That was such an unnecessarily cruel thing to say. It showed exactly what type of person he is. You could see that even Schwartz was like…wow you are trash…after the comment and was probably thinking he’s really gonna have to start distancing himself from this guy.
After everything he was mad at everyone else but he was the one that did horrible awful thing. I don't understand him being mad at everyone else and all these excuses he's a horrible person. Then he starts body shaming Ariana who he knows has struggled with body dysmorphia and had had her grandmother died her dog died and then this affair behind her back the whole time and he yelled at her the whole time, he blamed her for the affair. I've never seen anyone take less accountability and try to blame everyone else in my life and I think he thinks he's going to get away with it it's shocking to watch.
I wish Nick would stop saying they all cheat like this isn't different. He keeps bringing up Jax. I know Nick is just now watching, but for everyone else, that was 10 years ago when they were all in a different decade of life. The guys are in their 40s now. These aren't 20 something antics after the first blush of reality tv fame anymore.
@@seven92023 literally everything was deserved. He has not STFU & has continued lying about everything this entire time, when he could have just actually genuinely apologized and just disappeared like a normal human being would have. He chose to revel in the publicity & the attention he was getting instead of being ashamed, he deserved everything he got. You thinking that it was okay for him to FURTHER shame a woman that was his partner for 9 years, whom he KNOWS has body dysmorphia and that he KNOWS was the main reason for their intimacy issues and he shamed her repeatedly throughout the run of the show by publicly talking about their sex life, knowing that was a private & sensitive issue, and making it seem like she was just cold instead of acknowledging that she has BDD & going to counseling with her & listening to her needs, and actually *coming home and spending time with her, like she repeatedly asked him to*, but then, to add insult to injury, and attempt to shame her by making her feel bad for wearing a shirt during sex, because maybe she felt uncomfortable with her body that day? And why do you think that is? How hard do you think he actually tried to make her feel good about herself? Or was he coming home wasted at 3am every night and just wanting to fuck, like she said? And Ari repeatedly said she didn’t respond to that & struggled with that, but that’s all he ever wanted, and the only time she saw him anymore, because he was out all the time, wasted all the time. BDD is legit & she needed a partner that actually cared about her emotional well being, not someone that just wanted to have sex whenever he wanted to have sex. That comment just solidified he quit actually caring about her awhile ago. Vile.
Lisa in the extended version on Peackock kinda called him out on the fact that he was so defensive and angry. Lisa pretty much was like we need a genuine apology and show of remorse. He gave it to the cameras but only because Lisa told him to…
The reunion was just weeks after the discovery of the affair. Ariana was in the “angry” phase of grief, grief of losing two of the most important relationships, her life partner & her best friend. She has been on other shows, ABC, The View etc. and was more like the Ariana we love. I think most execs of future endeavors will understand.
The T-shirt comment was absolutely disgusting. There was a whole season where they discussed Ariana’s issues with her body. I was amazed at his anger - he is so incredibly pissed off at Ariana, that she wouldn’t just go along with his plan as he wanted her to. And I think it’s also really important to remember his comments about how when he & Ariana did have sex he felt like a 19 yo kid, he’d lost his mojo. He absolutely hates feeling insecure/belittled/less than. So he’s blaming her for his feeling insecure in bed, instead of having empathy for her insecurities, that she’s been open and vulnerable about, which is esp hard to do when in a sexual context. And Ariana has made it as clear as she possibly can how important emotional intimacy is for in relation to physical intimacy. And instead of Tom hearing her, he made it all about him.
Ariana’s new t-shirt with Katie is the ONLY response to Tom!! Her and Katie are capitalizing, and good for them!! All the ladies who leave their shirt on are cheering!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
To the person who called in saying her dad gave her a “ little bit of money “ towards the wedding, $6,000 IS NOT a little bit of money. That really pissed me off more than the reunion.
That woman was insufferable. Not understanding FAFSA and how it works might be why she was denied. She's a moron and had a solution already. She just wanted to talk for no reason.
Rachel was the easiest target for Sandoval, because she was the outcast the weakest link, and Sandoval knew that if he made her feel special, she was going to worship him
Idk how people don’t think the last 5 mins were big??? I wanted to vomit. Her saying she slept with Sandoval in Mexico multiple times after we saw the scene when he slaps her ass and throws her schwarts’ room key 🤢 and then Arianna calls him out for being weird af in that moment saying “Raquel Raquel Raquel” and him spinning the narrative the whole season that she’s “annoyed by everything I do” when he REALLY WAS OUTWARDLY BEING CREEPY AND DISGUSTING BECAUSE HE WAS CURRENTLY SLEEPING WITH RACHEL. ITS DISTURBING. And to me it seems like Rachel made out with schwarts and once he didn’t give her any more attention she switched up and ran to Sandoval because he was giving her attention - like she goes from “I want to walk down the aisle with schwarts”, makes out with him, goes and has sex with Sandoval, and then the next day says “I don’t want to walk down the aisle with schwarts anymore”. It’s DISTURBING
I don't think it's that anyone doesn't think the actions are big. And disgusting. It just wasn't a surprise. I think many of us already assumed it had happened there. Good observation on the walking down the aisle. I am sure Sandavol was feeling possessive at that point and didn't want anymore closeness with them. I've been wondering if there was a threesome in Mexico with the Toms and Rachel, but i don't think so. And yes! It's all disturbing. I just hope when Tom dumps her she doesn't come back as a sympathetic woman and they all forgive her.
I agree, I After hearing her say it started in Mexico, I went back and watched that episode. I was soo grossed out. Like Ariana was right there and looking fine, and they are acting all flirty and sickkkkkk
Rachel definitely knew she would be hooking up with Tom before she even left for the wedding. Scheana said on her podcast that Rachel was supposed to share a room with a friend, but told the friend last minute she couldn't share with her due to production issues which was a lie. She set it up so that she had a room alone where her and Sandoval could hook up. The "I just randomly heard him stumbling around drunk in the hallway and wasn't thinking we'd sleep together" story is a complete lie, which means she used Schwartz as a distraction/cover up from what was going on with her and Sandoval.
I hate to defend Raquel, but I thought she was actually being self-deprecating in regards to the comment abt Ally being an upgrade. She laughed & said something like, “At this point, he’s probably right.” Just my interpretation?
Rachel was used by a Scandoval because she was naïve emotionally immature with the pageant mentality. That’s all she’s ever known was how to be fake and that’s what pageants teach you say whatever you want to win that prize. I don’t think the girl knew how to be friends with anybody especially with females. Sandy balls cross the line when he started telling about his personal relationship with Ariana. He did it so she would feel sorry for him. I am your friend. I’m reaching out to you. I think you’re so special. I think you’re amazing. I wish Ariana was more like you. He’s sociopathic personality and care who he hurts but I think that all of this coming out has damaged Rachael Raquel whatever you wanna call her and I don’t condone what she did, but I do get it and she is now mentally and emotionally fragile but La La said it best. He’s using you just like he used Kristen just like he used Ariana now it’s you Raquel and it’ll be somebody else later.
That final 1 on 1 with Raquel wasnt anything shocking. If anything it just proved that Sandoval used the fact that Raquel is extremally gullible to his advantage and gaslit her just as much as he gaslit everyone else this season.
@@kandiramirez3548 LOL…ERRONEOUS. Sorry girl, but no. You don’t get it. Sure, gaslighting is A FORM of manipulation. But not all manipulation is gaslighting. It’s not that hard to research this, it would have taken you 2 seconds to not look dumb. The term comes from a play written by Patrick Hamilton (that was also turned into a movie) where a dude was trying to make his wife think she was going crazy & imagining things-things like when she noticed her gas lighting dimming, he acted like she was seeing sh*t that wasn’t real & the lighting hadn’t dimmed even tho he knew full well that he was the one who had been dimming the lighting. But by pretending he didn’t know what she was talking about, he caused her to question her reality & wonder if she was actually losing her mind. THAT is gaslighting. So Tom just manipulating Raquel bc she’s gullible or malleable or just downright dumb does NOT mean that he was gaslighting her. Congrats b*tch, you learned something today & now u won’t continue to use the word incorrectly, YOU’RE WELCOME.
