Don't normally comment much but this video was quite good. Seemed well paced and focused and you sounded more confident/prepared than perhaps usual. Good stuff, hope to see more
My main also for past few seasons, with this manamune ludens first strike build 😢 then again, every time someone made a video I learned something new. Would never have used cryptbloom before.
Just adding another voice to what the vast majority of commenters are saying. This video is really well paced, clear and concise. The imagery of the items, stats and even the practice tool demonstration were very well placed and helped to aid in explanation tremendously. I eagerly look forward to any more build showcase videos in a similar style to this one and hope this video performs as well for you as I believe it should.
This breakdown was by far your best one yet. Keep being you LS, have always loved and appreciated what you have done and added to the community! An important voice and figure in our scene and space and I for one am very grateful that we are lucky to have you here! Thank you
Very informative and too the point. I always love when explain a strategy or game mechanic. It's more posititve then the doomer view on lol pro play I tend to hear from you
I watched this video yesterday, played 3 games of the build, and am coming back to give enormous props. Not only is the build insanely strong but the detail in this video helped me almost immediately understand the gameplay pattern, gave me insight into minor adjustments mid-game, and refueled my craving for creativity in champion builds. Having 5 points in Q and W at level 11 while still having a more than enough range with 1 point in ult feels amazing and probably isn't something that I or most of the community would've found on our own. Thank you so much for the time and effort that you put not only into this game but into your community and the league community as a whole. I've watched your content for a long time but have been an avid watcher that hasn't missed a video for almost 2 years now and this video is a PRIME example of quality league content. It's insightful, well-backed by easy to consume visuals, and creates an excited desire to play the game. Again, thank you for continuing to produce content for the game we all love and we will be right there with you cringing as we see this build brought out in pro-play running boots & cookies. Much love
I say it every time, you're really good at this form of content. It's a real shame you find it so stressful because the way you cover every eventuality always makes the video increadibly useful.
Really enjoy this kind of content, your game knowledge and understanding of items with math etc. is insanely impressive. Great content, thanks for this! Even as someone who doesn't play Kai'Sa at all, a very enjoyable watch into how you break everything down.
Videos like this are exactly the kind of things I look for when wanting to level up my gameplay. The depth of explanation and insight are completely unparalleled when it comes to educational League content. My only question for clarification is if there is anything different with the stat shards or if its the standard (AS/AdF/HP).
Patch 14.15 on Kai'sa Kraken first 49.67% win rate and 32.53% pick rate. Eclipse first 50.67% win rate and 28.79% pick rate. Statik first 51.68% win rate and 24.76% pick rate. Manamune first 47.83% win rate and 10.8% pick rate. When you look at the completion of the second item it's in average at minute 18 for all builds, and yet again, Luden's is last. Seeing the quite underwhelming win rate for this build path, I'm not convinced it's broken.
You always have the deep knowledge about the game that sometimes people make fun about, ive always liked how you analyze the game back in the days when you were still casting, hopefully we can get more of this variation of LS explains short, no flame but concise and very very informative.
The W spam can also come online earlier if you skip finishing Ludens for a nLarge Rod, bcz you still need another Amp Tome after Ludens. Luden's passive IS NOT the reason why you build the item, it's bcz no other lost chapter item fits her and you want Q evolve to wave clear. Getting a rod post lost chapter makes W evolve 950 gold cheaper. Also depending on the situation you might want to get Ionians over Sorcs even tho Mpen is great for this build. The reason behind is because what actually deals a ton of dmg isn't W itself like the older version, but the passive proc, where Ionians compensate the cd in case of a miss.
I would also mention Horizon Focus. The 20 Ability Haste helps spamming w while the passiv also gives 10% bonus dmg, since you are always playing on range. The reveal can also help hitting successive Ws to proc Kaisa passiv, which will often end up killing the enemy, while the AoE vision can tell you if the enemy is isolated and it's safe to fly in to catch them. The vision is probably better in SoloQ than in competetive because there are less tanks to block your 2nd w and you're more likely to find catches, while in Proplay you might rather have more dmg than a Zhonyas, since you are gonna play on range together and have peel, while you are probably playing a poke comp, which means you might be losing the fight anyways if the enemy managed to engage you.
Horizon could be potentially last item, in most of the tests done on other ap champs, rabadon just does so much more damage even with the 10% buff of horizon that the vision might not be that worth it
Personally I don’t buy because landing a W already gives you true vision on the target. Although I don’t know how useful the horizon focus 10% more dmg passive is, to me I reads as if it only procs on the second hit.
