Acrylic vs Casein: Similarities and Differences Side by Side Comparison

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024

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  • @Anonymoi
    @Anonymoi 11 месяцев назад +4

    I love casein because of its versatility and want to start using it more frequently. There is an artist on RUclips, Andrew Barrowman, who uses it in a very loose, sketchy way, like watercolor or gouache, for plein air sketching on paper. One thing, which you did touch on in a response to an earlier comment, is that it is not very physically flexible, and, like oils, it just continues to get more and more brittle as it cures. The rule of thumb I always see is to paint it on a rigid surface. A lot of people use it on paper and that seems to work as long as it is applied very thinly (and it works well being thinned down as much as watercolor.) If you wanted to paint a finished work with some build-up of paint, a panel would be the best support for it.

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  11 месяцев назад +1

      Awesome info. Thanks so much for adding this :)

  • @user-sb3wh3dd4v
    @user-sb3wh3dd4v 2 года назад +1

    Excellent concise video! I wish the internet existed before I spent so much time and money experimenting to learn over months what you showed here in minutes. THANK YOU!

  • @finessence808
    @finessence808 3 года назад +3

    I'm just getting into Casein this video is awesome, thank you!

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад

      Glad you enjoyed it! Let me know how it goes with the casein.

    • @finessence808
      @finessence808 3 года назад

      @@RLDSTUDIO have you compared the matte finish of casein to matte acrylic?

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад +1

      @@finessence808 I haven't actually tried that. I don't have any specifically matte acrylics that I know of. I have some matte varnish that I put on acrylics at the end sometimes. I'll have to try that and see how they compare.

  • @kbm506
    @kbm506 2 года назад +1

    Excellent video, really helpful!

  • @joaneklein4280
    @joaneklein4280 Год назад

    Great demo, thanks for this one!

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  Год назад

      Thanks. I've been thinking of painting something... like a single subject in both casein and acrylic to compare the results side by side... could even extend that to oils, color pencils etc. What medium do you use the most?

  • @lmorton6080
    @lmorton6080 9 месяцев назад

    Can you use both on the same canvas? Or, can you layer them on top of each other? Does one work better as the base for the other?

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks for the great question :) First off I wouldn't recommend using casein on canvas unless it's watered down. It's not as flexible as acrylic and will likely crack if painted on as normal or thickly on a canvas as the surface moves over time. It's great on paper. I've heard of using casein as an underpainting for acrylic and even mixing them painting wet into wet - bit not sure it would work the other way around. I haven't experimented with them enough to say what the pros and cons are. I have also heard painting casein over acrylic would likely result in cracking. Maybe I'll do some tests and make a video on that :)

  • @jonesjangle9252
    @jonesjangle9252 3 года назад

    Very helpful video!

  • @juliemiscera267
    @juliemiscera267 Год назад

    What I have liked about casein is 1) that it is matte, 2) that it is opaque so I don't have to do a couple of coats to get it to cover, 3) that it does not have that plasticky look when you have it thick. 4) that you are able to rehydrate it while using it to blend. What I don't like are the smaller tubes, but also sometimes it dries in the tube, so maybe it is good that you are not buying big tubes of it just to lose it.

  • @kwokkwokkayingkwokkwokkayi3630
    @kwokkwokkayingkwokkwokkayi3630 3 года назад

    Helpful video!! Thanks

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад

      Thanks - glad you found it useful.

  • @robinjeree
    @robinjeree 3 года назад

    extremely helpful! Thanks

  • @TheAmazingSpaghetti
    @TheAmazingSpaghetti 8 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the video, though you mentioned oils needing solvents, you don't need solvents (not talking about water miscible oils, I mean regular oil paint). Lot's of paint in oils without solvents for health reasons, including me.

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  8 месяцев назад

      I use solvents to thin oil paint for varnishes and to clean brushes. Do you have a method for doing those things without solvents?

    • @TheAmazingSpaghetti
      @TheAmazingSpaghetti 8 месяцев назад

      There are a lot of youtube videos on the subject that can go into more detail than I could here. You can even leave your brushes soaking in oil for weeks between cleaning them. @@RLDSTUDIO

  • @jonesjangle9252
    @jonesjangle9252 3 года назад

    Thanks man!

  • @antisaar8639
    @antisaar8639 3 года назад

    Thanks! I wonder if you can paint acrylic over casein (as on a kitchen wall for instance)?

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад

      I think it might work, but I’d check out James Gurney’s blog and videos as he works in both mediums and may have covered this topic.

  • @Moongate703
    @Moongate703 Год назад

    Hi. Thank you for this video. Can you use the paints together? E.g. if you are transitioning from one to the other and want to use up the old medium.

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  Год назад

      Yep - you can use them together… I haven’t done that very much so can’t offer specific advice, but yes it can be done.

    • @daqvidscottsoriano
      @daqvidscottsoriano Год назад

      @@RLDSTUDIO Great video. I mix both to use as a paint binder. Varying ratio . I follow value changes as a given paint dries over days. I use clear acrylic gesso.

  • @Islam4all-0
    @Islam4all-0 2 года назад

    Helpful video !Thanks , I'm thinking of painting an archery bow. Will the Casein fit for that, is it flexible or will it crack? Does it become hard like gypsum when it dries, or is it flexible like acrylic?

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  2 года назад

      I think it's a little harder and more brittle than acrylic... ends up kinda chalky. I'd probably go with acrylic over casein for a bow. Either way, you should seal the paint in some way with a varnish or something. Acrylic has a stronger binder - keep in mind I'm not an expert on casein - just sharing my early experiences with it... mostly around texture and color differences.

