Victorinox scissors really are excellent. They're the only multitool scissors I've come across that can 'glide' (whenever you're cutting paper with fine scissors you can just push forward and cut through, no thumb movement needed.) Thing is, they glide through ripstop nylon just as well as paper.
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When it comes to scissors it is not only important if blades are sharp enough, but also how they work with each other. Victorinox knows how to make scissors
Thanks for doing this... you’ve got some of the most useful knife and tool content out there. Based on your results, I can see why people are so in love with ‘nox scissors. I’m thinking the compact with those big scissors would make an ideal urban edc.
I use my 18 year Victorinox scissors to cut my nails because they work better than most dedicated scissors I had. They are not that comfortable to hold, but they cut so well.
I acquired a Leatherman Micra this week. I was disappointed to see this video AFTER I bought a Micra. I did my own test, and I have to say that my results closely matched yours. All of my Victorinox scissors were much better than all of my Leatherman scissors ( I no longer own a Surge ). I went ahead and tested several Wenger scissors as well, and they faired about the same as the Leatherman scissors. I did notice that the scissors on my two older Charge Ti models were noticeably better than the scissors on my new Charge Plus.
Really good comprehensive review, thanks. One scissor performance test that shows a good contrast between LM & Vic scissors is when cutting with the scissor tips. Ha … for that “fine” work. I find the Vic scissors are far superior to my LMs across the board. It’s not like LM don’t know how to make scissors. Their Raptor has a super impressive set of shears. I wish they could translate more of that design DNA to their conventional edc multitools. Also the LM PST II scissors are actually really really good. IMHO, aside from a little more finicky to deploy, they cut miles better than Charge/Blast and Juice scissors. They’re a bit smaller than the Juice version but are more solid and comfortable.
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Great review. My Wave scissors are famous in my family for somehow handling tough jobs. After having seen your reviews, I'm absolutely looking forward to putting some Victorinox scissors to work. Also, I was inspired to sharpen my Style CS and Wave scissors and, while that helped them get better at paper, paracord cutting didn't improve by that much. Especially the Style CS, tends to roll with paracord. The Wave cut through paracord better after sharpening pretty well but it seemed to "snap" through and then lock in the closed position requiring me to open the blades manually. I think you're right about the tolerances involving the pin as well as the profile curve of the blades themselves. Excellent review and always great to know what makes something work better than others.
If I may flashback 30 years my Victorinox scissors always loosened at the pivot. The Wegner seemed to be better but were extremely hard to open. When I purchased the original Leatherman I was impressed by the pliers though they lacked the scissors. Years later when I purchased the Wave I was impressed with the scissors compared to the old Swiss tools. The Victorinox scissors may have improved since my experience but the Leatherman pliers blow Victorinox right out of the water. For my money the superior Leatherman pliers and acceptable scissors are the best option. I now purposely avoid Victorinox models with pliers. I have been contemplating carrying the Victorinox Rangergrip 179 and adding a Leatherman Raptor or possibly a small pair of Visegrips. I guess my logic explains why a retired man has a Weatherguard toolbox on his truck. I appreciate the time you have taken to keep us all up to date with options.
Let me say, I want to thank you very much for commenting. I can appreciate your many years of experience with multi tools and knives. I tend to agree with you on the plier of Leatherman tools vs Victorinox plier based tools. I greatly prefer the Leatherman pliers for multiple different reasons, with one exception. Victorinox pliers have a super smooth action, which I like very much. I do think your statement about superior pliers and acceptable scissors is spot on though. I completely agree with you. I really appreciate you taking the time to watch my videos. On a side note, Weatherguard makes some really excellent tool boxes. Though I don’t have a need for it, I really like their Pack Rat.
Nice analysis. I find that I use scissors for cutting zip ties more that anything else because the cutters on a multitool plier head can’t reach them. I’m always a little hesitant because I’m afraid the Victorinox scissors may break. The Micra is really good for zip ties.
My 35 dollar SAK Huntsman has the big scissors and they totally dominated the scissors on the 190 dollar Leatherman Charge+ Tti The Leatherman scissors instantly buckled when trying to cut some thick paper shop towels. I was shocked. The SAK Huntsman flew right through it with ease. I quickly returned the Leatherman Charge and got the signal instead as a proper camping tool companion. The huntsman is now my EDC
I know you are not discussing shear type scissors like in the Roxon & Nextool, but there are a few comments below about how great they are. But, when you try to cut stiff cardboard with these, as soon as the edge reaches the body of the multitool, the cardboard has nowhere to go, and impinges on the body. It is difficult to bend the cardboard down (or up) to continue cutting. This should be the test for scissors. Doing a snip on the edge tells nothing. And who uses scissors to cut paracord or rope? There's a knife blade for that. In my opinion, Victorinox scissors, with the exception of those in the Spirit X, are far superior to virtually every other brand's scissors. Good review, Dan. Keep up the good work.
I really think that curve in the Victorinox scissor blades is exactly what gives them the advantage, and it makes a lot of sense why if you think about it. It really maximizes the direct cutting force against the material being cut despite the tiny blades. The only reason why the Surge scissors can compete is because they’re so much larger, which is why you don’t see that curve on full sized scissors, they don’t need it. Perhaps Victorinox has patented the curve, but if at all possible, Leatherman should really get on board with it. Victorinox does also have more precise manufacturing standards and uses better materials, though, so maybe that has something to do with it.
the pin tension on my Surge weakened after some very moderate usage. same on my Squirt PS4. i solved the problem with a center punch. same on Squirt's pliers! overall my Surge was a Huge failure. a few more tools on it broken. i tried Skeletool CX, Gerber Dime then moved to SpiritTool Plus Ratchet. by far the best tool overall.
