Sounds really ahead of its time and it is truly peculiar. It saddens me to know that Hans Rott died so young and so ill; I wonder how wonderful and impactful his legacy would have been...
@@BetonBrutContemporary It still would have been a lot nicer if Mahler actually publicly credited Rott for the musical ideas he took. It's not like he was quoting Beethoven or some well-known folk song, because Rott was (and still is) one of the most obscure composers from the 19th century. He never even performed his music (even though he may have at one point considered doing so, but still). It was only until a couple decades or so ago at most that we actually learned where that theme came from. If he was just going to take entire melodies and harmonic progressions from Rott and put it in his own music, he should have at least said so in public. Most people probably will never hear this quartet, but they are far more likely to hear the Adagietto. Seems to me like a lot more than just paying homage.
Budding talent, brought down by Johannes Brahms. I think Brahms was a great composer, but his attitude toward his contemporaries leaves a lot to be desired.. This is great music... very advanced for 1876. Thanks for the upload..
Hans Rott was in a desperate situation at that time. According to the Hans Rott website (in an article by Walter Weidringer), he was in dire financial straits, and was already struggling to find prominent supporters in Vienna, besides his own teacher Bruckner. As a result, his last resort to find success in Vienna was to apply for a government grant, and his works were to be judged by an official jury, which included Karl Goldmark, Eduard Hanslick, and of course, Johannes Brahms. It was here that Brahms told him off. Afterwards, Rott's last opportunity was to be a musical director in a provincial town in Alsace-Lorraine, and he would have to leave Vienna. It was on this train ride to the town that Rott experienced his psychotic break, and afterwards was institutionalized. He was despondent, and physically extremely ill during his last months, and even destroyed the manuscript of his String Sextet in his bitterness for the world. Ironically, it was while Rott was institutionalized that he actually did receive the government grant - which at this point was useless to him. That's not to say that Brahms did not act disgracefully towards Rott, because he most certainly did. Even by 19th-century standards, his behavior was abhorrent, and there was absolutely no justification for him to treat Rott like that, even if he wasn't in such a desperate situation. He may have been nice to other composers like Dvorak, but he absolutely was vile to Rott.
Wunderschöne und spannende Interpretation dieses einzigartig konstruierten doch perfekt komponierten Streichquartetts im veränderlichen Tempo mit seidigen doch zugleich ein bisschen neue-sachlichen Tönen aller Instrumente. Der zweite Satz klingt besonders schön und auch melodisch. Die intime und perfekt entsprechhende Miteinanderwirkung zwischen den vier Virtuosen ist wahrlich ergreifend. Wunderbar und atemberaubend zugleich!
People are mentioning Brahms and Wagner as inspiration for the first movement's opening, but I feel like at least as strong as an inspiration must be Mozart's "dissonance" quartet, K. 465!
@@remomazzetti8757 i feel that in context, the dissonance in this opening is more striking than Wagner because it is so bare. Don't get me wrong about Wagner but I feel this is what bag3lmonst3r is commenting on
The intro and the first subject of movement 1 is very interesting. But i think it is not fully developed. It is just repeated and at some time slowed down for changing the mood. No climax in development section. Compare the movement to the one of fifth symphony from beethoven. Beethoven's is full of repeated motive but it has a drama and climax. I have loved Rott' symphony no.1 very much so expected something special from this movement. Anyway the intro section and the beginning of the allegro are interesting indeed.
It sure seems like it!! Even in Rott's other works like the Symphony in E major, you can hear things that Mahler picked up in his later music. Admittedly, apparently this was something both Mahler and Rott did with each others' music while they were still studying together, but Mahler seems to have kept doing it long after Rott's death.
it is a hommage to his flatmate, who has immense potential died in a very young age, than stealing moreover, bruckner and mahler are his greatest supports and they both attended his funeral, as per wiki
@@bartjebartmans It's the anonymous person who's been copyright striking a lot of score video channels. Several major ones have been taken down because of M. It's a scary situation for score video channels right now.
Sounds really ahead of its time and it is truly peculiar. It saddens me to know that Hans Rott died so young and so ill; I wonder how wonderful and impactful his legacy would have been...
agreed! the opening is quite striking
direct pre echos of the adagio from Mahler 5 @13:40
Plagerism?
What potential Hans had
So much great music not written
It actually pain me
Mental illness is a destroyer
omg thank you so much, I was looking for sheet music to this for a long time
Amazing Scherzo. Totally original.
13:36 OOOOOOH YES (would be used in) MAHLER 5
ahahah you're right
@Bazukin Belyugovich just paying hommage to his late flatmate i guess and its wholesome in a way
@@BetonBrutContemporary It still would have been a lot nicer if Mahler actually publicly credited Rott for the musical ideas he took. It's not like he was quoting Beethoven or some well-known folk song, because Rott was (and still is) one of the most obscure composers from the 19th century. He never even performed his music (even though he may have at one point considered doing so, but still). It was only until a couple decades or so ago at most that we actually learned where that theme came from. If he was just going to take entire melodies and harmonic progressions from Rott and put it in his own music, he should have at least said so in public. Most people probably will never hear this quartet, but they are far more likely to hear the Adagietto. Seems to me like a lot more than just paying homage.
A true copy from Mahler... the Adagietto!!!
