I agree. This guy says that the last guy I watched demonstrate the perfect swing, was totally wrong. How could such a simple move be so incredibly difficult to perform correctly?
Film yourself. I haven't starting kb'ing yet, but when I was lifting in CrossFit I was never able to see how my form was until I actually saw it and could connect that to what I felt. It's humbling, but very effective
The BIG issue with personal trainers nowadays, is that they are jack of all trades and masters of none - and they're encouraged to use everything at their disposal to train their clients. While I do think this comes from good intentions (train the client with whatever you have), it can also lead to trainers teaching stuff they don't know a lot about. - Gregory
As a beginner kettlebell user, this is your best explanation of how to use it. You slowed way down without the bell and showed the exact movements at the proper point and time. Excellent job.
when we swing, we think heavy... When we think heawy we swing heavy.... With 80kg bw I swing 92kg kettlebell... Really well explained and unfortunately many instructors are good with other tools but no idea how to use kettlebells.... The real problems when we are teaching we are responsible for the people who following our work.... Great video!
I squat in my swings. My body fat percentage has dropped, I feel much stronger and I can see the difference . I'm not sure if there is a right or a wrong way. Id go as far as to say that I think that different variations do different things.
Kettlebell swings are like any skill. The more you do it the more refined, smooth, efficient it is. People who don’t swing a lot generally have ugly swings.
This is a good reminder. I've incorporated part Coach Dan John's *Easy Strength for Fat Loss* (the 75 swings) into my *90 Days of Kettlebell* so this will help improve my form/technique. Thanks Coach. I appreciate you showing your old clips, too, showing how far you've come.
Wow. Excellent explanation and demonstration. I'm a beginner, and this is a huge help. No question about it, handling these weights requires proper form.
There is actually nothing wrong with his style. He is stopping short of shoulder height to avoid shoulder impingement. I have my patients and clients perform this variation if they have an acromion that creates potential for impingement. Also utilizing this abbreviated motion you can maintain tight core engagement and lat activation among other things. I personally use both of these styles depending on my particular focus that day.
I've been teaching kettlebell a long time... hardstyle, juggling, long cycle technique, etc and I don't think it's horrible. I think his extension is pulling up short, yeah - prob bc he's trying to make it quick in line w some ballistic Extraness that he is the epitome of - who knows. And it's not really delving into any ROM to speak of but idk maybe he's too tight af and wiry and that IS his ROM, i don't watch his stuff. His c spine is kinda wonky for me but to do a whole video about what is otherwise stylistic variations of a basic hip hinge is a little much. I think us kb professionals, and fitness pros in general, just kinda over critique the crap out of each other like what we do is rocket science. I've gotten to swing w some awesome kettlebell athletes and I've got to say the variation among swings can be interesting among people who do this every day, people who teach others to do this. And the funny thing is that we're all right. I can pick apart somebody's snatch from the ground up but the reality is that it's only because they're not doing it the exact way I do it from timing to wrist location to fingers etc, I like the way I do it, I do it the way I learned it. So then I ask well honestly who tf am I and what would make their style wrong? We both got it up using solid tried and true technique, we both remain uninjured, odds are we've both read Strength Training Anatomy and understand how things work, lol. It's only stylistic differences and preferences at a certain point. Without proof its all conjecture and without evidence its all hypothetical. Same thing with Bulgarian Bag. People's 360s look different in myriads of ways. Their lambs and throws. But we're all people qualified to teach also, so.... I don't think on any planet is this sooooo crazy but it's also not the prettiest one I've ever watched.
I'm enjoying watching your videos and your critique of the technique. It's helping me avoid poor technique and motivates me to strive for better. Great work!
Great content and good instructions on the swing - KBs are a relatively new addition to my repertoire and so far I love implementing them. They are most unique and the carryover is outstanding. I enjoy the learning curve whilst every nuance of movement patterns build upon newly acquired precepts. The intent to harness increased levels of conscious proprioception or position awareness is paramount especially while swinging loaded objects.
Any thought on the arms, straight or bent? I prefer straight but I saw yours are bent. Could you elaborate on pros/cons on the two different ways, please?
I keep the arms in a natural position; slightly bent. This way, I can still keep the kettlebell closer to my center of mass to a certain extent. With a double handed, heavy kettlebell swing, your lats have to do some work and they are attached to your upper arm. So forearm extension can be preference in the end. - Gregory
My technique has changed to be more bent arm at the top of the swing. I think as we become more comfortable with the glute contraction, hip drive and hinge the arm can relax at the top. It really is about becoming more familiar with how your body performs best with the 2H swing kettlebell arc. Like Gregory says, I prefer to keep the bell closer to center of mass because I want my posterior chain and glutes to do the majority of work. Not the arms.
@@CalTN Great point about becoming more comfortable with the kettlebell! That's exactly what happens when skill becomes deeply ingrained and movements become automatic. - Gregory
@@CalTN I might be completely wrong on this but, keeping the arms straight makes the radius larger which force you to hinge more powerfully. Shouldn't this give you a better training-effect (or a similar effect with a lighter bell) and be beneficial?
I really like your hinge in this video. Took me way too long to learn that movement properly and realize what my mistake was. I'm just curious on why you're going deeper here (with both hands your back is nearly parallel to the floor) then you do in other videos (when doing H2H swings, snatches etc you're not that deep). Is this unintentionally or are you doing it on purpose because you're using your dominant leg to aid the movement? And - if so - wouldn't the glute activation be a higher goal than to make the movement easier?
Good spot, friend! When mastering ballistics, there's an expression called "amplitude". This is relationship between leaning forward with your uppder body and hinging at the hip. This becomes preference with different variations.
Really though, even your 2016 swings looked better than Athlean-X. It's almost like he's not even hinging at all. Like a half-assed squat and then a hoist with the arms.
I do 1000 one hand swings with 28kg kettlebell in less than an hour.my body goes almost parallel to the ground before i explode up.can you estimate how much can i possibly deadlift because i had no access to a gym?