Some of the new Juice scissors actually have a type of serration to their edge profile. It’s good in some ways, but not my favorite. I like to be able to slide cut paper with my scissors, meaning, opening and closing a little to start the cut in paper, and then just pushing the tool forward and the paper is cut by the sharp wedge that’s formed in the joint of the two blades.
I have both Leatherman and Victorinox tools, and I have to agree with your analysis. I like the design and materials of Leatherman tools but prefer the quality of Victorinox. BTW, Victorinox makes the Pioneer X, which is a large 93 mm alox model with scissors. They previously made an 84 mm alox model with scissors, called the Voyageur, but those are pricy and tough to find in the secondary market. Thanks for the great demo.
Hello again Ben. :) Maybe do a video comparing the speed of tool access between Leatherman and Victorinox? Also, maybe a comparison of efficiency of the tools? Like, how much torque on a wide diameter screw in hardwood can you get with a LM vs SAK. And we are still waiting of a comparison of the wood saws, of course. :)
The problem that I have found with the Victorinox scissors is spring breakage. That replacement springs are available should be taken as a warning about the lack of durability of this design. Also, the installation of replacement springs is a struggle. Buyer beware.
My issue with even good multi-tool scissors is the cutting edge length. Look at the Surge. The cutting edge of the scissors is tiny compared to that tool. Wave, SwissTool, whatever. There have been some designs that take scissors to the next level. In my opinion, scissors in multi-tools should be like in the Roxon Storm, Roxon KS, NexTool Flagship, Outu multi-tool (also branded Schrade, Coleman, Splitman). That is how big I want my multi-tool scissors to be. Even the cheap Outu has better scissors than many popular multi-tools of the big brands. But Victorinox scissors are truly amazing. The 91mm scissors are better than many dedicated scissors. The sharpness, the tolerances, the action, the comfort. They are flawless.
The Victorinox spirit line of multitools got scissors for lefties. I am unable to use it righthanded... useless tool for precision cutting for all right-handed pll and I dare you to try. In the vid TS is also not able to cut on the line 8:04. I’m disappointed in its design furthermore a lovely multitool
Awesome demonstration and video. Although, if I muted and just watched without sound, I would think leatherman is better by the test performed. Maybe it’s just me, but you might be a little bias in Victorinoxs favor
Scissors are one thing but i wish victorianox would give up the can opener patent. I have never found another opener that compares. About to drop a Vic into a LM wave +.
The Victorinox Nail Clip 580 has serrated scissors and has the big beefy spring like the Surge. Also nail clippers in a Victorinox. You know you want them. You know you want to review them. You know WE want you to review them. 😂
This is a great review. Waiting a video about my favorite tool in all multitools. By experience Leatherman scissors dulls pretty easily. I have a raptor and my rambler cuts way better. My skeletool CS is kind of crampling the paper as compared to sd classic and 91 mm. I can say wave and surge have good scissors and evo victorinox models are lower quality. But Swisstool X sizes scissors does the best. Victorinox scissors are way undervalued. I ignored them for long long time up until I started paying attention to my edc.
I have what I think is a Victorinox Evolution S14, and I have not been impressed by the scissors at all. I was just bought a Super Tinker so I'll have to compare. Personally I love the scissors on the Leatherman Wingman, which made it onto the Surge. Also the best scissors that I have are a cheap pair of Westcott Titanium scissors that I bought for about $15 CDN at Michael's. Better than any multi-tool scissors. The little scissors on the Leatherman Wave aren't bad, but I've had to sharpen mine.
I carry the Swiss Tool Spirit daily and wish that the scissors were the same as the Tinkers. But I do like their leaf spring. I wish they could add that spring to the other scissors. I ruined a few of the lightweight springs on my other Victorinox knives.
great video my friend! yes I adore the vic scissors. I heard at the end you were looking for an alox version with larger scissors and a knife. have you checked out the Pioneer X ?? it sounds to me like you would love that tool :) keep up the awesome videos man I love watching these!
I have a couple of leatherman and Victorinox multi tool the best scissors are from the Swiss champ out of my collection I wish I could own a surge tho it looks like the king of multi tools
I thought so too. It's pretty good, but a bit too heavy to the point where you can carry the swiss champ, and a stand alone set of pliers, but still be under the weight of the surge.
In my set of 39 Leatherman multitool and a few Victorinox. I don't sell or advertise multitools, so I can afford what I like, not what the ads impose. Any Leatherman, if you leave out false patriotism, is undoubtedly the best multitool in the world. Objectively, it is often let down by the build. But if your hands grow out of the right place, everything is easily corrected without much effort and special equipment. Leatherman is a working tool. This is not a toy. If it is used for its intended purpose, you can give a guarantee of more than 25 years. I don't have only Leatherman FREE. This is absolutely not my style. Leatherman Skeletool is a masterpiece of interaction between design engineers and marketers at Leatherman. It's not the best of Leatherman, but it's a MASTERPIECE of STEEL PRODUCTION !!!! From Victorinox, only Victorinox vine master stayed in my hands for a long time because of the excellent knife with a corkscrew and my passion for French and Italian wines. The remaining 11 Victorinox are in the box as part of the collection. Expressed his point of view. I have something to compare with because I can pick up any multitool at home and use it for its intended purpose. You always have a modified Leatherman Wawe +in your pocket. It has an s30v blade, a serreytor with a sling cutter, and a rebar awl instead of a large flat screwdriver. I wish all Leatherman fans and just good people good health and long life.В моем наборе 39 мультитулов Leatherman и несколько Victorinox. Я не продаю и не рекламирую мультитулы, поэтому могу позволить то, что мне нравится, а не то, что навязывает реклама. Любой Leatherman, если оставить ложный патриотизм, несомненно является лучшим мультитулом в мире. Объективно, его часто подводит сборка. Но если у Вас руки растут из нужного места, всё легко поправляется без больших усилий и специальной оснастки. Leatherman - рабочий инструмент. Это не игрушка. Если его использовать по назначению, то можно давать гарантию и больше 25-ти лет. У меня нет только Leatherman FREE. Это абсолютно не мой стиль. Leatherman Skeletool - шедевр взаимодействия инженеров-дизайнеров и маркетологов компании Leatherman. Это не лучший из Leatherman, но это ШЕДЕВР СТАЛЬНОГО ПРОИЗВОДСТВА !!!! Из Victorinox в моих руках надолго задержался только Victorinox vine master из-за отличного ножа и моего неравнодушия к французским и итальянским винам. Остальные 11 Victorinox лежат в коробке, как часть коллекции. Высказал свою точку зрения. Мне есть с чем сравнивать потому что любой мультитул могу взять в руки дома и пользоваться им по назначению. В кармане всегда лежит модифицированный Leatherman Wave +. В нём лезвие S30V, серрейтор со стропорезом и шило от Rebar вместо большой плоской отвертки. Всем фанатам Leatherman и просто добрым людям желаю крепкого здоровья и долгих лет жизни.
