Hello Luke, the ipad you were using, is that a 11 or 12.9?
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You don't need more than a Celeron Dual Core 2 GHz, 4 GB RAM, and 500 GB HDD for programming per se. But you do need 16GB of RAM for all the tabs open with the code you are copying.
That’s all you need for developing with compiled languages, Linux kernel development is viable on a raspberry Pi 3 after your first build because most of the binaries are already there. What kills is these JavaScript frameworks with debuggers that prohibits significant optimisation. The frameworks verbosely logging everything also makes memory caching for locality impossible so it fallbacks to slow DRAM.
If you by prorgramming you understand javascript css html, i use docker containers intellij, java postgresql on a daily basis and that kind of specs would be utterly bad
@@christianbaer2897 your point is well taken. As a developer today (admittedly, I do back end SOA work for an investment bank so it’s different) yes, you would do well to spend a few bucks for quality tools but there’s no immediate need for top end parts to get started, is what I was trying to say. Get started, then move up to better equipment.
@@AY-gf3jq Sure... and then you go out and buy what you need to. The point is, get started on what you have. Too many younger folks in school (high school, etc) still think you need top shelf stuff (for some bizarre reason). No one needs an M1 Max to get started - that Core i3 will do just fine. edit: I even extend this to gaming - some kids who ask about PC gaming start getting shock at the price; rightfully so. But what I encourage is don't worry about high end stuff. Don't worry about FPS and Overclocking right now. You can build a decent gaming rig with an AMD APU right now. I just want them to get started with tinkering with the mother board, case, CPU, etc and OS install - in my opinion, it's a much better alternative to plugging in a console. They can improve a gaming PC over time.
Im trying but its been a long time trying to find anyway to practice code on my Chromebook. I'll get a PC later but its from my school. I can learn but i need to practice coding and cant find anything
A friendly butt kicking is fun to see. Glad you both got as far as you did to show the device is not the ultimate answer. Using resources is the name of the game
This vid proof to me that a programmer won't know everything you will need to do some research on Google, and I have been suffering for importer syndrome for so long...now I'm over that. Thanks allot Alex for posting this video I really appreciated it.
This was very interesting. I too thought Alex would crush this. I'm going to try and complete this challenge myself; but without a timer 😀 I'm sure it will be very educational. As I've never worked in Angular or Vue. So good stuff.. Thanks guys!
That’s the difference between an experienced programmer Googling the function needed and make zero effort to the UI, and more frontend driven people downloading a template. The template may look better but licensing becomes ambiguous
This was really fun! I really appreciate that you were both competing against the clock, rather than each other. Alex: Luke's MBP is configured exactly like mine, and it's a $4900 machine, not $4000. I love it, but am unworthy of it.
So for the price the chrome book held it’s own. That’s the take away I got. Great video by the way it’s really making me think about which book is actually worth it for a beginner.
I have also programmed on Chromebook before as well with 32gb storage, 4 gb ram, and intel Celeron N4100. The experience programming on it was kinda terrible especially with React because Linux would crash often when I had Brave with a couple of tabs open and Vscode open, not mention that I also had Chrome open with tabs, which ended up chewing up most my Chromebook's ram. That's why I decided to order a Macbook.
You use a Chromebook with an Intel celeron and 4gb ram, of course it crashed with Linux. An optimal Chromebook for Linux usage is at least an Intel i3 or higher or an AMD processor, with 8gb of ram or more.
It would be interesting to see again a coding challenge between a Mac (M1) and a Chromebook (Plus), both hardware and OS have come a long way since this video was uploaded.
Good Advice. I'm using Xcode 12 on a MBP Mid-2012 model, running Catalina learning Ios development. Would I like an M1? Sure, but as you said, learn with that you got and make the best out of it.