Awesome breakdown! Man, I'm so glad I picked up a kettlebell. I was in MMA for many years and this feels like learning martial arts, it's humbling, it's an art, you need to take your time and build from a solid foundation, and I can see with enough consistency over time it pays off and something that can be done even into old age :) good stuff thanks for a great video!
A very fair critique in my opinion. Jeff looks like he’s fighting the bell a lot of the time and, ironically, the only “snap” he has is in his upper body and not his hips. He seems to suffer from that stiffness in the hip area that I have found with a lot of field sports athletes - rugby players in particular. Love the phrase “kinaesthetic literacy “ - will be borrowing / stealing that one Gregory!😉
Have to say, experienced as I am, I've never really felt confident doing KB Swings. On a great AthleanX program atm til I got to these. The demo technique didn't feel right til this video! Common sense, safe execution, effective workout. 👏👏
Whenever I do kettlebell swings, I like to imagine myself as being one of those toy birds that "drink" out of a cup of water; I keep my head/spine in a neutral position as I hinge/swing the kettlebell.
As soon as I saw Jeff’s video, I knew you must have started working on this video:). Rightly said, Jeff is a pioneer and millions have benefited from his knowledge. But kettlebell is a skill that takes time to develop.
Some would say that your form also is not perfect because you do not stretch the arms completly straight in front of your body. Any reason you are not doing that?
His kettlebell swing has more muscle involvement hence his build looks twice as good as yours. He is controlling that weight. Your version the weight is controlling you.
I honestly don't feel like I understand kettlebells. I started training a couple of months ago and have tried a few exercises with a personal trainer. Among them the two-handed swing like in this video. My lower back starts to hurt after 10-12 swings, and I can't tell which muscles it is supposed to target. I also can't tell if it is a cardio workout, a strength workout, a balance exercise or I am trying to dance. It just feels uncomfortable to me. I am also not a fan of swinging heavy weights straight at my crotch. I will keep practicing a bit, but I don't know. Because of the nature of the exercise it all goes so fast that it is very difficult to notice if you have good form. I feel like I am just flailing wildly while endangering every mirror in the gym if I were to lose grip on the kettlebells. It also doesn't help that every single influencer on YT have differing opinions on what actually is the correct form. Everyone is making their own guides and the comments always have people saying how wrong this is.
And here is an example of RUclips being just an advert. Now athlene x is an advert, but look at the guy. Let's be clear, if he doesn't know how to exercise, I certainly don't and most people don't. This is a video for views
Super Kanal. Ich (als meiner Ansicht nach schon echt starke frau) hab sooooo krass Respekt vor angie. Man kann ihre Leistung nicht genug unterstreichen:)
Great tips. Not sure a heavy weight would highlight flaws, though. Alot of beginners watching this who may benefit from using a low weight kettlebell to perfect proper form first rather than jumping straight into heavier weight and injuring themselves.
So glad that Athlenex has better form. If you like to bum bash a kettle bell and remove the core activation from the deceleration. Fire on. My wife is a kettlebells instructor.
Your faulty analysis of my Swing is putting your lack of knowledge on display. I doubt your wife agrees with your points. Whatever the case: If you're here to learn and/ or share constructive feedback, you're welcome to do so. If not (which your bevaiour on this channel unfortunately indicates), you're obviously a troll. - Gregory
This might be a weird nitpick, but I found the way Jeff disgarded the 16 kg kettlebell after he finished irked me. As Coach Wildman says, put the bell down with proper technique.
I think part of the issue is he’s using the bell as a “conditioning” tool and sometimes when we get that one more rep mentality our form suffers, I agree with you though.
You'd rather drop the kettlebell like this (away from the body) than dropping it on the body like a bag of rice. I still see the point of both of you guys; thanks for sharing! - Gregory
I'm a newbie just been using kettlebells regularly about 8 months, just moved up to 28kg i use it for one arm swings cleans and can snatch it a couple times 🤣
great release. I used to often watch Jeff, well, translations of his issues in Russian, but there were many moments that were not clear to me. Your issues are much clearer and more informative. I love weights, I don't know how to work with them, but I do. Sorry for my English - this is an online translator.
Damn, 16 kg having physique like him? Way too low. I'm swinging 16 kg one hand at the moment and I've started from scratch over half a year ago. To me it looks like Jeff on day-to-day basis works out with dumbells and barbells, and kettlebells might not be something he uses very often.
Great observation! It goes to show that just because you lift heavy weights, that this doesn't automatically translate into proper kettlebell skill. - Gregory
@@lebe-stark may also have smth to do with body mass&balance as well ?! for context i'm roughly between 95kg(winter more free time) and 105kg(summer less free time) and I started out with a 28kg bell and my technique was rather similar to Jeffs(bell was slapping the arse more often then not) then stumbled onto your channel and at one point saw Angie swing it with those massive quads popping out and looking like they were doing most of the work and so I tryd to copy her technique and then it 'suddenly clicked' i'm currently using a 32kg bell with ease swinging it about eye ball high and most of the burn I fell is in the quads then glutes and to a much lesser extent in the lats feels like theyr going on a lite stroll. I was doing 2 full body building workouts per week before this for a couple of years so I was fairly strong to begin with... For me there have been several positive effects of picking up kettlebell swings: 1)muscles are less sore overall(as I now end my workouts with 2 sets of swings and do 2-3 more sets on the off days) 2)no more discomfort or suspect stiffness in my hips, knees or elbows&writs(the first 2 i can get why, tho the elbow&wrist benefit is rather unexpected) 3)Oddly my balance also improved a lot, for this i got two anecdotal proofs: Since its winter now and started skating again and so was in a fair bit of a shock when I saw how less likely i was to faceplant or land on my ass as opposed to previous years...its not like i've suddenly gained faster reflexes or smth but i seem to be able to slip less and somehow stop myself mid slip when it happens most of the times. I also do some judo and to the surprise of most guys I spar with theyr more often then not failing to pull me of balance and throw me as easily as they could before so most of them are simply asking me if have gained more weight again(actually lost almost 4kg so far this winter) I also got a 40kg bell i'm not that comfortable swinging yet(mostly i believe due to it having a smooth slippery crommed handle unlike my(32 kg one) and it being much 'taller') got it from a different manufacturer because no other one was making 40kg bells, sadly this odd bell(imgur.com/rq0t0of.png
I guess it depends on what you're doing aswell though right? If you're just doing a few sets to build strength then yeah a heavier weight will be more beneficial. But let's say you're doing a 30 minute EMOM workout, looking to build cardiovascular and muscular endurance, then a lighter weight will be needed.