I think Raquel admitting she had sex with Sandoval in his and Ariana’s home while Ariana was at her grandmas funeral was supposed to be the big reveal and it was shocking to hear those words come out of her mouth! Not worthy of not re-signing but this was a bomb! And when she starting cryin at the end she only starting crying when she was talking about their image, she wasn’t crying because she felt bad
@@Petunia1738 “men do this every day” I feel bad for you and the men you know! That just perpetuates toxic masculinity. You may not be wrong, but that doesn’t make it the right thing to do. It’s about time disgusting men like this be held accountable for their actions
1. The rest of the cast were NOT too harsh on Tom and Rachel because NOTHING seemed like it was getting through to them. I understand why anger escalated higher and higher and why the cast felt the need to keep yelling at them, because Rachel and Tom every time were justifying their behavior. It’s infuriating that they can’t seem to truly comprehend or admit that they are in the wrong and that what they did was beyond horrendous. 2. Rachel bringing up that they could be a throuple was definitely just a tactic to get Tom to be with her since Tom wasn’t breaking up with Ariana. She knew that if Tom suggested it, things would blow up or break between Ariana and Tom in some way. Ariana wouldn’t be down and it would cause problems. It would be very likely that Rachel would ultimately get to be with him.
Tom's tears were directed by Lisa. He did exactly what she coached him to do during the time when they were late coming back from break. Additionally, during James' Rachella proposal, Raquel's father told Scheana that they were just letting Raquel play house with James and the two would not ever be getting married. Ditto for the VPR show. He said that the moment it went bad, they'd yank Raquel out and take her home.
@@sarahcourtney9847 I think that might be happening. Lisa's new show, Vanderpump Villa has been greenlit by HULU for ten episodes. Lisa's handpicked staff (new, young) will live and work together. I guess she thinks she'll reproduce VPR, but that group of longtime friends were a once in a lifetime thing.
Her tears at the end were real, but **they were for herself**. She even said it - “we didn’t want anyone to know because It’s a really bad look…” not “because it’s horrible to do this to someone” or “I’m ashamed I did something so vile to my friend”. She’s upset because it further reveals herself. That was the source of her tears.
I think that there is some neurodivergence factor with RAQUEL. Women/Girls with autism do not present the same. I think that is some of her issues. Either that or she has been taking some kind of medicine that effected how she came across that day.
Agreed. As someone with ASD, I see some signs. She also commented about autism, saying she empathized or some kinda coded thing implying she also has ASD.
And in the extended version on Peacock, Lisa coaches Tom to go out and show some tears and remorse. The episode on Bravo doesn't show this. So his final act with fake tears was so insulting, knowing that he ONLY cried because business partner Lisa told him to do so. 💩
I tend to laugh when I’m nervous or really overwhelmed and some people read that as careless or rude but I’m just so anxious that I have no other way of letting it out other than to laugh. This isn’t an excuse but more of an explanation as to why Rachel does the bizarre smiling thing.
Agree. This last part of the reunion convinced me that raquel has some form of autism. she can't understand Lala's sarcasm when she says "I've been the mistress" etc. The vacancy in her eyes is clearly her being disconnected emotionally, and her inability to produce emotions at the appropriate time. I think she's selfish and did a horrible thing; I also think that she just cannot connect with the room and has no idea how to read the room or properly emote. If Raquel was JUST an idiot homewrecker, she, like Sandoval, would have at the VERY least produced some performative emotion or regret and she doesn't have the sense to do that. I think that's why she's so blank all the time. That said, autism and her social disconnections have no bearing on her understanding of right and wrong and what she did so there's no excuse.
I don’t think Tom said he loved Rachel because he was loyal, but because he didn’t want to make her angry at him cause he made her lie and coached her for the reunion.
for the wedding caller - that was such an unbelievably sweet letter from her father. so many parents in this situation woudl DEMAND or threaten and he is just being open and vulnerable and asking if he could please do it. whether or not our generation thinks its a stupid tradition its VERY important to our parents gen to be able to walk their daughters down the aisle. it is truly a moment in a father's life they remember forever - don't deny your real father that, especially when he is being so genuine and sweet in asking. he would be absolutely crushed in a way he will never forget and the reasoning to not let him do it is so petty. I really hope this caller lets her real dad do it. 🥺
Toms description of Rachel (being a fun time blah blah) is how he described Ariana while he was in the outs with Kristin. So gross. I think a girl half his age might be good for him and just turn into a Leonardo DiCaprio so they never grow to have any expectations of him.
Think producer was trying to distract from the fact that the reason cast won’t sign contracts is bc they refuse to film with T & R moving forward. Production obviously wants them to keep T & R for ratings.
Affairs are a fantasy life…..no bill paying, no cleaning house, no real life. And that’s why the majority of affairs do not result in long term relationships.
maybe it is Tom Sandoval that they think might not want to come back after Raquel told some of their secrets in the last 5 mins of the show? We all know this would not stop him from coming back though.
Wedding caller will always regret not walking down the aisle with her dad. Her mom and stepdad overstepped by requesting that stepdad walk her down the aisle. The whole tradition is based on honoring your dad, and your fiancé already stepped into the tradition of asking for your hand in marriage, your dad has been dreaming of this day your whole life, walking with him is honoring HIS role as your dad. Also, Nick is right about college. Your dad may have had an income that disallowed you financial aid, but he may have had a lot of debt and not have enough to share with you. Now he may have the money for your wedding because he is likely in a better financial position to help, now.
As a Jew that whole thing is weird (I shouldn't say weird I guess I just mean out of my comfort zone) to me because we walk down the aisle with both of our parents. Bride AND groom. It's just weird to me that people actually get so up in arms about the whole thing. Maybe I am being insensitive, but if brides with two dads can figure out how to honor both of them, so can she. It cannot be this serious. It's her wedding, who does she feel most comfortable having walk her down the aisle? That's what matters. I would go to my mom and stepdad and tell them straight up "I appreciate everything you have done for me, and I love you both. For my own sake, I need to make it clear to you if you make any more requests or demands of my wedding and try to make my day any more about you, you won't be participating in my wedding other than in a guest capacity. It's my day, it's about my marriage, and anyone who cannot get behind that doesn't need to have a major role." Set a boundary and then make the choice that is best for yourself. People who really love you will put aside their own petty BS and do whatever they can to make you feel loved and heard Especially for your wedding. These parents are grown adults and they need to start acting like it and this adult child is a grown adult as well and needs to start demanding to be treated like one.
Throughout the entire show, Tom has only bonded through negivity. There was a trauma bond element in all of his relationships that we saw. I believe that the producer thought that there was a possibility that Tom Sandoval may not return. Not only did the narrative he was trying to push get ignored, but the lies he compounded are now exposed. Maybe finally, reality was set in that there's no comeback for him.
I think what James is having a hard time with, is essentially Ariana, Tom and Scheana dropped him and supported Rachel after she broke it off with him. He may be bitter about them rallying around her and not him. Now that anger is coming out.
Does anyone remember when Rachel and James had a discussion outside the bathroom earlier in the season. She wanted to ask him about moving on so fast. I think it was Lisa asked her if she still loved James and she said yes while crying. That just slipped on by. She doesn’t know who she loves. She loves whoever will pay attention to her.
The ending was shocking not because of the details revealed but because she turned on Tom - I theorize that something happened between them in that week following the reunion and her final interview that influenced her decision to come clean
Re the dog situation you mentioned- it actually IS that easy to find a rescue with hypoallergenic dogs. The fact that Pete didn’t do his research first before buying from a breeder is the issue. I have a dog I rescued that’s considered hypoallergenic and it wasn’t hard at all to find her and give her a better life.
T&R think they’re in love. When you truly love someone, you don’t turn them into a liar and dishonest person. You don’t put them in situations where they lose good friends and hurt people around them. They are in a toxic, poisonous love bubble. And when the toxic smoke clears, they’re “love” won’t be able to fix the damage and devastation around and inside of them.
