Expert Explains Why Immigration Is Necessary In Select Committee!
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Professor Brian Bell, of the Migration Advisory Committee, told the Home Affairs committee that if supermarkets are paying higher wages than the care sector, Britain will need to rely more on immigration.
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Stop listening to MPs start listen to the experts instead 👍
The Tories won’t listen to the experts,as they always THINK they have all the answers.
I’d love to see the likes of Sunak picking fruit or veg for a living or Braverman or Jenrick doing care work! They wouldn’t last 10 minutes!! The trouble is the Tories don’t listen to the experts,they always THINK they have all the answers.
That's why Gove said people were fed up with experts, because experts showed up government ministers lies.
@@DerekHarrison-ue9vvYep because that's a red flag of malignant narcissism.
@@DerekHarrison-ue9vv
You prefer to see foreigners pick it on the cheap & worked half to death.
We know you types
This is why we were all told to ignore "Experts" during the referendum campaign. They tend to get it right and contradict those with a political agenda.
The Tories need to be asked if they wipe someone's bum for minimum wage.
Jenrick wouldn't! 😃
The perverts would do it for nothing
What Tories do in the privacy of their private clubs is their business…
@@derekjc777😂😂😂😂😂😂
Professor Brian Bell nails it ! 👏👏👏
coffin nails.
Its even more ridiculous that Tories want British people to take lower wages when you consider their actions in demonising anyone on universal credit.
A rule should be brought in where the MP's can only work as a doctor, nurse or care worker as their second job.
Bravo Professor Brian Bell ❤
Bring it under the NHS. It's the only way. If the government does provide more money for local councils, then Private operators will simply pocket the extra money.
I totally agree! There are far too many agency carers where I live and Essex county council are expecting me to pay £61 per week from my disability benefits! I'm very far from living the high life!
Low wages aside, 2 things, remember how James Cleverly proudly announced that those coming to care for OUR family members wouldn't be allowed to bring thei own families with them, and if caring, be it nursing or elderly care is a vocation, shouldn't public service, ie being an MP be a vocation? See how they would cope on £11.50 p/h!
Why don't you care for your OWN family members & be grateful for what they gave you, instead of relying on a foreigner on £11.50 which you have a problem with?
@@tonygange7636ah ok so people should just stop working to look after their parents should they need care throughout the day? Your logic is solid🙄
@@whackeryounis
You can still work & look after your parents, many do which doesn't take much 'logic', just not being an ungrateful swine if you were raised right.
@@whackeryounis
Max is a coward whos deleted who threads on his page from yesterday.
Yes, look after your family, work around them. Many people do this already & wouldn't abandon the people who raised them
@@tonygange7636 Ok cool. When i'm trying to put a package of care for older patients who need round the clock care support, I'll tell their children, who are struggling financially due to this shit econcomny, to just leave their jobs, find a new one regardless of where they live, that will be flexible enough to maintain their finances while simultaneously taking care of themselves, their kids and their parents. Yea. That is so very feeesible for everyone. Can some people do it? of course and many do but you're delusional if you think everybody has the means to be able to take care of their parents with challenging health issues whilst working a full time job and looking after kids, especially as the government doesn't give any support to family members who do stay at home to be full time carers. People pay their taxes so they can be looked after at all ages. Don't shame people who don't have the means to work around their elders.
Cue your story of how you worked 81 jobs while looking after 5 parents and 17 kids in a 2 bedroom house on a salary of 30k a year
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Harvey Andrews / Targets:
My wife she nurses sick and old,
the builders of the nation
And then they pay a pauper′s wage
And tell her it's vocation
She'd love to ride the world around
To give the cups or prizes
But someone′s got to feed the blind
And see the cripple rises
Workers in the care sector need to be trained to do this job. It is not an easy job and leaves the elderly people open to abuse and bullying. Power can be a dangerous thing. A lot of people who are struggling financially are not usually happy in their work and that has an impact on the people they care for.
In the care sector there is also a mental component. It can be mentally challenging and not everyone is cut out to be a carer
Very true. Abuse will increase if people are forced to do care work.
One has to have the many other values that can't be measured by the £ sign.
