MLK Wasn't A Great Man.... Because He CHEATED.
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He cheated with a whole white woman. That’s the only reason he fought so hard for “equality“🤔
Lmaooooooooooo Yall would spit in the face of the man who freed you from slavery if you found out he sniffed white pusssay. Ol Crazy Ass.
We can all tell that you were definitely held back a few times.
Pin of same.
@@AbaNPreach 😭😭😭
Damn that’s fast! The Pin of Shame has been awarded to Nomi Nomi! Any words for you award of sheer dumbassery!
No matter how great of a hero you think you are, you are a villain in somebody's story
Big facts
& once you embrace the fact that you can be good or evil in someone’s eyes, you realize how little someone feels about you matters, & how you feel about yourself is more important.
Being respected is better than being liked.
He was a sad excuse for a Husband and a sad excuse for a leader
@@carriesims9325 so sad that there's a holiday based on his legacy. So sad that he's constantly being used as the prime example of a unifier. So sad that he had to be assassinated by his country's government. So sad that he is recognized by many across the world. Once again you prove my point.
@@carriesims9325 Speak for yourself
Being African American and questioning MLK character in 2022 while you enjoy all the rights he fought for is absolutely INSANE.
Tell me about it
LOLZ, the crazy thing is I NEVER see any other group tear down their own like African-Americans do. With all the messed up ish Columbus did you can't find a Italian willing to say anything else
People can be thankful for something and appreciate the good someone did while still calling out their lack of moral integrity. He did good of course. And any sane person is beyond thankful for that. It doesn't mean he was good though. Bad ppl can do good things. Good people are extremely rare. Good people do good without the intentional actions or using abusing and harming others. That's the difference. You feel offended by someone defining you by your sins but not enough to stop doing them. So you want them to call you and him good. I don't know why. No matter what anyone calls you myself or him it doesn't change the good or bad any of us have done. But if we chose to do wrong we are wrong. If we chose to do bad we are bad. Good ppl ONLY chose to do good. You don't need to hold a title you don't fulfill. Just accept that you him and most people aren't good; if you aren't willing to put in the constant effort and care it takes to be good.
Being African American means you sweep all inconsistencies under the rug because a person did one thing you like. The moral compass in the African American Community is hypocrisy in its self. A pastor cheating is nothing 🥴
💯 facts!
He had a moral failure in his family, but he did great things. We cannot keep tearing people down in this way because we all have flaws...NO ONE IS PERFECT!
Exactly. For all that he did to advance civil rights, he was human, and was therefore imperfect.
It should be known that he cheated, because it will help people stop putting him on a pedestal, stop making him out to be the perfect human. He did some good things, he did some bad things. As do all humans.
Beating a woman is a tad bit more than not being perfect. Watching a teenager get raped is just disgusting. MLK is lucky he’s dead. If either of those women were related to
Me his death wouldn’t have been so quick and a whole hell
Of a lot more painful
@@joshsmith3972 Citation for both, please.
@@jamesdavis9036 Georgia Davis Powell (RIP), former Kentucky State Senator and MLK Jr confidant, wrote about their affair in her autobiography. Allegedly, the govt has recordings the night before his assassination with him being with a white woman. The family has fought many years to keep the tapes from being released to protect King's legacy.
@Thorsffin fuck MLK. He was scumbag. If you think he gave a shit about the black
Community you’re either extremely uneducated in regards to who he actually was or you’re delusional.
"Lemme check if this doctor cheated on his wife, who is about to do my open heart surgery to save my life" Said no one ever
at all smh
Y’all the same ones who bash jada Pinkett for her entanglement with august y’all are some hypocrites period
@@sagba9473 MLK did shit to help human civil rights. JPS is a woman who married a famous celebrity to ride his coat Tails for years. Not comparable at all.
@@gamemediafan1714 so jada wasn’t playing in movies before will set it off, a different world, low down dirty shame stop the cap
@@sagba9473 That's not an actual argument. One of them is a mere celebrity actress, the other one helped so many people in Human Rights.
B Simone has a lot of nerve claiming Dr. King wasn't a good person.
Especially when you consider she put out a self-help book that she sold to her fans that looked like a cheap magazine. Also, that "book" was filled with mental health tips and different material that other people came up with and she got sued for it.
She boiled a legendary civil rights leader and activist who helped change the course of history, to a cheater. Then I guess we can take her status as a celebrity and entertainer and just call her a thief, by her logic.
Bird brain activity.
🤣🤣
She was the same person drooling over Da Baby and how Danileigh is so blessed to be Dominican and his choice of woman to be with. Da Baby was also cheating and back and forth with many women. Where’s the logic police with B Simone 🤦🏿♀️
Idiots having idiot conversations....honestly
@@allmylifeihadtofight9815 LETS GO 👉😬👈
Lmao holy shit! I didn't know this! This makes her rant even dumber!🤣🤣
The fact that we actually have black people questioning MLK while at the same time enjoying the work of his labor is absolutely mind boggling this generation is so fucked.
Black Privilege ...kkkkkkkkkkk
Most of MLK’s detractors wouldn’t risk a fingernail for freedom or anything else. Yet they require perfection from those in the arena…disgusting simple minded hypocrites.
Dont make it generational. You prefer the racist, sexist people of past generations? Idiots come in all ages. Always have.
@@MrWolfy08 y'all white clowns really need to stop fist pumping us to prove your racist mindsets, you constantly defend white men getting caught doing dirt and expect us to be sympathetic
Funny he died for nothing or I think maybe he was wrong and Brother Malcolm was right or half and half really. MLK got used in the in to tame black folk.
It's okay to admire someone for having a strength in one area while acknowledging that they have weaknesses in others. This is why the idea of cancelling someone for one specific weakness or imperfection is ridiculous because we would be cancelling literally every single person on this earth.
truth
Best take right here
Right, including everyone who has ever lived up to about ten years ago. People really did have different moral systems back in time, doesn't mean they were horrible folks.
Depends on what that 1 Instance is though
I found that people who really loves digging other people's past, looking at other people's garbages, then cancelling everybody, usually are hypocrites.
It's not only MLK, some people even cancelling Jesus rn. That's how f up our generation is.
But hey, people who's talk too much, complaining and bitching a lot, usually are the most useless person.