@@S38RXY didn't play that much kaisa and thought the w reveal was much shorter than 4 sec, so I guess the reveal is kinda useless. The AoE vision can still be nice to find catches and Horizon should be higher dmg than Zhonyas (the 10% dmg amp also works for the ability that procs it), so it should be best item if you don't need Zhonyas and rather have more dmg. Might even be viable to build before Cryptbloom if the enemy builds no MR, but it should be very close
The math is painful to get exactly right due to number of factors at play, but: If the average HP of the targets you've hit over some period is OVER the unknown breakpoint, Liandry will still be optimal over rabadon. If there is one tank the expected average still favors rabadons. If that one tank is cho'gath, it will depend on whether you need to get through cho to do things or if you can just aim for others. But remember that liandry is 700g cheaper as well, so if you think in terms of "dmg per gold", instead of "BIS at 50 minutes", that HP breakpoint is shifted a bit lower. If we look at the test video, we see a 23 dmg difference (at 2k hp?). Is that worth 700g? at amp tome efficiency that gives 35 ap, which gives 21 W dmg (includes passive, assumes first hit) So... Kind of? (700g "should be" over 21 dmg, is 23) And how much is that in health required for liandry to be better outright? 24:0.06 = 400HP or ~600hp with MR, assuming the dummy in the video is on 50 MR, which would mean ~2600hp total, which becomes a bit higher at full build due to raba passive. But that is ONLY for poke. If you fly in to burst someone, or get flanked and forced into a statcheck, raba has massively increased value as you cannot stack the liandry DOT but do get extra AP ratios. It's REALLY close, so: If you think supp+top+jgl will all have over 3k HP, it is probably a safe bet to go Liandry. Same thing if enemy has a healthstacker tank+1 bruiser with some health. But if health increases are rare in the enemy team, rabadon is definetely the buy. (edit: paragraph fail)
Thanks for this video LS, I really loved how you explained and justified it! She’s my 2nd favorite champion to play overall in the game and has been for quite some time, I love how much the hybrid build is legitimized with her. I wish more champions could pull this off properly, but of course she’s “got different DNA” lol.
Great vid, I think such informative build/champs breakdowns are awesome and you should focus on that. Me, personally, would love to see your take on how to build Volibear :D
I really enjoyed the practice tool demonstrations comparing Dcap & Liandry. Could perhaps have been expanded, showing why Horizon Focus or other items are omitted. Much love
Just tested this myself, in the order of: Manamune, Luden's, Crypt, Raba, Liandry. If one item is replaced with Horizon, 1 W deals less damage. (target: 3000hp, 50MR. Stacked eyeball collection)
@@koenraadhendricusdoes the horizon focus passive help the second W if you hit them within 6 seconds? the reveal also makes it easier to hit it i guess
2 things LS forgot to mention in the vid. 1. Try to delay upgrading boots until you complete a full item. 2. If lane phase is free as heck, then you can go 4 points Q and skip 5th point Q. Go straight into maxing W.
This is why LS is THE GOAT! Its a shame ranked ladder quality is terrible because 99% of players don't care to optimize their champions or refuse to get off of outdated builds like Shiv
I think it depends on timing for each of those cases in particular, if you can end up stacking tear before you full build Manamune and if W comes off cd after Ludens stacks up again then Ingenious is not needed. now obviously if neither of those are the case then yes Ingenious might help with getting Muramana earlier and more damage when Ludens procs unfortunately im not familiar with these said timings so I cant comment on if each case would actually happen in a game or not
Another ap kai'sa video i saw a few years ago pointed out the most important tip; you need to recognize if you are in poke mode, or teamfight mode. In poke mode it is okay to throw out low percentage W before an objective comes into contest. If you miss a w just before a fight commences you lock yourself out of having a meaningful impact for yhe remainder of the w cd; therefore hold your W until it is a high percentage land (only the first one), after that the chaos of a team fight lines up easy w's for you.
while i don't believe that the build is broken at least in soloQ i appreciate that you walked back on the Liandry's statement after the testing because that made alot of ppl just buy it not realizing Dcap is actually better because her W not only can proc her passive if you hit 2 but also it applies her passive on-hit damage which has an ap ratio in of itself
This is exactly why I watch you. Takes me back to the Season 5 Times. Just a guy that loves the game and doesn't bother spending hours trying to figure out something new, that others, even pro players won't do, in order to come up with a nieche thing, that really slaps. Keep it up LS, we love you.
I have been practicing kaisa ap a couple of times, really fun, I was wondering if the W is the first skill to improve or is the Q being situational, and in addition to that the type of boots you wear
Such a good video, thanks a lot, btw i would like to ask how she fits in a competitive comp, its a problem if the team has a ap mid with her? what would be her ideal comp to play with
Ever since the Ezreal Kleptomancy/First Strike, Future's Market, fast ramping builds, I always thought that ramping was underrated and that players just needed to test it out on different champions. With the addition of the skillpoint it makes sense that it Kai'Sa would find good use of a similar ramping build. It's honestly probably good on A LOT of ADC's. I imagine Kog'Maw after the buffs could do something similar. Smolder and Senna don't need it because their ramping is to do with their stacks, but it could still work really well on them and/or others.
4 quick questions: 1. Q max first or W? 2. Which Mini Runes are the best on this build? 3. Which summoner spells are best in what situation/matchups? 4. Which boots are best?
Wordy info addition here for people considering the build as this was one of my main builds for years (obviously with an alternative to bloom) and I played it a lot less from early last year. It may be better now as AP items are a lot stronger, but the main issues back then were the prevalence of tanky champs who shrug off your W and block for the squishies. Also you forgo a lot of sustained damage by having low attack speed. Further, opponents can interact by dodging it, and when they do the cooldown is very long which lowers your sustained output even more. E upgrade is doable with just attack speed boots and nash if you wanted to go that route. It's not important but the two things that are extremely important are your Q and E evolves. Note - Runes do not contribute to your 100 stat required to evolve, and you need to factor in your ad / as per level to figure out exactly what level Q evolve is possible. I spent days working out the quickest way to get to 100 in each. Can't remember for Q how I did it, should be manamune alone with getting tear first to start spam stacking it as you do need that bonus to get you to 100 sooner. but for W (no ap increase per level like AD) it was worth getting an extra tome before going for the combine cost on ludens if you didn't have the gold for combine and an extra tome as well. An extra tome before combine is 400g and will get you over 100 ap. Combine is 600g and will leave you at 95 ap so you'll need to spend another 400g (total 1,000g) to get your W upgrade. This build is super fun when you do well, and much more playable the less tanks the enemy has. You can melt people from range and can one shot, it is very satisfying. But it has it's downsides and you will feel a lot weaker than a normal kaisa build if you are behind, or they are good at dodging your W becuase it is quite slow / telegraphed. It was much easier when I was the only one playing it, but people caught on quick!
