This vid was super fun to do, but there's two lil things I noticed after I finished. One is that it's not really like other Fighting Game Garbage vids, I feel like this one was less about talking about why stuff was bad and more just showing off the characters and what they can do. I think that was the right call considering there was 8 characters to cover though. Second off, sorry if the audio for the Enero section is a bit low, tried fixing it but Vegas was being a bitch and it's 1 in the morning so I'm not feeling that. Overall this should be louder than my other vids tho, I know they've been a lil quiet. Next vid will proly be a short one, been meaning to do one of them. That's that so, really hope you enjoy! Sorry if I take a while to get back to anyone, it's super late here so I'm just gonna go to bed as soon as I finish this.
@@RealmsCrossMyths that laptop definitely run the mix of Windows CE, Windows Me and Windows NT. Which makes that laptop with Windows CeMeNT dumb as a brick and hard as a rock
I will always remember Bafael’s video on the dolls and how he just started gushing about Santamu, how genuinely fun she was to play and pleading for Capcom to make her officially playable
@@Eltrotraw the issue with Decapre was a couple different things, but it was mostly down to how they had hyped up a new character for a while then it turned out to be a clone of Cammy and she was the last character ever added to the game...
I really wanted to see either her or Satsuki playable, hell I thought Satsuki would be when they teased the season two characters (ended up being Menat, so I'm not complaining per se, lol). But yah, Santamu really caught my attention, seems like she has just the kind of gameplay shakeup Cammy needs, IMO.
@@vaiyt Someone should've punched the teeth out of the community, Decapre was a pretty fun addition on USF4 and actually less of a clone than people like to admit, she at least had more originality in her moves than Ken had for half of his existence. Which is literally my favorite thing out of SFV, Ken finally being his own character.
5:52 "Surprisingly, Decapre is one of the less interesting dolls" Then spends three solid minutes explaining her extensive and unique moveset that's bigger than multiples dolls combined.
This was me when I first saw Satsuki in the Climatic Story mode before her fight with Zangief Playable Satsuki when? That’s how much of an impression she left on me
@@theosouris7063 She was the last character, introduced in Ultra. Actually, she gets a lot of hate because Capcom hyped her up as the last character, but everyone said she was a Cammy clone (she was, but she was more unique then Ken's first appearance as a separate character). Also, Decapre was initally planned to be in SFV, but was replaced by Cammy after her medicore SFIV debut. Her NPC variant here is likely a remnant of that (the motion specials come from SFIV Omega, where she became a motion character).
Why the hell would cap on spend all that time and money in making these characters and you can’t even play them!? The people that made original sfv were some idiots.
On the jiggle physics Cammy had them and they took it away same with Chun who still has but its not as pronounced as it was on release Mika also had physics as well these things were removed later after the game released like the old camera angles were
I think with a little creativity Capcom could wrangle all the dolls together into a fun little "Doll Squad" character. Like you play as the whole team and have a move to tag them in and out to switch between them, kind of like Zeku, in a set rotation. V Skill 1 could be an assist button that calls the next doll in the rotation in to do their special, but has a cool down, V skill 2 could be a tag assist that has the next doll do her move but also switch in in the process, which would have different combo potential than VS1 depending on which character is being switched in, allowing for different set ups. V Trigger 1 could be an install the shortens the cooldown of assists for a set amount of time (potentially allowing for multiple assists in a single combo), while V Trigger 2 could be an install that increases the damage and launch of assists (say instead of being time based it buffs the next 3 assists you do, making it a long term threat the opponent has to respect more). Granted that'd probably be totally fucked and unbalanced as shit, but I feel SFV is starting to get into that fun "fuck it" phase fighting games tend to go into at the tail end of their support.
The other Dolls probably have jiggle physics because Cammy used to have them too. They probably just forgot or couldnt be bothered to remove them from the Dolls
Oh no, I can't unsee the fact that Enero's hair displace after any attack, leaving her incomplete head open. It's really weird, none of the other dolls seem to have that issue
i wish they made juni playable, not just juli, because juni's gimmick is that she's a charge-command version of cammy (similar to decapre) with a 360-degree command grab like zangief. but since she recovered from her shadaloo programming and is just a civilian now, i guess she doesn't want to fight anymore
That’s what PLOT is for! Cammy: Juli?? J: Thank goodness! GET ME SOMEWHERE *SAFE* ! C:Were you attacked? J: Yes! I mean I won, but I WANT OUT! ... but why are you here? Are you fighting...? C: Just stay close... J: Awww...
I loved Juni in alpha 3!!! She also had a dive kick in all isms(unlike cammy that only had it in v-ism), an air cannon arrow, a teleport dash(if you have the right timing you can completely dodge final Bison's psycho crusher), and her hooligan combination mid grab did more damage than Cammy's. She was the best Cammy lol
@@kumaquatro2406 i was gonna say you have good taste, but then i looked at your playlists on ur account and u have GREAT taste….. i thought i was the only one who liked the 3rd strike hd remixes! t4: kitsch, too???
Some bios of Juni suggest that she's training with Delta Red (notably the wiki), so it is possible she could return. We do see her in Cammy's SF4 and SFV story cutscenes, so it's possible. As for her moveset, she actually was pretty unique. Arrow and DP were charge, she had a command dash (like Yang), and a 360, as well as always having divekick. She also had Cammy's Alpha 2 Gold super (the Psycho Crusher one).
In regard to the dolls and their health value... The health bar takes up a slight bit more than 7 squares of the back wall in length on the training stage, and Cammy's combo did about 4/7 of the health bar visually in damage, though I obviously can't determine precisely how much. 4/7 is about 57 percent (exactly it's 57.1̅4̅2̅8̅5̅7̅ percent), and the raw damage was 480. If we divide 480 by 4/7 (multiply by 7/4) we'll find an approximate health value for the dolls, 840. So unless non-multiples of 50 are used in SFV with any other health values, it's likely you were right in saying it was 850.
I'm probably the only person out there who actually likes the dolls, I wish they were all playable (especially Decapre, I've been wanting her and Sean in the game since season 1)
Ngl. I never really liked the dolls, but it's only because Cammy exists. It's kinda an unfair judgement, but the dolls feel just cheap to in terms of design even though I adore their concept. Like, I like clones that do different things like Ken and Akuma, but the dolls just don't feel right to me.