Just got my surge today and am very disappointed... my scissors can’t even cut through paracord... yours do great, but mine just mush it... I’m guessing I’m going to have to return mine... for a 200dollar Canadian tool, I expected much much better results.. all my liner locks tools have front and back play (the saw is the worst) if it was side to side, I could just tighten it, but it seems like they ground the tools down a little too much.. the scissors were one of the main selling points for me, as I use my MT scissors a lot... so the surge is a no go for me... kinda sad, because I got my wife the micra with the scissors, and they cut like butter.. I’m sure I could return it and get a replacement, but to me, leatherman has already lost their chance for my money... you can’t charge 3 times as much as the competition, and have huge QC issues like this...
The Surge scissors are quite good, but not very precise and i hate that the lever opens up too far, have to grab the tool in front for it. The Wave/Charge scissors are decent, used them many times but the Swisstool ones are perfect. The ones on the Spirit i detest, i get they needed another form factor but those are shit tbh, even the classic are more useful.
I use scissors more than the average user I would assume. Though most cutting tasks can be accomplished with a quality knife, I like the control of scissors for a variety of different tasks. Some examples would be cutting string, cutting electrical tape, and cutting down drinking straws for my youngest.
@@txtoolcrib Thanks for your answer. I would like to buy the Surge soon because it should be ideal for my needs. Also, the scissors are on the outside and not comparable to the Leatherman Wave. The quality also makes a robust impression. The price is very high but you get what you pay for. Greetings from Germany and all the best to you and your family
I was looking at the leather multi tools between surge and the wave. I do have people in my family that have glasses so the wave would be awesome for the glasses screw driver but I have mini drivers and chose the surge because of the better scissors and no regrets. But will buy a couple of waves for the cars and a micro for the keychain so I can have everythingwith it at all times
I prefer Leatherman as a brand but Victorinox make better blades, anyone who owns both can plainly see that out of the box a Victorinox blade will be a lot sharper than a Leatherman's, same with the scissors
Pairing Victorinox with a pliers based multitool is what I did. For example a Farmer or Hiker plus a Classic SD for saw, scissors, reamer and flatheads/openers, as well as tweezers, together with a SOG Microclip gives me a good toolset, with more substantial pliers than those on Squirts or Dimes which are too small to be of any use. Or if I don't want to carry a saw that day, Vic Climber with larger scissors plus SOG Microclip.I don't mind redundancy when it comes to blades. In the end I spend more than I would have done on just a Squirt or another keychain multitool like a Dime...but still each combo comes in less expensive than a Juice, which I can't find for less than £90 here in the UK, and tbh I don't really like the design of it anyway. The knife blade is designed to fit the handle, rather than the other way around.
I completely disagree with your review criteria. I think jaw length, comfort, and leverage are more important than sharpness. You can always sharpen scissors, but you can't reasonably modify the former.
Why does nobody ever test scissors on soft materials too? Like fabric or leather. I've seen some perform well on the generic paper/cardboard test but totally suck cutting fabric. Victorinox scissors are superior bc they took the best scissors in existence, the large silver fabric scissors that are always used as a murder weapon in movies lol, and they shrunk em down. Gerber uses Fiscars so theirs perform pretty well. But Leatherman made their scissors based on what they thought scissors are supposed to look like without any actual engineering.
In my experience victorinox scissors are far superior than leatherman scissors. My leatherman surge scissors used to cut paracord, but after a cut or two the scissors were too loose, and just fold over. I like leatherman's saws better. I do not like victorinox's both way design, it seems to hang up a lot more than a pull saw.
I am fucking your waifu and there's nothing you can do about it I haven’t experienced that issue with the Surge. I will admit that I don’t use my scissors very often, so that may be why I have never had any issues.
Leatherman are my favourite brand, followed closely by Victorinox. I've recently purchased a Squirt PS4 and the scissors are absolute rubbish, they struggle badly to cut paracord and string, among other things. The same size victorinox scissors are awesome. Why can't leatherman make their scissors like that. The scissors on a multi-tool are one of the most important items to me, and i only have multi-tools that include scissors. The PS4 might as well not have any because they don't work. It's a big let down from leatherman considering they are the world's leading brand. And a big let down for me because i so much wanted to like the PS4 as it's a perfect keyring size and it goes everywhere with me.