Great video! Just one thing to clarify, as I don't believe it was mentioned, are we building Ionian boots with this build? Sorcs are broken, but given the build, I'm assuming we want all the cdr we can get~
Love this type of videos, hope u can keep doing them. Can u explain why Ingneious is not good? Is the cd benefit ok ludens too small to be significant?
ye around the time u get 3 items which is like 20 ish minutes if u got first strike runes trancedence its about 54 dmg per charge. if u miss its about 8.4-8.5 sec cooldown and 3 seconds if u refresh so like u get about 54 more dmg per w spam assuming u are 5 stack ingenious + cosmic uts like 2 charges per w instead of 1. Mind u ur also losing some ap from not going gathering storm. overall like idk if its worth tbh bc trancendeces gives like 10 more haste. the cdr might be worth over like a couple of charges of ludens since hitting a W will easily outdmg like 8 charges of ludens together + reset potential.
Thank you LS for making this video, explaining something I have been doing since basically forever ( 4 years). Over and over I had this discussion and having a person with this much reach and trust makes my future discussions easyer. Still I hope Riot never sees that, else my main and my way to build her will get nerved into the ground. e2Ælu out.
The problem or the issue with this build is the time that you need to be online which is when you have 2 items so the gold you will take from treasure would be better for me i think especially that blossom CD doesn't really matter for you also ludens stacks yea you will miss some damage but it's negligible like nothing the only good thing is the stacking of tear but as i said in my opinion getting to 2 items faster is more important than stacking tear faster
imo from experience this build is really hard to play in soloq, even in masters people just want to contest early and dont respect your scalings at all (inb4 low masta is bad yada, yada, i expect that from top 0.5%) im sure for comp this is going to be strong
Hey LS! I missed a couple of your earlier streams this year and was wondering what made you choose Streaming CBLol over LEC. Was it more of a decision between Co-Streaming and LIVE-Viewing or did you want to explore different regions?
Hey LS, been a fan for quite a long time. I dont play much rank but ive got almost 600k on kaisa playing strictly ap mid. Id love to talk to you about it sometime if you have the time! I think for mid specifically different rune is optimal for majority of matchups in solo Q for specific reasons focused on using kaisas passive level 1-2 and or 5
I'm curious how this would translate to midlane Kai'Sa, since that's something that is still seeing play in both soloQ and occasionally in pro. Is this build strictly viable bot lane, or could it be run mid? Are there any changes that you would make mid, or other requirements on the team (specific junglers?) that make it viable/unviable?
Great build, i just feel like it is counterred by champs like udyr going one mr item in their core build and just blocking most of ur w casts with their own shield. In the games where i encountered those kind of champs i wasnt able to get of enough poke and therefore was missing the utility from e upgrade to be able to kite their engange. I must admit that i did not have void yet, so maybe skipping the rabbadons for void would win me those games. Great video
Considering the items recommended by LS ingenious hunter should be the best of the hunter bunch. It benefits Ludens the most, reduces tear stacking time and Zhonya cd. Also Domination/inspiration is a good rune combo as well.
which stat shards would be optimal? is there a threshold with the Ability Haste in slot 1 to hit or is Attack Speed better for last hittin? 2nd adaptive force pretty much. verdict on 3rd? not sure on either, early hp ( keep in mind more base hp means more hp on levelups) or scaling as you want to be online arround 20+ mins anyways?
Hey LS! Thank you so much for the video i feel so seen that someone else vouch for the build i keep getting flamed doing. That being said have you seen the eclipse variation of ap kaisa thats become popular recently? (Incase you havent its eclipse, nash into standard ap kaisa stuff)
i love the video, tried out the build and i love it, feels very good to play it. i'm experimenting going core items with zerks + rageblade/krakens, i still don't know what's the play to get E evolve, i know maybe it doesn't need it but well autism i just CAN'T not have my E evolve on my kaisa or i go insane i also wanna mention that riot's default runes on almost EVERY inspiration tree has the cursed cookies and every time i don't edit my runes i end up tilting ingame. i wish they traded triple tonic for the cookies already, i know they don't fill the same "role" at all but still feel to me like such a bait rune slot on literally every champion (i know i might be wrong but i'm biased what i else can i say).
I am honestly surprised that LS doesn't deem Ingenious Hunter as a viable pick here. The faster tear stacking may be negligible, but you'd thing that faster accumulation of Luden stacks/lower cooldown on Cryptbloom heal would be a very good thing for this build
A month ago he thought Ingenious was better. But he said in this video he tested runes and items more. Came to the conclusion that relentless or treasure hunter is just better.