Sadly I think the tears at the end for Rachel were the fact she is finally telling the truth and that because of that she’ll prob lose Tom, I don’t think she regrets any of it and would gladly be in a relationship with Tom if he would be willing.
I think Nick feels the way I do about this (along with countless other people) Obviously the high drama is hard to look away from but personally I'm fascinated with how men become Toms and girls become Raquels. I need a deep dive on their childhoods, family dynamics, the timeline of them each leaving their family homes to what happened next and then all the way to the show. Because as a mom of twin little boys I can't help but want to make the opposite choices every step of the way. And I don't think Rachel was being vulnerable when she responded to the mental evaluation- she is deeply troubled and very dumb. On a level I've never encountered in real life or documented on screen. I thought Teresa from NJ housewives held that role but Rachel said hold my lightning bolt. I think she is either far down the spectrum or some other cognitive disorder, has no connection to reality because if she did she would've known how embarrassing her entire personality and behavior is. She was a fan of the show and saw these people as characters on her tv who she idolized and I'd bet anything Tom saw how mentally unstable/blank Rachel was and once he decided to have a thing with her he was able to easily convince her using his influence (perceived by himself and Rachel), his flashy choices/personality, knowing she's a super fan he probably spoke to her in VPR historical terms constantly justifying their actions by other people's poor behavior in the past, and I'd bet lots of money that Rachel at any given time maybe 12 thoughts/opinions placed there either intentionally or subliminally by Tom or whoever else is influencing her at that time. Which is also why she can never elaborate or exhibit critical thinking skills and then behaves like a busted Chuck E Cheese animatronic sparking and making everyone feel embarrassed for her. I hate how much this sucked me in. I'll go 😂😅
There are no good characters on this show. They are all more or less everything that is bad with people these days. Even worse is the fact that they behave likes this on TV for money and fame.
I used to be like Raquel. Mom was stunning with no confidence...was further picked on because mean people saw that. Dad made inappropriate, sexual comments about women from a child in front of me. So, I never saw a confident mom or a dad that modeled love or seeing woman as more than objects. Raquel might be self aware deep down and just so lost on the inside she doesn't trust anyone to help fix it and the default is just familiar. Also trauma trumps intelligence. I have a MA, 4.0 and acted very stupid.
@@katg9608 kudos to you for sharing your side of it as to how you used to be. Proof that people can change, and admitting it is a huge step, understanding where you developed certain behaviors is another huge step.!
Everything that came out of Raquel’s mouth, the misunderstanding about Lala’s mistress comments, the “I’m a people person who decided to please myself”, “James and Lala can’t talk” it’s all Sandoval in her ear. Look at the backstage scene. Raquel was feeling remorse and feeling bad - and Sandoval says “yeah, that sucks” and then immediately turns it around to how bad they are, he goes into “4th wall” talk…about the common enemy etc. He’s been completely gassing her up this entire time about her role in the show, since the Swartz/Raquel drama started catching on with in the bravo sphere and getting new attn for a show that was on the cusp of being cancelled. “Dude, this is what the viewers want, ur the new sympathetic villainess, ur young, attractive, like just trying to figure urself out babe, like that’s the energy that launched the show dude, there’s ppl who hate Katie, you’ve got Scheana on ur side blah, blah”. I mean his trailer comment of “Scheana is just trying to get back in with the group & be friends with Katie now that ur not friends”. He’s honestly living in a twisted past reality show and he doesn’t even realize that Scheana and Lala were close bcuz of the kids, that it was only Katie she was having issues with. It’s literally all a game to him.
The wedding caller- I like the idea of walking halfway and dad join you. It celebrates your independence and strong will. Your mom & stepdad can walk as a couple in front of you. Its giving your stepdad some recognition.
In my opinion the T shirt comment was to manage Raquel and her noticing the disconnect between what Tom told her and what Ariana was saying “ about your guy’s intimacy” so Tom had to minimise that time between him and Ariana in front of Raquel and it backfired by looking like a dig at Ariana. Hence why he threw his toys out the pram about speaking to her off camera.
Well the only part they forgot to mention was that there is 25% of purebreds in shelters so he could have easily found a hypoallergenic one. They just said where he has a huge following it could have been a chance to promote a good story of him adopting a dog. But I understand Pete’s point as well. Nothing worse than losing a pet 😭
I strongly believe almost EVERYTHING she said was told to her by Tom. The Way the ultimate tantrum happened after she called him out about sleeping with Ariana you know he had to set her straight because he was not going to let her ruin him from “WINNING”. yes winning. That’s all that matters. Remember “you never apologize”. He’s all about wining the fight so people get back on his side.
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to this podcast. It was really informative and each member of Nick’s team equally provided great context throughout. Well done 👏
Please put time stamps in! This podcast jumps around and covers many different topics/themes. It would be very helpful if we can see timestamps! Thanks
The “shocker” was the way it played out. Many of the things Tom said last night, disputed what she said. Tom was very adamant about his claims on ‘ “only one time” . She betrayed him at the end. Thats the shocker. BUT I think her confessing is strategic. I think truth will come out that they are the reason she broke her engagement to James. This is just to divert.
I automatically smile often when sad or mad, and never understood why until I started going to therapy. I grew up not feeling okay to feel sad or mad, so sometimes as an adult if I’m not comfortable with who I’m around I still smile when mad/ sad automatically. Maybe it’s the same for Rachel especially growing up doing pageants…
It was obvious to me from Halloween last year. I thought there is something up with them. Who does that? Think about it, if your guy wanted to dress up as one of your best friends. I even thought Lisa Rinna was infatuated with Erika when she dressed up as her. It's BIZARRE
Does anyone else think it’s nuts that no one in Raquel’s family has spoken out on her behalf?? Where are they? Even a PR rep…*anyone* to just speak up and provide some kind of explanation or update…
Saw this video randomly. Loved the nostalgia of seeing Ali, Amanda and Nick together. Such great dialogue. Love Nick with them. He’s so much sharper, so articulate, more focused in on the show than he is today. The new household is just a bunch of chaotic chatter, sorry.
I definitely agree with Nick about Rachel. She was manipulated but the back room thing was crazy that the only thing she cared about was Allie like girl what.
I’m sure she cared about more but they only showed a small snippet and she basically was agreeing at that point that Allie was an upgrade so she was putting herself down. She lacks self worth and it’s actually pretty sad. Hope she finds healing.
Well I mean she was just making a comment because there was a lot that went on in that reunion. It was kind of the funniest thing that was said to her.
Really, not the cheese grater comment? It all was a lot, but hopefully she got it out and feels better, most people probably would have an opportunity to just go off on someone who hurt them so much
I don't think any of it was too harsh. Considering Ariana hadn't talked to Rachel since the day she found out three weeks prior, I was actually surprised Ariana didn't go further with her comments. I thought Ariana handled herself extremely well.
So here's a thought - what if.... SANDOVAL told Raquel to do the "end of reunion confession" to salvage her reputation? I mean I think it goes back way further than she even "confessed". I think they had a connection or even slept together before the engagement with James, so this is NOT a tell-all confession in my opinion. Just a thought...
James was everything not gunna lie, he killed me at the reunion but not saying there’s things he’s done that aren’t bad, but I mean if I had a camera in my party days omg.
The way Raquel and Tom were chatting and laughing at the end was really messed up. Zero self-awareness, zero integrity. Do they think it's a game? This was really weird to watch.
June 10, 2021 my sister was in a fatal car accident . Her friend from the tavern was also in the accident. He survived ,she was hospitalized with brain dead medical terms. They were struck in front of a car, crossing the street. When you work 20 years for the County, meet these drunks in a tavern , this is the result. Her mom worked 15 years in an office and told her brother, my daughter works for the County, office work. When you are called to the Intensive Care Unit at the Hospital, they already know who is behind a hit man! Because you cannot work , family ask for franchise rentals. That is a brother with his wife, daughter & son! That is recorded on the computer! Than what is it lazy ? There was factory work, 5AM shifts, or office work, and other kinds of WORK!
