Could This ELECTRIC Plane CHANGE Float Planes Forever?

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  • Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024

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  • @flavoie
    @flavoie День назад +20

    Yay! 🎉 Two of my favorite things: Beaver float planes and electric drive🎉 Lower maintenance is a big plus!!! Great info and interview!

  • @BillCarlson
    @BillCarlson День назад +27

    I love this!! Erika was clearly super knowledgeable and passionate about the electrification of air transport. Can't wait to take an electric flight one day. :)

  • @DaveRead-u5u
    @DaveRead-u5u День назад +8

    Wow - excellent video Nikki. That company is impressive and we hope a lot of charging and aeronautical engineers see this and are motivated. Again, great video (much better than an Air BNB one :).

  • @barriewebster7406
    @barriewebster7406 17 часов назад +3

    It’s so thrilling to see you feature Harbour Air’s EV venture on your channel. Harbour Air is essential to meet our transportation needs on the BC south coast and is incredibly useful for getting to and from Victoria and Vancouver. The Otter and Twin Otter are the backbone of this service. When they are eventually converted, not only will the travel be emissions-free, the folks who live on the waterfront next to the designated YWH runways in Victoria will be spared the associated fuel odours as the planes take off.

  • @capnkirk5528
    @capnkirk5528 18 часов назад +7

    I've been following Harbour Air for several years.
    De Havilland Canada has (I believe) a real opportunity to electrify some of the world's most iconic aircraft using the trail being blazed here. Given a small, "green" and relatively low-cost, LOW-NOISE solution I strongly suspect there would be a LOT of demand.
    Air travel is ripe for disruption, and unlike cars it is not likely to be "more of the same" since airports are already capacity-constrained around the world. A lot of the rush is for EVTOLs, but an electric version of any of a number of original DHC aircraft (i.e. DASH 7) COULD have a shorter path to certification as electric since it would be mostly a powerplant change.

  • @MarcoNierop
    @MarcoNierop 22 часа назад +9

    Harbor Air is working on this for many years already, 10 December 2019 the first e-Beaver flight took place.
    I was a bit surprised they do not have the charging issue sorted out better, with only one 60Kw charger and a clumsy mobile charger. Here in The Netherlands we see more and more electric boats, and fast chargers appear in several harbors around the country.

    • @ChuckvdL
      @ChuckvdL 11 часов назад

      @@MarcoNierop with a lot of testing you’re taking a fair bit of time between test flights, so there’s ample time to charge at a rate like 60KW. That might take 2 hours or more (how big was their pack?)
      The need for faster charging comes when you need faster turnaround.

    • @patreekotime4578
      @patreekotime4578 7 часов назад

      I think the main issue is that onboard fast chargers add significant weight and take up space. There is apparently some work being done on routing charging through the motor of some EVs to eliminate the need for an on board charger, but its experiemental afaik.

    • @MarcoNierop
      @MarcoNierop 6 часов назад

      @@ChuckvdL Yeah, that is true, but in all these years you would expect they would have thought about this a little more and develop some solutions.

  • @FordGT40MkIV
    @FordGT40MkIV 21 час назад +2

    I lived in the San Juan Islands in the 80s and 90s and took Harbor Air to/from Seattle now and then. The Beaver is a great plane and theirs are very well maintained (I think they were made in the 40s). So glad they are making this investment. Thanks for the great story.

  • @AdrianoCasemiro
    @AdrianoCasemiro 13 часов назад +2

    Transport evolved Indeed! All I can say is that this is the best source of information for transport electrification. And yes, I am an aviation nerd. Great job, Nikki.

  • @pfunk768
    @pfunk768 23 часа назад +6

    Not to mention most propeller planes still use LEADED fuel, including harbour air

  • @gusbarber00
    @gusbarber00 23 часа назад +1

    This was great I loved it. No one else at the show thought to do a story on the EBeaver that I know of. I have been following this story for a long time so it was nice to have the update.
    It also made me chuckle the thought of Nikki hugging the mascot lol.

  • @Russwig
    @Russwig 20 часов назад +2

    255... Neat! Complete and efficient. Can't wait for the utilized design of this tech. Keep Evolving!

  • @leebiggs2844
    @leebiggs2844 День назад +4

    I'm sure Kenmore Air here in Puget Sound is following this closely as they operate Beavers to Victoria, Vancouver, and the San Juan islands as well.

  • @louisjov
    @louisjov День назад +3

    Float and Bush planes are ubiquitous here in Alaska. I would love to see a discussion on these in more remote places

  • @MrChris20912
    @MrChris20912 16 часов назад +2

    Love seeing the progress in electric flight!
    Though it was also interesting to briefly hear about the port side charging network needs.