Without a doubt the salary and working conditions have to change to allow the care workers to live and not be burnt out after a few months of extremely physical and mental health employment
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Good evening Max and all here. Finally I listened to someone intelligent 🤓. Bravo professor Brian Bell 🔔🔔🔔👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Absolutely Spot on Well said Professor Bell ❤
They raised MPs salaries to spend half their time on recess and in second homes - in addition to claiming for heating pools and stables - but care workers should be treated like dirt.
14 effing years of misery.
Please God let them all lose their seats.
Stack shelves for £12ph or change someones soiled underwear for minimum wage.
Shelves😂
Oddly, the same issue nursery's are suffering.
That giving human care for citizens in their final years is paid less than mindless shelf stacking demonstrates with clarity the values of this Tory leadership; things, stuff to sell is worth more than simple human kindness.
And we have Jeremy Hunt saying £100K a year isn't much.
The thing is even the Sunak government doesn't want to train local British people as well (which requires making universities free again and)... they don't even want to increase the wages of workers as well.
It's insane, our population is growing at 0.4% per annum or less. And that's with the current immigration at record levels. Without immigration our population would probably be shrinking and it would be the workforce that pays taxes that would shrink.
Yes, without immigration the UK population would have been falling since the 1970s, because that’s when the fertility rate fell below 2.1 children per woman, the amount required to maintain a constant population.
@@derekjc777
We've had 9 million people come in the last 2 decades, that means MANY don't want to do the job you expect of them.. but xenophobic to think they should be doing the rubbish jobs for peanuts
@@tonygange7636 no one should be expected to work for poverty wages, no matter their background.
@@tonygange7636 Not sure where you got your figures from. Even Migration Watch UK state "Since 2000, the total UK population has risen by eight million and just surpassed a record 67 million. The total immigration-related component of this growth is about seven million when the children of migrants are included."
Plus what evidence do you have about which jobs immigrants do? Many came to work in the NHS and still do, because there is no realistic alternative. Many came to the UK to study and stayed on; they won't study forever. Instead they are doing complex jobs where we have a shortage (science, engineering, medicine) and British born residents are either too lazy or stupid to do. Without them there is no real growth in the economy.
But more curious is, why you think I'm interested in your xenophobia? I made a comment about population growth, not about immigrants and the jobs they do.
@@mrdaveythebaby
Not according to remainers who accept that foreigners will do sh1t work, for sh11 money
We should remind the MP’s that being an MP is vocation and pay them accordingly with no expenses or additional benefits and let’s see how they rush to the commons for national minimum wage 😅
Put politicians on minimum wage!
Only way things will change.
Also I Jane noticed with my mums carers , who are excellent, that many have come to this country and are highly educated , they are doing the carers role until they find something better
Many countries see the job as skilled, and valued. They train their people to care. Those care workers are skilled and have the right attitude. They do not see it as a stepping stone job..
Dont forget that money is then going to outsourced agencies who all have to take their cut before the employee can expect a pay rise. And open to abuse by the private sector. Some agencies buy & sell 'nurse contracts' of foreign nationals who have .... Checks himan rights notes ... Agreed to work in indentured servitude untill all debts ate paid... Doesn't sound like outsourcing 'care' is working.
P Brian Bell as should be Hero of the Week.
Surely part of the solution has to be removing the profit element from social care.
O God? This’s still being explained.
Great Clip ♥️
The Tories don't need experts! Isn't that what Michael Gove said? That malarkey has worked out quite well hasn't it!
What irritates me is why social care is seen as an unskilled job. Having worked in Education most of my own working life I can safely say that many of the young people leaving school with few or no qualifications are simply not suited either socially or emotionally to care for elderly or disabled people. Caring is a job which requires a specific and demanding skill set - why are governments not prepared to pay adequately for this when they’re happy to waste billions on senseless unworkable schemes like The Rwanda project and more than happy to funnel millions into corrupt schemes which benefit cronies and donors? 3:24
It is a reflection of the electorate. The sick, elderly, disabled and mentally unwell in this country are being demonised or forgotten about. Yet not a single protest, march, meeting, campaign....nothing. If people don't care, why do you expect the Government to do so ?