I would love to have more videos like this one, it’s a way better visual way, for the more casual person. I am really happy you checked the rabadons vs liandry, because I immeadiatly checked my self what the stat comparison was and was a little confused when on stream you were saying liandry deals more, when it is slightly less. Best argument I could see there, was you could have an amplifying tome on top of your liandry with 600 extra gold and the build path is probably better, but the rabadons burst is pretty heavy.
Is eclipse first item at all justifiable? It gives a lot of ad for a quick q evolve, and I think you don't necessarily need the mana from manamune if you take pressence of mind/ biscuits, and there is also the new blue buff that goes to your whole team. Going nashors 2nd leaves you with all 3 abilities evolved, and you can always pivot to the full ap build later in the match. Maybe it is better in solo q?
@LS Is AD twisted fate not fundamentally broken atm. There is no counter play. If you build Merc Treads to not get 2 second cc every 5 seconds then you take too much damage from his autos. If you take ninja tabbi to reduce his auto damage then you are permanently cced. Do you consider this broken?
in your last costream with DonJake im pretty sure you said you had the AP kaisa video all done but you said something across the lines of not feeling motivated enough to bother with content like this anymore. how you been in the scene for years including league and you have been constantly talking to pros and nothing seems to change in meta. im currently listening the entire vod again to find it so worst case scenario about 4 and a half hours of 2x speed
@@LSXYZ9 i left a comment a couple hours after my previous one but it seems to have disappeared? perhaps because of the twitch link but ill reiterate it. all timestamps are for the donjake costream vod. when i said 'previous comments' i was talking about your previous comments. although other peoples comments are technically a factor as well but outside of scope for this. 02:37:48 is the main reason/thought behind my comment when talking about 'previous comments.' you said you had all the things ready to create the video and that you tried to make it twice but you believed it didnt matter. 02:31:08 you mention that for years (2018-2021) people would flame you for pointing out itemization and how people thought it was easiest thing to point out. you talk about how now a days (especially within the last 2 weeks) people on twitter are talking about items/itemization including previous flamers. lastly at 0:15:04 you talk about having conversations with pro players about ap kaisa and mention that their coaches wont let them play it or try it all this together made me seem like you felt defeated in even trying to create educational content on league especially when it focuses on builds in this case. you have mentioned that you have been in the esports scene for years and league for such a long time and that you feel like you havent done enough for the community.
I’ve always been confused on this but if kaisa has a 130% Ad scaling and 45% Ap scaling on her W, why not just get enough AP to evolve then Go full AD? What if her build was Liandrys and Void staff then Full AD?
Don't normally comment much but this video was quite good. Seemed well paced and focused and you sounded more confident/prepared than perhaps usual. Good stuff, hope to see more
Reminded me of the Nasus support video
@@leaveacommentyes, I totally forgot about Nasus, but that hits in on the spot.
Hey man, I have been using the dark arts on kaisa recently, i dont like that you're making this more public now.
Was my experience with Quinn before T1 and pros started playing her and now she's ass
My main also for past few seasons, with this manamune ludens first strike build 😢 then again, every time someone made a video I learned something new. Would never have used cryptbloom before.
@@sonhonguyenthai1075 it's mostly poke but with the manamune q evolve your Q deals enough to finish anyone off with your ult after hitting 2 Es.
Same
What this guy said 😂😂
Just adding another voice to what the vast majority of commenters are saying. This video is really well paced, clear and concise. The imagery of the items, stats and even the practice tool demonstration were very well placed and helped to aid in explanation tremendously.
I eagerly look forward to any more build showcase videos in a similar style to this one and hope this video performs as well for you as I believe it should.
This breakdown was by far your best one yet.
Keep being you LS, have always loved and appreciated what you have done and added to the community! An important voice and figure in our scene and space and I for one am very grateful that we are lucky to have you here!
Thank you
Very informative and too the point. I always love when explain a strategy or game mechanic. It's more posititve then the doomer view on lol pro play I tend to hear from you
I watched this video yesterday, played 3 games of the build, and am coming back to give enormous props. Not only is the build insanely strong but the detail in this video helped me almost immediately understand the gameplay pattern, gave me insight into minor adjustments mid-game, and refueled my craving for creativity in champion builds. Having 5 points in Q and W at level 11 while still having a more than enough range with 1 point in ult feels amazing and probably isn't something that I or most of the community would've found on our own. Thank you so much for the time and effort that you put not only into this game but into your community and the league community as a whole. I've watched your content for a long time but have been an avid watcher that hasn't missed a video for almost 2 years now and this video is a PRIME example of quality league content. It's insightful, well-backed by easy to consume visuals, and creates an excited desire to play the game. Again, thank you for continuing to produce content for the game we all love and we will be right there with you cringing as we see this build brought out in pro-play running boots & cookies. Much love
Thanks for the vid LS, please make more vids like this. I really enjoy them. I like to learn about the game.
I say it every time, you're really good at this form of content. It's a real shame you find it so stressful because the way you cover every eventuality always makes the video increadibly useful.
Literally the best informative guide I’ve seen. Same with the nasus support guide. Best in slot educational league content forsure
This video format was excellent. I'm very glad you are still in the league community, and appreciate the value you bring to the scene.
this is genuinely one of the best, straight-forward info guides I’ve seen in a while. kudos
Really enjoy this kind of content, your game knowledge and understanding of items with math etc. is insanely impressive. Great content, thanks for this! Even as someone who doesn't play Kai'Sa at all, a very enjoyable watch into how you break everything down.