Girl, have both dads walk you down the aisle! I'm a wedding photographer and I have worked multiple weddings where the bride had both dads walk her down the aisle. I've also worked weddings that they had their mom and dad, or just their mom. It's your wedding you can do whatever YOU want!
That story of finding him outside her room is a lie. She moved her room away from James they were supposed to share a Patio pool and she also said production wouldn’t let her share her room. The girl sharing her room had to move rooms. They had it planned.
Maybe I’m ignorant on the topic but I never understood why it’s bad to buy from a breeder?? The dog in the shelter and the dog at the breeder are both alive and both worthy of loving homes. Just bc someone adopts that doesn’t mean all the dogs at the breeder don’t need homes too.
As for Pete & Peta, some dogs that are “bought” will end up in adoption agencies if they aren’t purchased/homed. It’s what was going to happen to my dog. I wanted to rescue him, but after finding my current dog in an online ad and showing up to see how he and his litter were treated, I KNEW I was rescuing them. They were in a barn at the back of the yard, living in their own feces and filth. My dog was “purchased” for an insanely low amount because the litter was about to get taken to a shelter. He was also born with a bad knee and hip so I will be investing in surgery for him. My dog was chosen by me because he was hiding in fear at the back of the barn. It spoke to me as I knew something deeper was going on. Pete needs a hypoallergenic dog for his allergy, and it likely needs to be a purebred - my MIL is the same. Peta (or anyone for that right) shouldn't judge people or try to defame them over caring for a dog and a parent. It’s amazing that he got another dog in general-so many end up on the streets whether they came from breeders or not. So I’d also like to give peta a big “f u” 👍
Same thing happened with my pup! He was born with a defect and no one wanted to purchase him. I ended up taking him home and was able to pay for the surgery he needed. He’s a happy healthy boy now but I often think about where he would’ve ended up had I not taken him home 😢
For the caller, i would ask myself personally - might sound bleak, but if my dad wasnt alive to walk me down the aisle would i be sad in that moment? I'm not married, and my dad didnt walk my sister down the aisle because she was married at a court house 3 states away. My dad would've been over the moon if he had the oppertunity to walk me down the aisle. It's a prideful walk for fathers.
In my opinion, a human being AT ANY AGE, is capable of changing for the better if they do the tough work. I don’t think we can write people off just because they are 40, 50, 60 or 70… just my humble opinion.
Tom took Rachel home or flew her out to his hometown on the 12/29 - there was photo that proved they lied about her being with him at his moms, that’s when she met his family.
Saying Raquel said she loves Sandoval as tho it was nothing/no reaction, is absolutely not true. It was actually the FIRST time she had an emotional rxn to any of this. She almost started crying. It was actually pretty significant to me.
I think it’s scandoval is the one Alex baskin was talking about when he said people might not want to come back cause Rachel at the end obviously admits that they were lying about timelines n how many times it happened
Everyone has had sex with a t-shirt on. He just threw that out there cause Rachel didn't know he had sex with Ariana. He told her she was the only one he was doing.😮😊
The assessment that Raquel is some damsel that was manipulated into continuing the affair, -sleeping with her best friend bf in their home as she is at a funeral, -talk to Ariana about their sex life, and cried with her… is beyond ridiculous. The assessment is 100% wrong.
For the caller regarding her dads, if the sentiment on why they walk you down the aisle isn’t there then don’t do it just because it’s tradition. These days it can be anyone. For me it was a very emotional thing. I am the only daughter, the sentiment is my father who was the first man to love and protect me giving me away to the new man who will love and protect me for the rest of my life. It is also something you do in respect to your father, it’s for him, his last major gesture as you move on. If they both walk you down, have your step dad walk you up to where your mom is sitting, then have your dad actually hand you off to your husband.
Her bullshit tears at the end were self pity .. she was telling all to rub it in ariannas face .. and her bullshit backstage saying that what James said his new girl was an upgrade .. and THATS WHAT GOT HER.because she wants every guy in the group to want her and not get over her .. she is so in love WITH HERSELF
Tom is loving all of this, from what we've seen since they filmed the reunion. And don't forget that they are still communicating! I'm sure she confessed to him because she Knew that her interview was going to air on TV and link. She said tom was the one last person she had so i'm sure she let him know And he forgave her plus she didn't really tell anything we haven't already heard about. But at the time she filmed Her last 1 on 1 it was breaking news. But we have found all of that out sense so I totally believe that they already talked about that because they're still communicating as of days ago. With that picture of him on the plane.
But in one of the extended episodes it was revealed that Tom & Raquel had code names in their phones for each other. IMO: Tom planned that phone call being on camera to spike the interest again. Why would he have her full name displayed on the phone and not attempt to conceal the call⁉️
The t-shirt comment was a jab because Ariana deals with body dysmorphia. This is why the entire cast gasped and called him disgusting.
That was such an unnecessarily cruel thing to say. It showed exactly what type of person he is. You could see that even Schwartz was like…wow you are trash…after the comment and was probably thinking he’s really gonna have to start distancing himself from this guy.
Even Schwartz couldn’t stomach that one. And who does Scumdoval apologize to? SCHWARTZ! Not Ariana. What horrible people those two are.
I thought he was alluding to her as a bad lover, which really would be low cutting blow from him, as he knows her intimacy issues. He’s. Just a dick
After everything he was mad at everyone else but he was the one that did horrible awful thing. I don't understand him being mad at everyone else and all these excuses he's a horrible person. Then he starts body shaming Ariana who he knows has struggled with body dysmorphia and had had her grandmother died her dog died and then this affair behind her back the whole time and he yelled at her the whole time, he blamed her for the affair. I've never seen anyone take less accountability and try to blame everyone else in my life and I think he thinks he's going to get away with it it's shocking to watch.
@@JennaCalifornia Schwartz did Jax and Brittany's podcast and said he's "taking a break"
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Thank u!
😂 came to the comments immediately for this. Ty!!
lmao thank youuu
OMG THANK YOU! I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT PEETA
Good looking out!! Thank you ❤
I wish Nick would stop saying they all cheat like this isn't different. He keeps bringing up Jax. I know Nick is just now watching, but for everyone else, that was 10 years ago when they were all in a different decade of life. The guys are in their 40s now. These aren't 20 something antics after the first blush of reality tv fame anymore.
It is for Raquel though
@@tarabarelathe girl is pushing 30 bffr
None of these people really change though. At least not for the better.
And to be for real and simply factual, Ariana lost him how she got him.
it's not different
Tom’s T-shirt comment was the reveal that showed his tears were fake. WHO does that to someone they claim they still love?
That was a good comeback line actually. He took a lot of punches from Lala, James and Ariana. Their behavior was immature, despicable and inexcusable.
@@seven92023 why beat Ariana - his woman of 10 years
Like that?? He was the one who fucked up!!!
@@seven92023 literally everything was deserved. He has not STFU & has continued lying about everything this entire time, when he could have just actually genuinely apologized and just disappeared like a normal human being would have. He chose to revel in the publicity & the attention he was getting instead of being ashamed, he deserved everything he got.
You thinking that it was okay for him to FURTHER shame a woman that was his partner for 9 years, whom he KNOWS has body dysmorphia and that he KNOWS was the main reason for their intimacy issues and he shamed her repeatedly throughout the run of the show by publicly talking about their sex life, knowing that was a private & sensitive issue, and making it seem like she was just cold instead of acknowledging that she has BDD & going to counseling with her & listening to her needs, and actually *coming home and spending time with her, like she repeatedly asked him to*, but then, to add insult to injury, and attempt to shame her by making her feel bad for wearing a shirt during sex, because maybe she felt uncomfortable with her body that day? And why do you think that is? How hard do you think he actually tried to make her feel good about herself? Or was he coming home wasted at 3am every night and just wanting to fuck, like she said? And Ari repeatedly said she didn’t respond to that & struggled with that, but that’s all he ever wanted, and the only time she saw him anymore, because he was out all the time, wasted all the time. BDD is legit & she needed a partner that actually cared about her emotional well being, not someone that just wanted to have sex whenever he wanted to have sex. That comment just solidified he quit actually caring about her awhile ago. Vile.