Funding for care has been too low since I first manged a care home in 2002. So cuts are made to food, laundry, PPE, numbers of staff per shift and resources for entertainment. Lots of homes have issues with hygiene. Plus the stress is not just cleaning a bottom. It is cleaning someone who is fighting you, it is responding to relatives who are unhappy with care. It is about trying to deal with situations for which you have no training. It is dealing with management systems based on criticism and blame. Added to this we have an inspection organisation (CQC) which has no responsibility for funding or assisting in improvement, but focuses on criticism and demanding improvement. Time to get a grip or admit that the older or vulnerable people do not count and need to die.......at home.
There you have it!
It's the old story of the piwers that be not paying a living wage if you love your work, especially what is deemed "women's work".
If you want to have your cake and eat it, too, you're going to have to import some cake.
Care is not like making widgets. You are dealing with vulnerable people. You are taking care of their most intimate needs. Do you think you can just chuck bodies at this? Spend some time in a Nursing Unit or a care home and then see if you or yours want to work there.,regardless of the wages.
hi . im modern slave work in care home ... i get minimum wadge .. me boss tell me work "on call" is not work this is "privilege" that is not pay(need be ready to go emergency help in 1 minute or less) ... i work full month every day 12h ... when i dont have shift always have "on call" ... off curse no extra anual live ... they trethen me not talk with Council (but tomorrow they come for inspection and i will talk)... off curse i will lose job ... but i have enaf be slave.
How much is minimum wage in the UK?
My daughter is a care worker and her hourly rate isn’t too bad but is only paid when she is a a clients house and not when travelling between clients. This mean she I only paid for around 70% of her time at work.
A relative of ours was a tipper driver. He was only paid for the hours his lorry was being driven, loaded. No waiting time while being filled. It is immoral,
I had to look that up: Minimum wage in the UK was raised on 1 April (fools work?) to £11.44 an hour, up from £10.42.
I do not know Aldi in the UK, but here in Germany you may expect to work no unpaid minute from what I hear.
I have a hunch that in the health sector, there may be some hours and efforts asked for but not getting paid?
Looking at the figures and the public social safety nets I would prefer Aldi in Germany any time 🙂
Some may see care work as a vocation, but the majority in the sector are people with no employment choices, they do it because they have to! Max, many of these foreign care workers find themselves defrauded by the agencies that recruit them.
Simple and obvious solution, unfortunately theTories are too thick to see it.
An aging population just means that the burden of care is increasing. Paying more money doesn't increase the number of people available to do the work.
The thing that gets me is that they pay so little that many care workers also qualify for universal credit. If they funded a pay raise by as much as universal credit is paying these workers it wouldn't cost any more then it does now, but would probably attract a lot more people. This isn't even like the US where the minimum wage is decided by the individual states and welfare is paid by the federal government, this is both coming from the same pool of money but with extra expense and paperwork.
This is a simple and clear argument but MPs are still too stupid to follow it.
there is only a limited number of workers. Even if you take away staff from "aldi" who are then going to work there. Then a knock on to food prices if supermarket staff get wages to match care homes.. the loss of freedom of movement is hitting home and has been since brexit.
The fertility rate in Britain has been below 2.1 per woman for decades. There is no sign whatsoever of this changing.
So while the number of dependents is growing (the disabled and the elderly, as people are living longer), the workforce is dropping like a stone. Quite simply, we either have to accept we will become a poorer country and will struggle to have the workers to look after those dependents, or we need migration.
The irony is that so many Brexit voters to keep EU citizens out because they didn't like Pakistanis. As a result they have more people with dark skins coming into the country.
Net immigration of 600,000 a year though. Seems very excessive to me
@@travis3430
Seems, but hundreds of thousands for 3 decades has been excessive?
@@tonygange7636 i don't know exact figures historically, but it feels like immigration is ramping up & the services & economy is going down.
@@travis3430
Check stati-sta & it'll give you the numbers from 93-23, then load up houses built for social.
Been 30 years of this
@@tonygange7636 it's over then, the expectations of standards of living & the social contract I was brought up believing, it's just being swept under the rug. Now we can't walk on the rug as it's that lumpy, let's all not look at the rug or pretend it doesn't exist, or get gaslit for pointing it out. Only 1 other friend I can talk about societies issues with. All the others say ' oh he's going on 1 again lol' when I bring up issues. Funny thing is, we're in the best financial situation 😂. My other friends are anything from pretty well to struggling financially when looking at the big picture but they can't seem to internalise it.