Great Video, would love to see more Videos like this!
Videos like this are exactly the kind of things I look for when wanting to level up my gameplay. The depth of explanation and insight are completely unparalleled when it comes to educational League content. My only question for clarification is if there is anything different with the stat shards or if its the standard (AS/AdF/HP).
this is the best stuff LS has made in years along with the podcast where he went through all the items
Love the format of this video. Can't wait to see everyone picking kai'sa and still going statikk -> nashor -> rageblade :D
Drutut even has footage of him obliterating games at 25 minutes adter getting hard camped top lane usinf poke kaisa
Patch 14.15 on Kai'sa
Kraken first 49.67% win rate and 32.53% pick rate.
Eclipse first 50.67% win rate and 28.79% pick rate.
Statik first 51.68% win rate and 24.76% pick rate.
Manamune first 47.83% win rate and 10.8% pick rate.
When you look at the completion of the second item it's in average at minute 18 for all builds, and yet again, Luden's is last.
Seeing the quite underwhelming win rate for this build path, I'm not convinced it's broken.
You always have the deep knowledge about the game that sometimes people make fun about, ive always liked how you analyze the game back in the days when you were still casting, hopefully we can get more of this variation of LS explains short, no flame but concise and very very informative.
Great video!
3 questions:
1. Sorc boots?
2. Max W or max q in early?
3. flat dmg or atk speed in shard runes?
Either or none.
Max W get it maxed by level 10, but Q to 4 points first.
Atkspeed in shard runes
thanks!@@LSXYZ9
The W spam can also come online earlier if you skip finishing Ludens for a nLarge Rod, bcz you still need another Amp Tome after Ludens. Luden's passive IS NOT the reason why you build the item, it's bcz no other lost chapter item fits her and you want Q evolve to wave clear. Getting a rod post lost chapter makes W evolve 950 gold cheaper. Also depending on the situation you might want to get Ionians over Sorcs even tho Mpen is great for this build. The reason behind is because what actually deals a ton of dmg isn't W itself like the older version, but the passive proc, where Ionians compensate the cd in case of a miss.
I agree
Love the editing and commentary in this video. Explanations are very well done!
I would also mention Horizon Focus. The 20 Ability Haste helps spamming w while the passiv also gives 10% bonus dmg, since you are always playing on range. The reveal can also help hitting successive Ws to proc Kaisa passiv, which will often end up killing the enemy, while the AoE vision can tell you if the enemy is isolated and it's safe to fly in to catch them.
The vision is probably better in SoloQ than in competetive because there are less tanks to block your 2nd w and you're more likely to find catches, while in Proplay you might rather have more dmg than a Zhonyas, since you are gonna play on range together and have peel, while you are probably playing a poke comp, which means you might be losing the fight anyways if the enemy managed to engage you.
Horizon could be potentially last item, in most of the tests done on other ap champs, rabadon just does so much more damage even with the 10% buff of horizon that the vision might not be that worth it
Personally I don’t buy because landing a W already gives you true vision on the target. Although I don’t know how useful the horizon focus 10% more dmg passive is, to me I reads as if it only procs on the second hit.
@@S38RXY didn't play that much kaisa and thought the w reveal was much shorter than 4 sec, so I guess the reveal is kinda useless. The AoE vision can still be nice to find catches and Horizon should be higher dmg than Zhonyas (the 10% dmg amp also works for the ability that procs it), so it should be best item if you don't need Zhonyas and rather have more dmg. Might even be viable to build before Cryptbloom if the enemy builds no MR, but it should be very close
The math is painful to get exactly right due to number of factors at play, but:
If the average HP of the targets you've hit over some period is OVER the unknown breakpoint, Liandry will still be optimal over rabadon.
If there is one tank the expected average still favors rabadons. If that one tank is cho'gath, it will depend on whether you need to get through cho to do things or if you can just aim for others.
But remember that liandry is 700g cheaper as well, so if you think in terms of "dmg per gold", instead of "BIS at 50 minutes", that HP breakpoint is shifted a bit lower.
If we look at the test video, we see a 23 dmg difference (at 2k hp?). Is that worth 700g? at amp tome efficiency that gives 35 ap, which gives 21 W dmg (includes passive, assumes first hit)
So... Kind of? (700g "should be" over 21 dmg, is 23)
And how much is that in health required for liandry to be better outright? 24:0.06 = 400HP or ~600hp with MR, assuming the dummy in the video is on 50 MR, which would mean ~2600hp total,
which becomes a bit higher at full build due to raba passive.
But that is ONLY for poke. If you fly in to burst someone, or get flanked and forced into a statcheck, raba has massively increased value as you cannot stack the liandry DOT but do get extra AP ratios.
It's REALLY close, so:
If you think supp+top+jgl will all have over 3k HP, it is probably a safe bet to go Liandry.
Same thing if enemy has a healthstacker tank+1 bruiser with some health.
But if health increases are rare in the enemy team, rabadon is definetely the buy.
(edit: paragraph fail)
Love this style of video from you, looking forward to hopefully more like it
aram players know what is up
Thanks for this video LS, I really loved how you explained and justified it! She’s my 2nd favorite champion to play overall in the game and has been for quite some time, I love how much the hybrid build is legitimized with her. I wish more champions could pull this off properly, but of course she’s “got different DNA” lol.
