The 6V92 was my favorite diesel of the bunch. I learned to drive a car by timing the shifts with those. Here's to Muni Heritage Weekend! Long live 4574 and 9120!
I was 19 at the time this was filmed. Im from S.F and this damn near brings a tear to my eyes because I really miss those days. I am so far removed from this era. Its almost like a dream now.
I was also 19 back then. Same sentiment. Now I know what my dad was talking about when he'd bring up the green buses of his youth. The color green, not as in emissions.
i was 14 in 2000 and i miss these days so much, those buses would be PACKED with kids after high school got out at washington, such epic fun times crowding the back of the bus playing music hollering at homies rolling blunts and planning out the nights house party missions!
i know Im randomly asking but does anyone know a way to log back into an Instagram account..? I was stupid lost the account password. I appreciate any tips you can offer me
I unfortunately missed all of these buses in action, due to my late arrival in SF, but they sure look and SOUND 5 times better than the ones they have now! Those D60's and MAN's rule!
The engines of the new buses aren't loud? I can't even have a conversation with someone without raising my voice on newer buses and it doesn't help if the A/C is on full blast too. Plus they're gas guzzlers, especially with that EPA stuff used in those engines, a bus from 1970s gets better fuel mileage then a bus built today and most of the buses that appear in this video are from the 1980s and early 90s. Those older buses did have wheelchair lifts and kneeling, so they were accessible for disabled people.
Damn I miss my childhood. I remember seeing all of these back then. I miss how you could hear those 2 Stroke Detroits from blocks away echoing off the buildings. God how I miss it.
This video bringsback memories when I was a kid. I use to imitate the engine sounds of the orion nd new flyer. The new flyers engine sound wad the loudest, could be heard a few blocks away if u had real good hearing
@@evanstonbalce9588 I'd rather have functioning buses, than care about air quality. Reducing performance, endurance, and longevity, for instead worrying about carbon emissions just because sounds good on paper should NEVER be a substitute for practicality. I think "improving air quality" is just an excuse that auto manufacturers like to use to extract more money from the public when they buy their products, and use that money to bribe politicians that can pass new and innovative legislation that carves this country among themselves. Going green means go broke. Why do you think green energy is more expensive and maintenance heavier than diesel.
The 1984 Flyers were the de facto bus of the city. The flyer D902 was utilized exclusively in San Francisco. Those M.A.N.'s were beasts but boy did they drag on the hills!
there was a sweet spot around 2000-2001 where at one point, you could ride a MAN artic, All old flyers both d902, d40hf, d60, e60, e800 trolleys, orion shorties, and the new neoplans and nabis that were slowly taking over. from 2000-2004 was such a diverse lineup i was amazed to see e60 trolleys going up mission as late as 2015
Yeah, and you could also ride the then-brand new ETI 14TrSFs and ETI 15TrSFs during that time as well. A major passing of the torch for San Francisco Muni vehicles! :D
@@munimathbypeterfelton6251 eti' s didn't start service until late 2002 early 2003 all of the M.A.N's were gone by then and about half of the d902 flyers and most of the 1991 New Flyer D60's.
samuel2500 Reply to your comment: Muni has always kept 1 MAN SG-310-18-3A bus. It is SF Muni 6099. It still exists and I have seen it in person many times. They even got it running, but it stalls on the second gear. 6020 got bought by someone and is in Neveda. 6090 got sold on ebay and is now seen at the Burning Man.
Learn Through Music and Lyrics!!! Late 2014. It has many problems and is in terrible shape though. I got inside in summer 2015 and it looked like a ghost town bus.
The trolley coaches were always emissions free. The hybrids of today still produce omissions, just not to the extent that the fleet did back then. I'll say that I'm here because of the memories attributed to these buses, not their carbon footprint. They're around 30 years old, give or take.
The Flyer D901 (Not D902 as many are calling it) have Allison HT-740 transmission. The MANs use MAN engines and Renk Doromat transmissions. With that said everything else you said was correct.