  • @TinkerTry
    @TinkerTry 13 часов назад +1

    Great work here! I filmed a similar video at Harbour Air the same day as you, and Erika was just fantastic to everybody. It was fun to see your professional video equipment, and this final result looks great, and I learned stuff I forgot to ask during my time with Harbour Air.
    It's a longshot, but I'm reaching out to some folks I know in the EV charging business and see what I can come up with, including engineers who got the Pipistrel electric airplane charging from a Ford F-150 Lightning.

  • @triplec8375
    @triplec8375 11 часов назад +2

    Another excellent video! Kudos to Harbor Air, Magnix and, of course, Nikki. The bulk of humanity worldwide lives in or very near a coastal community. There is a huge market potential for providing cost-effective and convenient transportation between coastal cities and between islands for places as diverse as Hawai'i, Scandinavia, Southeast U.S., , the Philippines, and the Mediterranean basin. While float planes work well in certain geographies, the much larger opportunity will likely be for new aircraft such as the Jekta PHA-ZE 100 which will be amphibious and the Regent Viceroy sea glider which is a wing-in-ground-effect vehicle. Both can be built as pure electric or hydrogen hybrid.

  • @matthewbaynham6286
    @matthewbaynham6286 22 часа назад +3

    They should put the batteries in the floats.
    When you fast charge you need battery cooling, which will be easy to design in if the floats are in ice cold water.

    • @stvrob6320
      @stvrob6320 20 часов назад +5

      Putting all that weight in the floats could lower the center of gravity and alter the handling characteristics of the aircraft significantly. This would probably affect its certification. Best to change as little as possible in this regard.

  • @MarkSpohr
    @MarkSpohr 22 часа назад +1

    I recently flew in a (very old) Beaver from Key West to Dry Tortugas National Park. This would be a great route for an electric Beaver. Short flight, low altitude (saw lots of turtles, etc.)

  • @irnbrukidsm
    @irnbrukidsm День назад +3

    Absolutely brilliant informative video which demonstrates a new future

  • @jamesphillips2285
    @jamesphillips2285 День назад +4

    Why drown out the prop noise with music?

    • @timscarman4599
      @timscarman4599 9 часов назад

      Just commented exactly on that. What were they thinking…. did ask for a re-upload so we could hear the electric powered propellor sound, esp once airborne.

  • @nefrojas
    @nefrojas 22 часа назад +3

    This is so way extra super cool.

  • @gryzman
    @gryzman 17 часов назад +1

    Used to live in Vancouver , briefly - miss the place and walks

  • @pingnick
    @pingnick 17 часов назад +3

    It seems like Nio style battery switching technology should be aggressively pursued in aviation though water fleets different challenges perhaps?🔋🤯

    • @pingnick
      @pingnick 17 часов назад +1

      Wild that I saw somewhere an a350 is OVER AN HOUR to fully fuel!? so potentially for small planes ~instant battery switching very alluring?

  • @robertbetancourt1386
    @robertbetancourt1386 11 часов назад +1

    The beaver from 1937 is the original air frame.

  • @oOCentralSunOo
    @oOCentralSunOo 16 часов назад +1

    It's amazing what one small company can do

  • @markallan9528
    @markallan9528 7 минут назад

    Awesome interview and learned so much. Seems like some of these companies have been on their own. Hope their partnership/teaming works through the changes as soon as possible and their ev planes are off and flying! Please keep following their progress.

  • @olebloom1641
    @olebloom1641 День назад +2

    Fun and informative episode.

  • @stevewausa
    @stevewausa 16 часов назад +1

    This was fascinating, appreciate the update.

  • @ResidentNetizen
    @ResidentNetizen 18 часов назад +1

    A very impressive report!

  • @davidpenlington2753
    @davidpenlington2753 8 часов назад

    Great to hear people who know what their talking about.

  • @Pottery4Life
    @Pottery4Life 17 часов назад +1

    Thank you.

  • @kotgc7987
    @kotgc7987 6 часов назад

    Make fluffy beaver happier with a gentle warm touch of sun on those beaver wings, sitting in the sun all day = ~10 kWh of free solar power...digital is the way.

  • @timscarman4599
    @timscarman4599 9 часов назад +1

    Pity about the music at the end, really wanted to hear the electric powered propeller sound, esp. once in the air…. Please re-upload without music masking the plane, that’d be awesome…. Good vid btw.

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  9 часов назад

      As our editor noted - we can't. We'd get a copyright take-down. There was music playing from nearby the docks, and that would potentially result in a take-down notice.