@@seven92023he deserved it all
It goes back to his argument that they never had sex or "good sex" in his mind. Both should have ended it years ago.
Lisa in the extended version on Peackock kinda called him out on the fact that he was so defensive and angry. Lisa pretty much was like we need a genuine apology and show of remorse. He gave it to the cameras but only because Lisa told him to…
The reunion was just weeks after the discovery of the affair. Ariana was in the “angry” phase of grief, grief of losing two of the most important relationships, her life partner & her best friend. She has been on other shows, ABC, The View etc. and was more like the Ariana we love. I think most execs of future endeavors will understand.
The T-shirt comment was absolutely disgusting. There was a whole season where they discussed Ariana’s issues with her body. I was amazed at his anger - he is so incredibly pissed off at Ariana, that she wouldn’t just go along with his plan as he wanted her to. And I think it’s also really important to remember his comments about how when he & Ariana did have sex he felt like a 19 yo kid, he’d lost his mojo. He absolutely hates feeling insecure/belittled/less than. So he’s blaming her for his feeling insecure in bed, instead of having empathy for her insecurities, that she’s been open and vulnerable about, which is esp hard to do when in a sexual context. And Ariana has made it as clear as she possibly can how important emotional intimacy is for in relation to physical intimacy. And instead of Tom hearing her, he made it all about him.
This is the exact definition of a narcissist 😊.
@@auriaya1662 tg
Tom never matured past 13 yrs old.
Ariana’s new t-shirt with Katie is the ONLY response to Tom!! Her and Katie are capitalizing, and good for them!! All the ladies who leave their shirt on are cheering!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
To the person who called in saying her dad gave her a “ little bit of money “ towards the wedding, $6,000 IS NOT a little bit of money. That really pissed me off more than the reunion.
Thank you!!!! Like girl I didn’t even get a damn penny!
That woman was insufferable. Not understanding FAFSA and how it works might be why she was denied. She's a moron and had a solution already. She just wanted to talk for no reason.
Tom’s family also NEVER reached out to Ariana!! That’s crazy to me.
I became best friends with my brothers ex. We were, and still are, like sisters. And I have to say, he feels, she’s the one that got away.
Rachel was the easiest target for Sandoval, because she was the outcast the weakest link, and Sandoval knew that if he made her feel special, she was going to worship him
@Samsara like he loves Ariana?
He was shaking his head no while saying yes. Don’t believe him.
Omg yes ! Perfect breakdown
Rachel had both Sheana and Ariana in her corner. You can say he exploited her issues without pretending she had 2 popular women riding for her.
Spot on
Idk how people don’t think the last 5 mins were big??? I wanted to vomit. Her saying she slept with Sandoval in Mexico multiple times after we saw the scene when he slaps her ass and throws her schwarts’ room key 🤢 and then Arianna calls him out for being weird af in that moment saying “Raquel Raquel Raquel” and him spinning the narrative the whole season that she’s “annoyed by everything I do” when he REALLY WAS OUTWARDLY BEING CREEPY AND DISGUSTING BECAUSE HE WAS CURRENTLY SLEEPING WITH RACHEL. ITS DISTURBING. And to me it seems like Rachel made out with schwarts and once he didn’t give her any more attention she switched up and ran to Sandoval because he was giving her attention - like she goes from “I want to walk down the aisle with schwarts”, makes out with him, goes and has sex with Sandoval, and then the next day says “I don’t want to walk down the aisle with schwarts anymore”. It’s DISTURBING
I don't think it's that anyone doesn't think the actions are big. And disgusting. It just wasn't a surprise. I think many of us already assumed it had happened there.
Good observation on the walking down the aisle. I am sure Sandavol was feeling possessive at that point and didn't want anymore closeness with them. I've been wondering if there was a threesome in Mexico with the Toms and Rachel, but i don't think so.
And yes! It's all disturbing. I just hope when Tom dumps her she doesn't come back as a sympathetic woman and they all forgive her.
I totally agree! Watching her talking about it was shocking to me
I agree, I After hearing her say it started in Mexico, I went back and watched that episode. I was soo grossed out. Like Ariana was right there and looking fine, and they are acting all flirty and sickkkkkk
Rachel definitely knew she would be hooking up with Tom before she even left for the wedding. Scheana said on her podcast that Rachel was supposed to share a room with a friend, but told the friend last minute she couldn't share with her due to production issues which was a lie. She set it up so that she had a room alone where her and Sandoval could hook up. The "I just randomly heard him stumbling around drunk in the hallway and wasn't thinking we'd sleep together" story is a complete lie, which means she used Schwartz as a distraction/cover up from what was going on with her and Sandoval.
I hate to defend Raquel, but I thought she was actually being self-deprecating in regards to the comment abt Ally being an upgrade. She laughed & said something like, “At this point, he’s probably right.” Just my interpretation?
Thought the exact same thing
What’s sick is the way Tom laughed with her. The real villain in all this is Tom.
Rachel was used by a Scandoval because she was naïve emotionally immature with the pageant mentality. That’s all she’s ever known was how to be fake and that’s what pageants teach you say whatever you want to win that prize. I don’t think the girl knew how to be friends with anybody especially with females. Sandy balls cross the line when he started telling about his personal relationship with Ariana. He did it so she would feel sorry for him. I am your friend. I’m reaching out to you. I think you’re so special. I think you’re amazing. I wish Ariana was more like you. He’s sociopathic personality and care who he hurts but I think that all of this coming out has damaged Rachael Raquel whatever you wanna call her and I don’t condone what she did, but I do get it and she is now mentally and emotionally fragile but La La said it best. He’s using you just like he used Kristen just like he used Ariana now it’s you Raquel and it’ll be somebody else later.
Agreed.
She has to develop a true sense of self before she can be self-depricating.
That final 1 on 1 with Raquel wasnt anything shocking. If anything it just proved that Sandoval used the fact that Raquel is extremally gullible to his advantage and gaslit her just as much as he gaslit everyone else this season.
Tom lied to everyone and still is.
@@aimeek1540 oh completely. He has no remorse. He's a manipulator and will always be a manipulator
He didn’t “gaslight” Raquel. That word is way too overused. He manipulated her. That’s not the same thing as being gaslit.
@jennbizzle007…actually that’s exactly what gaslighting is…manipulation.
@@kandiramirez3548 LOL…ERRONEOUS. Sorry girl, but no. You don’t get it. Sure, gaslighting is A FORM of manipulation. But not all manipulation is gaslighting. It’s not that hard to research this, it would have taken you 2 seconds to not look dumb. The term comes from a play written by Patrick Hamilton (that was also turned into a movie) where a dude was trying to make his wife think she was going crazy & imagining things-things like when she noticed her gas lighting dimming, he acted like she was seeing sh*t that wasn’t real & the lighting hadn’t dimmed even tho he knew full well that he was the one who had been dimming the lighting. But by pretending he didn’t know what she was talking about, he caused her to question her reality & wonder if she was actually losing her mind. THAT is gaslighting. So Tom just manipulating Raquel bc she’s gullible or malleable or just downright dumb does NOT mean that he was gaslighting her. Congrats b*tch, you learned something today & now u won’t continue to use the word incorrectly, YOU’RE WELCOME.
I think Raquel admitting she had sex with Sandoval in his and Ariana’s home while Ariana was at her grandmas funeral was supposed to be the big reveal and it was shocking to hear those words come out of her mouth! Not worthy of not re-signing but this was a bomb! And when she starting cryin at the end she only starting crying when she was talking about their image, she wasn’t crying because she felt bad
I think the big reveal was that she spoke up at all blowing up every word Sandoval said during the entire reunion.
None of it is shocking lmao. Men do this every day.
@@Petunia1738 “men do this every day” I feel bad for you and the men you know! That just perpetuates toxic masculinity. You may not be wrong, but that doesn’t make it the right thing to do. It’s about time disgusting men like this be held accountable for their actions
1. The rest of the cast were NOT too harsh on Tom and Rachel because NOTHING seemed like it was getting through to them. I understand why anger escalated higher and higher and why the cast felt the need to keep yelling at them, because Rachel and Tom every time were justifying their behavior. It’s infuriating that they can’t seem to truly comprehend or admit that they are in the wrong and that what they did was beyond horrendous.