What will happen if the employers will begin to pay more for the same work? It means they'll have to project the increased costs to the price of the product. What will that mean? That people will have to pay more for the same thing. And therefore, they'll need greater salary still... I'm not an economist, but I've heard about inflation spiral. I thought one of Sunak's top 5 priorities was to cut inflation down, not to spin it up. Anyway, say goodbye to the value of the pound...
What is the minimum wage?
Truth to power! Great to see these rare examples voiced. Conservatives prioritise tax cuts over the funding of elderly social care. Only the electorate can change that.
The trouble is there are still too many that’ll go and vote Conservative again,and I’m talking about working class folks.Where I live it’s like Tory town,and you get into debates in the pubs about why they continue giving their votes to the shysters in government.Some of the answers just make you despair.Like you say,the electorate can change that,but unfortunately,some are just set in their ways and won’t go and vote for an opposition party or even an independent.
@@DerekHarrison-ue9vv
Because your answers is cheap labour foreigners Derek, who also gets old. It's a dumb idea proven for the last 2 decades
@@DerekHarrison-ue9vv Keep highlighting the power of the voter. It's what democracy is for.
Eèeeevery business leader knows that you need people to grow a business. This is a red flag for the UK. The UK economy cannot grow without people. 0.6% growth is anemic at best. That stinks to books being cooked. Cooking the books is not sustainable.
It has been for the Tories. They have been fleecing the taxpayer for over fourteen years and hoped we wouldn't notice!
Err..well we have! These charlatans and crooks need to be consigned to the dustbin and into oblivion. This is arguably the worst government we have ever had! Starmer may not have all the answers but he couldn't possibly do any worse. In a fact a bunch of chimpanzees couldn't! Call the election before these clowns do any more damage!
Fun fact: Here in Denmark, we do not have any minimum wage.
How's it done over there? Does whatever system Denmark has seem to work, in your opinion?
Genuinely curious, not trying to say anything.
@@meursault7030 I would say it works fine. Wages are in general negotiated between the Employer and the local shop steward member of and educated by the trade union. I my self have negotiated many times in my time.
As a negotiator, we look at the company's finances and start our demands from there. Some years the company is in good shape, then we want a bigger cut. When the company is doing badly, we will often restrain our demands a little. At least, that's what I did, and I know others did the same.
Deals are usually for two or three years.
@@meursault7030 Payment:
Just looked up some numbers on payment. It is from the much used site called Trading Economics. It is wages, I GUESS it is over all average wage, doesn't really matter, it is equal for both countries.
Denmark, 46003 DDK per MONTH = 5289 GBP per MONTH. December 2023.
UK, 682 GBP per WEEK. March 2024.
An electrician earns on average 223 DDK per hour = 25,6 GBP per hour.
A CNC operator earns in average 31284 DDK per Month = 3597 GBP per month.
@@meursault7030 This is why Denmark will never make it to cope British levels!
@@peterebel7899 What?
"The thing about experts is, theyre experts in fvck all" - Guy Ritchie
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The truth is, if production costs increase because people are paid more, especially lower paid, then prices will go up. Transport costs went up because of the lack of lorry drivers after Brexit, which contributed to inflation resulting in the interest rate hike resulting in people losing their homes.
If only there was an ideology that looked out for the interests of the Nation State and the average worker.. like Nationalism mixed with Socialism.. National-Socialism. Wonder if anyone’s ever put those together..
Note: At no point does he say say we need _uncontrolled_ immigration.