  • @danielmadar9938
    @danielmadar9938 18 часов назад +1

    Thanks

  • @VitalStatistics-t7t
    @VitalStatistics-t7t 18 часов назад +1

    Great video!

  • @flyingpuck15
    @flyingpuck15 10 часов назад

    I hate to be a downer, IMO we NEED the next level of battery technology to make E-Aviation viable. When you have a runaway lithium fire on an airplane, you can’t just pull over on the side of the road and jump out. Charging times are too long and charging at remote sites that don’t have superchargers won’t work so you need to have enough energy on board to go out and back. I think there is a viable application for electric aviation, and that would be training teaching new pilots. You’re taking off and landing at the same airport. training flights can be about an hour long, and you can have swappable batteries.

  • @stvrob6320
    @stvrob6320 20 часов назад +1

    How does propeller pitch control work? I would guess that since an electric motor can develop nearly max torque at any speed, the need for constant speed prop systems could be eliminated or at least greatly simplified.

    • @waynesimpson2074
      @waynesimpson2074 19 часов назад +1

      Yes, I was also thinking along the lines of magnified torque roll from throttle application? Great to hear these women talking about Beavers, I love them so does Harrison Ford.

    • @AerialWaviator
      @AerialWaviator 13 часов назад +1

      Propeller pitch is typically controlled hydraulically. Changing pitch is less about managing torque, and more to do with ensuring the blades (really just smaller wings) operated at the most efficient angle. Just as the main wing will not be very efficient if was twisted vertical relative to forward speed, similar with the blades. At low speed they are flat and increase pitch as speed increases. Operating at closer to ideal pitch also reduces noise.

  • @andyroid7339
    @andyroid7339 2 часа назад

    Great video Nikki! Just a thought - why have retractable floats not a thing yet? Surely the extra mass of the retractor mechanism would outweigh the energy used in overcoming the drag of large 'unhidden' proportion (I envisage that the floats would tuck into the body, exposed on one side only and still be streamlined) of the float and supports? Any engineers there who could enlighten me please?

  • @michaelsmithers4900
    @michaelsmithers4900 17 часов назад +1

    Awesome content! Nice to see what’s going on in another realm of transportation.
    I do wonder how many sacrifices are being made to get through certification more easily. It’s like and EV built on top of an ICE platform vs. on a dedicated platform…

    • @ChuckvdL
      @ChuckvdL 11 часов назад

      @@michaelsmithers4900 that’s a good question. I’m sure there’s some compromises, but I expect a lot depends on how much of the ICE infrastructure like fuel tanks still remains in place as dead weight. Or if the tanks are removed and replaced with an equal weight in batteries (because that’s where the weight was designed to be)
      It’s not like there’s a transmission/exhaust tunnel on a prop plane.

    • @patreekotime4578
      @patreekotime4578 6 часов назад

      I'm not sure "sacrifices" is the right word here. There are actually great advantages to using an established plane with well understood flight characteristics and mechanicals, from the perspective of the pilots, mechanics, and regulators, etc. It also likely dramatically lowers the cost of entry compared to having new planes manufactured, and ensures that classic airframes will remain flying in the future.

  • @chrisbailey5055
    @chrisbailey5055 22 часа назад +1

    6:58 glad she mentioned hydrogen...fuell cell technology makes a lot of sense for fixed wing aircraft....and combustible hydrogen is coming as well.

    • @DugganSean
      @DugganSean 13 часов назад +1

      @@chrisbailey5055 there's a few kinks to be worked out with combustible hydrogen.. Unless you have a link to some new engine i can read about, but I've yet to see anything that makes me think it's ever going to be be better than current gas engines and ev with battery.

    • @chrisbailey5055
      @chrisbailey5055 2 часа назад

      @@DugganSean can't post links here, but I can on the discord if you are on the TE discord

  • @SmoochyRoo
    @SmoochyRoo 20 часов назад +2

    I can definitely see them purchasing a few Joby EVTOLs with floats, Joby flew theirs on hydrogen fuel cells for 500+ miles recently

    • @michaelsmithers4900
      @michaelsmithers4900 17 часов назад +2

      Only issue I see there is the continued reliance on fossil fuel…

  • @rklein
    @rklein 9 часов назад

    I would imagine taking off from the water surface would be a huge drag.

  • @BudahOfBirmingham
    @BudahOfBirmingham 3 часа назад

    Great information, I’d like to know if it’s quieter than gas and running costs lower

  • @NeilBlanchard
    @NeilBlanchard 23 часа назад +1

    Excellent! I'll bet the eBeaver is a lot quieter?
    Slight correction for Erika Holtz - it's an electric *motor* - though later in the interview, she got it right.

