace, so fair enough. Surely Kuol is our 3rd striker, at least until January.
Dont forget that last year we scored more goals than nufc ever had before. If Pope hadnt gone down....
I hope we get back to playing good football. Our style of play is exciting but only at home. We got outplayed by the likes of Bournemouth, Luton and Blackburn. Against Sunderland, we went back to control, I noticed old patterns of attacking play from the season before.
I am not so sure the Saudis are going to fall into the trap of churning through managers to try and make progress when the issue is not being able to spend like the larger clubs. At this point they look astute, they are not going to want to look naive
We are on course we’re doing great . Time to build on what we have and go on another good run in the premier league try to qualify for international competitions and take it from there . Need better player than Calvert lewin though. Im sure the club will buy some really good quality in the positions we’re poor in. Im Looking forward for the league to start and see how we line up first game of the season .HWTL
they coudnt buy nobody in jan had to get money in
If you just compare our squad to Arsenal, Man U, Man C, Liverpool and Chelsea then I think making top four would still be overachieving but I do think we have a shot. We need Tonali to step up and repay our loyalty to him & as the panel discussed we must strengthen our central defence… we have to keep Gordon and hopefully get another midfielder in there. That’s a big wishlist… I do believe in Eddie Howe but this is his season to deliver even more than he already has! HWTL
Wee need to strengthen at Centre back
Schar is 32
Burn is 31
Kelly will be cover
So a top class Centre back needed.
A defensive mid no 6 is needed.
A Right Midfielder with Miggy going out the door.
Also another Striker with Wilson leaving.
If we don't strengthen these positions we will struggle to match last season. As other teams above will invest and back their respective managers.
To say we underachieved this season is a crazy comment.
For me it was a miracle were we finished with the horrific injury list we had.
For me it will be top 8 again this season not unless we strengthen big time. With FFP/PSR its hard to get closer to the ones ahead of on this front
Very weird this. This was the pod that bashed the owner group about the PSR scramble and started demanding answers about the ground and the training ground etc. but also saying if we only just brought in two more players we might have caught Villa in 4th?
The whole thing come across as negative and from a position of entitlement on every topic.
Imo, the PIF will start the bold move forward from now on, they have to, as said in the podcast, all the other teams are loading up strongly, big push warrented, transfers imminent.
I think they've just accepted they can't do much here.
Steven is wrong. She didn’t sell her shares. Her holding was diluted as there were effectively rights issues to raise more money from existing shareholders. The other shareholders invested she couldn’t/didn’t.
Howe has to be backed in the transfer period, unlike last season where I don’t think he really was. I know it’s not as easy as throwing money at it but something needs to be done
Apparently there was a memorandum when pif bought the shares from Amanda that now any investment dosnt need to be equally matched by other shareholders now so the Ruben’s don’t have to keep up with pif
The first year of the takeover would be the one we posted the most losses.
We spent 90m to stay up, and losses that year must be the lions share of the 105m allowable PSR losses.
That year is now off the three year cycle, and the real question is what losses did we post that year as that's the cushion we now have for PSR.
We could have 50 60 70m losses to play with for our PSR plus what we have to spend.
We should have a decent amount to spend, we bid for Olise and spoke to him, we wouldn't be making bids like that if we didn't have money in the pot.
We spent £115m that first season because there was Willock bought for £25M in the summer too.
We lost £70M that first year.
Our revenue was only £180M in that first season while it’s expected to be at least £300M this season.
So taking all of that into account we could spend £305M and still balance the 3 year PSR calculations.
However, the new UEFA squad squad cost ratio comes into place and while it isn’t the final 70% limitation yet it’s likely Newcastle will aim to get close to that figure to prevent issues going forward.
That SCR is going to be the limiting factor this year so I doubt we’ll get anywhere close to the £305M we could have spent under PSR. At most I’d expect £100M plus sales as our budget.
Really hope I’m wrong but these rules are just too restrictive now it’s ridiculous
@andrewcharlton6080 It's as clear as mud, intentionally too.
Something will have to give soon as the PL is destroying/devaluing its own product.
I'm interested to see what happens with the training kit sponsor, etc, that's been too long coming, and I doubt it's down to the club as they need the income to grow.
@@craiglee3653 It may be linked to the plans around a new training ground. If they think they can get a much higher long term contract for training kit and ground after they build the new one they may be holding off.
Ideally it would be good to get a sponsorship deal for a couple of years to bring money in but if all of the companies want a 5-10 deal we might be tying ourselves in to a lower deal over that time.