2. Rachel bringing up that they could be a throuple was definitely just a tactic to get Tom to be with her since Tom wasn’t breaking up with Ariana. She knew that if Tom suggested it, things would blow up or break between Ariana and Tom in some way. Ariana wouldn’t be down and it would cause problems. It would be very likely that Rachel would ultimately get to be with him.
And!!!! They lied all the way thru the reunion!!!! They're A holes!
Nick, it would be great if you had a camera on the video screen so the viewers could actually see what you guys are seeing and discussing
or just pop it up in the video edit
Tom's tears were directed by Lisa. He did exactly what she coached him to do during the time when they were late coming back from break. Additionally, during James' Rachella proposal, Raquel's father told Scheana that they were just letting Raquel play house with James and the two would not ever be getting married. Ditto for the VPR show. He said that the moment it went bad, they'd yank Raquel out and take her home.
Lisa is the worst she needs to be gone. She brings nothing to the show anymore since no one works at sur anymore
@@sarahcourtney9847 I think that might be happening. Lisa's new show, Vanderpump Villa has been greenlit by HULU for ten episodes. Lisa's handpicked staff (new, young) will live and work together. I guess she thinks she'll reproduce VPR, but that group of longtime friends were a once in a lifetime thing.
Her tears at the end were real, but **they were for herself**. She even said it - “we didn’t want anyone to know because It’s a really bad look…” not “because it’s horrible to do this to someone” or “I’m ashamed I did something so vile to my friend”. She’s upset because it further reveals herself. That was the source of her tears.
I think that there is some neurodivergence factor with RAQUEL. Women/Girls with autism do not present the same. I think that is some of her issues. Either that or she has been taking some kind of medicine that effected how she came across that day.
Agreed. As someone with ASD, I see some signs. She also commented about autism, saying she empathized or some kinda coded thing implying she also has ASD.
@@Naejakire3 yep, I said the same.
Yes this would really explain a lot
And in the extended version on Peacock, Lisa coaches Tom to go out and show some tears and remorse. The episode on Bravo doesn't show this. So his final act with fake tears was so insulting, knowing that he ONLY cried because business partner Lisa told him to do so. 💩
Raquel being called the "emotional equivalent of a blow job" on this show is so damn accurate 🤣
I tend to laugh when I’m nervous or really overwhelmed and some people read that as careless or rude but I’m just so anxious that I have no other way of letting it out other than to laugh. This isn’t an excuse but more of an explanation as to why Rachel does the bizarre smiling thing.
Yes this! Exactly
Yes exactly
I do that sometimes too!
Me too- nervous laughter is the worst
Agree. This last part of the reunion convinced me that raquel has some form of autism. she can't understand Lala's sarcasm when she says "I've been the mistress" etc. The vacancy in her eyes is clearly her being disconnected emotionally, and her inability to produce emotions at the appropriate time. I think she's selfish and did a horrible thing; I also think that she just cannot connect with the room and has no idea how to read the room or properly emote. If Raquel was JUST an idiot homewrecker, she, like Sandoval, would have at the VERY least produced some performative emotion or regret and she doesn't have the sense to do that. I think that's why she's so blank all the time. That said, autism and her social disconnections have no bearing on her understanding of right and wrong and what she did so there's no excuse.
I don’t think Tom said he loved Rachel because he was loyal, but because he didn’t want to make her angry at him cause he made her lie and coached her for the reunion.
for the wedding caller - that was such an unbelievably sweet letter from her father. so many parents in this situation woudl DEMAND or threaten and he is just being open and vulnerable and asking if he could please do it. whether or not our generation thinks its a stupid tradition its VERY important to our parents gen to be able to walk their daughters down the aisle. it is truly a moment in a father's life they remember forever - don't deny your real father that, especially when he is being so genuine and sweet in asking. he would be absolutely crushed in a way he will never forget and the reasoning to not let him do it is so petty. I really hope this caller lets her real dad do it. 🥺
I completely 100% agree. The step dad really sounds like a manipulative jerk!
I agree it made me tear up my dad just passed and I will always cherish having him walk me down my aisle
30 minutes exactly. Best insight into Raquel Rachel on the internet!
Toms description of Rachel (being a fun time blah blah) is how he described Ariana while he was in the outs with Kristin. So gross. I think a girl half his age might be good for him and just turn into a Leonardo DiCaprio so they never grow to have any expectations of him.
The manipulation of so many people to cheat by one man. Lala's correct, he's dangerous. (in my opinion)
I think you would see James responses more justified after watching the later seasons of him and Raquel to see why he is so hurt
Think producer was trying to distract from the fact that the reason cast won’t sign contracts is bc they refuse to film with T & R moving forward. Production obviously wants them to keep T & R for ratings.
I think you are probably exactly right.
Affairs are a fantasy life…..no bill paying, no cleaning house, no real life. And that’s why the majority of affairs do not result in long term relationships.
maybe it is Tom Sandoval that they think might not want to come back after Raquel told some of their secrets in the last 5 mins of the show? We all know this would not stop him from coming back though.
Exactly what i thought
He might feel “betrayed” by her
I think this too. AND Tom Schwartz might not want to after realizing he’s always lied to as well and the cover up guy
Wedding caller will always regret not walking down the aisle with her dad. Her mom and stepdad overstepped by requesting that stepdad walk her down the aisle. The whole tradition is based on honoring your dad, and your fiancé already stepped into the tradition of asking for your hand in marriage, your dad has been dreaming of this day your whole life, walking with him is honoring HIS role as your dad.
Also, Nick is right about college. Your dad may have had an income that disallowed you financial aid, but he may have had a lot of debt and not have enough to share with you. Now he may have the money for your wedding because he is likely in a better financial position to help, now.
As a Jew that whole thing is weird (I shouldn't say weird I guess I just mean out of my comfort zone) to me because we walk down the aisle with both of our parents. Bride AND groom. It's just weird to me that people actually get so up in arms about the whole thing. Maybe I am being insensitive, but if brides with two dads can figure out how to honor both of them, so can she. It cannot be this serious. It's her wedding, who does she feel most comfortable having walk her down the aisle? That's what matters. I would go to my mom and stepdad and tell them straight up "I appreciate everything you have done for me, and I love you both. For my own sake, I need to make it clear to you if you make any more requests or demands of my wedding and try to make my day any more about you, you won't be participating in my wedding other than in a guest capacity. It's my day, it's about my marriage, and anyone who cannot get behind that doesn't need to have a major role." Set a boundary and then make the choice that is best for yourself. People who really love you will put aside their own petty BS and do whatever they can to make you feel loved and heard Especially for your wedding. These parents are grown adults and they need to start acting like it and this adult child is a grown adult as well and needs to start demanding to be treated like one.
Throughout the entire show, Tom has only bonded through negivity. There was a trauma bond element in all of his relationships that we saw. I believe that the producer thought that there was a possibility that Tom Sandoval may not return. Not only did the narrative he was trying to push get ignored, but the lies he compounded are now exposed. Maybe finally, reality was set in that there's no comeback for him.
I’m wildly impressed with how the Viall Files team dealt with the caller about her wedding. That was amazing
I think what James is having a hard time with, is essentially Ariana, Tom and Scheana dropped him and supported Rachel after she broke it off with him. He may be bitter about them rallying around her and not him. Now that anger is coming out.
I disagree. He’s not THAT close to all of them. He was closest to Raquel. He’s clearly not over her
Does anyone remember when Rachel and James had a discussion outside the bathroom earlier in the season. She wanted to ask him about moving on so fast. I think it was Lisa asked her if she still loved James and she said yes while crying. That just slipped on by. She doesn’t know who she loves. She loves whoever will pay attention to her.
The ending was shocking not because of the details revealed but because she turned on Tom - I theorize that something happened between them in that week following the reunion and her final interview that influenced her decision to come clean
Did anyone clock that after Sandvoal made the t-shirt comment and everyone reacted, he apologized to Schwartz? That dynamic is insufferable.