@@TheMasterBlaze have you played Rival Schools 1 Evolution Disk? There's a set of characters that totally work the concept. A lot of mix of different moves, that just work.
Imagine this: “The dolls” as a collective character. If you taunt, use an EX move, or a thing I’ll mention later, you change to the next character in the list afterwards. You choose which doll you start the match as from the title screen, and since some dolls don’t have moves in certain spots you can use things like grab to auto-swap to the doll with that move regardless of the order of the list before the move starts, making it very laggy to swap but allowing you to get to a character you need.
very enjoyable video! dolls have me very enthusiastic, the better ones feel like they're just a CA+VT+some depth away from being fully fledged characters. Santamu and Satsuki in particular already have pretty cool stuff and very unique gameplans could be constructed just by expanding on their kits a little
Or, how about after releasing the Last Character, Capcom should create a Doll Slot. In a similar fashion with Eleven, by picking the Doll Slot, you can select either of the 12 Dolls of your choice (including Juni, Noembelu, Jian Yu, and Xia Yu) and play them as complete characters.
18:39 You mean an *_IZUNA DROP?!!!_* Almost all ninjas in every fighting game ever has some kind of aerial throw, usually ending in a suplex (Izuna/Rainbow Drop) or slam, or they get launched into the air really high before launching/teleporting to the opponent into the air.
I remember hearing Elena was originally planned to use a spear. There's still some evidence of it in some official art. Wonder if Santamu is based off that?
I imagine it was the other way around since Santamu came first and her character design had a spear (and a pet monkey) seemingly from the beginning. I wouldn't be surprised if, besides _Street Fighter_ (and Japan) tending to rely on stereotypes of outsiders, the only reason they considered giving Elena a spear is because Santamu has never been a proper character. (Amusingly I always thought Santamu was southeast Asian in the original artwork, not African.)
@@MusicoftheDamned Interesting, I knew they established there were 12 Dolls with SFA3, but I didn't realize they went into detail with any of them outside of Cammy, Juni and Juli. Looking into it though, it looks like originally Santamu came from Vietnam and that was retconned to Ethiopia. Santamu itself is the Vietnamese word for August. With a lot of Street Fighter 3 characters, they were based on both a real person and a fictional characters, and in Elena's case I know it's been outright stated in interviews that Elena was based on Yuki Uchida (find pictures of her tanned in a swimsuit, it's pretty uncanny), while it's been really hard for me not to recognize all the similarities between Elena and Gainax's Nadia.
@@WraxTV Yeah, the initial work for the Dolls was already rather complete by the time of _SFA3_ was done, especially since technically do show up in that game as sprites in Juli and Juni's mid-boss intro. It's just that outside of those everything else about them, even their names, were all only in obscure sourcebooks that were never released outside of Japan IIRC. Not sure if changed until _SFV_ (or if it still has to be honest). That said, yeah, some of them have definitely been retconned on top of that. So it's good to have it confirmed that I was correct to remember that Santamu started out southeast Asian since I haven't seen the pictures in years even though they're probably still around here somewhere. Amusingly, Santamu isn't even the worst offender given the whole weirdness with apparently both the November doll *and* Juli being kidnapped from T. Hawk's tribe now instead of just the former despite Juli being white and German as fuck. I swear that poor guy can't catch a break. As for Elena, yeah, that sounds familiar. It's also not surprising to hear since I vaguely remember Dudley being based on at least one real life British boxer, which is part of why I've found it idiotic that too many people make such a fuss over his ethnicity/"race" like he can only be one; the same goes for Balrog (Boxer) being based on Mike Tyson, hence the Japanese name of *M.* Bison that still persists over there, and Hugo obviously being a homage to Andre the Giant. Elena also definitely wouldn't be the first time Capcom referenced another fictional character given M. Bison is based on some anime villain I currently don't remember, Rose is based on Lisa Lisa from the second _Jojo_ part, Dan was essentially the first (?) fighting game parody character given he's a riff on SNK's Sakazaki family (Ryo, Yuri, and Takuma), and so on.
All these girls have unique designs and voices and names and special abilities. Now that I've watched this I will forever be disappointed that this is probably the most depth they will ever have.
This reminds me of mk 11 where they have cyrax and sektor in the game already and they have a couple missing moves, but they are completely modeled. It just feels like missed opportunities to me.
Months late but fun fact: If you hack the game to do Fatalities on the cyborgs, while they don't really dismember properly as you'd expect, if you do Johnny Cage's Fatality where he throws the head at the camera the glowing eyes actually do a "shutting off" animation that I believe is unique to that Fatality. Why do that do that? Hell if I know.
Super fun content to watch + Satsuki is such a good character imo, she really is a mix between Haohmaru from Samurai Showdown and Ibuki from SF3 (mostly because of the slide), it remembers me when I was playing Haohmaru in CVS2 and doing 35% dmg on a standing heavy punch. I hope Capcom will implement her in a future SF title, she looks cooler and seems to have a better moveset than Cammy !
Juli, but no Juni? That's odd, because I've always thought of them as a "partner pair", ever since they 1st appeared in Alpha 3. I actually like the concept of The Dolls & wish they were included in more SF stories. Since they're from all different walks of life & come from varying parts of the world, the dolls should be as diverse as the original SF 2 cast of playable characters. Hopefully the Dolls get more fleshed out & become unique, fully playable characters in future games.
Canonically, Juni was saved by Cammy right before SFIV (in the OVA). You actually see Juni in the hospital in Cammy's SFIV ending, then in some of Cammy's story mode cutscenes. Juni is one of my favorite Dolls, so hopefully she returns. It's stated that she may be training with Delta Red, so it is possible if Capcom grows some balls and adds more lesser known characters.
@@nebiyuesayas5600 Yea. I think Juni takes care of Cammy's cat or something. But that doesn't mean that she can't make a return as a playable character in some future installment of SF. The Dolls are a pretty cool idea, it's just a shame that Capcom hasn't used them enough in the games. But hopefully that'll change in the yrs to come. Instead of making "new" characters that are usually hit or (more often than not) miss, they could develop their pre-existing characters better. The Dolls could easily be woven into Cammy's backstories & missions, in-game. And since they're from different parts of the world, they could each be woven into another SF lore as well (like "Julia" aka "Juli" being put in T-Hawk's). Plus it'd make M. Bison more of a "big boss" in the game's lore w/ his connection to more characters.