Who knows though, it does seem an obvious and easy way to get some income so there will be a good reason for not doing it yet
The way the club has operated so far this window and the players we have enquired about, it does look like the money is there to spend on a RW for sure. Potentially the money saved on a keeper so far has reinforced that possibility.
@@tfnufc. I think we will spend and while under PSR we would be able to spend big I think SCR will hold us back.
Even then I think we’ll spend up to £40M on a CB (I’d love us to spend more and go for Silva though), I think we’ll spend up to £60M on the RW and £20-30M on a young striker (hoped we might have took a chance on Liam Delap from City for £20M but last I heard he was going to Ipswich)
I agree with a lot of your comments, the club needs to have a better window, they need to show intent, they need to back Howe and I agree where we need to strengthen.
I just disagree with some of your panel that we should expect top 5. Financially, it’s just not a level playing field, each year we are underdogs and it’s a decent achievement to finish above any of them, if this year we need 2 of those teams plus Villa to drop off to get 5th and that’s not easy.
No Europe will help and I’m hopefully but it will be an big achievement to get Europe this season and a huge achievement to get CL football again
Oi...Harry kane won fuck all in the Pl...we don't want a team that wins, WE WANT A TEAM THAT TRYS
PSR guys.
Your just adding pressure on peoples shoulders, we ARE a wip, and progress IS needed, but money is key here, we not at the corrupt 6 level yet. We will also find out in the short term which players actually joined for the "project". Remember 22-23 we shocked alot of opposition with our play and finished 4th. 23-24 was absolutely down to rotten luck with injuries. 24-25 I'd be happy 6th. The people running the club aren't stupid.
Knockin on 3 years now and in terms of physical infrastructure which they are allowed to spend on - the Sports Direct signage has come down and the training ground has had a lick of paint . It doesnt smack of ambition and doesnt bode well for future investment
how would we have paid for 2 players in Jan with FFP limitations - we would have had to sell even more in june - we probably would have lost Gordon or Isak to balance the books. There's nothing else to discuss - FFP is the only issue, and it is a huge issue.
All the talk of "backing Howe," look at the financial emergency we were in at the end of June. We didn't have the money to spend cuz of the BS PSR
We’ll need to spend £150 million to get near top 4
Buy a left back? Seriously! 4th is an unrealistic expectation unless we get some elite signings but it's what we need.
Also how on earth were we going to buy two players in January with our PSR problems? And yes the summer signings were awful when faced with the Champions League fixtures.
So we can’t spend really big or outspend the rest of the big clubs yet we should be challenging for the top spot according to these four. How does that work then, yet say we underachieved last season when we lost our goalkeeper and entire back 4 apart from Scharr for large chunks of the season. Let’s see we finished seventh last season yet what clubs above us would have Dubravka, Krafth, Lascelles, Longstaff, Murphy, Almiron and a 17 year old Lewis Miley who all played a huge amount of games in their first team. One last thing to say we should of signed two more players in January, seriously what are you talking about we had to sell Anderson and Minteh to raise the £50 million for psr at the end of June so if we had spent in January we would have had to of had a fire sale and every player worth any value would of been up for grabs.
This makes sense guts, we love Eddie, however he has a young family wife ect, if he is offered the national job, part time 5 million quid per Yr, and given Mitchell has prevoius with Poch....I think the righting is on the wall. I don't like it..but that's our path
Not so sure about Darren Eales, wasn't happy with him basically telling the world about selling players coz of pif, made me feel very uncomfortable, does he know the track record of the previous owner, with Amanda it showed she was bothered about the effect of the changes would have on the fans and wanted to keep everyone in the loop, Eales just with that statement made me feel like everyone is disposable, he needs to keep in mind that the reason our biggest success is at home games and doesn't want to alienate the fans and treat us like numbers, and don't tip off the opposition when we might be in a tight situation, the Gordon situation really got my back up and because Eales had let teams know we maybe had to sell one of our best players it made it harder to offload the ones we needed to sell
was voltary lol made ,money lol - interview mr richard from the FA lol DO DO IT
We need to get to the next level if eddie can't get us to Europe I think he is in trouble
End of the day we played most the season without our best players so were we finished plus champion leugue on top we over achieved in my opinion
Looks like she has got herself into some financial strife.
Do these people not understand that FFP exists?
Eddie Howe improves every player and plays front foot exciting football, he is quality. It would be unfair to expect him to produce champions league football with the current player group. Every player that is not going to be better next season than last needs to be shipped out and upgraded. Examples Lascelles, Dubravka, Ritchie, Longstaff, Miggy, Wilson, Trippier, Schar, Burn. All of which can still fetch a price but may not soon. These players are not getting top 5 this season.
PSR limited every thing
Sorry these guys make me laugh