Thanks for the info, I was considering getting a Squirt PS4 but in the end I decided against it, the pliers are just too small to be of any use for me, I need them for bike repairs on the road including changing wheels if an innertube bursts and needs changing, and the nuts are too big for the Squirt, Dime or any keychain multitool for that matter. Plus the Squirt is £40 ($50) here in the UK if you get lucky, normally it's more. So for the same money I got a SOG Microclip which is a bit bigger, more the size of a Juice, but a fraction of the price (they fetch more than $100 here!) plus a Victorinox Classic for scissors and tweezers, also the blade on that is fine for opening packages, and the blade on the SOG is 2 inches and good for bigger jobs...together they cost me £40. I also carry a larger SAK such as Farmer or Hiker so I have a saw, reamer and bigger blades to work with. Okay that 3-piece EDC combo does cost more than the Squirt and much more than a Gerber Dime but it's a much bigger better toolset. Getting a SAK Climber which has bigger scissors and will rotate and carry that with the SOG, and leave the Classic & Farmer/Hiker at home, if I don't want to carry a saw.
S2 can get a decent edge on a worksharp if you angle it right, I’ve had an S2 for 8 years now and was never impressed with the scissors, worse they shortened the blade length too. Still pretty much lower grade overall in comparison with Victorinox scissors. SOG multitool scissors are garbage, replaced scissors on power lock with plain edge and a serrated edge, getting rid of the scissors and combination blade altogether.
I don't agree at all, the Victorinox scissors always fold over for me, while the leatherman scissors (I use my Wave the most), don't do that! Also the spring of the Victorinox are such a bad design, I've lost a few of them! Honestly, I don't think you have much real experience with these scissors, I've carried a Wave for over 15 years daily and have a couple of Victorinox's that I've used a lot and I never thought that those scissors are better, yes bigger but no not better.
When he said that he was gonna compare scissors from 2 great companies I couldn’t agree more. Victorinox has been in the game a long time and so has leatherman. However I like leatherman better but still love and respect victorinox! 👌🏻👌🏻
Cutting templates would be one example. Often time cutting through tightened up zip ties is not that effective with a knife as well. There are so many instances where scissors will offer more cutting control than a blade. To each their own though.
2 sec in and I know the the sak wins. After watching video biggest disappointment has to be leatherman micra. Scissors based multitool but the scissors are crap.
Victorinox are the king of scissors...except those on the Spirit. The Spirit scissors are an abomination. They should have used standard Vic scissors in the Spirit. Other than the scissors the Spirit is the most ergonomic and pocketable multitool out there.
Victorinox scissors really are excellent. They're the only multitool scissors I've come across that can 'glide' (whenever you're cutting paper with fine scissors you can just push forward and cut through, no thumb movement needed.) Thing is, they glide through ripstop nylon just as well as paper.
The Gerber multiplier has great scissors too, made by Fiskars. The only downside is that the jaws are too short for thicker or heavier cutting.
"We are going to cut paper, cardboard, and paracord, and then I will explain why Victorinox is better." Lol, I enjoyed that.
Lol, now that I think about it, that may have been a bit egotistical. My bad.
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Ben, every single video you have made justifies my subscription to your channel. Keep them coming, please.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
I agree. Really enjoy the factual, well thought out, fluff free videos.
I'll second that.
When it comes to scissors it is not only important if blades are sharp enough, but also how they work with each other. Victorinox knows how to make scissors
Thanks for doing this... you’ve got some of the most useful knife and tool content out there. Based on your results, I can see why people are so in love with ‘nox scissors. I’m thinking the compact with those big scissors would make an ideal urban edc.
I use my 18 year Victorinox scissors to cut my nails because they work better than most dedicated scissors I had. They are not that comfortable to hold, but they cut so well.
I acquired a Leatherman Micra this week. I was disappointed to see this video AFTER I bought a Micra. I did my own test, and I have to say that my results closely matched yours. All of my Victorinox scissors were much better than all of my Leatherman scissors ( I no longer own a Surge ). I went ahead and tested several Wenger scissors as well, and they faired about the same as the Leatherman scissors. I did notice that the scissors on my two older Charge Ti models were noticeably better than the scissors on my new Charge Plus.
Really good comprehensive review, thanks. One scissor performance test that shows a good contrast between LM & Vic scissors is when cutting with the scissor tips. Ha … for that “fine” work. I find the Vic scissors are far superior to my LMs across the board. It’s not like LM don’t know how to make scissors. Their Raptor has a super impressive set of shears. I wish they could translate more of that design DNA to their conventional edc multitools. Also the LM PST II scissors are actually really really good. IMHO, aside from a little more finicky to deploy, they cut miles better than Charge/Blast and Juice scissors. They’re a bit smaller than the Juice version but are more solid and comfortable.
I’ll be honest with you. I have never once used my PST II scissors. You have peaked my curiosity, I’m going to have to try them out now.
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Great review. My Wave scissors are famous in my family for somehow handling tough jobs.
After having seen your reviews, I'm absolutely looking forward to putting some Victorinox scissors to work.
Also, I was inspired to sharpen my Style CS and Wave scissors and, while that helped them get better at paper, paracord cutting didn't improve by that much. Especially the Style CS, tends to roll with paracord. The Wave cut through paracord better after sharpening pretty well but it seemed to "snap" through and then lock in the closed position requiring me to open the blades manually.
I think you're right about the tolerances involving the pin as well as the profile curve of the blades themselves. Excellent review and always great to know what makes something work better than others.
I love my leatherman (s) I really do, but their scissors are always disappointing.
I have always thought they were usually fairly decent on most Leatherman tools, but not up to the quality of the Vic tools for sure.