With information like this about the dolls, I hope people can mod them to be actually characters, or import them to things like mugen, I always loved the personality many characters in fighting games have
The dolls are for canon purposes, they're clones of Cammy. The first successful clone to be Bison's next body So leave the dolls alone, they don't need to be changed or removed. Let Capcom work with the lore within interfering
They could've just forward port all her moves from SFIV and made her an extra, tournament illegal character. But that would be too much work for Capcom I guess.
@@RichterBelmont2235 I mean it wouldnt even be hard to give her a V system. Her V skills could be like Vega's (because lore) and VT1 could be like Nash VT1 to teleport and get around projectiles and whatever, and maybe VT2 is like one of Cammy's VT or some lame install. For her CA just make it like her Super in Ultra 4. Bam, tournament legal, kind of garbage, but an easy addition to the roster. Suppose that could be said for most of the Dolls, but tbh beyond the ones with the more unique designs in the later half of the video, they would kinda just be filler. Would be neat though.
@@tootsie_ True, tho honestly I'm not too sure how much I like the echo fighters in general. Obviously 30 years later here Ken is very different, but especially considering the way dlc is handed out nowadays, I don't want to buy a new character that's essentially a hacked/reskinned version of one I already have anymore.
Santamo, tsasuki, and decapare will be good for sf5. Maybe minor buffs and nerfs. I feel like santamo is alright, maybe a little more push back, tsasuki, NERF KATANA! and decapare, possibly make grab have more potential then combo-ing into back strong fierce kick. That is my rant on why these character should probably be in sf5 to give them more roster lol.
Story / lore wise they are all Bega Shin'eitai , "vega /dictator Elite Guards") or (ドールズ, Dōruzu Assassin moves ... gameplay wise cammy Was just the catalyst/ basis for them
Big Yellow, this video is singlehandedly the best sleep aid for me! I've never made it through the whole vid though XD I love your videos! This one for some reason is just really good at getting me to sleep
Great video, btw can you make a video like this about SFV Unplayable Bosses? (Ex:- Shin Akuma, Shin Bison, The Master Ryu, Shadow Nash/Chun Li, Shin Necalli etc)
This analysis is really cool. Almost all of the Dolls could have been made into full characters in their own right like Decapre was in USF4, so it's interesting to see all of the unique concepts that went into them.
It would’ve been thematic to have a playable Enero as she’s technically the leader of the dolls. She’d be commanding them with her megaphone so her other special moves would be her calling in the other dolls like assists.
I dunno what happened to me that I just watched myself do an overhead 4 times and forget how to talk and it didn't click with me that was a problem lmaoooo
From my experience as a cammy main, im pretty sure all of her skins except for the original one has jiggle physics so the dolls having them makes sense
Side note, Decapre and Juli are characters from previous games (Decapre from SF4, Juli from Alpha 3). SFV Decapre is based on her Omega version, and SFV Juli is basically her Alpha 3 version Also, Santamu is easily my favorite, and not just because she's Ethiopian like me 5:52 (Decapre) 11:42 (Juli) 15:33 (Santamu)
capcom should exploit the dolls concept doing something like snk heroines. I think it would be really fun to have a side game to SFV where they could experiment with crazy new concepts and mechanics
4:18 If we are talking about ground things, I guess you could consider Cody bad spray as a normal since it factors as a heavy normal on the priority system. If not, Its just air stuff like Zangief air headbutt.
it sucks that the backlash Capcom got because of Decapre in USF4 basically killed any chances that the dolls would be playable in SF history ever again. honestly i think my favorite idea out of all the dolls is April. doctors in fighting games aren't unheard of, skullgirls and guilty gear both have medical fighters in their rosters in the forms of valentine and faust. but valentine is a special case as she actually uses multiple different kinds of medical equipment in her fighting style. syringes, body bags, defibrillators ETC, hell her level 3 is literally her performing surgery on her opponent which may or may not cause the opponent's death. outside of the giant scalpel faust carries around, i don't think faust's doctor side ever comes out during a fight (could be wrong if i am please correct me). Capcom could have given April such an interesting move set for a fighting style like this and honestly the idea of a medical fighter in SF while it might not be the most unique idea would certainly set her apart from the rest of the cast and i would have loved to have seen what a medicinal combatant in street fighter would look like, but like mentioned earlier Decapre killed any and all possibilities of that. also, can we just talk about the memes that would be generated from "EX laptop"? XD
also small side note: is it me, or does it feel like there's TOO MANY dolls?. so many that it kind of destroys they're personalities?. i guess it's fitting given that this is bison but with such unique designs for each doll it seems weird that they wouldn't be as fleshed out personality wise as they look. honestly i feel like if they cut the dolls by half (Aprile, Santamu, satsuki, fevrier and noembelu being the ones to stay) and fleshed them out more you could actually have 5 unique interesting characters and play styles as well as still fill in the role of bison's dolls. maybe even cut the whole "they're cammy clones" portion of them so we can remove decapre : D
Just got an idea to introduce the dolls in a, more or less realistic way, into the roster. Make them the hyper ultra definitive stance character. So just combine them all into the same character. And make it so you can be able to change between all of them. Imagine something like, if you only use one of them they're very shitty but if you know how to link each stance into each other you get super beefy, albeit very complicated combos, combining the dolls' abbilities. I imagine the change between stance would be animated like changing character in a team tag game like kof or fighterz. As a character it would have a lot of unique personality since I don't think I've ever seen a stance character with more than 2 stances (maybe if you count pokemon trainer as having three different stances). But even if there is, pretty sure it doesn't have 8 different stances (now someone's gonna tell me some example I don't know but...my point still stands, it's not common) The fact that a lot of their normals are the same (being mostly cammy's and for some of them karin's and laura's) would compensate for the fact that they are so many different characters into one, so at the end it's not so much more difficult than the average "the devs wanted to make this guy as difficult as they could because no reason" character. Well ok I'll admit I just want to see laptop combos into competitive play.
I think Enero is bugged. After you use Hyper Voice, her hair seems to separate from the top of her head and leave a gap in between. It seems to stay that way until you reset. It seems to be most obvious right after the first EX Hyper Voice, you can even see the grid lines moving through the gap.
Very important. Cammy actually does have jiggle physics in one of her costumes. Do the costume code on her schoolgirl outfit and you'll see the same bounce. I have no idea why it only works on that specific costume, but the texture kinda looks like the doll's costumes so maybe it was copied over.