    • @Islam4all-0
      @Islam4all-0 2 года назад

      @@RLDSTUDIO thank you so much its extremely helpful .

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  2 года назад

      @@Islam4all-0 also above I meant acrylic instead of casein not acrylic on top of casein - :)

    • @Islam4all-0
      @Islam4all-0 2 года назад

      @@RLDSTUDIO No worries, thanks you for the clarification , regards

  • @jackiegarroutte8970
    @jackiegarroutte8970 4 года назад

    Very helpful....do you paint with casein often and which do you prefer?

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  4 года назад

      I've only started using casein consistently this year. I like the feel of it, but I'm still getting used to it. So I'm way more comfortable with acrylic and prefer it for now, but that's probably because I've been using it for over 20 years.

    • @margarettownsend4141
      @margarettownsend4141 3 года назад

      That was so helpful to see how the casein looks when dry. Does it have about the same drying time as acrylic, or is it a little faster or slower? I hope you’ll share any information you have about the casein as you use it more. Thank you!

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад +1

      @@margarettownsend4141 Glad you found it helpful. If anything I'd say casein dries a little faster than acrylic, so pretty fast. I plan to make some more casein videos so stay tuned :)

  • @jonesjangle9252
    @jonesjangle9252 3 года назад

    I do some miniature model painting and I often thin down acrylics to a very thin glaze with water/medium.
    How does casein react to being thinned with water in terms of stability of the binder, translucency, and consistency?

    • @jonesjangle9252
      @jonesjangle9252 3 года назад

      Also does it have a rough texture when you're looking up close? Or is it smooth as an acrylic? On small scales like warhammer miniatures texture is very noticable.

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад +1

      I haven’t used casein that way too much. I’d say it’s similar to watercolor when watered down, but not as vibrant.

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад +1

      I’d say it’s pretty smooth, not sure how it will adhere to metal though, never tried that.

    • @jonesjangle9252
      @jonesjangle9252 3 года назад

      cool thanks :)
      most mini painters prime their models with an acrylic-polyurethane product allowing good adhesion of acrylics to metal, polystyrene, and resin models. so i figure if casein has adhesion at least on par with acrylics it would work just fine as it is going over primer.

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад

      @@jonesjangle9252 Casein has a milk protein based binder. It's pretty stable. I know you can mix it with acrylic and paint acrylic over it - so I'm sure it will work. I do think it's creamy and settles well, but it does have more of matte / chalky finish than acrylic. I guess if you try it let me know how it goes.

  • @nidaljabarin4743
    @nidaljabarin4743 3 года назад

    What is the best to paint with casein tempera on canvas or paper?

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад +1

      Casein paint and tempera paint are 2 different things. I've only used casein on paper. Both paints are more brittle than acrylic, oil or watercolor and can crack over time on surfaces that are flexible. I think tempera is even more thin and brittle than casein and is best used on a rigid surface like wood from what I've heard, but I've never really used it. Google James Gurney, he's a great resource for info on these types of paints. Hope this helps.

    • @wirrbel
      @wirrbel 3 года назад

      @@RLDSTUDIO in German Casein Paint is called Kaseintempera, I think it is a traditional name for for casein paint. The tempera you refer to is I think also called Eggtempera.

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад

      @@wirrbel awesome - thanks for the info. Yeah I was speaking only about my limited knowledge of egg tempera. Good to know about the German name. Very interesting.

  • @joebeamish
    @joebeamish 3 года назад

    Does it matter what kind of brush you use for casein?

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад +1

      Yes - If you care about your brushes use synthetic ones with casein. Apparently casein has ammonia in it and that can be hard on natural fibers. I personally use whatever brushes I have on hand with whatever paint I’m painting with. Hopefully I’ll get better about taking care of my brushes one day.

  • @JimArnoldPhoto
    @JimArnoldPhoto 3 года назад

    My bet is the new Golden SoFlat will be the closest match to Casein in dry finish.

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад

      Yeah. I'll have to pick some of that up and try it out.

  • @hmusicvisions6554
    @hmusicvisions6554 3 года назад

    is casein creamy like gouache?

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад

      Yes, I’d say maybe even a little more so.

  • @maudale
    @maudale 3 года назад +1

    Why is casein so difficult to find in art suplly stores? Noone really sells it

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад

      The Richeson company is the only manufacturer of quality casein that I know of. They make a couple different brands. I just buy it online because it's hard to find in stores. According to James Gurney, gouache is a similar paint that you can substitute and try.

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад

      Here's a couple link to what I bought on Amazon...
      Casein Basic Colors: amzn.to/2PU47xY
      Casein Alternate Colors: amzn.to/323QYbw

    • @maudale
      @maudale 3 года назад

      @@RLDSTUDIO I mainly use gouache, but the advantage of casein is that it can be used as an underlayer, gouache will reactivate, so it's very difficult to layer cleanly. For some dark underlayers, I use markers and paint over that, but casein would be ideal, as I had no idea it remained put once it dried :( It probably didn't really sell

    • @RLDSTUDIO
      @RLDSTUDIO  3 года назад

      maudale that makes total sense. Casein seals in pretty well for sure. Acrylic is fairly stable too depending on the brand. The acrylic markers I’ve used seem very soluble and I don’t like that at all. They basically reactivate with any wetness as opposed to acrylic out of the tube or casein.

    • @JimArnoldPhoto
      @JimArnoldPhoto 3 года назад

      Cheap Joes and Jerry’s Sells it. Many local art supply stores do not, or are discontinuing it because the demand is so low.