Heroes are also human, so they're not perfect, but they've done something big to help and inspiring people. Some even changed the world map and making histories. And you expecting people like that wouldn't make any mistakes, stumble down or fallen once in their life, having regrets, and all?
As a non American, this is beyond mind boggling to me. The level of entitled you need to be, to not recognize your own privilege.
Even as an American, yes. Saddest part is that I am unfazed.
Imagine being so revolutionary that you get assassinated and then the people you helped just talk shit about you once you're in the grave
The equivalent of Superman rescuing someone and getting accused of sexual assault during the rescue. Some bs.
@@genlaz1 lmfao
Yeah he cheated, what's my source.
The FBI.
What's their source... they made it the Fx🤬ck up!
@@genlaz1 that actually happened. A man saved a women from drowning and she accused him. Look it up. He said" I should of let her die" lmaoo 😂
@@houseofhas9355 I like helping ppl but you gotta be careful now. One hand asking for assistance while the other holds a knife.
There's a difference between 'greatness' and perfection. She's looking for perfection and that's not a human capability. If you invalidate every revolutionary person based on a few human character flaws then we will have ZERO persons to celebrate or look up to.
Perfect answer 👌 👏
You don’t have to like everything Martin did but fact is you can like most of what he did. Matter of fact these stupid a b’s are benefiting from his hard work right now
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I don't think wanting your partner not to cheat is looking for "perfection". Your comment is great tho, it's just that with the context, it gets weird, it's kinda funny that you put it like that. xD
Well, except maybe Jesus Christ
This is why the 19th amendment should be abolished.
I SWEAR TO GAWD POINTLESS ASS TOPIC
Facts
If only the weirdos from Call Her Daddy took that lesson
Honestly.... Who listens to this garbage?
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I was disappointed when I found out MLK cheated but a lot of great historical figures we respect have done something we wouldn't agree with. No such thing as perfection.
No one said anything about perfection. Big difference between perfection and not being a bad person who disrespects their spouse in the worst way.
Nothing to do with perfection, just basic morals
@@missNCW people aren't owned. My ex-husband cheated on me. I don't own him. He was free to make that choice and we didn't stay together because it's not something I would do. It doesn't mean he's morally bankrupt. Our relationship just didn't mean as much to him. He's a good person despite that. Real problems exist and if someone cheats on you it just means they're not the one. Move on.
@@anaamore6907 nah men can cheat if they’re high value enough, MLK can cheat that niggah is important.
@@missNCW You and those other women have no idea at all what went on in his life his reasons how his wife truly felt about it how she saw him after that how he felt about it. It still doesnt change what he did if someone saves lives but then also makes a mistake they could even regret and feel shame for they still saved human lives
The tapes won't likely be released until 2027, right? So how will we have this verified?
The fact they couldn’t even say more than “not a great husband” or “not a great communicator,” is proof enough that she was struggling to find things to flame MLK for. What a reach. Yikes.
There is MORE tho. She just doesn’t know any civil rights history past that. The cheating a reach but MLK had questionable things outside of that tho
MLK was not a good communicator?
The speech during the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom would say otherwise. These girls are buggin'
Deadass
she def need to stretch first next time oof
We all recite his speech decades after he gave it.... I would say that falls under great communicator category lol
It’s HILARIOUS, how a characteristic of a good father is “respecting the mother”… yet…
Sooooooo many mothers will openly disrespect their children’s fathers in front of their children, on social media, and on a regular basis. And scream at the highest volumes how great of a mother they are… shits wild
A good father is a father who takes care of his children regardless of the woman. It is not up to the father to respect the mother if they are not together. And please believe when she's saying respect she's not talking about how he speaks or how he treats a female they're talking about whatever they want he gives regardless of their together or not. if he doesn't he's not able to see his children
Parents having a good relationship and modeling that is one of the best things parents can do for their kids. Even if you're broken up, you need to be civil because the kids are still half the other parent. My dad's ex was awful but he never talked shit in front of my half-siblings.
Very true Lol
@@n1sugarbaby69 can't do that when from the very beginning the father doesn't have a right to decide, your body your choice right. Also women can make it hard or impossible for a man to take care of his child. So your "no matter the woman" is complete bullshit when you have females openly disobeying and disrespecting men.
Those are called toxic relationships.
I appreciate you guys for addressing this. It really seems like we want all of our past role models to be perfect. What he did was wrong. However, it shouldn’t diminish his character completely. He was still an incredible human being and is part of the reason black people have more rights today.
George Washington was a great human being then....
Let's keep it 💯
Yea but these women are not children. What's scary is to think they might be raising children. Perhaps what we need is some roll reversal. Men get custody and women pay child support. And have to put the kids on their health insurance. And have to pay half of all medical expenses and child care if both are working. Of course the man gets the house. If your place of work closes and you can't pay support they will charge you 9% interest. If you try to get support lowered cause you new job pays less the court will tell you to get a second job. Try not to get cancer cause if you get sick and can't work for 2 yrs you'll owe 20 thousand when you get better and will have to pay 9% interest on that while you pay it down and continue to pay child support. That is assuming the court didn't put you in jail already cause you couldn't pay in which you would have died from not getting your chemo. I am sure you will enjoy all the privileges I get for being a man. But do t worry I am quite sure that with hard work and perseverance we will become as tough as women.
@@michaelwaninger3155 some people don’t want to acknowledge the reality of living as a man. It’s not easy. I can’t speak entirely on that, but I have male relatives who have struggled in a “man’s” world. We all have our struggles despite our gender. I wish certain women saw it that way.
Exactly.
Yeah but it’s more than that, he never cheated on his wife the FBI made it up to discredit him and they admitted it. They tapped his phone for years and found nothing. The woman he allegedly “cheated” with was an evangelist who he grew up with that prayed with him at night and she was married. They never met in person only prayers through the phone. MLK was a real deal Christian which people conveniently love to forget. He was REVEREND Dr Martin Luther King jr who was a pastor just like his father. We gave him the name activist, but he never saw himself as such. If he he deed cheated on him wife it would have 100% discredited him because he claimed to be a holy man (ie a pastor) and that’s the exact reason why they lied. The truth is these two women are 100% right if he infact cheated on his wife because he was claiming holiness, but they are wrong because he never cheated on her.