That's why it is important to use a light weight kettlebell when learning. Everyone wants to be macho and tell you that you need a heavy one. Using a heavy weight and improper form is going to get you injured.
Surely when someone's technique is so bad it makes sense for them to work with a lighter kettlebell until their technique improves. Wouldn't going heavier too soon increase his risk of injury?
24kg? Cmon that's what I use doing single hand swing 100 rep and training only 5 minutes KB per day so from a professionnal trainer I wish to see at least 32kg on double hand swing that's the bare minimum, still not professionnal. I'm doing 32kg double hand swing with two 16kb or 100 snatch 16kg. Professionnal should do better than strongfirst recquirements, that's why there are professionnals and are legit to train others for strongfirst.
I am incredulous that ANYONE still takes Cavaliere seriously after he was exposed using fake weights and giving tons of bad advice on various topics outside his expertise. He should be blacklisted along with his homeboys Alan Roberts, Kevin Meier and James Linker - people who literally made a name for themselves on the back of ridiculing and insulting anyone in the fitness community they deemed incompetent, yet were deafeningly silent when it was Their Boy Jeff in the crosshairs. It comes as no surprise to discover his kettlebell form sucks as well!
I have confidence in your kettlebell teaching and I know there are some others out there who have proper technique, I pick you as my KB trainer. Same with jiu-jitsu. Not saying all BJJ teachers are wrong, just that I want to follow one teacher in BJJ.
Great instructional. Looks like my form is correct! Kinda crazy to see Jeff do those swings so terribly. But it just goes to show, just because you're super fit, it doesn't mean you know how to do everything with proper technique. Cheers mate!
One thing I notice on a lot of your videos, you often recommend a weight for guys. Like in here your recommending 24kg to Jeff. Surely this is related to you weight, height and overall size? Curious how does this work?
On point, as always. Kettlebell involves much more skill than most common weight training movements, and probably even slightly more than the dynamic Olympic lifts. I've been perfectly content for the past years, at least 3 or 4 don't remember, to stick with swings and TGUs in the S&S program. This year my goal is to learn and master the SKILL of KB cleans. So far still banging my forearms a bit, but I'll get there. Thanks, coach!
It's worth pointing out that Jeff has some serious knee damage from when he was a baseball player, which might limit his range of motion. But this was a very useful video nevertheless.
Jeff is great, he helped me get to where I am today. I hate seeing these guys crapping on Jeff. Just do your own thing man and stop trying to gain clout from calling out the big guys 🙌🏼
@@jacalisthenics Jeff has millions of followers. I'm one of them, and he's usually so spot on that it's likely that many will naturally think his KB swings are also spot on. If anyone deserves some critiquing on KB swings, it should be influencers like Jeff. And what's wrong with disagreeing anyway? As long as the disagreement is constructive and respectful, everyone wins. Good debate is essential to the progress of knowledge.
His biggest mistake is using the rogue competition bells. The only good beveled edged bell hands down are the Pro kettlebell from seatlle kettle bell club.
@@lebe-starkmy point of view is that in order to create content, he usually demonized certain exercises. this isn't always the case but I feel that this takes away his credibility a bit. I think he has very valuable videos for beginners, but as you get more advance in training I believe he loses that value (and actually brings some nonsense information in some videos). I don't dislike him, but I don't love him either.
@@gabrielguitar222 I feel the exact same way bro, athleanx is good and I don't hate the guy. It's just his knowledge doesn't match his technique. When I talk to people I know and they use athleanx as a main source for fitness knowledge and experience, I get uncomfortable because I feel like they will end up not progressing and become to close minded when it comes to fitness.
@@failingdisciple938 yeah both gregory and Angie are amazing, they do an amazing job in educating us viewers on what they specialize in and how rare it is to be able to be so open to continue to learn and grow. I enjoy when he posts videos like this.
Kinda looks like he’s trying to help push Primal Swoldiers cart a bit to me.. I love Jeff and what he brings to the table, but with kettlebells it just looks to me like he is sitting at the wrong table. 🤷🏼♂️
100% you need skill.. Right there again.. Another great video! I think the thing and my ocd that stands out the most straight away for me is that Jeff's footwear... No contact with the floor at all! I wear vabram 5 fingers.. Or barefoot.. Then he disrespects the KB by throwing it to the floor!!! So wrong.. While his back is arched really bad. So glad there is guys like you pointing these things out.. I have to admit I get a lot of training stuff from Jeff.. But this is bad form and not respecting the kettlebell.. Bad in my books I treat mine with respect it still looks new. A kettlebell is like a fine Swiss watch you never really own it.. You are just looking after it for the next generation...ps one day I would love to photograph your dog.. The star of the show. I manly photograph Rabbits and cats.. That's my specialalty I have lived with cats and rabbits all my life I know how to read Rabbits and cats movements and what there going to do.. So I can get the shots.. Not so much with portrait photography... I stay away from it.. I could do it but not soo good.. So stick what you are good at I only ever do swings and get ups.. As I can remember how to do them without thinking to much.. And don't hurt myself.. Jeff is good at what he does. ..he probably does not do kettlebells enough to get that muscle memory in. So unless your doing kettlebells all the time it's dangerous!.. Perhaps stick to what you do the best jeff...