Caesar St. John no 902s were muni and CTA twins by production order specs. Had t drive transmissions and the exhaust stack with a shroud around it. They were special made for those two cities. A.c.transit had 901s from 79 to 83. 79/80 was a Cummins 903 with a v730. Later models were a 6v92 and v730. The 902s had ht740s for climbing hills.
The M.A.N. Busses were a Joke! Word was you had to be far away cause the Articulateds would Swing Out & Hit Something Like a Lamppost, Bus Shelter, or Vehicle, here in L.A. the the Old RTD (Now Metro) Recieved 30 M.A.N's (9200-9229), the 3 Door Models in the Late Summer of 78 & Operated them till the Summer of 90 right after the Blue Line Light Rail Opened Up, they were Assigned to the Busy Wilshire Bl. Network, Old Lines 83, Later 20, 21, 22, 320, 322 (now just 20 & 720 Rapid), & the Old #91, Later #1 (Retired, that Ran from Downtown L.A. to Century City Via Sunset, Hollywood Bl, Fairfax & Santa Monica Bl.). The M.A.N.'s would Swing Out & Sometimes Hit Streetlights, Took Out a Bus Shelter One Time, & I was on the Old 83 Bus on Wilshire when an M.A.N. Artic Sheared Off a Mirror on a Motor Home Parked in Front of the Ritzy Beverly Wilshire & the Operator Kept Going. In 1983 RTD Bought Golden Gates 10 Articulated M.A.N.'s, Single Rear Door & Clear Windows (9250-9259), & Also Hit Objects along the Two RTD Lines at the Time! I don't know what kind of Problems Muni had with its M.A.N.'s, if they Swung Out & Hit Objects & Vehicles in SF, it was a Nice Articulated but Bad Engineering. New Flyer Doesn't have that Problem with its Articulateds, nor did NABI with its Articulateds in which L.A. Metro has over 350 Still in its Fleet (Now Folded in to New Flyer), & I can't Speak for Nova Bus Articulateds.
Ironically, based on your comment, Muni installed bright yellow stickers on the rears of all its New Flyer E60 articulated electric trolleybuses stating "CAUTION: THIS VEHICLE MAKES WIDE TURNS", and showing a diagram of an articulated bus doing just that. But Muni didn't stick those stickers on any other articulated bus fleet from before or after the E60s operated.
I AM FINISHED .... Those 6V92 Flyers & NewFlyers are done. Those were the best buses in the fleet...hands down.... nice and loud.
The 6V92 was my favorite diesel of the bunch. I learned to drive a car by timing the shifts with those. Here's to Muni Heritage Weekend! Long live 4574 and 9120!
1:34 that screaming D60 made my day O___________O
1:06 this sound is my favorite
Actually it's at 1:29
R.I.P old muni buses
0:35 to 0:42 is amazing! I used to know when it was morning as a kid because I'd hear the 2 Clement roaring down the street like that at dawn.
It is indeed a Flyer D902, made exclusively for San Francisco. 4574 is preserved in the historic fleet. Can't wait until Muni Heritage Weekend!!
Those were the days!!!
same, i lived right above a 2 clement bus stop, would always hear that diesel as my alarm clock
I was 19 at the time this was filmed. Im from S.F and this damn near brings a tear to my eyes because I really miss those days. I am so far removed from this era. Its almost like a dream now.
I was also 19 back then. Same sentiment. Now I know what my dad was talking about when he'd bring up the green buses of his youth. The color green, not as in emissions.
Well, I’m 5 Th generation SF, & I remember those green buses! San Francisco is such a special place.
i was 14 in 2000 and i miss these days so much, those buses would be PACKED with kids after high school got out at washington, such epic fun times crowding the back of the bus playing music hollering at homies rolling blunts and planning out the nights house party missions!
i know Im randomly asking but does anyone know a way to log back into an Instagram account..?
I was stupid lost the account password. I appreciate any tips you can offer me
@Dustin Demetrius Instablaster :)
I unfortunately missed all of these buses in action, due to my late arrival in SF, but they sure look and SOUND 5 times better than the ones they have now! Those D60's and MAN's rule!