“Social media made you all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.” - Iron Mike Tyson
"he wasn't a great man because he had human flaws" is the crux of this kind of argument.
"he should've been faithful and let us drink out of seperate water fountains til this day" is what she sounds like....she's an agent of white supremacy
keep the same energy when a lady cheats to cause she could be a good person just not a good wife
Preaching like she’s helped the world and is “greater” than MLK because he cheated and she’s NEVER done anything she knew to be wrong or regretted. SMH 🤦♂️
maybe she is just a crazy lady who has love life issues
WORD!!!!
This is one of those moments where a person is trying to sound profound or make some great point, but they're really just making themselves look like an idiot
Exactly
Facts 😭😭💯💯
They just have too much time with themselves, MLK is rolling in his grave.
Absolutely!!!!
There are no great people, just people who have accomplished great things.
Agreed
That's the quote. Spot on. On the nail.
Huh this makes no sense this is one of them things that sounds deep but when you actually listen to it is dumb
@@nottodayimbusy7146 why?
@@nottodayimbusy7146 it just means that people who accomplish great things aren’t infallible, and that we aren’t a sum total of our actions. Ie: MLK did great things for the civil rights movement but maybe he wasn’t a great husband, doesn’t take away from his accomplishments and vice versa just because of what he’s done we shouldn’t put him on a pedestal. It’s just pithier.
You can be two things at once. You can be a great leader that's a pivotal part of history, and a cheating scumbag. Humans are complicated.
That’s what so many people today don’t get. They can’t or don’t want to comprehend it. It’s either all or nothing to them
He was not a cheating scum bag. None of this is true. Coretta was a classy good woman.
Bingo 🎯.
He never cheated. That’s the thing.
@@saultzwtheking1955 but who cares if he did. Screw MLK the man. its his MESSAGE that was powerful. All this does is distract from that message.
Damn these ladies must have not done anything wrong in their entire lives to be able to judge a deadman that fought for their rights.
Say that shit again
I think they're over projecting tbh they were cheated so now every man is bad and not great even Mr. King
Since when is it a problem to call out cheaters?
@@nightfighter7452 since when can you do it and have no proof, put the source out so we all can see it, if you have it.
@@nightfighter7452 when you're trying to discredit MLK dummy....matter fact remove berlin from your pfp
As a Mexican American, watching this makes me feel like I am in the twilight zone. MLK said he wants to live in a country were people judge his kids not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. These beautiful black women saying he is not great because he cheated are misinformed. Stop looking for perfection in a man cause you will never find it, just like men will never find a perfect woman. And pay attention to everything MLK did for the African American community and how his fight for civil rights gave you the right to make this podcast. Yes MLK was a GREAT leader because thanks to him and his followers you are still till this day reaping the benefits of their fight.
Bottom line: Generations who benefit from the sacrifices of previous generations are thankless and ungrateful.
There is n't actually proof that he cheated on his wife because it was known very well that the FBI were putting out lies to sabotage MLK. Now the comments these ladies made is a perfect example of what black men deal with in our community. Our Ladies don't respect any men great or small and they talk about us like dogs. This is a big reason why only 26% of them are married. It doesn't matter how pretty they are they are combative argumentative and won't respect you no matter how successful or great you are.
DIGALE HERMANO!!!!!!
That's right. Black and Brown unite 🤝
Without MLK where would these “ladies” be?
He fought...for this audacity.
"Stop holding mfs in a pedestal"
Pretty much this. MLK and all the other people that fought for equality, people's rights etc, guess what? THEY'RE PEOPLE. Like you and me. They all have unresolved issues, all have flaws, feel fear, cold, loneliness... That also applies to the artists you follow. Musicians, streamers, actors, comedians... guess what? We're all people.
Stop deifying people.
Seriously. I stopped idolizing people and never felt better. I'm not worrying about what's going on in their lives like many people do because I have MY OWN trials and tribulations.
You’re right. We can find fault with ANYONE if we look hard enough. Do we really want a society with no heroes. I can appreciate and celebrate what MLK did while realizing that cheating on his wife was a bad thing. Many of the heroes in the Bible did horrible things too.
@@andrewferguson8032 Paul can relate
That's deep.
Anyway
Facts! We all fall short!
-That firefighter rescued 5 children from the burning house.
-he cheated on his wife
-*sighs* *throws children in the fire*
We all fall short one way or the other. My father was a great teacher and one of your most influential educational administrators but he was not a good Father. His students think his kids are so lucky but we struggled through life and are still paying for a debt we didn't incur. I for one, know now that it doesn't make him the worst and I can't hold it against him. A lot of hurt somewhere but he was a great man.
He wasn't
Separating the art, from the artist is a very good skill to practice. It applies to prominent historical figures as well. Ghandi is another great example of this. From all accounts he was pretty awful towards his wife and family, but freed literally millions of people from British oppressions. A lot of the time, the people that do the most good for a lot others, can actually be quite shitty to the people in their personal life. Not in every case obviously though.
Men cheating is not big deal. Men do the deed with out feelings because it's available, easy, at the time, they have higher s3x drive than women at end they go home to the women they love. This why Islam allows for men to marry up to 4 wives if he can afford it. One women for the rest m
A man is never enough, it's in their nature. Set all men free✊🏾
😆 dkm u serious? Lol
I don't know about that. R Kelly is nasty and if you still knowingly listen to his music, you're also weird imo.
I like how in your account of Ghandi you ignore his racist views of black people. Also what he did with his niece..
@ICECOLD EDWARD G TRIPLE OG did they also do some pedo stuff?
People half-ass empathy. When they say, "put yourself in their shoes," it should really be, "stand in their shoes." Empathy ain't about you, it's about understanding people, which requires taking into account the totality of one's circumstances. Their upbringing, their hardships, what they know and don't know, their interpersonal relationships.
"If I was her, I know-" shut up, you're not. Nobody cares about what you'd do, you clearly didn't care about what she was thinking, and the difficult choices that entailed. ffs.
The difference between standing and putting yourself in someone’s shoes is a great distinction
People throw the word empathy around a lot, but they don't know what it actually means. None of the people that talks about being empathic is really. Simple.
As someone who studied psychology to pursue counseling, you’re not wrong.
@@MrReset94 So true. Thank you.