Thanks for sharing brother! Jeff is awesome; he‘s probably just outside of his expertise here. To be fair: It‘s a training video of him; not a tutorial. So he‘s not claiming to be an expert on kettlebells. - Gregory
@@lebe-stark I would love to see a video on you teaching Jeff the correct and safe way to swing... Perhaps he has been tought the wrong way.. I was making pealla the wrong way for years.. Lol
Hey... Had to say this.. Just been watching a Jeff video on pull ups.. And he is doing them like pavel!.. Hats off to the guy for that..in really good form. Apart from I like to use the snatch grip while doing pull ups.. I don't use my thumbs
Huh? Have you ever watched an AthleneX video, he calls people out all the time. Plus how would, Coach Stark, be able to save, Coach Jeff’s, students from possibly injuring themselves following poor technique?! Come on, toughen up buttercup
@@lebe-stark It is. I go into a Flow Fit routine immediately thereafter and finish off with Overcoming Isometrics. Feeling a bit "toasty" when it's over.
In a recent video, he stated that he's all natural. I think it's attainable; yet quality of life might diminish to unpleasant levels staying this lean all year round.. - Gregory
Actually his technique is not that bad. Perhaps his upper body hinges forward a tad too early, but that’s a bit nitpicky. And there are LOTS of people, who have much worse KB swing. Please consider that he is a fitness expert and not a KB expert.
I think one of the biggest takeaways here is, how to be respectful while offering critical advice. I love Jeff and he’s helped out with loads of stuff, but KBs really aren’t his area of expertise. Whereas Gregory and Mark Wildman are the go to guys fo KB technique I reckon. Nice to see the conversation not descending into an all out war!
It doesn't matter how many videos I watch, I still can't tell if I'm doing it right.
I agree. This guy says that the last guy I watched demonstrate the perfect swing, was totally wrong. How could such a simple move be so incredibly difficult to perform correctly?
@@ayoung1 Yeah seriously! I'm afraid to screw up my back.
Film yourself. I haven't starting kb'ing yet, but when I was lifting in CrossFit I was never able to see how my form was until I actually saw it and could connect that to what I felt. It's humbling, but very effective
check out Hawaiiprofit he has the best tutorial ive seen
I am literally here because every day I watch a new video to get it right, yet find myself with back pain that I can't continue the workout...
I teach kettlebells at a big gym. From my observation, 90% of personal trainers perform the KB swing wrong.
Personal trainers are generally terrible in my experience (I’m not saying they all are)
The BIG issue with personal trainers nowadays, is that they are jack of all trades and masters of none - and they're encouraged to use everything at their disposal to train their clients. While I do think this comes from good intentions (train the client with whatever you have), it can also lead to trainers teaching stuff they don't know a lot about. - Gregory
I’m a PT…… and I learned every day !!! Thanks 🙏
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Did he do it right??? 😅
As a beginner kettlebell user, this is your best explanation of how to use it. You slowed way down without the bell and showed the exact movements at the proper point and time. Excellent job.
Glad it was helpful!
Tons of “how to” videos out there for beginners. This one on how to do it right based on flaws explains the how to perfectly. Thank you for this.
I appreciate that! Glad it was helpful! - Gregory
when we swing, we think heavy... When we think heawy we swing heavy.... With 80kg bw I swing 92kg kettlebell... Really well explained and unfortunately many instructors are good with other tools but no idea how to use kettlebells.... The real problems when we are teaching we are responsible for the people who following our work.... Great video!
I squat in my swings. My body fat percentage has dropped, I feel much stronger and I can see the difference . I'm not sure if there is a right or a wrong way. Id go as far as to say that I think that different variations do different things.
Kettlebell swings are like any skill. The more you do it the more refined, smooth, efficient it is.
People who don’t swing a lot generally have ugly swings.
Exactly! - Gregory
This is a good reminder. I've incorporated part Coach Dan John's *Easy Strength for Fat Loss* (the 75 swings) into my *90 Days of Kettlebell* so this will help improve my form/technique. Thanks Coach. I appreciate you showing your old clips, too, showing how far you've come.
Wow. Excellent explanation and demonstration. I'm a beginner, and this is a huge help. No question about it, handling these weights requires proper form.
Glad it was helpful!
There is actually nothing wrong with his style. He is stopping short of shoulder height to avoid shoulder impingement.
I have my patients and clients perform this variation if they have an acromion that creates potential for impingement.
Also utilizing this abbreviated motion you can maintain tight core engagement and lat activation among other things.
I personally use both of these styles depending on my particular focus that day.
I've been teaching kettlebell a long time... hardstyle, juggling, long cycle technique, etc and I don't think it's horrible. I think his extension is pulling up short, yeah - prob bc he's trying to make it quick in line w some ballistic Extraness that he is the epitome of - who knows. And it's not really delving into any ROM to speak of but idk maybe he's too tight af and wiry and that IS his ROM, i don't watch his stuff.
His c spine is kinda wonky for me but to do a whole video about what is otherwise stylistic variations of a basic hip hinge is a little much. I think us kb professionals, and fitness pros in general, just kinda over critique the crap out of each other like what we do is rocket science. I've gotten to swing w some awesome kettlebell athletes and I've got to say the variation among swings can be interesting among people who do this every day, people who teach others to do this. And the funny thing is that we're all right. I can pick apart somebody's snatch from the ground up but the reality is that it's only because they're not doing it the exact way I do it from timing to wrist location to fingers etc, I like the way I do it, I do it the way I learned it. So then I ask well honestly who tf am I and what would make their style wrong? We both got it up using solid tried and true technique, we both remain uninjured, odds are we've both read Strength Training Anatomy and understand how things work, lol. It's only stylistic differences and preferences at a certain point. Without proof its all conjecture and without evidence its all hypothetical.
Same thing with Bulgarian Bag. People's 360s look different in myriads of ways. Their lambs and throws. But we're all people qualified to teach also, so....
I don't think on any planet is this sooooo crazy but it's also not the prettiest one I've ever watched.
@genacampos5464 Amen! You are correct! Keep up the good work. ❤️
Probably the most thoughtful comment here.
I'm enjoying watching your videos and your critique of the technique. It's helping me avoid poor technique and motivates me to strive for better. Great work!
You are so welcome!