    • @MarcoNierop
      @MarcoNierop 22 часа назад

      Not really, the sound of the propeller is overwhelming the sound of the radial or turbo engine, so the electric drive train doesn't really make it quieter.. Maybe only a littlebit during taxi.

    • @NeilBlanchard
      @NeilBlanchard 20 часов назад

      @@MarcoNierop so the engine noise or vibration and exhaust noise are not present - but it's no quieter? I am skeptical...

    • @stvrob6320
      @stvrob6320 20 часов назад

      The propeller itself is what causes most of the noise.

    • @NeilBlanchard
      @NeilBlanchard 20 часов назад

      @@stvrob6320 yes, but sound pressure level is cumulative, and thousands of explosions per minute are not quiet.

    • @erikaholtz785
      @erikaholtz785 20 часов назад +2

      To be certified under FAR Part 33 as an Aircraft Engine the electric motor with inverters is defined as an engine. It has been a difficult transition to that verbiage.

  • @rklein
    @rklein 9 часов назад

    Also, what are the advantages to the passengers choosing to ride the electric versus gas planes?

  • @peterjaniceforan3080
    @peterjaniceforan3080 11 часов назад

    Hopefully in my lifetime 🙏

  • @enzoticus6378
    @enzoticus6378 22 часа назад

    A great interview. Considering the large and relatively flat surface of the wing the Aperta light weight solar system would be a great boon the these planes.

    • @michaelsmithers4900
      @michaelsmithers4900 17 часов назад

      That’s a great idea, I wonder if there would be a significant weight penalty? Definitely some good surface area!

  • @rbdogwood
    @rbdogwood 5 часов назад

    excellent

  • @grantralston4805
    @grantralston4805 День назад

    Great video, all new info to me.

  • @scottstormcarter9603
    @scottstormcarter9603 8 часов назад

    So important in Alaska, will Canada dominate electric float planes?

  • @222INFINITY
    @222INFINITY 21 час назад +2

    Our future electric world all comes down to battery advancements and hydrogen, we're getting close!!!!!!!

  • @willburk
    @willburk 21 час назад +1

    Why can't they find a charger? Aren't there several car manufacturers installing 800V chargers in their cars?!? Also, pretty sure with a tweak or two they can just use two 400V chargers in series.

    • @ChuckvdL
      @ChuckvdL 17 часов назад +1

      Onboard AC chargers in EV’s are typically limited power because most homes don’t have >60amp circuits. Above 20KW is very rare. It’s enough to fully recharge overnight, on a typical residential 240v circuit (9-12KW). But not to full recharge in an hour or two. Charging above that is typically DC.
      Level1 = 120VAC input
      Level2= 240VAC input

    • @willburk
      @willburk 17 часов назад +1

      @@ChuckvdL I thought they said they were having trouble finding a Level 2 charger that could do 800V. Maybe I need to watch again.

    • @willburk
      @willburk 17 часов назад +1

      @@ChuckvdLI was right, check 12:20. They're looking for a Level 2 charger that'll go up to 800V.

    • @ChuckvdL
      @ChuckvdL 12 часов назад

      @@willburk with most 800v electric vehicles the level 1&2 “charger” is onboard, and what most people call a charger is EVSE that just provides 120/240vac to the vehicle. In this case they really are talking about the charger, not just EVSE. They might have to look at something designed for a 800v car. The majority of what’s out there in the retrofit market is designed for under 750 or under. But even lucid, who has one of the best, has a max Level2 acceptance rate of 19KW.
      Since they are talking about DC voltages, but also saying “level2” but WAY higher than typical L2 power levels I don’t know what to think.. those are normally orthogonal terms

    • @ChuckvdL
      @ChuckvdL 10 часов назад

      @@willburk oh also, the way most 800v cars deal with older DC chargers that don’t support >500VDC is to have internal systems to step up the voltage. Lucid uses their wonder box, but it’s limited to 50KW. E-GMP cars use the rear motor in conjunction with their inverter to step up the voltage, but that’s limited to 100KW. (vs a typical peak 240KW charging rate on a proper fully NEVI compliant charger). Without their motor the E-GMP approach wouldn’t be usable here, and the lucid technology doesn’t improve on the 60KW they already have. I think the same is true for Porsche, so no help to be had trying to borrow auto-EV tech.

  • @johnpalmer5131
    @johnpalmer5131 16 часов назад +1

    I would think a range extender ICE add-on option (say in the floats pontoons) would really make this more viable.

    • @michaelsmithers4900
      @michaelsmithers4900 9 часов назад

      @@johnpalmer5131 adding more weight? It already has range extenders, wings.