4:15 In Alpha 3, X-Ism Birdie's follow up to clHP is Bad Hammer, input with up HP. That's the only other SF normal I can think of that's input with up.
It would be cool to see an overview of the guest characters in SFxT and why they're so bad. There are PC mods to get sorta functioning versions of them in the PC version too
Yeah Enero has a lil extra bit of jank, on top of the hair she's the only one with a T-Pose taunt and her foot breaks during F.MK, idk what went wrong but it's pretty funny
I'm actualy very good thats why me and juni appeared in Alpha 3. The other dolls are just useless scout girls, Lord.Bison all he needs its me, Juni and Killer bee.
I'd love to see either Xiayu, Noembelu or Santamu playable in SF6. Xiayu has nunchakus, imagine using them in V-trigger? Would make some nasty combos. Noembelu is the strongest doll so it'd be cool to see her whoop some ass
They really should just put work into the Dolls and make them a set of unlockable characters. Then give us Dramatic Battle Mode and Dramatic Survival Mode
This vid was super fun to do, but there's two lil things I noticed after I finished. One is that it's not really like other Fighting Game Garbage vids, I feel like this one was less about talking about why stuff was bad and more just showing off the characters and what they can do. I think that was the right call considering there was 8 characters to cover though. Second off, sorry if the audio for the Enero section is a bit low, tried fixing it but Vegas was being a bitch and it's 1 in the morning so I'm not feeling that. Overall this should be louder than my other vids tho, I know they've been a lil quiet. Next vid will proly be a short one, been meaning to do one of them. That's that so, really hope you enjoy! Sorry if I take a while to get back to anyone, it's super late here so I'm just gonna go to bed as soon as I finish this.
AAAAAA there's a clip I didn't cut properly too how did I miss that I need to not make stuff at night ):
Maybe a name that fits better would be fighting game oddity?
I was very entertained. Many thanks.
@Muhammad Mustafa I hope we get Jade Goat as final character.
i know I'm pretty off topic but do anyone know of a good site to watch newly released movies online ?
Imagine saying the phrase “EX Laptop”
wow, what a wild thing to imagine
Ex laptop
I just imagined saying ex laptop
im taking it one step further. i just said it, out loud. your move.
Lmao
20:15 Satsuki is out for blood with that damage. Ma'am, Samurai Shodown is around _that_ corner.
It's literally Haohmaru's trademark move down to being god awful on whiff/block
Let's talk about that laptop.
It has 8 gb of ram , the screen seems to be a 60hz which pretty common and it's very minus on block
LOVED THIS
XD
So the specs are the same as your average laptop. Didn't realize that street fighter cared about realism.
Running Ubuntu AND your ass into the ground.
@@Denter86
Why is it running Ubuntu into the ground, though?
@@RealmsCrossMyths that laptop definitely run the mix of Windows CE, Windows Me and Windows NT. Which makes that laptop with Windows CeMeNT dumb as a brick and hard as a rock
"Enero's taunt definetely does not work"
*A-Poses*
No I think it works perfect as is
I will always remember Bafael’s video on the dolls and how he just started gushing about Santamu, how genuinely fun she was to play and pleading for Capcom to make her officially playable
Santamu is the best Doll free I'd be so down for her to be a full character
@@BigYellowSilly Yeah 100% tho Satsuki also seems really interesting, almost looks like she has a bit of Samurai Showdown in her
I feel like Capcom would want to avoid another pr problem like they did with introducing decapre as a new character for sf4
@@Eltrotraw the issue with Decapre was a couple different things, but it was mostly down to how they had hyped up a new character for a while then it turned out to be a clone of Cammy and she was the last character ever added to the game...
I really wanted to see either her or Satsuki playable, hell I thought Satsuki would be when they teased the season two characters (ended up being Menat, so I'm not complaining per se, lol). But yah, Santamu really caught my attention, seems like she has just the kind of gameplay shakeup Cammy needs, IMO.
bruh some of these dolls are like 2 steps away from being real characters.
Last time capcom did that, the community wailed and gnashed their teeth. They learned.
They should launch that dolls at unblockable characters for free
@@jvgjor bruh final character is actually just 5 of the dolls 😂
@@pupilmusic3197 😂🤣 i am outdated of sfv
@@vaiyt Someone should've punched the teeth out of the community, Decapre was a pretty fun addition on USF4 and actually less of a clone than people like to admit, she at least had more originality in her moves than Ken had for half of his existence. Which is literally my favorite thing out of SFV, Ken finally being his own character.
5:52 "Surprisingly, Decapre is one of the less interesting dolls" Then spends three solid minutes explaining her extensive and unique moveset that's bigger than multiples dolls combined.
Still doesn't have as much as she had in USFIV, which may be part of the reason if you're looking for those.
Kind of a shame we probably won't see any of these fleshed out into full on characters. Would be kinda neat to see a complete version of satsuki
Yesss. I’d love to see a finished Satsuki. Capcom probably forgot about the dolls right after story mode came out and it sucks
theres always sf6
This was me when I first saw Satsuki in the Climatic Story mode before her fight with Zangief Playable Satsuki when? That’s how much of an impression she left on me
Juli and Juni are playable in Street Fighter Alpha 3 (home console only). Decapre is in Street Fighter IV, but I forgot which version.
@@theosouris7063 She was the last character, introduced in Ultra. Actually, she gets a lot of hate because Capcom hyped her up as the last character, but everyone said she was a Cammy clone (she was, but she was more unique then Ken's first appearance as a separate character).
Also, Decapre was initally planned to be in SFV, but was replaced by Cammy after her medicore SFIV debut. Her NPC variant here is likely a remnant of that (the motion specials come from SFIV Omega, where she became a motion character).
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Oh. My. GAWD. My worse nightmare made reality. The combination of Laura and Cammy. Lammy.
or Caura
Um Jammer Lammy
Leave it to Lammy
Missed opportunity. Camura (Pronounced camera)
The Dolls would have been cool as a bonus mode.
An event fight where you take on shadaloo as the dolls would be cool
If they were good
Like in Alpha 3?
Juni and Juli?
Why the hell would cap on spend all that time and money in making these characters and you can’t even play them!? The people that made original sfv were some idiots.
@@neontetra1000 These obviously aren't even close to being full characters.