Very nice idea, I’d like to see more of these! Thanks Alex. 💜 One thing about the $80 Chromebook, that price is not the whole picture. Because it’s running a Google OS, you’re also paying with your data mined “life”. It’s hard to put a price on that, but that damage definitely reflects a whole lot more than $80. Maybe not $4000, but something in between. So please avoid Chromebooks people. Get a used MacBook instead.
I am all for Apple products but they lock people in their expensive eco system with no freedom and monopoly of app store. They make the stuff un serviceable outside and they them self wont support it . I have a 2015 Macbook Air that is working perfectly but shows "service recommended" for battery . Took it to Apple support and they won't replace the battery nor provide a battery to us against payment and the good Macbook air has been made. "Legacy" this means I would have to scrap this when Battery dies out. Think of how bad is this for environment if every gadget, car , furniture we use is made obsolete by design. This is good for company shareholders but not for buyers, society or environment.
Also: if you don’t choose to do this, you can still sell it for a pretty good price to someone else who can fix this themselves, or just uses it on mains. You don’t have to write it off. Now try and use a 2015 Chromebook… you can’t, nor should (because of the security risks). That’s the real e-waste here.
Nah Chromebooks are fine and affordable and gets the job done, Macbooks locks you in to an ecosystem. besides whether it's Google, Apple or Microsoft, they all mine your data one way or another.
@@dawoodwilliams3652 Apple has way less incentive to mine your data because they get more than enough revenue from selling hardware and services. It is pretty well researched: the other companies you mentioned mine way more and more sensitive data than Apple does. On top of that your data is generally more secure because of the walled garden that Apple’s ecosystem is: it’s just less susceptible to malware and spyware.
Looking forward to having "home field advantage" in our next challenge!! #datascience
Just please don't kick my butt too bad, Alex... 😳
who kicked who’s butt? 😂
@@AZisk I mean, if you force Luke to do data science on a Chromebook...
Luke has pretty hefty data science skills!
Hello Luke, the ipad you were using, is that a 11 or 12.9?
You don't need more than a Celeron Dual Core 2 GHz, 4 GB RAM, and 500 GB HDD for programming per se. But you do need 16GB of RAM for all the tabs open with the code you are copying.
That’s all you need for developing with compiled languages, Linux kernel development is viable on a raspberry Pi 3 after your first build because most of the binaries are already there.
What kills is these JavaScript frameworks with debuggers that prohibits significant optimisation. The frameworks verbosely logging everything also makes memory caching for locality impossible so it fallbacks to slow DRAM.
HDD is so much suffering, a 120 GB ssd can be had for like 30 euros and is 10 times faster
If you by prorgramming you understand javascript css html, i use docker containers intellij, java postgresql on a daily basis and that kind of specs would be utterly bad
Some legends say that programmers should have to code on low-powered computers, and I agree. At least they should try to do it once a month.
@@JB-fh1bb Intel mindset
Videos like this do so much to demystify programming. You don’t need expensive equipment - you just need to start.
But the frustration you do not have with the expensive machine is somewhat important.
@@christianbaer2897 your point is well taken. As a developer today (admittedly, I do back end SOA work for an investment bank so it’s different) yes, you would do well to spend a few bucks for quality tools but there’s no immediate need for top end parts to get started, is what I was trying to say.
Get started, then move up to better equipment.
.....Until you start working on app that needs build.... Then you realize that having a decent setup is a must have.
@@AY-gf3jq Sure... and then you go out and buy what you need to. The point is, get started on what you have. Too many younger folks in school (high school, etc) still think you need top shelf stuff (for some bizarre reason).
No one needs an M1 Max to get started - that Core i3 will do just fine.
edit: I even extend this to gaming - some kids who ask about PC gaming start getting shock at the price; rightfully so. But what I encourage is don't worry about high end stuff. Don't worry about FPS and Overclocking right now. You can build a decent gaming rig with an AMD APU right now.
I just want them to get started with tinkering with the mother board, case, CPU, etc and OS install - in my opinion, it's a much better alternative to plugging in a console. They can improve a gaming PC over time.