  • @mrxmry3264
    @mrxmry3264 7 часов назад

    funny, when i saw the thumbnail, i thought this was a fully charged video. and then nikki appeared on the screen.

  • @ashtaroth1975
    @ashtaroth1975 День назад +1

    I'm having deja vu, 5 years ago they were also in the prototype phase and it's still not available?

    • @Pottery4Life
      @Pottery4Life 17 часов назад

      I have the same feeling. My guess would be funding.

  • @AdrianMcDaid
    @AdrianMcDaid 23 часа назад +1

    Why cant the batteries go in the skies or af lease some of then

    • @fonkenful
      @fonkenful 21 час назад +1

      Centre of gravity, aerodynamics, perhaps?

    • @AdrianMcDaid
      @AdrianMcDaid 20 часов назад

      @@fonkenful just curious.

    • @fonkenful
      @fonkenful 13 часов назад

      @@AdrianMcDaid To be clear, that was just supposition on my part.

  • @Pottery4Life
    @Pottery4Life 17 часов назад +1

    OK. Maybe I'm messed up, and I'm glad they are making progress, but I could swear they should be MUCH farther along than this. Perhaps they are just really underfunded in this aspect, but I thought they were flying this prototype a couple two or three years ago. Maybe more??? Only have minimal charging infrastructure? I mean, not even a dock side plug-in at ONE of their destinations??? I forget which channel featured them, maybe FC, but Harbour Air seemed ALL IN on electrification at that time. I don't mean to be disparaging, I'm just puzzled.

    • @AlRoderick
      @AlRoderick 14 часов назад +1

      Aircraft development is a long cycle.

    • @llaughridge
      @llaughridge 12 часов назад

      Just because some channel overhyped the state of the prototype several years ago, doesn't mean it isn't exactly on-schedule.

    • @douggarson50
      @douggarson50 11 часов назад +1

      I saw another video on the E Beaver and the Engineer said they lost some momentum due to Covid.

    • @douggarson50
      @douggarson50 10 часов назад +1

      @@AlRoderick Yes and there are at least two additional complications. One is they can't take full advantage of new developments in battery technology. They need to pick a technology and take it thru the certification process which means the aircraft they certify may have a battery technology that is several generations behind the latest generation. Second they certifying a whole new power system which for example has no existing standards for "fuel" reserve etc. So I suspect in some cases they have to wait for the authorities to decide on new rules or perhaps propose to the authorities what the new rules should be and wait for them to accept them as opposed to just designing something based on existing rules and demonstrating that they meet the rules. This was discussed on another video about the E Beaver by another channel.

  • @Vikingj72
    @Vikingj72 22 часа назад +2

    When powering a vehicle with an electric power plant, it is a "MOTOR" not an engine. Gas powered vehicles have "ENGINES" and electric powered have "MOTORS".

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  22 часа назад +4

      Are you feeling better?

    • @stvrob6320
      @stvrob6320 20 часов назад +2

      Both are correct.

    • @erikaholtz785
      @erikaholtz785 20 часов назад +6

      To be certified under FAR Part 33 as an Aircraft Engine the electric motor with inverters is defined as an engine.

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  19 часов назад +2

      Thank you! regulations are important! ❤️

    • @ChuckvdL
      @ChuckvdL 17 часов назад +2

      Definitions 1&3 work. I don’t think regulators care about #2
      engine /ĕn′jĭn/
      noun
      * A machine that converts energy into mechanical force or motion.
      * Such a machine distinguished from an electric, spring-driven, or hydraulic motor by its use of a fuel.
      * A mechanical appliance, instrument, or tool. "engines of war."
      The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition

  • @JHDundrum
    @JHDundrum 23 часа назад

    🙂

  • @jimsouthlondon7061
    @jimsouthlondon7061 7 часов назад

    I thought the babe in the Yellow shirt was actually Nikki and I thought she had lost a load of weight . Yep she was nice 😉

  • @peterjaniceforan3080
    @peterjaniceforan3080 11 часов назад

    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿😋

  • @AerialWaviator
    @AerialWaviator 14 часов назад

    An exceptional presentation.
    Other than avoiding weather, the reason jets need to fly high is they require the colder air aloft (-30 to -40º) to increase their efficiency. Jet engines operating in warm air near the surface are very inefficient, as they need to consume so much more low density air to get the oxygen they require. Since electric motors are not dependent on oxygen, they produce the same power regardless of altitude.

  • @CC-iq2pe
    @CC-iq2pe 2 часа назад

    To help getting more environmentally friendly the hydraulic systems would benefit by using electric actuators instead.