If I may flashback 30 years my Victorinox scissors always loosened at the pivot. The Wegner seemed to be better but were extremely hard to open. When I purchased the original Leatherman I was impressed by the pliers though they lacked the scissors. Years later when I purchased the Wave I was impressed with the scissors compared to the old Swiss tools. The Victorinox scissors may have improved since my experience but the Leatherman pliers blow Victorinox right out of the water. For my money the superior Leatherman pliers and acceptable scissors are the best option. I now purposely avoid Victorinox models with pliers. I have been contemplating carrying the Victorinox Rangergrip 179 and adding a Leatherman Raptor or possibly a small pair of Visegrips. I guess my logic explains why a retired man has a Weatherguard toolbox on his truck. I appreciate the time you have taken to keep us all up to date with options.
Let me say, I want to thank you very much for commenting. I can appreciate your many years of experience with multi tools and knives.
I tend to agree with you on the plier of Leatherman tools vs Victorinox plier based tools. I greatly prefer the Leatherman pliers for multiple different reasons, with one exception. Victorinox pliers have a super smooth action, which I like very much. I do think your statement about superior pliers and acceptable scissors is spot on though. I completely agree with you.
I really appreciate you taking the time to watch my videos. On a side note, Weatherguard makes some really excellent tool boxes. Though I don’t have a need for it, I really like their Pack Rat.
Nice analysis. I find that I use scissors for cutting zip ties more that anything else because the cutters on a multitool plier head can’t reach them. I’m always a little hesitant because I’m afraid the Victorinox scissors may break. The Micra is really good for zip ties.
I use mine for that task a lot myself.
I've used wave scissors for that mostly because I hate myself. 🤣
also the victorinox dont ''bite'' the very thin threads.
Very good point. Love your channel btw.
A Victorinox compact is the perfect tool to pair up with any multitool. The scissors and the pen alone makes it worth it.
True , goes well with a swisstool :)
My 35 dollar SAK Huntsman has the big scissors and they totally dominated the scissors on the 190 dollar Leatherman Charge+ Tti
The Leatherman scissors instantly buckled when trying to cut some thick paper shop towels. I was shocked.
The SAK Huntsman flew right through it with ease.
I quickly returned the Leatherman Charge and got the signal instead as a proper camping tool companion.
The huntsman is now my EDC
Haven't owned a leatherman yet so I was very surprised to see how different the scissors are across their models!
Leatherman is pretty inconsistent with their scissors, one of my only complaints with their tools.
They just need to ditch all their scissors and put the raptor shears on their multitools.
I know you are not discussing shear type scissors like in the Roxon & Nextool, but there are a few comments below about how great they are. But, when you try to cut stiff cardboard with these, as soon as the edge reaches the body of the multitool, the cardboard has nowhere to go, and impinges on the body. It is difficult to bend the cardboard down (or up) to continue cutting. This should be the test for scissors. Doing a snip on the edge tells nothing. And who uses scissors to cut paracord or rope? There's a knife blade for that.
In my opinion, Victorinox scissors, with the exception of those in the Spirit X, are far superior to virtually every other brand's scissors.
Good review, Dan. Keep up the good work.
I really think that curve in the Victorinox scissor blades is exactly what gives them the advantage, and it makes a lot of sense why if you think about it. It really maximizes the direct cutting force against the material being cut despite the tiny blades. The only reason why the Surge scissors can compete is because they’re so much larger, which is why you don’t see that curve on full sized scissors, they don’t need it. Perhaps Victorinox has patented the curve, but if at all possible, Leatherman should really get on board with it. Victorinox does also have more precise manufacturing standards and uses better materials, though, so maybe that has something to do with it.
the pin tension on my Surge weakened after some very moderate usage. same on my Squirt PS4. i solved the problem with a center punch. same on Squirt's pliers!
overall my Surge was a Huge failure. a few more tools on it broken. i tried Skeletool CX, Gerber Dime then moved to SpiritTool Plus Ratchet. by far the best tool overall.
i want to learn your opinion
which one's scissors is better:
leatherman wave
leatherman leap or
gerber suspension (i think fiskars scissors) ?
That slight curve on the scissors had an effect.. not the same but like the Kukri machete or a sickle.. curve helps forward or backward slope cut
Thank you for sharing. Really like your profile pic btw.
Some of the new Juice scissors actually have a type of serration to their edge profile. It’s good in some ways, but not my favorite. I like to be able to slide cut paper with my scissors, meaning, opening and closing a little to start the cut in paper, and then just pushing the tool forward and the paper is cut by the sharp wedge that’s formed in the joint of the two blades.
Victorinox scissors are really good in that method.
Great comparison video and I have to agree that victorinox scissors are hard to beat. 👍🙂
Thank you sir.
I love the leatherman surge. Use it almost daily. Also picked up a NExtool Flagship Pro. Do try it out if you can. Love that one too.
I’ve heard that quite a few people like the Nextool.
I have both Leatherman and Victorinox tools, and I have to agree with your analysis. I like the design and materials of Leatherman tools but prefer the quality of Victorinox. BTW, Victorinox makes the Pioneer X, which is a large 93 mm alox model with scissors. They previously made an 84 mm alox model with scissors, called the Voyageur, but those are pricy and tough to find in the secondary market. Thanks for the great demo.
Tiny Asa Thank you for that. Pioneer X sounds like it might be a good fit.
I think the best scissors are from nextool multitool. Big n very sharp.
Hello again Ben. :)
Maybe do a video comparing the speed of tool access between Leatherman and Victorinox? Also, maybe a comparison of efficiency of the tools? Like, how much torque on a wide diameter screw in hardwood can you get with a LM vs SAK.
And we are still waiting of a comparison of the wood saws, of course. :)
I’ll put them on the list of things to do.