Im trying but its been a long time trying to find anyway to practice code on my Chromebook. I'll get a PC later but its from my school. I can learn but i need to practice coding and cant find anything
I like this kind of challenge.
Hope there will be more different coding battle.
Only if Google interview was like this
Do I know what I’m watching: No
Am i enjoying it: Yes 😃
A friendly butt kicking is fun to see. Glad you both got as far as you did to show the device is not the ultimate answer. Using resources is the name of the game
This vid proof to me that a programmer won't know everything you will need to do some research on Google, and I have been suffering for importer syndrome for so long...now I'm over that. Thanks allot Alex for posting this video I really appreciated it.
Now, this is a collab that I don't expect. Thank you, guys!
This was very interesting. I too thought Alex would crush this. I'm going to try and complete this challenge myself; but without a timer 😀 I'm sure it will be very educational. As I've never worked in Angular or Vue. So good stuff.. Thanks guys!
it’s a fun one. good luck
The machine doesn't turn you into a developer, it's your knowledge (or the way you get the info and how you apply it, xD)
I hope you do something like this again in the future. I really enjoyed it.
Wait, how is supposed copy and pasting a whole todo app (with some styling too btw) be fair against actually coding it? 😅
Because that’s how you learn to program, and you’ll copy, paste, and adapt for a large percentage of your programming career.
That’s the difference between an experienced programmer Googling the function needed and make zero effort to the UI, and more frontend driven people downloading a template.
The template may look better but licensing becomes ambiguous
So basically it does not matter what kind of hardware you have as long as you can copy and paste everything off from SO! Nice! 8-)
This was really fun! I really appreciate that you were both competing against the clock, rather than each other. Alex: Luke's MBP is configured exactly like mine, and it's a $4900 machine, not $4000. I love it, but am unworthy of it.
So for the price the chrome book held it’s own. That’s the take away I got. Great video by the way it’s really making me think about which book is actually worth it for a beginner.
Great review.... And let me just say.... the production quality is great.
thanks
This was entertaining :) I'm a bit like Luke I've done some web dev for fun years ago but don't ask me to do much now.
I know the feeling of working on a slow computer. But was great after I bought latest laptops.
Great video 👍
What a good video! Awesome! Thanks for this. Really funny.
Nice video. I think more like this would be good to see.
Do you have a tutorial on debugging react. I would like a second video!! Cheers!!
I love this content, I feel like it is a good way to showcase how things actually get done when under pressure
I have also programmed on Chromebook before as well with 32gb storage, 4 gb ram, and intel Celeron N4100. The experience programming on it was kinda terrible especially with React because Linux would crash often when I had Brave with a couple of tabs open and Vscode open, not mention that I also had Chrome open with tabs, which ended up chewing up most my Chromebook's ram. That's why I decided to order a Macbook.
Which MacBook?
@@mickeyshahzad Macbook Air with M2
You use a Chromebook with an Intel celeron and 4gb ram, of course it crashed with Linux.
An optimal Chromebook for Linux usage is at least an Intel i3 or higher or an AMD processor, with 8gb of ram or more.
Thats was a fun video to watch. Thks Alex e Luke
You should have not shown that Chromebook to him 😂
This is interesting. Don't know what you guys are talking about, but very interesting.
This challenge relies on who is better in copy and paste xD
@11:54 someone is scratching their butt 😂
This was fun!
i really enjoyed this content, please make more contents like this one....yey
Cheap Computer, Pro Developer. The Series
It would be interesting to see again a coding challenge between a Mac (M1) and a Chromebook (Plus), both hardware and OS have come a long way since this video was uploaded.
Challenging other RUclips developers would be awesome
Geeks for geeks is an amazing resource.. I use it every day
The power of internet 😅😅😅 Luke.... 🤣
Really nice video, would like to see more challenges like this
This was a really cool challenge. subscribed.