Great content and good instructions on the swing - KBs are a relatively new addition to my repertoire and so far I love implementing them. They are most unique and the carryover is outstanding. I enjoy the learning curve whilst every nuance of movement patterns build upon newly acquired precepts. The intent to harness increased levels of conscious proprioception or position awareness is paramount especially while swinging loaded objects.
Any thought on the arms, straight or bent? I prefer straight but I saw yours are bent. Could you elaborate on pros/cons on the two different ways, please?
I keep the arms in a natural position; slightly bent. This way, I can still keep the kettlebell closer to my center of mass to a certain extent. With a double handed, heavy kettlebell swing, your lats have to do some work and they are attached to your upper arm. So forearm extension can be preference in the end. - Gregory
My technique has changed to be more bent arm at the top of the swing. I think as we become more comfortable with the glute contraction, hip drive and hinge the arm can relax at the top.
It really is about becoming more familiar with how your body performs best with the 2H swing kettlebell arc. Like Gregory says, I prefer to keep the bell closer to center of mass because I want my posterior chain and glutes to do the majority of work. Not the arms.
@@CalTN Great point about becoming more comfortable with the kettlebell! That's exactly what happens when skill becomes deeply ingrained and movements become automatic. - Gregory
@@CalTN Interesting, I feel I can relax my arms better by keeping them straight, by bending my arms I feel like I'm fighting the weight.
@@CalTN I might be completely wrong on this but, keeping the arms straight makes the radius larger which force you to hinge more powerfully. Shouldn't this give you a better training-effect (or a similar effect with a lighter bell) and be beneficial?
I really like your hinge in this video. Took me way too long to learn that movement properly and realize what my mistake was.
I'm just curious on why you're going deeper here (with both hands your back is nearly parallel to the floor) then you do in other videos (when doing H2H swings, snatches etc you're not that deep).
Is this unintentionally or are you doing it on purpose because you're using your dominant leg to aid the movement? And - if so - wouldn't the glute activation be a higher goal than to make the movement easier?
Good spot, friend! When mastering ballistics, there's an expression called "amplitude". This is relationship between leaning forward with your uppder body and hinging at the hip. This becomes preference with different variations.
Nice explanation. Thanks for that. Aren't your arms should be fully extended at the top position though?
No; arm extension is irrelevant of the swing since it’s a hip dominant exercise.
@@lebe-stark good to know!! Thanks!
What bothered me the most was how he put the KB down 🤦♂️ but I do love that kick through plank he does after. Really helps my hips and t-spine
What do you think about using plates if you don’t have a kettlebell?
Not the same and I wouldn‘t recommend.
Where do you feel tension in your legs on the down swing
Rear legs (hamstrings, etc)
Can you explain the arm-position more detailed? The arms arent fully extended right?!
I keep them neutral; slightly bent at the top.
Really though, even your 2016 swings looked better than Athlean-X. It's almost like he's not even hinging at all. Like a half-assed squat and then a hoist with the arms.
Thanks SIr . So if I understand correctly my hips THROW the kettlebell that's right ?
That is correct
I do 1000 one hand swings with 28kg kettlebell in less than an hour.my body goes almost parallel to the ground before i explode up.can you estimate how much can i possibly deadlift because i had no access to a gym?
That's hard to tell. - Gregory
Hi please make a video on how to do kettle bell gunslinger with out back pain
Not a big fan of this exercise.
Awesome breakdown! Man, I'm so glad I picked up a kettlebell. I was in MMA for many years and this feels like learning martial arts, it's humbling, it's an art, you need to take your time and build from a solid foundation, and I can see with enough consistency over time it pays off and something that can be done even into old age :) good stuff thanks for a great video!
A very fair critique in my opinion. Jeff looks like he’s fighting the bell a lot of the time and, ironically, the only “snap” he has is in his upper body and not his hips. He seems to suffer from that stiffness in the hip area that I have found with a lot of field sports athletes - rugby players in particular. Love the phrase “kinaesthetic literacy “ - will be borrowing / stealing that one Gregory!😉
I like your style to explain things a lot!
Have to say, experienced as I am, I've never really felt confident doing KB Swings.
On a great AthleanX program atm til I got to these. The demo technique didn't feel right til this video! Common sense, safe execution, effective workout. 👏👏
Whenever I do kettlebell swings, I like to imagine myself as being one of those toy birds that "drink" out of a cup of water; I keep my head/spine in a neutral position as I hinge/swing the kettlebell.
Love that!
What about neck position and where your eyes should be looking while doing the swing?
Necks follows the upper body; eye positioning is rather downwards.
Thanks@@lebe-stark
Should you be locking your knees so vigorously going back up?
As soon as I saw Jeff’s video, I knew you must have started working on this video:). Rightly said, Jeff is a pioneer and millions have benefited from his knowledge. But kettlebell is a skill that takes time to develop.
As with many exercise movements there are different ways of doing them. If it works for you and it doesn't hurt, what's the problem.
Some would say that your form also is not perfect because you do not stretch the arms completly straight in front of your body. Any reason you are not doing that?
No reason to extend your arms completely. - Gregory
His kettlebell swing has more muscle involvement hence his build looks twice as good as yours.
He is controlling that weight. Your version the weight is controlling you.
Thanks for sharing! His muscles have nothing to do with his lack of skill. The kettlebell swing is an exercise, that requires momentum. - Gregory
ok I am 46 years old an my back is killing me after doing 100 to 150 kettle bell swings a day. What am I doing wrong here?
Too much volume and/ or bad skill
I honestly don't feel like I understand kettlebells.
I started training a couple of months ago and have tried a few exercises with a personal trainer.
Among them the two-handed swing like in this video.
My lower back starts to hurt after 10-12 swings, and I can't tell which muscles it is supposed to target. I also can't tell if it is a cardio workout, a strength workout, a balance exercise or I am trying to dance.
It just feels uncomfortable to me. I am also not a fan of swinging heavy weights straight at my crotch.
I will keep practicing a bit, but I don't know.
Because of the nature of the exercise it all goes so fast that it is very difficult to notice if you have good form. I feel like I am just flailing wildly while endangering every mirror in the gym if I were to lose grip on the kettlebells.