Well, thing is... you can't really separate one from the other. As a foreigner, if I hear that Brits hate foreigners, I won't go there controlled or not. There are other countries I can go to, if I want, where I'm not treated like I'm suspected of a crime 24/7. If the UK imposes conditions like don't bring family, why settle there? If they kick me out like a used napkin once they no longer need me (which is what Reform UK is proposing with its net zero migration), why go there? We saw UK media instigate hate against foreigners and the tabloids reflect the average person's views. So, if anything the people who still go there must have missed the memo: Brits don't want foreigners. They're full (when you say you're full, as Brits say, you're not saying full for some, but full for whoever) The guy yelling at you to go back where you came from, because he's bothered you're not speaking English, isn't drawing any distinction between illegal or legal immigrant, businessman or tourist, he doesn't care about nuance: he thinks all foreigners are illegals... he can't possibily know what you are, but he's still yelling at you. He hears a foreign language and he immediately becomes aggressive.
As we don't have uncontrolled immigration, what's your point?
@@nigelsynnott7344 so who's in control of dinghy arrivals? People smugglers! EU has protectionist barriers, so should we. Against cheap labour or we'll keep racing to the bottom.
@@tombartram7384 The Home Office is in control of dinghy arrivals. They process asylum claimants (much too slowly and inefficiently).
Don't forget, we've taken back control!
@@tombartram7384 The Home Office is in charge of dinghy arrivals. It processes asylum claimants.
Many have to pay their own care fees
If I understand the Brexiter/Tory position clearly then, they would both be happy for councils to raise their Rates in order to train and employ locals a nursing homes. All the anti immigration people would be happy to pay more in rates to employ locals at a living wage. After that the local pubs could maybe put up the price of a pint to do the same for bar staff. Does that sound about right to anybody ? Nah me neither.
a poorer country than england?? There are already English construction workers who go to Poland and Hungary to work because they earn more there, just a few more years and England will be the lowest earning country in Europe
Complete lie, what statistics are you going off of?
Its not just about getting staff. Its about more funding
and making sure care providers use the money for what its intended for. Sadly sometimes when providers get care funding that money is not used for what its intended for. Allocating more money to the NHS The attitude to spending on health care for the sick and elderly is seen as money wasted . Because these people spend more that they give or have given in terms of work contribution to build the economy or tax revenue to fund MPs expences. The care sector needs good people not any people. The way the public see carers isnt always helpful. If care is unskilled. Why do we need carers at all? Surely if was easy people could be cared for by their partners or other family members? We wouldnt need care homes for the same reason. More respect and better pay is the answer.
This stupidity pushed by people on nearly £90000.00after their £5000 pay rise. Perhaps they shpuld do the job dorry vication for 6 months eithno other income. Bet they change their tune. Utter hypocrisy.
But this is not really about immigration or overseas workers. This is about Tory Ayn Randian ideology which says that people should not get benefits and if there's work they should do that. Of course none of them have been in that position and don't know what it's like (Ayn Rand ended up on benefits incidentally). But they assume it's (always) the fault of the person involved and there's no reason why they shouldn't do the work. This is not how society works and does not make people happy. Of course, they don't care about others being happy, so they don't take any of that into account. There was a time when our NHS flourished with overseas workers, people came and picked fruit and worked in other sectors and were happy to do that. And we were happy for them to do that. And there you have it - the Tories just don't want you to be happy.
Rand incidentally was a bitter old russian woman. She wrote a pair of (very long) vapid novels that Americans like Paul Ryan used to force their interns to read. That explains a lot about Republican politics and, by extension, our right-wing, which doesn't actually have many of their own ideas.
Never in my life did i work for pleasure. And no one does that needs a decent wage to live. Especially in this country.
There are plenty of jobs,but a lot of those jobs like care work,cleaning and fruit and veg picking just don’t pay good wages.The Tories need to understand that you can be work poor in the UK, and even trying to get the Universal Credit top ups can take ages.Even working in a supermarket is no guarantee of a good wage for a long period of time.The Tories need to start listening to the experts instead of acting as though they have all the answers.
I enjoy what I do, most of the time, and am well-paid for it. Most teachers I’ve met enjoy their jobs, but are relatively badly paid.
My mother worked as a carer in disabled care homes as a teenager and in her early 20s, and really enjoyed it. It was probably much better paid relative to the cost of living back in the ‘60s, before Thatcher and the Tories suppressed wages, and privatised public services and utilities companies, thereby rapidly increasing the cost of living.
Expert recommendation: To get British citizens to work in the care sector you need to increase the wages in that sector.
Tory response: nah, we'll just force people off benefits so that they will have to take jobs in that sector for minimum wage.