@Hd Pd. Yes, I did notice that and it was so perverse that it gave me goosebumps!😢
She kissed Tom Schwartz’s and the same day had physical thing with Sandoval? Sounds like love for sure 😆😆
Re the dog situation you mentioned- it actually IS that easy to find a rescue with hypoallergenic dogs. The fact that Pete didn’t do his research first before buying from a breeder is the issue. I have a dog I rescued that’s considered hypoallergenic and it wasn’t hard at all to find her and give her a better life.
T&R think they’re in love. When you truly love someone, you don’t turn them into a liar and dishonest person. You don’t put them in situations where they lose good friends and hurt people around them. They are in a toxic, poisonous love bubble. And when the toxic smoke clears, they’re “love” won’t be able to fix the damage and devastation around and inside of them.
This was exactly what I needed for my Friday afternoon thank you so much for what you do! Seeing you all together
Lala was not harsh when she said she needed help and Rachel was not humble when she said she was getting it.
Sadly I think the tears at the end for Rachel were the fact she is finally telling the truth and that because of that she’ll prob lose Tom, I don’t think she regrets any of it and would gladly be in a relationship with Tom if he would be willing.
She was sorry about lying. And sorry about how it made her feel. “I hate lying it makes me feel….”
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I think Nick feels the way I do about this (along with countless other people) Obviously the high drama is hard to look away from but personally I'm fascinated with how men become Toms and girls become Raquels. I need a deep dive on their childhoods, family dynamics, the timeline of them each leaving their family homes to what happened next and then all the way to the show. Because as a mom of twin little boys I can't help but want to make the opposite choices every step of the way. And I don't think Rachel was being vulnerable when she responded to the mental evaluation- she is deeply troubled and very dumb. On a level I've never encountered in real life or documented on screen. I thought Teresa from NJ housewives held that role but Rachel said hold my lightning bolt. I think she is either far down the spectrum or some other cognitive disorder, has no connection to reality because if she did she would've known how embarrassing her entire personality and behavior is. She was a fan of the show and saw these people as characters on her tv who she idolized and I'd bet anything Tom saw how mentally unstable/blank Rachel was and once he decided to have a thing with her he was able to easily convince her using his influence (perceived by himself and Rachel), his flashy choices/personality, knowing she's a super fan he probably spoke to her in VPR historical terms constantly justifying their actions by other people's poor behavior in the past, and I'd bet lots of money that Rachel at any given time maybe 12 thoughts/opinions placed there either intentionally or subliminally by Tom or whoever else is influencing her at that time. Which is also why she can never elaborate or exhibit critical thinking skills and then behaves like a busted Chuck E Cheese animatronic sparking and making everyone feel embarrassed for her. I hate how much this sucked me in. I'll go 😂😅
There are no good characters on this show. They are all more or less everything that is bad with people these days. Even worse is the fact that they behave likes this on TV for money and fame.
It's domestic violence actually. Look up the wheel of power and control. It will explain each phase of what he was doing and what happened.
Literallyanone could find themselves in this position. Desire is powerful.
I used to be like Raquel. Mom was stunning with no confidence...was further picked on because mean people saw that. Dad made inappropriate, sexual comments about women from a child in front of me. So, I never saw a confident mom or a dad that modeled love or seeing woman as more than objects. Raquel might be self aware deep down and just so lost on the inside she doesn't trust anyone to help fix it and the default is just familiar. Also trauma trumps intelligence. I have a MA, 4.0 and acted very stupid.
@@katg9608 kudos to you for sharing your side of it as to how you used to be. Proof that people can change, and admitting it is a huge step, understanding where you developed certain behaviors is another huge step.!
Everything that came out of Raquel’s mouth, the misunderstanding about Lala’s mistress comments, the “I’m a people person who decided to please myself”, “James and Lala can’t talk” it’s all Sandoval in her ear. Look at the backstage scene. Raquel was feeling remorse and feeling bad - and Sandoval says “yeah, that sucks” and then immediately turns it around to how bad they are, he goes into “4th wall” talk…about the common enemy etc. He’s been completely gassing her up this entire time about her role in the show, since the Swartz/Raquel drama started catching on with in the bravo sphere and getting new attn for a show that was on the cusp of being cancelled. “Dude, this is what the viewers want, ur the new sympathetic villainess, ur young, attractive, like just trying to figure urself out babe, like that’s the energy that launched the show dude, there’s ppl who hate Katie, you’ve got Scheana on ur side blah, blah”. I mean his trailer comment of “Scheana is just trying to get back in with the group & be friends with Katie now that ur not friends”. He’s honestly living in a twisted past reality show and he doesn’t even realize that Scheana and Lala were close bcuz of the kids, that it was only Katie she was having issues with. It’s literally all a game to him.
The wedding caller- I like the idea of walking halfway and dad join you. It celebrates your independence and strong will. Your mom & stepdad can walk as a couple in front of you. Its giving your stepdad some recognition.
Sorry but.
You absolutely do get mugshots taken in front of brick walls.
Carry on. 😂
In my opinion the T shirt comment was to manage Raquel and her noticing the disconnect between what Tom told her and what Ariana was saying “ about your guy’s intimacy” so Tom had to minimise that time between him and Ariana in front of Raquel and it backfired by looking like a dig at Ariana. Hence why he threw his toys out the pram about speaking to her off camera.
Well the only part they forgot to mention was that there is 25% of purebreds in shelters so he could have easily found a hypoallergenic one. They just said where he has a huge following it could have been a chance to promote a good story of him adopting a dog. But I understand Pete’s point as well. Nothing worse than losing a pet 😭
Love Natalie’s “byeeeee” at the end 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I strongly believe almost EVERYTHING she said was told to her by Tom. The Way the ultimate tantrum happened after she called him out about sleeping with Ariana you know he had to set her straight because he was not going to let her ruin him from “WINNING”. yes winning. That’s all that matters. Remember “you never apologize”. He’s all about wining the fight so people get back on his side.
When you pull up website and pics, why dont you actually show them?
You should get Raquel on your show 🍿
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to this podcast. It was really informative and each member of Nick’s team equally provided great context throughout. Well done 👏
I love the discussion, thank you for pointing out what was ugly about this reunion.
Please put time stamps in! This podcast jumps around and covers many different topics/themes. It would be very helpful if we can see timestamps! Thanks
The “shocker” was the way it played out. Many of the things Tom said last night, disputed what she said. Tom was very adamant about his claims on ‘ “only one time” . She betrayed him at the end. Thats the shocker. BUT I think her confessing is strategic. I think truth will come out that they are the reason she broke her engagement to James. This is just to divert.
I recently started watching this podcast and tI find it so funny how Nick says the ads😂😂
I automatically smile often when sad or mad, and never understood why until I started going to therapy. I grew up not feeling okay to feel sad or mad, so sometimes as an adult if I’m not comfortable with who I’m around I still smile when mad/ sad automatically. Maybe it’s the same for Rachel especially growing up doing pageants…
We NEED to know what highlight Natalie is wearing.... ✨
1:33:08 if we can’t let Lala have her recovery storyline Tom shouldn’t have one
AGREE especially when people continue to throw past mistakes from years ago in her face
@@mercedezvaldez8248 say what you want about Lala but like Rinna she owns her shit
Okay. But why is everyone treating lala like this is the past? She’s treating g people this way in the present
“Im going to fight for HOGWARTS!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It was obvious to me from Halloween last year. I thought there is something up with them. Who does that? Think about it, if your guy wanted to dress up as one of your best friends. I even thought Lisa Rinna was infatuated with Erika when she dressed up as her. It's BIZARRE
Does anyone else think it’s nuts that no one in Raquel’s family has spoken out on her behalf?? Where are they? Even a PR rep…*anyone* to just speak up and provide some kind of explanation or update…
Saw this video randomly. Loved the nostalgia of seeing Ali, Amanda and Nick together.
Such great dialogue. Love Nick with them. He’s so much sharper, so articulate, more focused in on the show than he is today. The new household is just a bunch of chaotic chatter, sorry.