It also doesn't help that every single influencer on YT have differing opinions on what actually is the correct form. Everyone is making their own guides and the comments always have people saying how wrong this is.
Kettlebells are a great tool that require skill. They are also fairly versatile; that‘s why you have differing opinions. - Gregory
@@lebe-stark Yeah, I am not "hating" on them. I just haven't gotten a good feel for them. Maybe I will in the future. I haven't given up yet
Keep going and look for quality information. Working with a coach 1:1 is a shortcut to success btw. - Gregory
"Like water" beautifully said fluidity is key
And here is an example of RUclips being just an advert. Now athlene x is an advert, but look at the guy. Let's be clear, if he doesn't know how to exercise, I certainly don't and most people don't. This is a video for views
I have been watching LS's videos for the last 2wks, and I can't figure if he does Hard style or sport; it seems to be mixed.
Thoughts RUclips?
Great observation brother! We call this the "Hybrid" style. Combining the best of both worlds! - Gregory
Super Kanal. Ich (als meiner Ansicht nach schon echt starke frau) hab sooooo krass Respekt vor angie. Man kann ihre Leistung nicht genug unterstreichen:)
Angie ist eine Maschine! :) - Gregory
Great tips. Not sure a heavy weight would highlight flaws, though. Alot of beginners watching this who may benefit from using a low weight kettlebell to perfect proper form first rather than jumping straight into heavier weight and injuring themselves.
Heavyweights demand structural integrity and proper technique, making them ideal for advanced lifters who have moved beyond the beginner stages.
Kinetic literacy. Love that term.
Me too Joseph! Thanks for sharing! - Gregory
So glad that Athlenex has better form. If you like to bum bash a kettle bell and remove the core activation from the deceleration. Fire on. My wife is a kettlebells instructor.
You’re talking nonsense with buzz words you might have picked up from your wife John. 🤷♂️ - Gregory
@@lebe-stark keep kidding yourself. Enjoy bashing your ass with a kettlebell. Don't go to an abs class as you have no core.
Your faulty analysis of my Swing is putting your lack of knowledge on display. I doubt your wife agrees with your points.
Whatever the case: If you're here to learn and/ or share constructive feedback, you're welcome to do so. If not (which your bevaiour on this channel unfortunately indicates), you're obviously a troll. - Gregory
This might be a weird nitpick, but I found the way Jeff disgarded the 16 kg kettlebell after he finished irked me. As Coach Wildman says, put the bell down with proper technique.
I think part of the issue is he’s using the bell as a “conditioning” tool and sometimes when we get that one more rep mentality our form suffers, I agree with you though.
You'd rather drop the kettlebell like this (away from the body) than dropping it on the body like a bag of rice. I still see the point of both of you guys; thanks for sharing! - Gregory
Right, “park” the bell.
The constant remarks about low AthleanX swings only 16 kilos are just..childish and inappropriate.
Big thanks for the guidance. Still somewhat of a novice and endeavoring to get my form right... this set me right :)
Glad it helped!
I'm a newbie just been using kettlebells regularly about 8 months, just moved up to 28kg i use it for one arm swings cleans and can snatch it a couple times 🤣
28 KG is no joke! Congrats!! - Gregory
These reaction videos never reference someone with fewer followers, you notice that? The term, "piggybacking" comes to mind.
It's called killing two birds with one stone. It helps people discern proper kettlebell movements and grows the channel.
@@lebe-stark 💯
great release. I used to often watch Jeff, well, translations of his issues in Russian, but there were many moments that were not clear to me. Your issues are much clearer and more informative. I love weights, I don't know how to work with them, but I do. Sorry for my English - this is an online translator.
Damn, 16 kg having physique like him? Way too low. I'm swinging 16 kg one hand at the moment and I've started from scratch over half a year ago.
To me it looks like Jeff on day-to-day basis works out with dumbells and barbells, and kettlebells might not be something he uses very often.
Great observation! It goes to show that just because you lift heavy weights, that this doesn't automatically translate into proper kettlebell skill. - Gregory
Jeff openly speaks about his shoulder impingement though. Perhaps this is why 🤷
@@lebe-stark may also have smth to do with body mass&balance as well ?! for context i'm roughly between 95kg(winter more free time) and 105kg(summer less free time) and I started out with a 28kg bell and my technique was rather similar to Jeffs(bell was slapping the arse more often then not) then stumbled onto your channel and at one point saw Angie swing it with those massive quads popping out and looking like they were doing most of the work and so I tryd to copy her technique and then it 'suddenly clicked' i'm currently using a 32kg bell with ease swinging it about eye ball high and most of the burn I fell is in the quads then glutes and to a much lesser extent in the lats feels like theyr going on a lite stroll.
I was doing 2 full body building workouts per week before this for a couple of years so I was fairly strong to begin with...
For me there have been several positive effects of picking up kettlebell swings:
1)muscles are less sore overall(as I now end my workouts with 2 sets of swings and do 2-3 more sets on the off days)
2)no more discomfort or suspect stiffness in my hips, knees or elbows&writs(the first 2 i can get why, tho the elbow&wrist benefit is rather unexpected)
3)Oddly my balance also improved a lot, for this i got two anecdotal proofs:
Since its winter now and started skating again and so was in a fair bit of a shock when I saw how less likely i was to faceplant or land on my ass as opposed to previous years...its not like i've suddenly gained faster reflexes or smth but i seem to be able to slip less and somehow stop myself mid slip when it happens most of the times.
I also do some judo and to the surprise of most guys I spar with theyr more often then not failing to pull me of balance and throw me as easily as they could before so most of them are simply asking me if have gained more weight again(actually lost almost 4kg so far this winter)
I also got a 40kg bell i'm not that comfortable swinging yet(mostly i believe due to it having a smooth slippery crommed handle unlike my(32 kg one) and it being much 'taller') got it from a different manufacturer because no other one was making 40kg bells, sadly this odd bell(imgur.com/rq0t0of.png
I guess it depends on what you're doing aswell though right? If you're just doing a few sets to build strength then yeah a heavier weight will be more beneficial.