I am getting a victorinox Sak for Christmas and can't wait for it do now I now that it's scissors are the best
The Surge scissors are amazing. I've cut small-gauge stranded wire with them. I can't imagine any other multitools scissors doing that.
Why would you do that when you have pliers with wire cutters
Great analysis! VICTORINOX's overwhelming victory in all aspects of sharpening and fixation of the central axis of the angle!
Thank you.
Thanks for doing this comparison.
I like the showdowns.
You’re welcome.
The problem that I have found with the Victorinox scissors is spring breakage. That replacement springs are available should be taken as a warning about the lack of durability of this design. Also, the installation of replacement springs is a struggle. Buyer beware.
Wenger's scissor spring was better than Victorinox's.
My issue with even good multi-tool scissors is the cutting edge length. Look at the Surge. The cutting edge of the scissors is tiny compared to that tool. Wave, SwissTool, whatever.
There have been some designs that take scissors to the next level. In my opinion, scissors in multi-tools should be like in the Roxon Storm, Roxon KS, NexTool Flagship, Outu multi-tool (also branded Schrade, Coleman, Splitman). That is how big I want my multi-tool scissors to be. Even the cheap Outu has better scissors than many popular multi-tools of the big brands.
But Victorinox scissors are truly amazing. The 91mm scissors are better than many dedicated scissors. The sharpness, the tolerances, the action, the comfort. They are flawless.
I have seen some of those other multi tools you mentioned. They are really intriguing designs. I might have to pick them up soon.
Wow really amazing tools reviews video ever 10out10!!! :D
OcOmega Shadow Thank you sir.
Victorinox has self sharpening scissors when you open and close them without cutting anything they will sharpen them self great video
I’ve heard that. I’m not entirely sure how that is accomplished.
The Victorinox spirit line of multitools got scissors for lefties. I am unable to use it righthanded... useless tool for precision cutting for all right-handed pll and I dare you to try. In the vid TS is also not able to cut on the line 8:04. I’m disappointed in its design furthermore a lovely multitool
I am going to try it, not something I had noticed before.
ordered a pair of 91mm vic scissors from ukraine to mod into my wave as an outside accessible tool, alongside my straight blade.
You're doing God's work sir.
Thanks, and thanks for watching.
Awesome demonstration and video. Although, if I muted and just watched without sound, I would think leatherman is better by the test performed. Maybe it’s just me, but you might be a little bias in Victorinoxs favor
Great video. Thank You.
Scissors are one thing but i wish victorianox would give up the can opener patent.
I have never found another opener that compares. About to drop a Vic into a LM wave +.
The Victorinox Nail Clip 580 has serrated scissors and has the big beefy spring like the Surge.
Also nail clippers in a Victorinox.
You know you want them. You know you want to review them. You know WE want you to review them. 😂
Lol, I have considered getting them.
Thank you for the informative video!
You’re welcome.
Nice review m8 thx!
This is a great review. Waiting a video about my favorite tool in all multitools. By experience Leatherman scissors dulls pretty easily. I have a raptor and my rambler cuts way better. My skeletool CS is kind of crampling the paper as compared to sd classic and 91 mm. I can say wave and surge have good scissors and evo victorinox models are lower quality. But Swisstool X sizes scissors does the best. Victorinox scissors are way undervalued. I ignored them for long long time up until I started paying attention to my edc.
Add 580 victorinox, the scissors are different tension spring
I have what I think is a Victorinox Evolution S14, and I have not been impressed by the scissors at all. I was just bought a Super Tinker so I'll have to compare. Personally I love the scissors on the Leatherman Wingman, which made it onto the Surge. Also the best scissors that I have are a cheap pair of Westcott Titanium scissors that I bought for about $15 CDN at Michael's. Better than any multi-tool scissors. The little scissors on the Leatherman Wave aren't bad, but I've had to sharpen mine.
The Vic evolution series uses the Wenger style scissors. Vic scissors best Wenger all day any day.
I carry the Swiss Tool Spirit daily and wish that the scissors were the same as the Tinkers. But I do like their leaf spring. I wish they could add that spring to the other scissors. I ruined a few of the lightweight springs on my other Victorinox knives.
I just wish they had made the Spirit scissors just a bit longer.
Try the Scissors ✂️ on the Victorinox Rangergrip 71 and you will be blown away
great video my friend! yes I adore the vic scissors. I heard at the end you were looking for an alox version with larger scissors and a knife. have you checked out the Pioneer X ?? it sounds to me like you would love that tool :) keep up the awesome videos man I love watching these!
I had someone else that recommended that exact model too. I think I’m going to try it out.
I have a couple of leatherman and Victorinox multi tool the best scissors are from the Swiss champ out of my collection I wish I could own a surge tho it looks like the king of multi tools
I thought so too. It's pretty good, but a bit too heavy to the point where you can carry the swiss champ, and a stand alone set of pliers, but still be under the weight of the surge.
Sacha Turkot the Surge is an awesome multi tool, but it’s a bit heavier. So it is not for everyone.
You could try the Pioneer X or one of the 111 models like the Outrider/Workchamp for lager Scissors. Nice Comparison thx
They're identical to the scissors of the (original) SwissTool.