On the jiggle physics Cammy had them and they took it away same with Chun who still has but its not as pronounced as it was on release Mika also had physics as well these things were removed later after the game released like the old camera angles were
damn my first highlighted comment :3
@@MikaiGamer1286 rip, editing removes the highlight.
I think with a little creativity Capcom could wrangle all the dolls together into a fun little "Doll Squad" character. Like you play as the whole team and have a move to tag them in and out to switch between them, kind of like Zeku, in a set rotation.
V Skill 1 could be an assist button that calls the next doll in the rotation in to do their special, but has a cool down, V skill 2 could be a tag assist that has the next doll do her move but also switch in in the process, which would have different combo potential than VS1 depending on which character is being switched in, allowing for different set ups. V Trigger 1 could be an install the shortens the cooldown of assists for a set amount of time (potentially allowing for multiple assists in a single combo), while V Trigger 2 could be an install that increases the damage and launch of assists (say instead of being time based it buffs the next 3 assists you do, making it a long term threat the opponent has to respect more).
Granted that'd probably be totally fucked and unbalanced as shit, but I feel SFV is starting to get into that fun "fuck it" phase fighting games tend to go into at the tail end of their support.
3:46 imagine using this in a real match not worried about getting punished.
That would be some funny shit
Who needs hitstun when your character can assert dominance and stun the opponent irl out of fear
@@BigYellowSilly That part lol
I'm actually really surprised so much effort went into these characters.
The other Dolls probably have jiggle physics because Cammy used to have them too. They probably just forgot or couldnt be bothered to remove them from the Dolls
Because the puritans don't play games, so they didn't know about the Dolls' jiggle ;)
Oh no, I can't unsee the fact that Enero's hair displace after any attack, leaving her incomplete head open. It's really weird, none of the other dolls seem to have that issue
00:19 - März
02:23 - Aprile
03:34 - Enero
05:53 - Decapre
09:00 - Février
11:42 - Juli
15:32 - Santamu
17:53 - Setsuki
21:10 - Xiayu, Jianyu, Noembelu
i wish they made juni playable, not just juli, because juni's gimmick is that she's a charge-command version of cammy (similar to decapre) with a 360-degree command grab like zangief. but since she recovered from her shadaloo programming and is just a civilian now, i guess she doesn't want to fight anymore
That’s what PLOT is for!
Cammy: Juli??
J: Thank goodness! GET ME SOMEWHERE *SAFE* !
C:Were you attacked?
J: Yes! I mean I won, but I WANT OUT! ... but why are you here? Are you fighting...?
C: Just stay close...
J: Awww...
I loved Juni in alpha 3!!! She also had a dive kick in all isms(unlike cammy that only had it in v-ism), an air cannon arrow, a teleport dash(if you have the right timing you can completely dodge final Bison's psycho crusher), and her hooligan combination mid grab did more damage than Cammy's. She was the best Cammy lol
@@kumaquatro2406 i was gonna say you have good taste, but then i looked at your playlists on ur account and u have GREAT taste….. i thought i was the only one who liked the 3rd strike hd remixes! t4: kitsch, too???
Some bios of Juni suggest that she's training with Delta Red (notably the wiki), so it is possible she could return. We do see her in Cammy's SF4 and SFV story cutscenes, so it's possible.
As for her moveset, she actually was pretty unique. Arrow and DP were charge, she had a command dash (like Yang), and a 360, as well as always having divekick. She also had Cammy's Alpha 2 Gold super (the Psycho Crusher one).
@@nebiyuesayas5600 Juni is a Delta Red member in the comics... and it's not canon, but it'll be quite cool not gonna lie.
In regard to the dolls and their health value...
The health bar takes up a slight bit more than 7 squares of the back wall in length on the training stage, and Cammy's combo did about 4/7 of the health bar visually in damage, though I obviously can't determine precisely how much.
4/7 is about 57 percent (exactly it's 57.1̅4̅2̅8̅5̅7̅ percent), and the raw damage was 480. If we divide 480 by 4/7 (multiply by 7/4) we'll find an approximate health value for the dolls, 840. So unless non-multiples of 50 are used in SFV with any other health values, it's likely you were right in saying it was 850.
I'm probably the only person out there who actually likes the dolls, I wish they were all playable (especially Decapre, I've been wanting her and Sean in the game since season 1)
Ngl. I never really liked the dolls, but it's only because Cammy exists. It's kinda an unfair judgement, but the dolls feel just cheap to in terms of design even though I adore their concept. Like, I like clones that do different things like Ken and Akuma, but the dolls just don't feel right to me.
Why decapre though?
@@CameronKujo because she was in sf4 that's problably all
@@CameronKujo I like her because of her cool mask.
@@TheMasterBlaze have you played Rival Schools 1 Evolution Disk? There's a set of characters that totally work the concept. A lot of mix of different moves, that just work.
Setsuki's sword seems to be a haomaru reference, its very samsho (huge counter hits), even including the animation for being disarmed
Imagine this:
“The dolls” as a collective character. If you taunt, use an EX move, or a thing I’ll mention later, you change to the next character in the list afterwards. You choose which doll you start the match as from the title screen, and since some dolls don’t have moves in certain spots you can use things like grab to auto-swap to the doll with that move regardless of the order of the list before the move starts, making it very laggy to swap but allowing you to get to a character you need.
Cool concept , One problem I am in your walls
@@kimmccranie6623 to quote a comment I saw on what you’re referencing,”these fists ‘bout to be inside your *head* !”
I want Setsuki playable so badly. Crush Counter EX Sword may finally stop online Ryu and Ken lol
Agreed
Bruh what are you silver? You can't deal with shotos?
@@sirchris6047 Platinum. Just because I can deal with them, doesn’t mean I enjoy seeing a Ryu or Ken wake up DP for 100th time.
whatchu mean, she just asserts dominance, the t pose is the perfect taunt
~THE WEAK SHOULD FEAR THE STRONG~ >
very enjoyable video! dolls have me very enthusiastic, the better ones feel like they're just a CA+VT+some depth away from being fully fledged characters. Santamu and Satsuki in particular already have pretty cool stuff and very unique gameplans could be constructed just by expanding on their kits a little
Imagine a stance switch character that could switch between the specials of a few of these dolls. I might main that ngl.
He isn't a doll but Gen in both
Street fighter alpha and sf4 could
Switch stances .
DOLL ZERO
But someone changed the firmware...