But let's say you're doing a 30 minute EMOM workout, looking to build cardiovascular and muscular endurance, then a lighter weight will be needed.
That's why it is important to use a light weight kettlebell when learning. Everyone wants to be macho and tell you that you need a heavy one. Using a heavy weight and improper form is going to get you injured.
So, I've been rewatching this video prior to my kettlebell hiit workouts. I DO NOT want to hurt myself. Thank you!
There definitely must be a correlative causality between tension and risk of injury too
Thanks coach! great description of movement. I hope mine look like this.
You got this!
Ok, ur blastin Jeff Cavalier cuz you dt like his kettle bell swing? I mean JEFF CAVALIER dude. Ill stick with athlean x all day everyday
Jeff is awesome. And he's also fallible like every other human being on this planet. - Gregory
Muy bien explicado como siempre. Me encantan tus videos. Un saludo desde Argentina!
Excellent video. Thank you!! Your dog looks so cute!
Surely when someone's technique is so bad it makes sense for them to work with a lighter kettlebell until their technique improves. Wouldn't going heavier too soon increase his risk of injury?
Heavy weights can also highlight flaws in your technique. With a little bit of coaching, Jeff could easily manage the 24 KG. - Gregory
24kg? Cmon that's what I use doing single hand swing 100 rep and training only 5 minutes KB per day so from a professionnal trainer I wish to see at least 32kg on double hand swing that's the bare minimum, still not professionnal. I'm doing 32kg double hand swing with two 16kb or 100 snatch 16kg. Professionnal should do better than strongfirst recquirements, that's why there are professionnals and are legit to train others for strongfirst.
I’m not an insanely strong person but even I use a 24kg kettlebell. Mostly because it’s the only one I have.
I found it more natural to breathe out when the kb is coming down and goes between your legs because I felt my abs contracts at the time
I am incredulous that ANYONE still takes Cavaliere seriously after he was exposed using fake weights and giving tons of bad advice on various topics outside his expertise. He should be blacklisted along with his homeboys Alan Roberts, Kevin Meier and James Linker - people who literally made a name for themselves on the back of ridiculing and insulting anyone in the fitness community they deemed incompetent, yet were deafeningly silent when it was Their Boy Jeff in the crosshairs. It comes as no surprise to discover his kettlebell form sucks as well!
I see where you're coming from! I think Jeff is still a viable source; even if he missed the mark a couple of times.Thanks for sharing! - Gregory
I have confidence in your kettlebell teaching and I know there are some others out there who have proper technique, I pick you as my KB trainer. Same with jiu-jitsu. Not saying all BJJ teachers are wrong, just that I want to follow one teacher in BJJ.
Great instructional. Looks like my form is correct! Kinda crazy to see Jeff do those swings so terribly. But it just goes to show, just because you're super fit, it doesn't mean you know how to do everything with proper technique. Cheers mate!
Right on Allan! - Gregory
I will stick to Jeff's workouts and same swings he does . Yet have been also learning this technique Starks, just an alternative way.
One thing I notice on a lot of your videos, you often recommend a weight for guys. Like in here your recommending 24kg to Jeff. Surely this is related to you weight, height and overall size? Curious how does this work?
Jeff is fit and strong; hence the recommendation to use a 24KG
0:54 - So, despite him doing the wrong form, you want him to .... go heavier?
Heavy weights are great teachers and Jeff has the capacity to deal with them. Not recommended for people not on his level.
I have to say that his technique would improve with a higher weight. I have big arms so I can easily make the same mistakes if I am not careful.
These kinds of exercises are just not safe! I find Athlean X version at least seems "SLIGHTLY" safer for the spine.
No spine safety issues in both versions.
good - clear - teaching...... also, don't put/toss the kb down on the ground like athlean x (jeff) did !
Simply put you're the black belt of keetlebells a technician. He's a like yellow belt after the white belt.
It's all about reaching "Sensei" level of kettlebell training brother! - Gregory
@@lebe-stark OSS
lol there really should be a belt system for kettlebells!
Aren't the arms supposed to be straight?
No
On point, as always. Kettlebell involves much more skill than most common weight training movements, and probably even slightly more than the dynamic Olympic lifts. I've been perfectly content for the past years, at least 3 or 4 don't remember, to stick with swings and TGUs in the S&S program. This year my goal is to learn and master the SKILL of KB cleans. So far still banging my forearms a bit, but I'll get there. Thanks, coach!
It's all about putting in the reps and learning the skill! You got this! - Gregory
Don't judge other people. I think it is cheap. I know you can do much better!
No judging going on here brother. - Gregory
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Haha. So muss es sein! Surprise! Liebe Grüsse zurück aus der Ostschweiz! - Gregory
You missed his neck. His head is not aligned with his spine as he moves, whereas yours of course is. Great video.
It's worth pointing out that Jeff has some serious knee damage from when he was a baseball player, which might limit his range of motion. But this was a very useful video nevertheless.
Kettlebells are great for damaged knees. Doesn't take anything away from learning the skill. I see your point though! - Gregory
This kind of videos are just perfect to start the day with a mug of coffee, thanks :)
Glad you like them!
Every video tells a different way to do them! They look dangerous as hell and after watching the videos I sincerely doubt I'll ever try them/
They ARE dangerous as hell
You need a phd to do a good KB swing.
Just good information and some reps; that's all.
Jeff is great, he helped me get to where I am today. I hate seeing these guys crapping on Jeff. Just do your own thing man and stop trying to gain clout from calling out the big guys 🙌🏼
This is RUclips brother. We all talk about each other and I try to keep it as respectful as possible. No hard feelings if you don't like it. - Gregory
@@lebe-stark Doesn't mean we should add to it but I see what you're trying to do man. Each to their own 🙌🏼
@@jacalisthenics Jeff has millions of followers. I'm one of them, and he's usually so spot on that it's likely that many will naturally think his KB swings are also spot on. If anyone deserves some critiquing on KB swings, it should be influencers like Jeff. And what's wrong with disagreeing anyway? As long as the disagreement is constructive and respectful, everyone wins. Good debate is essential to the progress of knowledge.