Seems like an issue between him and God and him and his wife. Ever read the account about King David? He was a complicated man but God still loved and forgave him. We are FLAWED. I've made mistakes and people tried to belittle me for them. That's not fair yo.
Didn’t care they were discussing his cheating (which still to this day has no source). However the moment they even attempted to discredit his work because of this was cringe as fuck to see.
They’re talking like he killed someone 💀 yo we really live in the worst timeline.
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Barry done messed up the timeline
OMG so true. We live in a terrible alternative reality.
@Boom bow You....are not wrong at all.
The fbi released a transcript of audio surveillance in a transcript it’s rough to say the least if true
A civil rights advocate who literally put their life on the line vs a instagram entrepreneur. Now sis 🤦🏽♀️
It's called being a human being. Something something about rocks and glass houses. He did more than all of us will ever do in our entire lives (he was killed so he couldve done more if he was still alive) and for the betterment of all race relations. He's a fucking hero period and if he was still alive he'd be ashamed asf of how far we as a whole have fallen and he'd have every right to. No unity solidarity and we're out here killing each other and tearing each other down. He'd lose his shit forreal.
Part of me believes that its because of intersectionality that those male figures are being dragged through the mud despite accomplishments most of us can't even dream of
Hes more than a hero, he's a monolith for all future human rights leaders
@@porkbellycutlets427 exactly he became a symbol essentially
@@Keln02 its absolutely because of intersectionality if not directly then indirectly.. blm for instance has the direct opposite of ideals compared to mlk
I'll do you one better, it's called being an animal. Monogamy and Marriage is something only we human beings practice and for no one's benefit but women.
Seeing you two deconstructing and trashing this absurd discussion is a great birthday gift for me.
Also good to see you gentlemen on the screen again ! C’etais plate sans vous.
Joyeux anniversaire !
Happy birthday
Thanks et merci folks
happy birthday man!
Happy birthday!! 🍾
This is ego overriding reality. Bill Burr's sketch about Arnold Schwarzenegger not being a great man because he cheated on his wife is literally the epitome of how goofy this thought process is to have.
"How many lifetimes would it take for you to accomplish what he accomplished? Fuck a maid in my bed? That's a layup!"
That was a legendary comedy bit. Ppl trying to discredit Arnold was so ridiculous
If you cheat you aren’t a great man. You can change after, you can’t not allow someone to improve, but at the time, it makes you a bad person. You light to do food for others, but the person you swore to care another and do good the most to, that says more about you on a personal level.
@@lada8744 Get of your high horse cupcake.
@@lada8744 you sound like a child
This is what entitled stupidity sounds like. A person can be great while having flaws. Even some of those lauded as saints had horrid personalities or behaviors
I’m glad you touched up on the over exaggeration on the cheating part. The man could’ve done a whole heinous crime, but the thing they’re worried about is the cheating. Now yes, being cheated on definitely comes with some psychological burdens, I get that, but the man has already passed away and you wanna debate whether or not he’s a good person due to him cheating? What century are we living in? 🥴
They tried to destroy Tiger over his cheating scandal as well lol. It's hilarious.
That’s something dumb people do nowadays, did the same thing to Columbus, people are messed up but how are you gonna call his greatness into question when you’re profiting from it as you speak that nonsense lol
Plus they don't know if it was cheating. There are woomen who agree to let their man play outside,just don't track mud inside. No one knows their marriage and can't speak for them. They can't prove he cheated and having dex doesn't equal cheat if its openly mentiin. Plus, no one gives a shit what woomen think lol.
I don't see what him being dead has to do with it. Like we're only allowed to talk about the positive things after someone dies.
@@nightfighter7452 I hope that's not all you got from that whole comment lmao
I think also goes to show the level of "HOLIER-THAN-THOU" mentality of today. EVERYONE has flaws and messed up somewhere in their life. But the fact that people can't even accept an apology shows how little compassion there is anymore. You know if something happened in a marriage years ago, the couple would work it out instead of running straight for divorce. If you weren't part of that relationship, keep you opinions to yourself.
Of today? Shits been going on for ever. It just now people are aware of it.
@@NealCamerlengo
Yeah people in the old days were to dumb to see it. We better tho right?
What's next?
Yes!! That's what it is! I've noticed an abandonment of empathy when it comes to accepting genuine apologies from people who mess up. What incentive would they HAVE to improve if you've already written them off?
some time ago a divorce lawyer brought up the topic that despite popular opinion, divorces dont happen just bcoz someone cheated; there are always other inconsolable reasons thats been happening in the marriage and divorce strictly on cheating basis shouldnt be a thing. alot of ppl in the comments of course think cheating deserves immediate divorce but me, i actually agree with what the guy said. i dont think just getting caught cheating once unless its an extreme situation like abuse and such warrants divorce bcoz i believe both parties have alot to lose, even if they both have means. there was someone who replied to me saying EXACTLY that, which is why would i let myself be abused mentally and scarred by allowing cheating (projecting on me)
when that person say shit like 'you cant bully anyone into that' and 'think abt the mental health repercussions', i honestly felt like Aba. one, they're ignoring what i said and two, its ironic that this person said all that when he was the one replying to me knowing i said what i said trying to shame me. really i wanted to say, thats none of my business what problems you faced bcoz of your mistakes but it felt too real to say to a stranger so i just said ok then go away, you can leave whenever you want😂😂😂 it felt like they just can't see beyond themselves to make the relationship/marriage work and constantly being all me me me. there's alot of compromises that happens and i know it takes alot for a marriage to last, alot of ppl operate like marriage is to serve their own individual needs and they dont think abt the other person.
of course, i move accordingly. if there is nothing left in the marriage for anybody then divorce is inevitable perhaps.
Two things can be true at once. A person who brought great things to society - a disgusting cheater.
And the cheater part is more important only if you were affected by the action. Just say: thank god for him but also thank god i'm not his wife
Lol ppl say this about MLK but spent four years saying Trump should be impeached over banging some porn star before he was even president. Millions of taxpayer money spent when that situation was years before and had absolutely nothing to do with his work
Well said.
You just said the same thing they said in a different manner..lol.
Have we ever took the time to actually READ what the wife said regarding this cheating issue?