In my set of 39 Leatherman multitool and a few Victorinox. I don't sell or advertise multitools, so I can afford what I like, not what the ads impose. Any Leatherman, if you leave out false patriotism, is undoubtedly the best multitool in the world. Objectively, it is often let down by the build. But if your hands grow out of the right place, everything is easily corrected without much effort and special equipment. Leatherman is a working tool. This is not a toy. If it is used for its intended purpose, you can give a guarantee of more than 25 years. I don't have only Leatherman FREE. This is absolutely not my style. Leatherman Skeletool is a masterpiece of interaction between design engineers and marketers at Leatherman. It's not the best of Leatherman, but it's a MASTERPIECE of STEEL PRODUCTION !!!! From Victorinox, only Victorinox vine master stayed in my hands for a long time because of the excellent knife with a corkscrew and my passion for French and Italian wines. The remaining 11 Victorinox are in the box as part of the collection. Expressed his point of view. I have something to compare with because I can pick up any multitool at home and use it for its intended purpose. You always have a modified Leatherman Wawe +in your pocket. It has an s30v blade, a serreytor with a sling cutter, and a rebar awl instead of a large flat screwdriver. I wish all Leatherman fans and just good people good health and long life.В моем наборе 39 мультитулов Leatherman и несколько Victorinox. Я не продаю и не рекламирую мультитулы, поэтому могу позволить то, что мне нравится, а не то, что навязывает реклама. Любой Leatherman, если оставить ложный патриотизм, несомненно является лучшим мультитулом в мире. Объективно, его часто подводит сборка. Но если у Вас руки растут из нужного места, всё легко поправляется без больших усилий и специальной оснастки. Leatherman - рабочий инструмент. Это не игрушка. Если его использовать по назначению, то можно давать гарантию и больше 25-ти лет. У меня нет только Leatherman FREE. Это абсолютно не мой стиль. Leatherman Skeletool - шедевр взаимодействия инженеров-дизайнеров и маркетологов компании Leatherman. Это не лучший из Leatherman, но это ШЕДЕВР СТАЛЬНОГО ПРОИЗВОДСТВА !!!! Из Victorinox в моих руках надолго задержался только Victorinox vine master из-за отличного ножа и моего неравнодушия к французским и итальянским винам. Остальные 11 Victorinox лежат в коробке, как часть коллекции. Высказал свою точку зрения. Мне есть с чем сравнивать потому что любой мультитул могу взять в руки дома и пользоваться им по назначению. В кармане всегда лежит модифицированный Leatherman Wave +. В нём лезвие S30V, серрейтор со стропорезом и шило от Rebar вместо большой плоской отвертки. Всем фанатам Leatherman и просто добрым людям желаю крепкого здоровья и долгих лет жизни.
Which SAK has the largest and best scissors? i thinik the 58mm scissors are too small,
91 and 93mm knives
I'm lucky enough to have an original wave, with the best scissors Leatherman ever made. No idea why they gave them up.
They had to redesign them a bit because of the integrated knife lockout mechanism. But I agree, they are better scissors.
Just got my surge today and am very disappointed... my scissors can’t even cut through paracord... yours do great, but mine just mush it... I’m guessing I’m going to have to return mine... for a 200dollar Canadian tool, I expected much much better results.. all my liner locks tools have front and back play (the saw is the worst) if it was side to side, I could just tighten it, but it seems like they ground the tools down a little too much.. the scissors were one of the main selling points for me, as I use my MT scissors a lot... so the surge is a no go for me... kinda sad, because I got my wife the micra with the scissors, and they cut like butter.. I’m sure I could return it and get a replacement, but to me, leatherman has already lost their chance for my money... you can’t charge 3 times as much as the competition, and have huge QC issues like this...
What do you think of the climber with stay glow scales for a edc
That is one that I haven’t used yet. I need to pick one up.
The Surge scissors are quite good, but not very precise and i hate that the lever opens up too far, have to grab the tool in front for it. The Wave/Charge scissors are decent, used them many times but the Swisstool ones are perfect. The ones on the Spirit i detest, i get they needed another form factor but those are shit tbh, even the classic are more useful.
Is the leatherman Surge scissors same as the leatherman wingman?
Those on the Surge seem larger.
Do you often use the scissors on your multi-tool?
I use scissors more than the average user I would assume. Though most cutting tasks can be accomplished with a quality knife, I like the control of scissors for a variety of different tasks. Some examples would be cutting string, cutting electrical tape, and cutting down drinking straws for my youngest.
@@txtoolcrib Thanks for your answer. I would like to buy the Surge soon because it should be ideal for my needs. Also, the scissors are on the outside and not comparable to the Leatherman Wave. The quality also makes a robust impression. The price is very high but you get what you pay for. Greetings from Germany and all the best to you and your family
I was looking at the leather multi tools between surge and the wave. I do have people in my family that have glasses so the wave would be awesome for the glasses screw driver but I have mini drivers and chose the surge because of the better scissors and no regrets. But will buy a couple of waves for the cars and a micro for the keychain so I can have everythingwith it at all times
Sounds like you’re gonna have all bases covered.
Surge ❤
I love the Surge as well.
@@txtoolcrib i have surge,signal,swisstool ,swiss champ but surge is the really best.
I prefer Leatherman as a brand but Victorinox make better blades, anyone who owns both can plainly see that out of the box a Victorinox blade will be a lot sharper than a Leatherman's, same with the scissors
Victorinox makes a good saws as well.
They certainly do
Pairing Victorinox with a pliers based multitool is what I did. For example a Farmer or Hiker plus a Classic SD for saw, scissors, reamer and flatheads/openers, as well as tweezers, together with a SOG Microclip gives me a good toolset, with more substantial pliers than those on Squirts or Dimes which are too small to be of any use. Or if I don't want to carry a saw that day, Vic Climber with larger scissors plus SOG Microclip.I don't mind redundancy when it comes to blades. In the end I spend more than I would have done on just a Squirt or another keychain multitool like a Dime...but still each combo comes in less expensive than a Juice, which I can't find for less than £90 here in the UK, and tbh I don't really like the design of it anyway. The knife blade is designed to fit the handle, rather than the other way around.