XD
Or, how about after releasing the Last Character, Capcom should create a Doll Slot. In a similar fashion with Eleven, by picking the Doll Slot, you can select either of the 12 Dolls of your choice (including Juni, Noembelu, Jian Yu, and Xia Yu) and play them as complete characters.
18:39 You mean an *_IZUNA DROP?!!!_* Almost all ninjas in every fighting game ever has some kind of aerial throw, usually ending in a suplex (Izuna/Rainbow Drop) or slam, or they get launched into the air really high before launching/teleporting to the opponent into the air.
And Kimberly, the new girl on the block, is no exception.
Imagine the terror the V 1.0 coders must have felt having to code all 12 of the dolls, even partly to make them combat npcs.
That jiggle physics tech on decapre is top tier. That earned you a sub
The jiggle barely jiggling wdym
I remember hearing Elena was originally planned to use a spear. There's still some evidence of it in some official art. Wonder if Santamu is based off that?
Probably more just something Capcom (or Japan) associates with Africans.
@@charlesajones77 You're saying that as if Americans didn't do that with Black Panther.
I imagine it was the other way around since Santamu came first and her character design had a spear (and a pet monkey) seemingly from the beginning. I wouldn't be surprised if, besides _Street Fighter_ (and Japan) tending to rely on stereotypes of outsiders, the only reason they considered giving Elena a spear is because Santamu has never been a proper character.
(Amusingly I always thought Santamu was southeast Asian in the original artwork, not African.)
@@MusicoftheDamned Interesting, I knew they established there were 12 Dolls with SFA3, but I didn't realize they went into detail with any of them outside of Cammy, Juni and Juli.
Looking into it though, it looks like originally Santamu came from Vietnam and that was retconned to Ethiopia. Santamu itself is the Vietnamese word for August.
With a lot of Street Fighter 3 characters, they were based on both a real person and a fictional characters, and in Elena's case I know it's been outright stated in interviews that Elena was based on Yuki Uchida (find pictures of her tanned in a swimsuit, it's pretty uncanny), while it's been really hard for me not to recognize all the similarities between Elena and Gainax's Nadia.
@@WraxTV Yeah, the initial work for the Dolls was already rather complete by the time of _SFA3_ was done, especially since technically do show up in that game as sprites in Juli and Juni's mid-boss intro. It's just that outside of those everything else about them, even their names, were all only in obscure sourcebooks that were never released outside of Japan IIRC. Not sure if changed until _SFV_ (or if it still has to be honest).
That said, yeah, some of them have definitely been retconned on top of that. So it's good to have it confirmed that I was correct to remember that Santamu started out southeast Asian since I haven't seen the pictures in years even though they're probably still around here somewhere. Amusingly, Santamu isn't even the worst offender given the whole weirdness with apparently both the November doll *and* Juli being kidnapped from T. Hawk's tribe now instead of just the former despite Juli being white and German as fuck. I swear that poor guy can't catch a break.
As for Elena, yeah, that sounds familiar. It's also not surprising to hear since I vaguely remember Dudley being based on at least one real life British boxer, which is part of why I've found it idiotic that too many people make such a fuss over his ethnicity/"race" like he can only be one; the same goes for Balrog (Boxer) being based on Mike Tyson, hence the Japanese name of *M.* Bison that still persists over there, and Hugo obviously being a homage to Andre the Giant. Elena also definitely wouldn't be the first time Capcom referenced another fictional character given M. Bison is based on some anime villain I currently don't remember, Rose is based on Lisa Lisa from the second _Jojo_ part, Dan was essentially the first (?) fighting game parody character given he's a riff on SNK's Sakazaki family (Ryo, Yuri, and Takuma), and so on.
All these girls have unique designs and voices and names and special abilities. Now that I've watched this I will forever be disappointed that this is probably the most depth they will ever have.
This reminds me of mk 11 where they have cyrax and sektor in the game already and they have a couple missing moves, but they are completely modeled. It just feels like missed opportunities to me.
MKX had a few like that too but it was mainly characters who were in MK9 like Rain
Months late but fun fact: If you hack the game to do Fatalities on the cyborgs, while they don't really dismember properly as you'd expect, if you do Johnny Cage's Fatality where he throws the head at the camera the glowing eyes actually do a "shutting off" animation that I believe is unique to that Fatality.
Why do that do that? Hell if I know.
That ex sword crush counter move is so fucking dope bro i love it
It does 480 damage...that's insane
Super fun content to watch + Satsuki is such a good character imo, she really is a mix between Haohmaru from Samurai Showdown and Ibuki from SF3 (mostly because of the slide), it remembers me when I was playing Haohmaru in CVS2 and doing 35% dmg on a standing heavy punch. I hope Capcom will implement her in a future SF title, she looks cooler and seems to have a better moveset than Cammy !
20:34 ah yes, Samurai Fighter
Juli, but no Juni? That's odd, because I've always thought of them as a "partner pair", ever since they 1st appeared in Alpha 3. I actually like the concept of The Dolls & wish they were included in more SF stories. Since they're from all different walks of life & come from varying parts of the world, the dolls should be as diverse as the original SF 2 cast of playable characters. Hopefully the Dolls get more fleshed out & become unique, fully playable characters in future games.
Canonically, Juni was saved by Cammy right before SFIV (in the OVA). You actually see Juni in the hospital in Cammy's SFIV ending, then in some of Cammy's story mode cutscenes.
Juni is one of my favorite Dolls, so hopefully she returns. It's stated that she may be training with Delta Red, so it is possible if Capcom grows some balls and adds more lesser known characters.
@@nebiyuesayas5600 Yea. I think Juni takes care of Cammy's cat or something. But that doesn't mean that she can't make a return as a playable character in some future installment of SF.
The Dolls are a pretty cool idea, it's just a shame that Capcom hasn't used them enough in the games. But hopefully that'll change in the yrs to come. Instead of making "new" characters that are usually hit or (more often than not) miss, they could develop their
pre-existing characters better. The Dolls could easily be woven into Cammy's backstories & missions,
in-game. And since they're from different parts of the world, they could each be woven into another SF lore as well (like "Julia" aka "Juli" being put in T-Hawk's). Plus it'd make M. Bison more of a "big boss" in the game's lore w/ his connection to more characters.