Thanks 👍
No problem 👍
This is so intense
Awesome challenge, as a dev, I get to pick my own custom hardware. So I guess, I never have to use an underpower machine... Interesting perspective!
Good Advice. I'm using Xcode 12 on a MBP Mid-2012 model, running Catalina learning Ios development. Would I like an M1? Sure, but as you said, learn with that you got and make the best out of it.
Good motivator
Love from India 🇮🇳
I'm seeing here the demonstration of what developer used to do 😅🤣🤣🤣. Searching on sites and copy paste 😂😂😂😂
I like this kind of videos
Is a motive
Heyyy
I use a Chromebook too. 😅
Fun stuff 👍
Lesson here is to use Stackoverflow for everything 😉
it would have been cooler if you created a web component/library then consume it on angular vue react
Fire.
Pride got into my way and I decided to.......
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Lesson learned.
Keep up with the videos Alex
Is Alex still using Apple IPhone 3G earphones? :)
yep. I’ve the courage to keep a wires set around :)
It would be interesting to re-run this using equal hardware but not allowing Alex to google / copy / paste any code.
For 6k video editing on the MacBook Pro 16 M1 Max, is 32gb enough ram or should I go for 64gb?
The ipad that @luke Varousse is using, is that a 11 or 12.9?
This is hilarious 😆
And I bet you do more complicated things at work and simple things are harder now, xD
The chromebook is wayyyy better than my 300 dollar pc
So, the price of the computer really matters!
Valeu!
These days, can you do it faster than ChatGPT!!!??? 🤣
Do Chrome books have local installation now?
there is a subset of chromebooks that allow developer mode, where they expose linux
The guy just activate copy past mode xD
So mac makes you a better coder 😁
instantly:)
Ahh. Yes.. The age before chatgpt.
No chatgpt existed not 4 not 3 but 2 or older
so even pros google stuff then copy from geeks4geeks!
that’s how i code :)
@@AZisk this makes me feel better thanks XD
Very nice idea, I’d like to see more of these! Thanks Alex. 💜
One thing about the $80 Chromebook, that price is not the whole picture.
Because it’s running a Google OS, you’re also paying with your data mined “life”.
It’s hard to put a price on that, but that damage definitely reflects a whole lot more than $80.
Maybe not $4000, but something in between.
So please avoid Chromebooks people. Get a used MacBook instead.
I am all for Apple products but they lock people in their expensive eco system with no freedom and monopoly of app store. They make the stuff un serviceable outside and they them self wont support it . I have a 2015 Macbook Air that is working perfectly but shows "service recommended" for battery . Took it to Apple support and they won't replace the battery nor provide a battery to us against payment and the good Macbook air has been made. "Legacy" this means I would have to scrap this when Battery dies out. Think of how bad is this for environment if every gadget, car , furniture we use is made obsolete by design. This is good for company shareholders but not for buyers, society or environment.
@@gsnayak06 I'd just take it somewhere else or look up a repair guide and DIY. It's not a complicated repair.
Also: if you don’t choose to do this, you can still sell it for a pretty good price to someone else who can fix this themselves, or just uses it on mains. You don’t have to write it off.
Now try and use a 2015 Chromebook… you can’t, nor should (because of the security risks). That’s the real e-waste here.
Nah Chromebooks are fine and affordable and gets the job done, Macbooks locks you in to an ecosystem.
besides whether it's Google, Apple or Microsoft, they all mine your data one way or another.
@@dawoodwilliams3652 Apple has way less incentive to mine your data because they get more than enough revenue from selling hardware and services. It is pretty well researched: the other companies you mentioned mine way more and more sensitive data than Apple does. On top of that your data is generally more secure because of the walled garden that Apple’s ecosystem is: it’s just less susceptible to malware and spyware.
Hi bear Grylls
a web development challenge is NOT a programming challenge smh
buy a Ferrari instead of a cheap honda City 😜