@@AJ-mt9zt i guess i couldn't sum up my thoughts well enough for it to be clear where i disagreed with aba. It's just minor details and nuance tho, so i don't think i'll be able to do it any better sorry
she got the chihuahua voice like 5 minutes and my head is already hurting
The crazy part is…they really think theyre saying something profound.
🤭😂
These people vote
Lol listening to those women hurt my brain
The crazy part is how there grown women talk like petulant children
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Damn who hurt you sis,she speaking from pure emotion. One mistake doesn’t erase all the ass whoopings, marching and protesting he did on our behalf. By their logic nobody was ever great.
Except Jesus
Malcolm went waay harder for the people
and its not even true either , literal CIA propaganda
It's true, no one was great.
Yes ,like you can tell someone hurt her! 😑 You can do great things on this planet and still be criticized🤦♀️
This is a dumb question. Everyone has their faults, even reprehensible ones like cheating on your spouse, but that doesn't change what he did. We have to take the people as a whole, the good with the bad and the bad with the good.
It's possible to call him a POS for cheating on his wife whilst also recognizing that he was an otherwise incredible person and leader.
John Lennon abused his wife and child. Does that change the fact that he was responsible for bringing joy to so much of the world? No it doesn't, to deny that is to deny reality.
how much you want to bet those 2 hoes cheat on their man 24/7
does this apply to R. Kelly? ... asking for a friend...
Cheating on your wife means nothing
@@ginahouston9352 by his logic it would have to
@@ginahouston9352 😂😂😂
He was definitely a great activist and leader, I don’t think it’s fair to discredit all the good he did for our community because he did something morally unethical
That's not what they're saying.
@@kevaughnramsay9846 yeah it is what are you talking about she literally said that he was a bad leader and father but I guess that's not discrediting someone
@@nottodayimbusy7146 MLK wanted to be judged by the content of his character and that's exactly what B Simone and her friend are doing.
@@kevaughnramsay9846 You watched the video like us
@@kevaughnramsay9846 he's being defined by one single act, ignoring everything else he did. that's not judging someone on their character, that's being fixated on the one thing they can say he did "wrong"
Perfect example of “The Horns Effect”. When someone performs poorly in one area, you assume that they are an incompetent person overall and would perform poorly in other areas.
Big shocker, a man who did great things that you learn about in history class is actually a human that makes mistakes and not some perfect god
That’s what I call, pure stupidity!!!! Because nobody is perfect. Just because I don’t know what type of shady shit you’ve done, doesn’t mean you’re perfect
I don't think anyone considered MLK as a god...we consider him as the man who fought for equality for all.
@@NotRJ001 His point was that unlike a god he is not perfect so these two goofy broads so stop trying to crucify a great man for some petty nonsense
@@NotRJ001 that swooshed over your head
He never cheated on his.wife tho
This is what happens when you think with your emotions.
Btw welcome back guys, very happy to see you back with great energy. Looking forward to great laughs again. 💯
RUN, THE PATREON DENIERS ARE COMING!
How the hell did you comment 2hours ago when this was just uploaded 30secs ago dafuq?!
@@mainmith22 my thoughts exactly lol
@@mainmith22 was about to ask myself 😂
Agreed
You can’t take a human being, imperfect and flawed and put them on a pedestal, expecting perfection. You will never get that from a human.
Just because somebody lacked as a husband doesn’t mean they can’t be a wonderful father, co-worker, leader etc. The same goes if a man who will walk through fire for his family might not be the best as an employee. We are all flawed and it doesn’t necessarily make us bad people. All you can do is choose to not get involved with someone that has said flaw, in a manner that will directly effect you (romantically for example)
Yeah he cheated, what's my source.
The FBI.
What's their source... they made it the Fx🤬ck up!
Yeah, nobody is perfect and even good people sometimes do bad things
I am guessing you've been out of the country for 3 or 4 decades. In the meantime this is what it has come to. Women have so many privileges that they think they are better than men. A woman with 5 kids by 3 different father who got her house and car from her last divorce, gets 3 child support checks, foodstamps, wick, heap, and free health insurance considers herself a strong independent single mother.
@@michaelwaninger3155 Actually, I’ve never even been in the country (I’m from and live in Sweden). So I’m an outsider looking in.
As far as the whole “strong independent mother” thing goes, I would argue that any person (male or female) that could, not by choice, take care of his/her children and hold down a job, household etc. and do it single handed without breaking is a strong person. I myself am raised by a single mother (not by choice). Now…having 3 children by 3 different partners thing (again, male or female), now that is a choice lol. After the second partner (with a child) didn’t work out, I would close the factory, but maybe that’s just me.
As far as women potentially seeing themselves as better than men I’m hoping is just because the loudest voices in the room tends to be heard the most. And let’s be honest women who are just living their life and not letting themselves be over consumed with (extremist) feminist discussions are not gonna have podcast’s like this (not to say that having discussions about problems that could directly effect you isn’t important, but you get it).
But isn't that what the pedestal means? It means that it is a place for people who are principled, not people who are weak.
He was a human being. No one is perfect. It’s like no one can make mistakes anymore. We didn’t need to know he was a cheated bc that had nothing to do with us and everything to do with his wife and his family.
She's projecting the pain of her past relationships on MLK
That’s what a lot of people do today. I mean listen to what they were saying “you’re not a great man if you treat me like this”
Ding! Ding! Ding!
@@marlom7882 There are way too many toxic emotionally damaged entitled narcissistic women online nowadays with werid man hating hard ons who think their awful ex boyfriends are representative of all men.
And they literally think them being born female makes them morally superior by default 🤦
You know, the horrible witches online who call each others "Queens" and refer to all men as "Scrotes" and all the women who are actually nice people and not as flawed as them as "Pick mes" and they live on tiktok and reddit
They are basically the female version of the incel community
Moral of the story: Ain’t nobody perfect. & people should stop lookin crazy when they find out someone actually has flaws or did wrongdoings in their lives. Ain’t no one above mistakes or errors.
What if it's a mistake they continue to make? Some might excuse infidelity once, how many times does this person get to make this mistake before its not a mistake? I guess is my real question.
Amen
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You already know the answer to that. Anyone who does something once without knowing the repercussions of their actions, made a mistake.
Anything after that, is a choice. Because they know they can get away with it. & they don’t respect the person they’re hurting in the process.