That’s because Juni isn’t a doll anymore and recovered due to Cammy’s help, and in Cammy’s story she doesn’t want to fight anymore
i mean t posing is probably the best taunt to tilit the enemy
3:43
XD
With information like this about the dolls, I hope people can mod them to be actually characters, or import them to things like mugen, I always loved the personality many characters in fighting games have
Maybe the mysterious mod can make them full fledged characters. They added Peter of characters, so the sky’s the limit over there
The dolls are for canon purposes, they're clones of Cammy. The first successful clone to be Bison's next body
So leave the dolls alone, they don't need to be changed or removed. Let Capcom work with the lore within interfering
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess who needs lore, we can pull a dream match and have characters back that doesn't make sense
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess they’re talking about mods not lore
I've watched all your FGG videos, hoping to see more on various other games. Subbed.
Just discovered your account and binged the whole fg garbage playlist. Really good stuff, surprised it doesn’t have more views!
Sheesh, Satsuki out here punishing like Haomaru.
I like some of their designs, I think they could be full characters with a bit of retooling to bring out their individual personalities a bit more
Still pissed decapre didn’t make the game
She was originally going to be in the base roster of V over cammy, but they changed it after how much hate her trailer got.
@@LucasC2022 wait really? do you have a source for that? damn, that's so sad if it's true
I would have taken Juli again. I used to use her in SFA3.
@@LucasC2022
Birdie was gonna be the sole brittish character Representive then they said
Cammy was too popular to be left out also.
Lorewise she also didn't fit
I thought they would have brought Decapre in as DLC again, but after USF4 maybe they were scared.
They could've just forward port all her moves from SFIV and made her an extra, tournament illegal character. But that would be too much work for Capcom I guess.
@@RichterBelmont2235 I mean it wouldnt even be hard to give her a V system. Her V skills could be like Vega's (because lore) and VT1 could be like Nash VT1 to teleport and get around projectiles and whatever, and maybe VT2 is like one of Cammy's VT or some lame install. For her CA just make it like her Super in Ultra 4. Bam, tournament legal, kind of garbage, but an easy addition to the roster. Suppose that could be said for most of the Dolls, but tbh beyond the ones with the more unique designs in the later half of the video, they would kinda just be filler. Would be neat though.
@@tootsie_ is that easy to make?
@@BackForwardPunch in comparison to a whole other character, yeah. It's the Echo Fighter principle. I assume thats why Decapre even exists at all.
@@tootsie_ True, tho honestly I'm not too sure how much I like the echo fighters in general. Obviously 30 years later here Ken is very different, but especially considering the way dlc is handed out nowadays, I don't want to buy a new character that's essentially a hacked/reskinned version of one I already have anymore.
Cool seeing all the dolls paying homage to their master Vega. That Izuna drop on the last one really cemented her as one of his star pupils imo
Santamo, tsasuki, and decapare will be good for sf5. Maybe minor buffs and nerfs. I feel like santamo is alright, maybe a little more push back, tsasuki, NERF KATANA! and decapare, possibly make grab have more potential then combo-ing into back strong fierce kick. That is my rant on why these character should probably be in sf5 to give them more roster lol.
Interesting how theyre clones of cammy yet feel incomplete in many way
Story / lore wise they are all
Bega Shin'eitai , "vega /dictator Elite Guards") or (ドールズ, Dōruzu
Assassin moves ... gameplay wise cammy
Was just the catalyst/ basis for them
Her laptop is dragging on the freaking floor 😆
Big Yellow, this video is singlehandedly the best sleep aid for me! I've never made it through the whole vid though XD
I love your videos! This one for some reason is just really good at getting me to sleep
Great video, btw can you make a video like this about SFV Unplayable Bosses? (Ex:- Shin Akuma, Shin Bison, The Master Ryu, Shadow Nash/Chun Li, Shin Necalli etc)
I actually haven't found a way to play them yet, but if I do I'd love to make vids on them
how do you mod these characters in? They seem really fun to play
This analysis is really cool. Almost all of the Dolls could have been made into full characters in their own right like Decapre was in USF4, so it's interesting to see all of the unique concepts that went into them.
It would’ve been thematic to have a playable Enero as she’s technically the leader of the dolls. She’d be commanding them with her megaphone so her other special moves would be her calling in the other dolls like assists.
“Sir, there’s a commotion... and I think some UN translator is arranging calendars ?”
XD
Like the Stryker system in the King of Fighters 2001
February looking nice with the mixup and the B.B.Hood Uzi!
Capcom really need to finish them and release all of them as a "Doll DLC Package" for the price of 1 dlc character
Last character(s) for 5th season is still unknown. Unlikely it them but a guy can hope.
Fully agree!
Honestly my man, this is one of my favorite series, I love seeing these small characters get some love, keep it up
Some really cool special moves, I'd actually be very happy to have a more fleshed out Decapre be playable.
12:07 "Forward ME!"
I dunno what happened to me that I just watched myself do an overhead 4 times and forget how to talk and it didn't click with me that was a problem lmaoooo
@@BigYellowSilly I'm only teasing. It's not a huge deal. Great video overall, man!
@@SouthpawHare Thanks! Happy you enjoyed it either way, I'm gonna trim that lil part out anyways so it'll be g
whats the background music? all of the songs sounds really great!
Cammy's themes in Ultra Street Fighter 2 and the 3DO version of Super Turbo!
From my experience as a cammy main, im pretty sure all of her skins except for the original one has jiggle physics so the dolls having them makes sense
Waiting for the video where pros face each other using the dolls
8:48 Big Yellow Man of Culture. omfg those physics were nuts, she almost punched herself in the face
I just noticed that Decapre's Psycho Sting is the same animation as Ed's Psycho Upper.
What mod is used to play as the Story Mode characters? (Peter, Dolls, etc)
Decapre has certainly fallen from grace.
5:52 "less interesting dolls"
8:49 neuron activated
Side note, Decapre and Juli are characters from previous games (Decapre from SF4, Juli from Alpha 3). SFV Decapre is based on her Omega version, and SFV Juli is basically her Alpha 3 version
Also, Santamu is easily my favorite, and not just because she's Ethiopian like me
5:52 (Decapre)
11:42 (Juli)
15:33 (Santamu)
Santamu were suppose to be Vietnamese (like me), but Capcom changed it up for some reason
@@PhuNguyen-ph6lx Yep, her name is based on the word for August. Odd change, but I'm cool with it
capcom should exploit the dolls concept doing something like snk heroines. I think it would be really fun to have a side game to SFV where they could experiment with crazy new concepts and mechanics
4:18 If we are talking about ground things, I guess you could consider Cody bad spray as a normal since it factors as a heavy normal on the priority system. If not, Its just air stuff like Zangief air headbutt.