His biggest mistake is using the rogue competition bells. The only good beveled edged bell hands down are the Pro kettlebell from seatlle kettle bell club.
I was quick with this one! LOL - Gregory
Just FYI, it's ok to say "kilo", instead of "k-g", just like you say "pounds" and not "l-b-s"
K-G sounds more powerful.
actually ive never liked this guy
Curious to know why. Would you mind sharing? - Gregory
@@lebe-starkmy point of view is that in order to create content, he usually demonized certain exercises. this isn't always the case but I feel that this takes away his credibility a bit.
I think he has very valuable videos for beginners, but as you get more advance in training I believe he loses that value (and actually brings some nonsense information in some videos). I don't dislike him, but I don't love him either.
@@gabrielguitar222 I feel the exact same way bro, athleanx is good and I don't hate the guy. It's just his knowledge doesn't match his technique. When I talk to people I know and they use athleanx as a main source for fitness knowledge and experience, I get uncomfortable because I feel like they will end up not progressing and become to close minded when it comes to fitness.
I really dig this guy! No one is an expert on everything but Lebe Stark is the guy I go to for everything Kettle bell 👊
@@failingdisciple938 yeah both gregory and Angie are amazing, they do an amazing job in educating us viewers on what they specialize in and how rare it is to be able to be so open to continue to learn and grow. I enjoy when he posts videos like this.
1:27
Indeed, water truly knows when to contract.
It's an analogy by the legendary Bruce Lee. Flowing like water means, you become one with the tool instead of fighting against it.
@@lebe-stark I know, it just sounded funny in this context.
Love the disappearing dog! Great vid! Thanks.
Kinda looks like he’s trying to help push Primal Swoldiers cart a bit to me.. I love Jeff and what he brings to the table, but with kettlebells it just looks to me like he is sitting at the wrong table. 🤷🏼♂️
100% you need skill.. Right there again.. Another great video! I think the thing and my ocd that stands out the most straight away for me is that Jeff's footwear... No contact with the floor at all! I wear vabram 5 fingers.. Or barefoot.. Then he disrespects the KB by throwing it to the floor!!! So wrong.. While his back is arched really bad. So glad there is guys like you pointing these things out.. I have to admit I get a lot of training stuff from Jeff.. But this is bad form and not respecting the kettlebell.. Bad in my books I treat mine with respect it still looks new. A kettlebell is like a fine Swiss watch you never really own it.. You are just looking after it for the next generation...ps one day I would love to photograph your dog.. The star of the show. I manly photograph Rabbits and cats.. That's my specialalty I have lived with cats and rabbits all my life I know how to read Rabbits and cats movements and what there going to do.. So I can get the shots.. Not so much with portrait photography... I stay away from it.. I could do it but not soo good.. So stick what you are good at I only ever do swings and get ups.. As I can remember how to do them without thinking to much.. And don't hurt myself.. Jeff is good at what he does. ..he probably does not do kettlebells enough to get that muscle memory in. So unless your doing kettlebells all the time it's dangerous!.. Perhaps stick to what you do the best jeff...
Thanks for sharing brother! Jeff is awesome; he‘s probably just outside of his expertise here.
To be fair: It‘s a training video of him; not a tutorial. So he‘s not claiming to be an expert on kettlebells. - Gregory
@@lebe-stark I would love to see a video on you teaching Jeff the correct and safe way to swing... Perhaps he has been tought the wrong way.. I was making pealla the wrong way for years.. Lol
Hey... Had to say this.. Just been watching a Jeff video on pull ups.. And he is doing them like pavel!.. Hats off to the guy for that..in really good form. Apart from I like to use the snatch grip while doing pull ups.. I don't use my thumbs
Of all the videos I've seen, never been instructed how the body/groin push the bell/arms back up. Excellent.
You didn't have to name and shame.
No name and shame; but show an explain
Huh? Have you ever watched an AthleneX video, he calls people out all the time. Plus how would, Coach Stark, be able to save, Coach Jeff’s, students from possibly injuring themselves following poor technique?! Come on, toughen up buttercup
"Load up the hips and BAD-A-BING BAD-A-BOOM swing that kettle bell.
Its all about the hinge, thats what youve taught me 👍
Exactly!
Run your 16 kg KB in 10 sets of 10 reps with 10 seconds of walk around recovery between sets and see if that KB is still too light for you.
Sounds like a good warm up.
@@lebe-stark It is. I go into a Flow Fit routine immediately thereafter and finish off with Overcoming Isometrics. Feeling a bit "toasty" when it's over.
Why is his technique bad? Because i said so. Why is my technique good? Because i said so.
Awesome, awesome...🙄🙄🙄
Just because you don’t see the difference doesn’t mean it’s not there, friend.
i swing with 2- 32 kgs and iam over 60
You're a walking tank Mark! Thanks for sharing! - Gregory
@@lebe-stark when you look at him not an ounce of fat on them ,what is he taking
Two 70lb bells is no joke! Well done sir! I aim to be at your level in my 60s.
In a recent video, he stated that he's all natural. I think it's attainable; yet quality of life might diminish to unpleasant levels staying this lean all year round.. - Gregory
I rarely see anyone use KB correctly.
Actually his technique is not that bad. Perhaps his upper body hinges forward a tad too early, but that’s a bit nitpicky. And there are LOTS of people, who have much worse KB swing. Please consider that he is a fitness expert and not a KB expert.
Love you both!
Thanks brother! I love watching Jeff's videos too! He's a great teacher and communicator. - Gregory
I think one of the biggest takeaways here is, how to be respectful while offering critical advice. I love Jeff and he’s helped out with loads of stuff, but KBs really aren’t his area of expertise. Whereas Gregory and Mark Wildman are the go to guys fo KB technique I reckon. Nice to see the conversation not descending into an all out war!
The heavy weight will highlight any flaw in your skills by the mean of a disc herniation
If you're stupid enough to use heavy weights with no experience, your'e right. - Gregory