Really enjoyed this video! Would you consider her a good pick to abuse in SoloQ to climp to Diamond? I suppose in mid, if I understand correctly?
Great vid, I think such informative build/champs breakdowns are awesome and you should focus on that. Me, personally, would love to see your take on how to build Volibear :D
Thank you for the video, hope to see some Kai'sa in competitive play!
I really enjoyed the practice tool demonstrations comparing Dcap & Liandry. Could perhaps have been expanded, showing why Horizon Focus or other items are omitted. Much love
Just tested this myself, in the order of: Manamune, Luden's, Crypt, Raba, Liandry. If one item is replaced with Horizon, 1 W deals less damage. (target: 3000hp, 50MR. Stacked eyeball collection)
@@koenraadhendricusdoes the horizon focus passive help the second W if you hit them within 6 seconds? the reveal also makes it easier to hit it i guess
@@ffll8427 That is true, but Kaisa passive already grants vision, so I think the vision portion of horizon focus is not very impactful.
@@koenraadhendricus Thanks
2 things LS forgot to mention in the vid.
1. Try to delay upgrading boots until you complete a full item.
2. If lane phase is free as heck, then you can go 4 points Q and skip 5th point Q. Go straight into maxing W.
Love pls more of this kinda videos anytime.
Really really well put together very digestible, logical and fun to watch.
This is why LS is THE GOAT! Its a shame ranked ladder quality is terrible because 99% of players don't care to optimize their champions or refuse to get off of outdated builds like Shiv
4:32 I think there should be an argument for Ingenious Hunter. It allows to stack tear quicker & makes you recover Luden's stacks quicker too.
I think it depends on timing for each of those cases in particular, if you can end up stacking tear before you full build Manamune and if W comes off cd after Ludens stacks up again then Ingenious is not needed.
now obviously if neither of those are the case then yes Ingenious might help with getting Muramana earlier and more damage when Ludens procs
unfortunately im not familiar with these said timings so I cant comment on if each case would actually happen in a game or not
Ingenious hunter doesn't actually work on luden's
@@swermboot6828 unlucky
@@swermboot6828 fake news, just checked on practice tool. Without it Ludens total cd is 18 sec, with (fully stacked) is 12 sec.
Hmm yes but perhaps treasure hunter gold equates to more consistent damage
Really enjoyed this type of content
Really good commentary and edit, I have one question for everyone, at what level do you guys usually use the Elixir of Skill?
Another ap kai'sa video i saw a few years ago pointed out the most important tip; you need to recognize if you are in poke mode, or teamfight mode. In poke mode it is okay to throw out low percentage W before an objective comes into contest. If you miss a w just before a fight commences you lock yourself out of having a meaningful impact for yhe remainder of the w cd; therefore hold your W until it is a high percentage land (only the first one), after that the chaos of a team fight lines up easy w's for you.
while i don't believe that the build is broken at least in soloQ i appreciate that you walked back on the Liandry's statement after the testing because that made alot of ppl just buy it not realizing Dcap is actually better because her W not only can proc her passive if you hit 2 but also it applies her passive on-hit damage which has an ap ratio in of itself
Great video LS! I really love that you practice what you preach. Hopefully this helps evolve pro play.
This is exactly why I watch you. Takes me back to the Season 5 Times. Just a guy that loves the game and doesn't bother spending hours trying to figure out something new, that others, even pro players won't do, in order to come up with a nieche thing, that really slaps. Keep it up LS, we love you.
I have been practicing kaisa ap a couple of times, really fun, I was wondering if the W is the first skill to improve or is the Q being situational, and in addition to that the type of boots you wear
Such a good video, thanks a lot, btw i would like to ask how she fits in a competitive comp, its a problem if the team has a ap mid with her? what would be her ideal comp to play with
Really good video, enjoyed it, I play ap kai'sa since you mentioned it for the first time keep up the good work LS!
What botes should i go? great video.
thank you ls ! much love for this new build! the new ad/hybrid ryze build is really strong atm! thoughts?
Ever since the Ezreal Kleptomancy/First Strike, Future's Market, fast ramping builds, I always thought that ramping was underrated and that players just needed to test it out on different champions. With the addition of the skillpoint it makes sense that it Kai'Sa would find good use of a similar ramping build. It's honestly probably good on A LOT of ADC's. I imagine Kog'Maw after the buffs could do something similar. Smolder and Senna don't need it because their ramping is to do with their stacks, but it could still work really well on them and/or others.
Basically anyone that can play safe and scale it accelerates theby 5 to 10 minutes
Really love this type of video, i hope most of my future teammates watch this but till then i will play Kai'sa with this build.
Thank you so much.
4 quick questions: 1. Q max first or W? 2. Which Mini Runes are the best on this build? 3. Which summoner spells are best in what situation/matchups? 4. Which boots are best?
great video , had to try this build in a game and it went great on mid, thanks, keep it up
Took me a while to get adjusted to this build instead of the usual kraken/eclipse one, great vid overall.