The engines of the new buses aren't loud? I can't even have a conversation with someone without raising my voice on newer buses and it doesn't help if the A/C is on full blast too. Plus they're gas guzzlers, especially with that EPA stuff used in those engines, a bus from 1970s gets better fuel mileage then a bus built today and most of the buses that appear in this video are from the 1980s and early 90s. Those older buses did have wheelchair lifts and kneeling, so they were accessible for disabled people.
The buses (shot in this video) are powered by Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine with Allison HTB-748 transmission.
I miss these buses really bad 😢 those where the good ol day when there where around
I used to hate these as a kid compared to the more newer ones that Stanford coming out in 01-02 but now they bring back so many memories
Damn I miss my childhood. I remember seeing all of these back then. I miss how you could hear those 2 Stroke Detroits from blocks away echoing off the buildings. God how I miss it.
Buses were tha shit back then. they had that feel.
islandMOBB Most Definitely. They had way more soul too
gotta love muni ...the good ol days
This video bringsback memories when I was a kid. I use to imitate the engine sounds of the orion nd new flyer. The new flyers engine sound wad the loudest, could be heard a few blocks away if u had real good hearing
I knew when it was morning because I could hear the 2 Clement a block away.
I miss these Muni buses, they hardly break down like the new ones do today.
Yeah, but the new ones don't pollute the air as much as the old ones.
@@evanstonbalce9588 I'd rather have functioning buses, than care about air quality. Reducing performance, endurance, and longevity, for instead worrying about carbon emissions just because sounds good on paper should NEVER be a substitute for practicality.
I think "improving air quality" is just an excuse that auto manufacturers like to use to extract more money from the public when they buy their products, and use that money to bribe politicians that can pass new and innovative legislation that carves this country among themselves. Going green means go broke.
Why do you think green energy is more expensive and maintenance heavier than diesel.
Then MAN articulated was a great ride...miss it on the 38.
Happened to see one still in service in Oakland 2013
Remember how the articulated joint used to squeak on those when they pulled out of a stop or turned?
I really miss the 1984 flyers and M.A.Ns
The 1984 Flyers were the de facto bus of the city. The flyer D902 was utilized exclusively in San Francisco. Those M.A.N.'s were beasts but boy did they drag on the hills!
Super!!!
9114 (New Flyer D60)
there was a sweet spot around 2000-2001 where at one point, you could ride a MAN artic, All old flyers both d902, d40hf, d60, e60, e800 trolleys, orion shorties, and the new neoplans and nabis that were slowly taking over. from 2000-2004 was such a diverse lineup i was amazed to see e60 trolleys going up mission as late as 2015
Yeah, and you could also ride the then-brand new ETI 14TrSFs and ETI 15TrSFs during that time as well. A major passing of the torch for San Francisco Muni vehicles! :D
@@munimathbypeterfelton6251 eti' s didn't start service until late 2002 early 2003 all of the M.A.N's were gone by then and about half of the d902 flyers and most of the 1991 New Flyer D60's.
samuel2500 Reply to your comment: Muni has always kept 1 MAN SG-310-18-3A bus. It is SF Muni 6099. It still exists and I have seen it in person many times. They even got it running, but it stalls on the second gear. 6020 got bought by someone and is in Neveda. 6090 got sold on ebay and is now seen at the Burning Man.
+TheCRTman Wow, when did they get 6099 running? I'd love to see (and ride) it in action again after all these years!
Learn Through Music and Lyrics!!! Late 2014. It has many problems and is in terrible shape though. I got inside in summer 2015 and it looked like a ghost town bus.
Weird to think the video was only 9 years old when it was posted, since it was posted 12 years ago.
i use to sleep hella good on the old - man buses cutting school etc lmao
wow these busses actualyl look descent
Back when you could here 6v92's roaring down Market St
...and now the New Flyer Xcelsior buses take over San Francisco.
Yes, they are.
And before that it was Neoplans and Skoda ETI's.