I completely disagree with your review criteria. I think jaw length, comfort, and leverage are more important than sharpness. You can always sharpen scissors, but you can't reasonably modify the former.
Nothing trims nail better than Victorinox , hands down
Touché
Why does nobody ever test scissors on soft materials too? Like fabric or leather. I've seen some perform well on the generic paper/cardboard test but totally suck cutting fabric. Victorinox scissors are superior bc they took the best scissors in existence, the large silver fabric scissors that are always used as a murder weapon in movies lol, and they shrunk em down. Gerber uses Fiscars so theirs perform pretty well. But Leatherman made their scissors based on what they thought scissors are supposed to look like without any actual engineering.
I’ll try to remember that for future tests on scissors.
Leatherman = Really Good
Victorinox = Really Really Good
So, Victorinox > Leatherman
Bcos Victorinox has one extra 'Really'
Lol. Perhaps I should work on expanding my vocabulary for you.
In my experience victorinox scissors are far superior than leatherman scissors. My leatherman surge scissors used to cut paracord, but after a cut or two the scissors were too loose, and just fold over. I like leatherman's saws better. I do not like victorinox's both way design, it seems to hang up a lot more than a pull saw.
I am fucking your waifu and there's nothing you can do about it I haven’t experienced that issue with the Surge. I will admit that I don’t use my scissors very often, so that may be why I have never had any issues.
@@txtoolcrib Why'd you swear at him?
I didn’t, that’s his username.
Leatherman are my favourite brand, followed closely by Victorinox. I've recently purchased a Squirt PS4 and the scissors are absolute rubbish, they struggle badly to cut paracord and string, among other things. The same size victorinox scissors are awesome. Why can't leatherman make their scissors like that. The scissors on a multi-tool are one of the most important items to me, and i only have multi-tools that include scissors. The PS4 might as well not have any because they don't work. It's a big let down from leatherman considering they are the world's leading brand. And a big let down for me because i so much wanted to like the PS4 as it's a perfect keyring size and it goes everywhere with me.
I wish I had the answers for you. I agree that Victorinox makes better scissors, don't even think it can be debated.
Thanks for the info, I was considering getting a Squirt PS4 but in the end I decided against it, the pliers are just too small to be of any use for me, I need them for bike repairs on the road including changing wheels if an innertube bursts and needs changing, and the nuts are too big for the Squirt, Dime or any keychain multitool for that matter. Plus the Squirt is £40 ($50) here in the UK if you get lucky, normally it's more. So for the same money I got a SOG Microclip which is a bit bigger, more the size of a Juice, but a fraction of the price (they fetch more than $100 here!) plus a Victorinox Classic for scissors and tweezers, also the blade on that is fine for opening packages, and the blade on the SOG is 2 inches and good for bigger jobs...together they cost me £40. I also carry a larger SAK such as Farmer or Hiker so I have a saw, reamer and bigger blades to work with. Okay that 3-piece EDC combo does cost more than the Squirt and much more than a Gerber Dime but it's a much bigger better toolset. Getting a SAK Climber which has bigger scissors and will rotate and carry that with the SOG, and leave the Classic & Farmer/Hiker at home, if I don't want to carry a saw.
S2 can get a decent edge on a worksharp if you angle it right, I’ve had an S2 for 8 years now and was never impressed with the scissors, worse they shortened the blade length too. Still pretty much lower grade overall in comparison with Victorinox scissors.
SOG multitool scissors are garbage, replaced scissors on power lock with plain edge and a serrated edge, getting rid of the scissors and combination blade altogether.
I need to look at the Worksharp.
Only done on the juice series multitool as you can open them up fully
Where is Free P4 Scissors?
Andrew Pushkin I was going to put them in there, but I wanted to keep it even at 5 apiece without making an overly long video.
where is the nail test for scissors?
I guess I’m unusual. That isn’t a function I perform with scissors, I use regular clippers.
I don't agree at all, the Victorinox scissors always fold over for me, while the leatherman scissors (I use my Wave the most), don't do that! Also the spring of the Victorinox are such a bad design, I've lost a few of them!
Honestly, I don't think you have much real experience with these scissors, I've carried a Wave for over 15 years daily and have a couple of Victorinox's that I've used a lot and I never thought that those scissors are better, yes bigger but no not better.
Leatherman Raptor
A bit unfair for this comparison, but I take your point.
When he said that he was gonna compare scissors from 2 great companies I couldn’t agree more. Victorinox has been in the game a long time and so has leatherman. However I like leatherman better but still love and respect victorinox! 👌🏻👌🏻
I really don't see the point of having scissors on a knife if it's sharp.
Cutting templates would be one example. Often time cutting through tightened up zip ties is not that effective with a knife as well. There are so many instances where scissors will offer more cutting control than a blade. To each their own though.
I asked this question to a knife collector friend. His answer shut me up - try trimming your moustache with anything but scissors.
Trimming nosehairs. Cutting bits of skin off if you injure yourself. Cutting fingernails. Cutting bandages/plasters in first aid.
@@simonh6371 Trimming nosehairs? grab and pull or use a lighter lol
I just really dislike the way Victorinox tools look.
Because of the scales, or something else?
2 sec in and I know the the sak wins.
After watching video biggest disappointment has to be leatherman micra. Scissors based multitool but the scissors are crap.
Victorinox are the king of scissors...except those on the Spirit. The Spirit scissors are an abomination. They should have used standard Vic scissors in the Spirit. Other than the scissors the Spirit is the most ergonomic and pocketable multitool out there.
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This is a pointless video- every one of those scissors will cut 550 cord, unsupported, in one pass... with minimal sharpening;)
manufacturers should stop trying to be creative to design a whole bunch of inferior experimental sissors and stick with the best design LOL