Wordy info addition here for people considering the build as this was one of my main builds for years (obviously with an alternative to bloom) and I played it a lot less from early last year. It may be better now as AP items are a lot stronger, but the main issues back then were the prevalence of tanky champs who shrug off your W and block for the squishies. Also you forgo a lot of sustained damage by having low attack speed. Further, opponents can interact by dodging it, and when they do the cooldown is very long which lowers your sustained output even more. E upgrade is doable with just attack speed boots and nash if you wanted to go that route. It's not important but the two things that are extremely important are your Q and E evolves. Note - Runes do not contribute to your 100 stat required to evolve, and you need to factor in your ad / as per level to figure out exactly what level Q evolve is possible. I spent days working out the quickest way to get to 100 in each. Can't remember for Q how I did it, should be manamune alone with getting tear first to start spam stacking it as you do need that bonus to get you to 100 sooner. but for W (no ap increase per level like AD) it was worth getting an extra tome before going for the combine cost on ludens if you didn't have the gold for combine and an extra tome as well. An extra tome before combine is 400g and will get you over 100 ap. Combine is 600g and will leave you at 95 ap so you'll need to spend another 400g (total 1,000g) to get your W upgrade. This build is super fun when you do well, and much more playable the less tanks the enemy has. You can melt people from range and can one shot, it is very satisfying. But it has it's downsides and you will feel a lot weaker than a normal kaisa build if you are behind, or they are good at dodging your W becuase it is quite slow / telegraphed. It was much easier when I was the only one playing it, but people caught on quick!
That is a banger thumbnail wow!
Great video! Just one thing to clarify, as I don't believe it was mentioned, are we building Ionian boots with this build? Sorcs are broken, but given the build, I'm assuming we want all the cdr we can get~
I would really like to see more videos like this. Very good video!
The organization, the editing, the accessible language, LS WHAT WAS THAT?!
no wonder this video took a while, it was so good. Thank you for this vid (i was waiting so i could use it on my games keking )
glad to have you back.
Love these build/champ guides. Good edition, god bless.
I'd like more videos like that, very informational
Best explanation by far, im excited to int all my d4 games and head right back to emerald
Love this type of videos, hope u can keep doing them.
Can u explain why Ingneious is not good? Is the cd benefit ok ludens too small to be significant?
ye around the time u get 3 items which is like 20 ish minutes if u got first strike runes trancedence its about 54 dmg per charge. if u miss its about 8.4-8.5 sec cooldown and 3 seconds if u refresh
so like u get about 54 more dmg per w spam assuming u are 5 stack ingenious + cosmic uts like 2 charges per w instead of 1. Mind u ur also losing some ap from not going gathering storm. overall like idk if its worth tbh bc trancendeces gives like 10 more haste. the cdr might be worth over like a couple of charges of ludens since hitting a W will easily outdmg like 8 charges of ludens together + reset potential.
Thank you LS for making this video, explaining something I have been doing since basically forever ( 4 years). Over and over I had this discussion and having a person with this much reach and trust makes my future discussions easyer. Still I hope Riot never sees that, else my main and my way to build her will get nerved into the ground. e2Ælu out.
I think you might want to explore ingenious hunter, it allows for faster stacking of tear, ludens stacks, blossom cd.
The problem or the issue with this build is the time that you need to be online which is when you have 2 items so the gold you will take from treasure would be better for me i think especially that blossom CD doesn't really matter for you also ludens stacks yea you will miss some damage but it's negligible like nothing the only good thing is the stacking of tear but as i said in my opinion getting to 2 items faster is more important than stacking tear faster
This was great! Time to run her top lane!
This type of content is why i subscribed and watch LS, please do this more often
Thank you so much LS! First ranked I play after your video, I got to play against Kai'Sa top trying out your build! Thanks for the free LP!
why not buy boots?
Always loved playing kaisa and this build is making it so much more fun!! Stomping every game 💯
Wow, one of the best videos you ever put out.
imo from experience this build is really hard to play in soloq, even in masters people just want to contest early and dont respect your scalings at all (inb4 low masta is bad yada, yada, i expect that from top 0.5%)
im sure for comp this is going to be strong
LS great video, what boots would be best?
Hey LS! I missed a couple of your earlier streams this year and was wondering what made you choose Streaming CBLol over LEC. Was it more of a decision between Co-Streaming and LIVE-Viewing or did you want to explore different regions?
Hey LS, been a fan for quite a long time. I dont play much rank but ive got almost 600k on kaisa playing strictly ap mid. Id love to talk to you about it sometime if you have the time! I think for mid specifically different rune is optimal for majority of matchups in solo Q for specific reasons focused on using kaisas passive level 1-2 and or 5
I'm curious how this would translate to midlane Kai'Sa, since that's something that is still seeing play in both soloQ and occasionally in pro. Is this build strictly viable bot lane, or could it be run mid? Are there any changes that you would make mid, or other requirements on the team (specific junglers?) that make it viable/unviable?
Great build, i just feel like it is counterred by champs like udyr going one mr item in their core build and just blocking most of ur w casts with their own shield. In the games where i encountered those kind of champs i wasnt able to get of enough poke and therefore was missing the utility from e upgrade to be able to kite their engange. I must admit that i did not have void yet, so maybe skipping the rabbadons for void would win me those games. Great video
it would be really nice to see more videos like this one for other champions
Considering the items recommended by LS ingenious hunter should be the best of the hunter bunch. It benefits Ludens the most, reduces tear stacking time and Zhonya cd. Also Domination/inspiration is a good rune combo as well.
which stat shards would be optimal? is there a threshold with the Ability Haste in slot 1 to hit or is Attack Speed better for last hittin? 2nd adaptive force pretty much. verdict on 3rd? not sure on either, early hp ( keep in mind more base hp means more hp on levelups) or scaling as you want to be online arround 20+ mins anyways?