Even the disabled.
Let's just make the disabled look after each other, they can take turns magically not being disabled so they can put a shift in. That'll work!
UK min wages rate from 1 April 2024 - not much more money in retail really. Both and all frontline dealing with humans jobs should pay more - if you have been there you will understand probably.
National Living Wage (21 and over) £11.44
18-20 Year Old Rate £8.60
16-17 Year Old Rate £6.40
Apprentice Rate £6.40
Sorry copy and pasted the above (now amended)☝- to highlight someone working for £12 an hour ain't rich no matter the job.
It's all well & good having the government dictate a minimum wage in principle. However, considering the amount is lower for younger workers is it any wonder why there are youngsters who refuse to work when they know they won't be paid the same as older workers & companies favour the younger workers when hiring because it's cheaper for the companies.
@@samanthahardy9903 100% - A pay scale based on your age is wrong.
You said Aldi pays 12 quid…. Minimum wage is 11.44
Aldi raised it's basic to £12.40 ph to attract more staff as basic minimum wasn't attracting or retaining staff 01/06/24 Nationwide and £13.65 within M25
@@SimonSmith-yd6tt my wife was caring for a 93 year old in 2018 earning 16.25 per hour… but the intensely of work is hard! She used to cry because of abuse after work.. hard work
@@G88RoM abusive sector to work in hope your wife is coping better now
Yes, a gazillion percent difference...
trouble is we listen to unevidanced opinions, and take no notice of the facts, because we want to believe emotionaly, its humanities achilese heel and gaurantees its destruction
Nope its not at all
Yawn. This false debate gets so boring. The bottom line is that the UK would not have enough native care workers if you tripled the salary because the pool of potential workers don't have the temperament or skills to work in the care industry. It's not always a question of money.
We already have mass imigration 2.4
million in the last two years . This would suggest only a few of these migrants want to do the job. Better pay is a better route to the problem. More people should look after their elderly parents. I have to look after my 86 year old mother , the state pays me nothing to do this .
You think this div will answer or any of his minion's?
People selling out their own families so they can live the life of Riley & expect foreigners to work for peanuts
Fair play to you looking after your parents
I do voluntary work with the elderly and /or disabled. Many of those do not have family to look after them, or those that may have neices or nephews who live and work abroad. So they can't look after them. So who do you suggest they turn to?
@@jeangenie5807 jokes on you stephenscaife on ly has 1 brain cell so no amount of logic you provide will help them
Expert on what
Scrap Trident! It's easy to raise the money.
Professor Brian bell is definitely no expert . Pardon the pun poor max.
Not all sectors are created equally. The care sector in England is likely one of the lowest paying in Europe. A successful RUclipsr can earn more than a doctor, though this isn't the case across all industries. There's no constitutional rule against shrinking an economy if the population declines. Immigrants age too, leading to a potential vicious cycle. Most Western countries need about 20 more years to stabilize. Immigration is a complex issue, adding pressure on social cohesion, housing, healthcare, and education, especially when resources are limited. Immigration is fine if controlled, but history shows that great powers like the Roman Empire fell after large influxes of outsiders.
No the roman empire fell because of corruption, multiple civil wars and failure of local governance. Large empires require vast resources to maintain, and people don't tolerate subjugation for so long.
This channel is TANKING & beautiful to see
Who told you that? Any evidence?
@@RichardBrook-kq8dm
Can just look at the view count, plus this mug is deleting comments.
Entire threads that I responded with as well
Did this lad buy his subscribers? His views and likes do not reflect his supposed subscribers. Strange accent too, like the annoying Scottish accent that Limmy does.
He's Irish. Are you the RUclips police?
Actual turnip
Hopefully Ireland listens to him then, with one of the worst care sectors in the northern hemisphere and sector driven by profit in the private sector I'm sure Ireland will be able to find lots of jobs for the illegal immigrants currently on camping holidays along the liffey
UNITED KINGDONISTAN does not need invading immigrants to destroy its ancient sub-saharian history, its afropunjab genetic heritage, or its Islamo-Hindu religion.
And where might you be from? Have you done a DNA test?
@@zam1007 I would guess he has no Celtic DNA.