Also, a person who allows the decisions hurting them to continue, doesn’t respect themselves enough to have boundaries & stop dealing with the person. (Which is easier said than done when talking about relationships.)
But regardless, if it’s a “mistake they continue to make”, it’s up to that person they’re hurting to walk away from a situation not benefiting them. In terms of infidelity.
He never cheated you nitwits! 🤦🏾♂️
Right. These fuckers acting like he’s was a human or something. WTF is wrong with these black women.
Ay my dad always told me growing up "There are 3 sides to every argument. Person A's side, Person B's side & the truth" (or as you put, what happened), an incredibly important lesson to be taught that I'm forever thankful for
Bro, we remember people for their great achievements, not for everything they did
MLK never said that he was a "great" or even "good" man, others did. However... Truth is truth, regardless of it's source. Also, there are none good, but God alone. Matter-of-fact, He actually used flawed, sinful people to accomplish His will. All the "great" men in The Bible had MAJOR character flaws. His strength is made perfect in our weakness. Therefore, no one can boast of their goodness.
Great word brethren
Muhammed Ali said he was great, as a matter of fact he repeatedly said he was the greatest, he also cheated on his wife. 😆
I'm not religious but I like your take on things
@@chrismeino3286 not his take... just the scripture
But what pisses me off. Is that as Aba said. They using a lie the FBI came up with to discredit him. They literally showing black women are the black man's enemy. Despite all MLK Jr did. They using a method the FBI came up with to discredit the man to say he isn't great. Literally the same thing.
The irony of somebody who isn’t “great” at anything attempting to gatekeep greatness by setting an impossible standard based on fabricated “facts” is crazy
More emphasis on "fabricated facts" because none of us even know if it was true. The FBI was out to get MLK Jr. and it's not hard to believe they would stoop down to using lies... especially the same govt who was found guilty for his death on the hush once a few years have passed.
@@justinp9170 ^ this
Maybe they are trying to cover their own inadequacies by attempting to power everyone else?
mental
Why is not cheating on a spouse an impossible standard for an ordained minister??
This makes me think of the speech from Theodore Roosevelt about the cynics who sit back and judge those who attempt great things and this is a prime example. Here they take a man who put everything he had into the things he believed and fought to make the world a better place. Now you have people who sit back and point out his every flaw like they have none. It kinda pisses me off. The thing that should be obvious is that no one is perfect but it is the ability to learn from our own mistakes and try to do better but some people don't feel like that's good enough unless they are tearing someone down and point saying "look I'm better then that person" which I find rather distasteful. P.S sorry for the rant.
Man in the Arena
Nah. You are correct. Plus, don't sound like a rant to me.
What rant? this is just straight facts.
Rant on !
Notice how she said being a bad husband means your a bad father and when she owned up to being a bad wife she didn’t say that meant she was a bad mother.
We don’t celebrate and remember great historical figures for their ills, we remember and celebrate them for their accomplishments. We don’t have statues of MLK to remind us of his infidelity, we have them to remind us of how he spearheaded the civil rights movement.
He could've had a whole damn family with someone else, he's still one of the greatest men of the 20th century! What he stood for and what he accomplished outweighs any shortcomings he may of had!
I cant even articulate how im feeling right now. Its actually disturbing to see black woman bringing this up. Like if it was a white woman or etc I would have dismissed it, but they're BLACK.
@@seeksolace2059 It sounds like something Uncle Ruckus would say to discredit MLK.
That's like saying Columbus was a great man bc he brought your people to America..........lmao
Noo what he was, was a communist puppet for the government. It happens all the time. Mlk, Tupac, Malcom x. Use black men to give us hope and kill them to strike fear in us and instill the idea that if you as a black person try to go against the status quo you will die. Seems crazy Ik but trust me. Xxxtentacion as well, brilliant individual at the peak of his enlightenment he was killed.
Why does no one talk about the other people who mlk was with that are right now pushing globalist ideas and communist beliefs. I stopped holding mlk I’m high regards 4 years ago. We went from cotton slavery to classist slavery don’t let these dumb women distract you
@@seeksolace2059 they should be taken out back and shot dead. 100 shots per body so they family know we ain’t playin no games
"Is she committed to him or the purpose?"
Only she can answer that question, BUT, for convo sake, let's say she was only committed to the purpose. Doing so progressed civil rights for ALL people.
Also, it's LAUGHABLE that the measure of all greatness is limited to thier ability to avoid infedility meaning they wouldn't commit to EITHER.
Moral of the story: don't be a modern woman.
And don’t believe what you hear. This infidelity was a rumor ,a lie to cause this exact dysfunction in the black community.
If he did cheat that was between him and his wife cause its actually not our business
@@christinalewis3635 exaaaaaactly
So based on their conversation, if MLK's wife was a "modern" woman we would have gotten nowhere, and the entire movement would have crumbled.
@@ButterflyBertrand according to them, yes. They themselves were passionately saying MLK wasn't really a great man or leader if he cheated meaning theybwouldnt have followed him on the mission.
People like these women confuse being a great person and doing great things. The fact that any one of us can do great things while also being flawed people makes those great things even greater. It's like separating the art and the artist; which these women clearly can't do.
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“Anything for Clout” has ZERO boundaries these days. Zero!
People who put these historical people on pedestals forget that people aren't two dimensional. These "great" people can do good things and yet be scummy in their private lives. Humans are complex. I mostly blame how education and culture galvanize celebreties and treat them as untouchables, that enables it too much.
He never cheated on his wife though! 🤷🏽♂️
@@daddyfamlittle6262 Hè did beat the shit out of sexworkers though. FBI has IT on tape
For me, it’s the pedestalization that’s the crux of the argument
@@daddyfamlittle6262 he did and heavy. His wife knew about it and was in terms with it. She wasn't gonna let that tarnish the legacy he left.
The guy who fought for our freedom apparently makes one mistake and suddenly it trumps everything else he did……
Allegedly
He never cheated. Got dam y'all are stupid and don't know history. They used that lie to slow the movement and discredit him for these same reasons and the lie still works!! Sheesh 🤦🏾♂️
Made over 40 mistakes…. Allegedly
"..her FUCKING feelings"
🤣 Abba Let out his inner Patrice O'Neal
Also, while I'm at it. No great person is flawless. They're human. Greatness isn't measured by your short-comings, it's measured by the impact and good you do to the world and a legacy that oulives you.