Watched the vid over and not once were boots mentioned so I’m wondering what your opinions are regarding boots on Ms.Exodia
Thank you for your thoughts LS.
I need more of these videos for my emerald games thank you
What do you think about going eclipse into nashor's?
I've been using this build for some time now and it's working out really good
happy you making this types of videos they are alway great
more of these kinds of vids plz this was very very informative
Hey LS! Thank you so much for the video i feel so seen that someone else vouch for the build i keep getting flamed doing.
That being said have you seen the eclipse variation of ap kaisa thats become popular recently?
(Incase you havent its eclipse, nash into standard ap kaisa stuff)
Great vid thanks LS
Great video LS!
That Kai'sa animation in beginning 0:07 is so clean. Is there link to it anywhere?
ruclips.net/video/3pP-Mp0cviU/видео.html
just her release login screen
Nasus support did me good, another banger.
i love the video, tried out the build and i love it, feels very good to play it. i'm experimenting going core items with zerks + rageblade/krakens, i still don't know what's the play to get E evolve, i know maybe it doesn't need it but well autism i just CAN'T not have my E evolve on my kaisa or i go insane
i also wanna mention that riot's default runes on almost EVERY inspiration tree has the cursed cookies and every time i don't edit my runes i end up tilting ingame. i wish they traded triple tonic for the cookies already, i know they don't fill the same "role" at all but still feel to me like such a bait rune slot on literally every champion (i know i might be wrong but i'm biased what i else can i say).
I am honestly surprised that LS doesn't deem Ingenious Hunter as a viable pick here.
The faster tear stacking may be negligible, but you'd thing that faster accumulation of Luden stacks/lower cooldown on Cryptbloom heal would be a very good thing for this build
Cryptobloom heal is bad, you get the item for the stats it gives not the passive 😅
A month ago he thought Ingenious was better.
But he said in this video he tested runes and items more. Came to the conclusion that relentless or treasure hunter is just better.
I would love to have more videos like this one, it’s a way better visual way, for the more casual person.
I am really happy you checked the rabadons vs liandry, because I immeadiatly checked my self what the stat comparison was and was a little confused when on stream you were saying liandry deals more, when it is slightly less.
Best argument I could see there, was you could have an amplifying tome on top of your liandry with 600 extra gold and the build path is probably better, but the rabadons burst is pretty heavy.
Thoughts on the eclipse version of this or is it not as good due to the lack of mana sustain and reliance on jgler taking blue buffs ?
Is eclipse first item at all justifiable? It gives a lot of ad for a quick q evolve, and I think you don't necessarily need the mana from manamune if you take pressence of mind/ biscuits, and there is also the new blue buff that goes to your whole team. Going nashors 2nd leaves you with all 3 abilities evolved, and you can always pivot to the full ap build later in the match. Maybe it is better in solo q?
Video has great structure, very informative
Great video! Still going bork rageblade kraken though
Thank you for the video, I was a kaisa main and hit 152 lp masters. Now I started playing the game again and am d4. May this guide boost my elo
@LS Is AD twisted fate not fundamentally broken atm. There is no counter play.
If you build Merc Treads to not get 2 second cc every 5 seconds then you take too much damage from his autos.
If you take ninja tabbi to reduce his auto damage then you are permanently cced.
Do you consider this broken?
thank you very much for finding the strength to upload this after previous comments. dont give up
What previous comments huh
in your last costream with DonJake im pretty sure you said you had the AP kaisa video all done but you said something across the lines of not feeling motivated enough to bother with content like this anymore. how you been in the scene for years including league and you have been constantly talking to pros and nothing seems to change in meta. im currently listening the entire vod again to find it so worst case scenario about 4 and a half hours of 2x speed
@@LSXYZ9 i left a comment a couple hours after my previous one but it seems to have disappeared? perhaps because of the twitch link but ill reiterate it.
all timestamps are for the donjake costream vod. when i said 'previous comments' i was talking about your previous comments. although other peoples comments are technically a factor as well but outside of scope for this.
02:37:48 is the main reason/thought behind my comment when talking about 'previous comments.' you said you had all the things ready to create the video and that you tried to make it twice but you believed it didnt matter.
02:31:08 you mention that for years (2018-2021) people would flame you for pointing out itemization and how people thought it was easiest thing to point out. you talk about how now a days (especially within the last 2 weeks) people on twitter are talking about items/itemization including previous flamers.
lastly at 0:15:04 you talk about having conversations with pro players about ap kaisa and mention that their coaches wont let them play it or try it
all this together made me seem like you felt defeated in even trying to create educational content on league especially when it focuses on builds in this case. you have mentioned that you have been in the esports scene for years and league for such a long time and that you feel like you havent done enough for the community.
just checking in this 1 time here
I’ve always been confused on this but if kaisa has a 130% Ad scaling and 45% Ap scaling on her W, why not just get enough AP to evolve then Go full AD?
What if her build was Liandrys and Void staff then Full AD?
its all about passive
@@dinmea8011 what’s the passive interaction?
@@telepotatoe8508 every 5 stacks deals % max hp (low ad scale)