VPR has the “Secrets Revealed” next Wednesday 6/14
She was still lying in her big truth reveal 😂
If you're going to bring up a photo of someone, would you please show US!!!!
We can't see who this woman is that hired a killer...
I definitely agree with Nick about Rachel. She was manipulated but the back room thing was crazy that the only thing she cared about was Allie like girl what.
I’m sure she cared about more but they only showed a small snippet and she basically was agreeing at that point that Allie was an upgrade so she was putting herself down. She lacks self worth and it’s actually pretty sad. Hope she finds healing.
Well I mean she was just making a comment because there was a lot that went on in that reunion. It was kind of the funniest thing that was said to her.
When Ariana told Raquel she was worth NOTHING, that seemed alittle too harsh.
Really, not the cheese grater comment? It all was a lot, but hopefully she got it out and feels better, most people probably would have an opportunity to just go off on someone who hurt them so much
I don't think any of it was too harsh. Considering Ariana hadn't talked to Rachel since the day she found out three weeks prior, I was actually surprised Ariana didn't go further with her comments. I thought Ariana handled herself extremely well.
It would behoove the whole cast to "get a better vocabulary." They're just pissed they were duped by the "dumbest" person on the show 😂
the last 5 minutes was definitely like an "well, okay" moment rather than a "HOLY SH**" moment.
The way to test if it’s true love……Tom should tell Rachel he’s leaving the show and ask her to join him. 😂
So here's a thought - what if.... SANDOVAL told Raquel to do the "end of reunion confession" to salvage her reputation? I mean I think it goes back way further than she even "confessed". I think they had a connection or even slept together before the engagement with James, so this is NOT a tell-all confession in my opinion. Just a thought...
They don’t think they are in love and we the audience know they aren’t in love
James was everything not gunna lie, he killed me at the reunion but not saying there’s things he’s done that aren’t bad, but I mean if I had a camera in my party days omg.
The way Raquel and Tom were chatting and laughing at the end was really messed up. Zero self-awareness, zero integrity. Do they think it's a game? This was really weird to watch.
Lala called it, Sandoval is a dangerous person!!!
June 10, 2021 my sister was in a fatal car accident . Her friend from the tavern was also in the accident. He survived ,she was hospitalized with brain dead medical terms. They were struck in front of a car, crossing the street. When you work 20 years for the County, meet these drunks in a tavern , this is the result. Her mom worked 15 years in an office and told her brother, my daughter works for the County, office work. When you are called to the Intensive Care Unit at the Hospital, they already know who is behind a hit man! Because you cannot work , family ask for franchise rentals. That is a brother with his wife, daughter & son! That is recorded on the computer! Than what is it lazy ? There was factory work, 5AM shifts, or office work, and other kinds of WORK!
Girl, have both dads walk you down the aisle! I'm a wedding photographer and I have worked multiple weddings where the bride had both dads walk her down the aisle. I've also worked weddings that they had their mom and dad, or just their mom. It's your wedding you can do whatever YOU want!
That story of finding him outside her room is a lie. She moved her room
away from James they were supposed to share a Patio pool and she also said production wouldn’t let her share her room. The girl sharing her room had to move rooms. They had it planned.
Maybe I’m ignorant on the topic but I never understood why it’s bad to buy from a breeder?? The dog in the shelter and the dog at the breeder are both alive and both worthy of loving homes. Just bc someone adopts that doesn’t mean all the dogs at the breeder don’t need homes too.
As for Pete & Peta, some dogs that are “bought” will end up in adoption agencies if they aren’t purchased/homed. It’s what was going to happen to my dog. I wanted to rescue him, but after finding my current dog in an online ad and showing up to see how he and his litter were treated, I KNEW I was rescuing them. They were in a barn at the back of the yard, living in their own feces and filth. My dog was “purchased” for an insanely low amount because the litter was about to get taken to a shelter. He was also born with a bad knee and hip so I will be investing in surgery for him. My dog was chosen by me because he was hiding in fear at the back of the barn. It spoke to me as I knew something deeper was going on.
Pete needs a hypoallergenic dog for his allergy, and it likely needs to be a purebred - my MIL is the same. Peta (or anyone for that right) shouldn't judge people or try to defame them over caring for a dog and a parent. It’s amazing that he got another dog in general-so many end up on the streets whether they came from breeders or not. So I’d also like to give peta a big “f u” 👍
Same thing happened with my pup! He was born with a defect and no one wanted to purchase him. I ended up taking him home and was able to pay for the surgery he needed. He’s a happy healthy boy now but I often think about where he would’ve ended up had I not taken him home 😢
For the caller, i would ask myself personally - might sound bleak, but if my dad wasnt alive to walk me down the aisle would i be sad in that moment? I'm not married, and my dad didnt walk my sister down the aisle because she was married at a court house 3 states away. My dad would've been over the moon if he had the oppertunity to walk me down the aisle. It's a prideful walk for fathers.
In my opinion, a human being AT ANY AGE, is capable of changing for the better if they do the tough work. I don’t think we can write people off just because they are 40, 50, 60 or 70… just my humble opinion.
Rachel apologize to Ariana on a text but was staying at her house that week before the reunion while Ariana was in Canada.
That inability to read sarcasm is a marker for being on the spectrum.
Tom took Rachel home or flew her out to his hometown on the 12/29 - there was photo that proved they lied about her being with him at his moms, that’s when she met his family.
Why is Nick and the fam so smart with their advice and observations? Are they Psychology majors?! Love this podcast!
Anybody else thinking in his twisted way Sandoval is taking credit for Ariana’s sudden success? He was real smug about it…
Saying Raquel said she loves Sandoval as tho it was nothing/no reaction, is absolutely not true. It was actually the FIRST time she had an emotional rxn to any of this. She almost started crying. It was actually pretty significant to me.
I think it’s scandoval is the one Alex baskin was talking about when he said people might not want to come back cause Rachel at the end obviously admits that they were lying about timelines n how many times it happened
It shows Rachel just latches to men and the women are just there. Men are the ones the attention counts from for her.
hey natalie & co. referring to your full name as “my government” is a black/AAVE turn of phrase. 😇✨
Everyone has had sex with a t-shirt on. He just threw that out there cause Rachel didn't know he had sex with Ariana. He told her she was the only one he was doing.😮😊
The assessment that Raquel is some damsel that was manipulated into continuing the affair,
-sleeping with her best friend bf in their home as she is at a funeral,
-talk to Ariana about their sex life, and cried with her… is beyond ridiculous. The assessment is 100% wrong.
For the caller regarding her dads, if the sentiment on why they walk you down the aisle isn’t there then don’t do it just because it’s tradition. These days it can be anyone. For me it was a very emotional thing. I am the only daughter, the sentiment is my father who was the first man to love and protect me giving me away to the new man who will love and protect me for the rest of my life. It is also something you do in respect to your father, it’s for him, his last major gesture as you move on.
If they both walk you down, have your step dad walk you up to where your mom is sitting, then have your dad actually hand you off to your husband.
Her bullshit tears at the end were self pity .. she was telling all to rub it in ariannas face .. and her bullshit backstage saying that what James said his new girl was an upgrade .. and THATS WHAT GOT HER.because she wants every guy in the group to want her and not get over her .. she is so in love WITH HERSELF
People make terrible decisions when they are in deep pain
Tom is loving all of this, from what we've seen since they filmed the reunion. And don't forget that they are still communicating! I'm sure she confessed to him because she Knew that her interview was going to air on TV and link. She said tom was the one last person she had so i'm sure she let him know And he forgave her plus she didn't really tell anything we haven't already heard about. But at the time she filmed Her last 1 on 1 it was breaking news. But we have found all of that out sense so I totally believe that they already talked about that because they're still communicating as of days ago. With that picture of him on the plane.
But in one of the extended episodes it was revealed that Tom & Raquel had code names in their phones for each other.
IMO: Tom planned that phone call being on camera to spike the interest again. Why would he have her full name displayed on the phone and not attempt to conceal the call⁉️
@ArcherGinger oh I watched the peacock ones and I didn't hear that..... I agree with you 💯