For the record, Maya Angelou was once a sex worker, George Orwell drank and once worked as colonial police, Mandela abandonned his 1st wife and allegedly cheated. I'd never question any of those people's character, greatness or positive impact on the world. But that little girl in the video wouldn't know anything about that, would she?
Exactly, it's the hypocrisy that annoys me.
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People do the same thing when they find out some Hollywood celebrity took drugs before. Everyone is human, it's just that some are given unfair expectations
Fact is, based on this logic, we could go back in literally ANY persons past, these women included, and call folks pieces of 💩 and disqualify anything that they did. Everyone does stuff that isn’t “great”, but at the end of the day like Preach said, we’re ALL human at the end of the day.
Twitter does that job easy-peasy
@@jacobrubin2591, yeah. And if they don’t act upon it currently, which is most often, people will still somehow be labeled as pieces of 💩 for what they said years ago.
Sad day when cancel culture now wants to cancel moments of history.
don't even try doing that with these women the brain volume difference is too high , "arguing with a smart person is hard , arguing with an idiot is damn near impossible"
I remember Kevin Samuels called this the Jesus complex. I don't know why black people in particular think someone has to be perfect in order to be great. All the great people in the Bible had massive character flaws, David had a man killed and took his wife, there were consequences but after that God still called him a man after his own heart. We hold black men especially to this standard of if you aren't great in every aspect of your life you ain't ish and that's foolishness.
You know you really try to give black people leeway and try to cover for them but when they do shit like this especially black women since it’s socially ok to ridicule men … the just leaves you so mentally exhausted
Exactly. Some people misinterpret the Bible in an asinine way.
@@marlom7882 No, people just need to get it through their thick cement blocked skulls that it's okay to make mistakes, as long as we learn and grow from them. We're still humans no matter what. God still loves us still even when we fuck up. Read what he actually said, cabròn.
Agreed
Had a woman killed someone and took her husband the bible wouldnt have the same story
Woman just because you clap when making a statement and are loud does not mean your opinion is right.
I honestly think one of the most intelligent insights I have received was from a friend who said: “don’t let perfect become the enemy of good”.
It’s typically a situational phrase, but I think it works well in this discussion too. Martin Luther King Jr. was an incredible man who worked tirelessly for civil rights in the US and the betterment of African Americans. He wasn’t a perfect human being, but his personal faults don’t negate the positive impact he continues to have in our lives.
I just saw a documentary about Frederick Douglas and there was a section that explored how we see our past heroes and the importance of analysing them as complex human beings.
She's just pissed she got cheated on so now everyone who cheated is a monster by definition because the whole world has to be filtered through her personal feelings.
Frederick Douglass first wife was citizen for being "too black" and illiterate yet she was an amazing woman ! She worked with the underground railroad. His 2nd wife was white and was disowned by her family. She was also a great woman, who guaranteed his memorial . A great man who was blessed with great women. 😍
What was the name of the documentary?
Lmao B simone got sued for making a
Cheap magazine that was aimed a mental health with quotes and adcice already pioneered by others which she got sued for
By her own logic she isnt a great woman
She just a thief....
Ah makes sense. No one could stand girl like that anyway lol
I love how people use the fact that someone wasn't "perfect" to discredit everything a person has ever accomplished. These are some really stupid individuals. It's shocking that they'd post this video. How is MLK not a great communicator because of infidelity? One of his GREATEST strengths was his ability as a communicator/orator. He spent weeks on the road putting in work for US. All of us. If on occasion he got some p***y when he was away from home, that doesn't mean he wasn't an incredible husband and father either. What have either of these dumb individuals sacrificed for anyone in their lives?
They're the same women who go on TV admitting to doing the shadiest shit and then claim "Only god can judge me"
But i bet if a wife cheated on her husband you'd be quick to insult her. You wouldn't call her an incredible wife and mother right 🥴🤦♀️
@@sky-od8cq If she cheated on him while he was away putting in work, yeah, that would be a problem. If SHE were out there sacrificing for the greater good and got some D, that would be different.
@@sky-od8cq shut up! Idiots don't even know history. The story about him cheating was a LIE. 🤦🏾♂️ Dumbass people don't know shxt! Smh
That absolutely means he was a terrible husband and father? He didnt respect his wife and set a poor example for his children. Additionally, as a supposed man of God and a respected figure in the church, his actions make him come across as a hypocrite. Or do marital vows only apply to women?
my ma found out my biological father was cheating on her when i was 2 months old. well, technically he was cheating on his gf with my ma. he denied that i was his until we got a paternity test but he was never part of my life. there was one man that i considered my dad but his association with drugs is what got him killed when i was 5. i constantly miss him and having that father figure in my life and eventually will be changing my last name to his. my ma is the one who would assure me and my siblings that even though he was not a good boyfriend, he loved all of us. i think that if he were still here, he wouldnt still be with my ma, but he would definitely still be in our lives.
What’s funny is that after all the backlash she kept blaming people for “reading the headline” and not listening to the full discussion when she is the one who put this clip out as promo for the podcast 🤣
Hearing it in context is even worse, she is only digging the whole deeper
She fr thought she was saying some shit people would agree with
@@benja303 oh I can only imagine, she’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer
She's really not a bright individual
Facts
Imagine trying to discredit a man who fought for civil rights by claiming that he wasn't a loyal husband. I guess these women want their civil rights revoked.
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Aba you said the most important thing... to these people, the world revolves around how they feel. They can not fathom people not being so self-centric and egotistical.
Lesson of this video: two things can be true at the same time.
Keep in mind that you are the villain in at least one person's story. The hero of your own, a sidequest for many, a DLC in a couple, and certainly an NPC for most.
Well said!
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I have so much respect for you guys for being able to sit and listen to this. Literally couldn’t watch more then 5 seconds without needing a break
i love how everyone is assuming he cheated, even his wife said it may have been falsified by the FBI. Maybe it was a close call or a argument between the couple, it isn't our business. This dude had a million enemies and people wanting his fame you dont think someone lied either.