Anyone else like rollsigns better than digital displays? A lot easier to read from a distance
I miss the new flyers and the orions
Ang ganda lugar nice place
I'm so jealous of people who hace ridden detroit powered buses
man i miss the dieselbuses
@wholetost muni still has a couple of old buses in thier fleet but all the man buses are gone to the cusher
I missed 310sg and I was born 1989
0:35
i miss the the 2015 buses my favorite bus was the 8x but they turned it to the 8
The models I get correct were the New Flyer D40, New Flyer D60, and the Orion I buses. I was correct on the "engine" part of the Flyer D901.
The Flyer, Man, and Orion
Although these buses sound nice. It's much nicer to have electric, quiet, emission free buses in the city today.
The trolley coaches were always emissions free. The hybrids of today still produce omissions, just not to the extent that the fleet did back then. I'll say that I'm here because of the memories attributed to these buses, not their carbon footprint. They're around 30 years old, give or take.
I just wish that at least some were high floor buses like these.
Sg310 man muni was build 1984 it retired 2004
The Flyer D901 (Not D902 as many are calling it) have Allison HT-740 transmission. The MANs use MAN engines and Renk Doromat transmissions. With that said everything else you said was correct.
Caesar St. John no 902s were muni and CTA twins by production order specs. Had t drive transmissions and the exhaust stack with a shroud around it. They were special made for those two cities. A.c.transit had 901s from 79 to 83. 79/80 was a Cummins 903 with a v730. Later models were a 6v92 and v730. The 902s had ht740s for climbing hills.
they still could have kept them just do engine swaps to hybrid get new transmission's and get all new circuit fuse's right lol
Those busses are old. In later years, they replaced them with new ones.
why did the 54 line turn right from san jose into geneva?
hitdank I think the route was a little different back then
Route 54 use to run on San Jose and Ocean Avenues until Muni changed it.
Yes it is.
still prefer their electric trolley counterparts, which are much quieter and emission free.
They require less maintenance but their operation is not as flexible as diesel buses.
The M.A.N. Busses were a Joke! Word was you had to be far away cause the Articulateds would Swing Out & Hit Something Like a Lamppost, Bus Shelter, or Vehicle, here in L.A. the the Old RTD (Now Metro) Recieved 30 M.A.N's (9200-9229), the 3 Door Models in the Late Summer of 78 & Operated them till the Summer of 90 right after the Blue Line Light Rail Opened Up, they were Assigned to the Busy Wilshire Bl. Network, Old Lines 83, Later 20, 21, 22, 320, 322 (now just 20 & 720 Rapid), & the Old #91, Later #1 (Retired, that Ran from Downtown L.A. to Century City Via Sunset, Hollywood Bl, Fairfax & Santa Monica Bl.).
The M.A.N.'s would Swing Out & Sometimes Hit Streetlights, Took Out a Bus Shelter One Time, & I was on the Old 83 Bus on Wilshire when an M.A.N. Artic Sheared Off a Mirror on a Motor Home Parked in Front of the Ritzy Beverly Wilshire & the Operator Kept Going.
In 1983 RTD Bought Golden Gates 10 Articulated M.A.N.'s, Single Rear Door & Clear Windows (9250-9259), & Also Hit Objects along the Two RTD Lines at the Time!
I don't know what kind of Problems Muni had with its M.A.N.'s, if they Swung Out & Hit Objects & Vehicles in SF, it was a Nice Articulated but Bad Engineering.
New Flyer Doesn't have that Problem with its Articulateds, nor did NABI with its Articulateds in which L.A. Metro has over 350 Still in its Fleet (Now Folded in to New Flyer), & I can't Speak for Nova Bus Articulateds.
No SF Muni had no problem with our M.A.N infact if the engine's didn't over heat they could have lasted up until early 2004 like the Flyer D902's did.
Ironically, based on your comment, Muni installed bright yellow stickers on the rears of all its New Flyer E60 articulated electric trolleybuses stating "CAUTION: THIS VEHICLE MAKES WIDE TURNS", and showing a diagram of an articulated bus doing just that. But Muni didn't stick those stickers on any other articulated bus fleet from before or after the E60s operated.
Will they bring these buses back?
Weather isn't like that anymore. Global warming
Wow how ugly but I like the sound of the diesels