@20:30 "Now thats what we like to call, BIG damage!
Enero's Taunt is very much intended. How else do you strike fear into your enemy?
3:43
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it sucks that the backlash Capcom got because of Decapre in USF4 basically killed any chances that the dolls would be playable in SF history ever again. honestly i think my favorite idea out of all the dolls is April. doctors in fighting games aren't unheard of, skullgirls and guilty gear both have medical fighters in their rosters in the forms of valentine and faust. but valentine is a special case as she actually uses multiple different kinds of medical equipment in her fighting style. syringes, body bags, defibrillators ETC, hell her level 3 is literally her performing surgery on her opponent which may or may not cause the opponent's death. outside of the giant scalpel faust carries around, i don't think faust's doctor side ever comes out during a fight (could be wrong if i am please correct me). Capcom could have given April such an interesting move set for a fighting style like this and honestly the idea of a medical fighter in SF while it might not be the most unique idea would certainly set her apart from the rest of the cast and i would have loved to have seen what a medicinal combatant in street fighter would look like, but like mentioned earlier Decapre killed any and all possibilities of that.
also, can we just talk about the memes that would be generated from "EX laptop"? XD
also small side note: is it me, or does it feel like there's TOO MANY dolls?. so many that it kind of destroys they're personalities?. i guess it's fitting given that this is bison but with such unique designs for each doll it seems weird that they wouldn't be as fleshed out personality wise as they look. honestly i feel like if they cut the dolls by half (Aprile, Santamu, satsuki, fevrier and noembelu being the ones to stay) and fleshed them out more you could actually have 5 unique interesting characters and play styles as well as still fill in the role of bison's dolls. maybe even cut the whole "they're cammy clones" portion of them so we can remove decapre : D
Just got an idea to introduce the dolls in a, more or less realistic way, into the roster.
Make them the hyper ultra definitive stance character. So just combine them all into the same character. And make it so you can be able to change between all of them. Imagine something like, if you only use one of them they're very shitty but if you know how to link each stance into each other you get super beefy, albeit very complicated combos, combining the dolls' abbilities. I imagine the change between stance would be animated like changing character in a team tag game like kof or fighterz. As a character it would have a lot of unique personality since I don't think I've ever seen a stance character with more than 2 stances (maybe if you count pokemon trainer as having three different stances). But even if there is, pretty sure it doesn't have 8 different stances (now someone's gonna tell me some example I don't know but...my point still stands, it's not common)
The fact that a lot of their normals are the same (being mostly cammy's and for some of them karin's and laura's) would compensate for the fact that they are so many different characters into one, so at the end it's not so much more difficult than the average "the devs wanted to make this guy as difficult as they could because no reason" character.
Well ok I'll admit I just want to see laptop combos into competitive play.
I think Enero is bugged. After you use Hyper Voice, her hair seems to separate from the top of her head and leave a gap in between. It seems to stay that way until you reset. It seems to be most obvious right after the first EX Hyper Voice, you can even see the grid lines moving through the gap.
nobody gonna mention how the further to the left of the screen enero is, the further her hair flies off her head?
Didn't expect Samsho reference in one of the doll
Same
XD
Forgot to ask earlier, where are you getting the attack names? Does the command list actually show their moves?
Please can you share this mod? I've wanted to try these characters for so long! Thanks.
Very important. Cammy actually does have jiggle physics in one of her costumes. Do the costume code on her schoolgirl outfit and you'll see the same bounce. I have no idea why it only works on that specific costume, but the texture kinda looks like the doll's costumes so maybe it was copied over.
4:15 In Alpha 3, X-Ism Birdie's follow up to clHP is Bad Hammer, input with up HP. That's the only other SF normal I can think of that's input with up.
That’s rare in FGC, methinks
XD
Can you share a song list for this vid? The music is really good but I can’t find it.
I need to start doing that, my bad. The two songs are Cammy's themes in Ultra Street Fighter 2 and the 3DO version of SF2
@@BigYellowSilly oh ok thank you so much! I have been loving these vids, keep up the great work!
Satsuki looking like a SamSho character and I fucks with it
Someone mod Decapre to have the other Dolls' moves and also better frame data. That'd be cool
sick video, sick channel. hope you continue to grow cuz you deserve it.
Me: Good vid, never knew this
Also me, an intellectual: T H I G H S
April ... that floating syringe and medical kit ... just look weird
How do you gain access to the unused characters?
It would be cool to see an overview of the guest characters in SFxT and why they're so bad. There are PC mods to get sorta functioning versions of them in the PC version too
That would be fun, SFxT is super unexplored but it's a cool game
That counter EX Sword of Satsuki is straight up some SamSho shit
What is that First Aid box and syringe just floating there for?! Is this an unofficial mod?
The pink hair girl's hair gets misaligned with her head sometimes causing a hole you can see through lmao
Edit: you can see it at like 5:18
Yeah Enero has a lil extra bit of jank, on top of the hair she's the only one with a T-Pose taunt and her foot breaks during F.MK, idk what went wrong but it's pretty funny
I'm actualy very good thats why me and juni appeared in Alpha 3.
The other dolls are just useless scout girls, Lord.Bison all he needs its me, Juni and Killer bee.
Indeed!
Explain how Akuma can do a raging demon solo and you two have to do it together.
@@LordBison-bm5eb Also Ryu's going to kill you on sight.
@@LordBison-bm5eb Also Ryu's going to kill you on sight.
@@LordBison-bm5eb Missed opportunity to say "OF COURSE!"
I understand the community tend to dislike the dolls, especially Decapre... but i think she's so cool. Would play her, absolutely.
I'd love to see either Xiayu, Noembelu or Santamu playable in SF6. Xiayu has nunchakus, imagine using them in V-trigger? Would make some nasty combos. Noembelu is the strongest doll so it'd be cool to see her whoop some ass
Satsuki with the Strive damage
COUNTER
XD
21:15 Capcom was really about to put in a Samurai Shodown character bruh
They really should just put work into the Dolls and make them a set of unlockable characters.
Then give us Dramatic Battle Mode and Dramatic Survival Mode
Curious as to what songs you used in the vid, they sound good