His wife, a woman who came from the Silent Generation, isn't going to come out and say "yeah Martin was layin it low and spreadin it wide." She's just not. 🙃
@@TomikaKelly niggas just cant be innocent huh? aight if yall say so
His person relationships are private. He might have cheated on his wife , I would have been disappointed if true - but come on he's human ! - " let him without sin cast the first stone " - Jesus
Cheating makes you a bad husband, but it does not make you a bad activist. These women are the epitome of everything I hate about 2022
The way that they both sat there and agree with what the other was saying despite how Illogical it sounded shows how easy it is to influence people that just want to be told they are right
Watching lifetime with my mom growing up -- I have to admit she reminded me how "juvenile" my opinions were about the crazy relationships that channel and their shows would air. This is a great video about change -- growth -- and the layers of being human. Great review!
Honestly though, if you're cheating, it says a lot about their character.
Thank you!
Everyone's okay with it until it happens to them.
And THAT'S the problem. People are triggered because 1. They didn't watch the entire podcast & 2. Dr. King's name was brought up.
They ate Derrick Jaxn up after his infidelity scandal (a rightfully so) because he wasn't living what he preached. The issue is, Dr. King was an ordained reverend and spiritual leader. Had he been a banker or a scientist then his private life would be none of our business but that's not the case.
That said, greatness is subjective.
Yes, but does it discredit all the good he has done? “ He is not a great man”. Especially in this argument it’s just plain stupid to think let alone weigh the two together.
@@sammy2954 I don't like though how they both say don't put him on a pedestal, he was a human but when you talk about his (alleged) failings as a person you just don't bring those things up because he did great things which is essentially putting him on a pedestal.
@@suf1an658 no it’s isn’t… putting someone on a pedestal is to look at them as perfect, and they’re clearly saying MLK is flawed just like EVERYBODY else in human history. Why they tend not to look at some of the shortcomings (which cheating is the only significant one I can think of) is because the good he did astronomically outweighs the bad and that’s all you can ask for. These ladies out here saying he’s “not a good person” when he literally died for their rights 🤦♂️
Omg lol the “ducking loser part” 😂 💀
My ex cheated on me and till this day I always refer to him as a great man. Yes he hurt me but I cannot ignore all the great things he did for me and for his surroundings.
This was probably the best comment I respect this
Damn, I didn't realize it was more Khloe Kardashians out here. 💀
Tf did he do? Build dubai?
@@selcouthkalopsia775 you can cheat on someone and still fight to protect and support those you hurt. The flaw is the fault of the individual, at least this person has the integrity to identify the good and be honest with themselves, unlike those who go above and beyond to demonise and never move on from the betrayal. Life isn’t black and white, it’s complex and doesn’t go your way.
His human flaws do not take away from his accomplishments and no one will take that away from him.
I swear people will be remembered more so for the one time they messed up than for all of the good that they ever did. It’s sad.
dude what kills me is she invalidates his whole existence by saying he cheated but then doesn't realize she essentially did the exact same for herself
Bro what is that username
@@commondirtbagz7130 nah he is out of line for that username
@@commondirtbagz7130 yikes... That's not it
@@commondirtbagz7130 what is yours? you must live near me. dirtbags are common here too
@@viciousrape bro don’t even try to come at me creep
I used to be like this we’ve become to Americanized. I am not American I am Salvadorean. I can now say that with my chest back in high school I was embarrassed and hated my own people. It’s sad man.
I'm glad both Aba and preach are back I missed your content! God bless you guys!
This is what happens when people have too much time on their hands and love to have opinions and be heard. They're quick to talk about people they don't even know! I'm by no means saying infidelity is okay, but who am I to sit here and talk about a man who went through all that he went through as if I have it all figured out? Don't use people's mistakes for your own agenda. People are not their mistakes.
“Don't use people's mistakes for your own agenda “👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 love this!
The "Alleged" infidelity was between him and his wife, NOT B Simone and her podcast friends. This topic of discussion was crass on her part.
This is why we say “y’all crazy” modern whiners need to hold themselves and the “sisterhood” accountable I will no longer hold back I will not apologize.
Thank you
The way they believe their own delusions is astounding. 😳
Let me quote the famous quote that over a million people have said for years ,"No one is perfect." almost everyone has flaws.
Goes to show how little some black women value black men. You could literally be MLK but if you cheat on your wife all your accomplishments and your mission and achievements are dismissed.
It's sad man 😔
I just want everyone to know, this is the same woman that had DaBaby on a pedestal.
Lmao😂
I thought that was her.
Well yeh, she is a clout-chasing instathot lol
This is the funniest shit I’ve seen today
And now we know exactly why she putting this video out there l. Putting her personal disdain for Dababy on every man she sees as the same.
To think, MLK was a man so dedicated to the cause of obtaining equality for his community (which these two imbeciles directly benefit from) that he lost his life for it; and yet these women would have the audacity to question his character when they've even admitted that they themselves are far from perfect is insane. What has either of these two women done in their lives for the benefit of others, let alone their community that would come close to the accomplishments of MLK? These two remind me of that saying, " It is better for a fool to remain silent that remove all doubt that he/she is a fool".
They should be excecuted publicly
@Dave Cook Indeed. I believe you are correct. The message is the same ultimately but thanks I'll definitely remember it in the future.
@@versatileduplicity9313 I'm not sure I'd take it that far but I wouldn't be surprised if they were ostracized in some way as a result of their views.
I bet there barely even able to do something for the benefit of themselves. Let alone do anything that is constructive for anyone else
@@thetruth4654 Agreed.
They are only hating because he said you can't judge a person by the color of their skin but by their character.... These types of people judge people by the color of their skin.
The trauma is still strong in this one XD. She was TRIGGERED hahaha Emotional Damage
I like how preach said that there are three sides to every story--my side, the other person's side, and what actually happened. A straightforward phrase, but I feel like people forget to consider this fact...It just reminds me to let go of things that are not in my control and accept them for what they are.
Oh, and I had to google the Maya Angelou point yall brought up, I didn't understand that, but now I do. 😄
On a separate note, I'm so happy that yall are finally making new content!!
She’s probably the type to throw her child’s food that his dad bought just for him and not for her other kids.
Yess 🤣
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I understood that reference
Are you the type to comment on podcast clips and not watch the entire episode. 😬