Budding talent, brought down by Johannes Brahms. I think Brahms was a great composer, but his attitude toward his contemporaries leaves a lot to be desired..
This is great music... very advanced for 1876. Thanks for the upload..
Just looked at the wiki page... how tragic.
Brahms was very kind to Dvorak, though.
Hans Rott was in a desperate situation at that time. According to the Hans Rott website (in an article by Walter Weidringer), he was in dire financial straits, and was already struggling to find prominent supporters in Vienna, besides his own teacher Bruckner. As a result, his last resort to find success in Vienna was to apply for a government grant, and his works were to be judged by an official jury, which included Karl Goldmark, Eduard Hanslick, and of course, Johannes Brahms. It was here that Brahms told him off. Afterwards, Rott's last opportunity was to be a musical director in a provincial town in Alsace-Lorraine, and he would have to leave Vienna. It was on this train ride to the town that Rott experienced his psychotic break, and afterwards was institutionalized. He was despondent, and physically extremely ill during his last months, and even destroyed the manuscript of his String Sextet in his bitterness for the world. Ironically, it was while Rott was institutionalized that he actually did receive the government grant - which at this point was useless to him.
That's not to say that Brahms did not act disgracefully towards Rott, because he most certainly did. Even by 19th-century standards, his behavior was abhorrent, and there was absolutely no justification for him to treat Rott like that, even if he wasn't in such a desperate situation. He may have been nice to other composers like Dvorak, but he absolutely was vile to Rott.
Hans Rott was not a contemporarist composer.
Brahms didn't kill Rott
Mental illness did
There will always be obstacles and challenges in Rott's way
Wunderschöne und spannende Interpretation dieses einzigartig konstruierten doch perfekt komponierten Streichquartetts im veränderlichen Tempo mit seidigen doch zugleich ein bisschen neue-sachlichen Tönen aller Instrumente. Der zweite Satz klingt besonders schön und auch melodisch. Die intime und perfekt entsprechhende Miteinanderwirkung zwischen den vier Virtuosen ist wahrlich ergreifend. Wunderbar und atemberaubend zugleich!
« Crecido vino un sol flotando, radiantes se le enfrentaron alma y alma, claras, imperiosas silenciaron su órbita » (Paul Celan, "La rosa de nadie" ).
People are mentioning Brahms and Wagner as inspiration for the first movement's opening, but I feel like at least as strong as an inspiration must be Mozart's "dissonance" quartet, K. 465!
Curious work, Reger-like in some harmonic progressions, and Bruckneresque in form. Thanks for sharing.
good idea for me. thank you very much🙏🌱☘🌹
JAVID: Meditation Composer -- What's a Good Idea for you? Composing like Rott? Or just admitting yourself to a sanatorium? I mean, Voluntarily?
@@steveegallo3384 Maybe to write or paint, if one is in its best mood, something good has to come out.
A great listen. Better than Brahms and his symphony is the best ever in my opinion,
Dissonant start. Rather unusual for 1876.
Not really. Try Tristan and the Ring Cycle: that's where Rott got all the chromaticism.
It reminds me of the 1st Symphony by Brahms, wich also came out in 1876, if my memory is correct.
@@remomazzetti8757 i feel that in context, the dissonance in this opening is more striking than Wagner because it is so bare. Don't get me wrong about Wagner but I feel this is what bag3lmonst3r is commenting on
@@alexandar.jovanovic The same year of the first Bayreuth Festival which Wagner's full Ring Cycle was premiered, I read that Rott attended there.
Check out the beginning of Mozart's K. 465--I'd be surprised if it weren't ringing in Rott's ears!
The intro and the first subject of movement 1 is very interesting. But i think it is not fully developed. It is just repeated and at some time slowed down for changing the mood. No climax in development section. Compare the movement to the one of fifth symphony from beethoven.
Beethoven's is full of repeated motive but it has a drama and climax.
I have loved Rott' symphony no.1 very much so expected something special from this movement. Anyway the intro section and the beginning of the allegro are interesting indeed.
Yes, it is very much like a study work and not fully mature. Lacks in organic development, and is rather unsecure in the use of the instruments.
okay, so @18:24 i hear mahler adagietto big time!!! and this was composed before Mahler 5! did Mahler steal this? especially @18:41
It sure seems like it!!
Even in Rott's other works like the Symphony in E major, you can hear things that Mahler picked up in his later music. Admittedly, apparently this was something both Mahler and Rott did with each others' music while they were still studying together, but Mahler seems to have kept doing it long after Rott's death.
it is a hommage to his flatmate, who has immense potential died in a very young age, than stealing
moreover, bruckner and mahler are his greatest supports and they both attended his funeral, as per wiki
C'est dans le dernier mouvement que je retrouve le mieux mon Rott.
Did you hear about the M incident? You might want to be cautious/archive.
What is the M incident?
@@bartjebartmans It's the anonymous person who's been copyright striking a lot of score video channels. Several major ones have been taken down because of M. It's a scary situation for score video channels right now.
@@bartjebartmans yep. Even big names such as Cmaj7 and Gsarci are on the verge, so some caution is necessary
EDIT: Gsarci got terminated
Why A-flat in 1. violin bar 5?
And the same in bar 11. Why not b-flat?
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