Funny sketch. There ought to be no question in anyone's mind that human activities are having a destructive impact upon the environment and living systems of this planet.
DrBerninksi: Higher temps cause CO2 increases but the incease happens around 800 years after. The fact 20th century CO2 rises match tem rises shows warming is man made. Temps fallen in the last 10 yrs? !!! Though 1998 was a peak, global temps have risen significantly between 99 and 09 - last ten years. 2000-99 is the warmest decade on record. To believe that the Medieval Warm Period is warmer than the last 50 you have to ignore all the evidence those rises were local rather than global.
There are a lot people dedicated to the stance that 'nothing is going change my mind'. It'd hardly be sensible to expect them to gain much depth or perspective with regard to something that's not right under their nose. If you don't see global warming, you see snow, then that's probably you. If you're interested, you might explore the difference between weather and climate, to start with. (Or ignore those with a better understanding than you and lobby for the right to believe what you like.)
Do pardon me, I did actually flub one of my facts It is corrected by the St. Paul speech of Lord Monckton to which I defer the title of correctitude I retained the Correlation of sun spots with warming trends as causation, when of course that is speculation, One such as myself (with limited capacity) should stick to the point of falsified data (on many a front) Would you suggest a Title & only a Title grants one the gift of comprehension? Do have a look at Monckton's Speech & my links.
There's plenty of photographic evidence of long term ice melting at the poles and greenland. One of the biggest concerns is that long term ice is melting, which has been around for decades or more, but is now melting every summer. The overall average ice cover is also reducing, leading to knock on effects such as decreased reflectivity and of course increasing sea levels. Global warming means average increase in temp, not increase everywhere all the time. Also more extreme weather patterns.
Oops, I deleted Joe's comment by mistake. Sorry Joe. Here it is again in its full glory. (I especially like the bit about separating science and state. What could be worse than allowing decision-makers access to facts, information and understanding of how things work?)
We have good reason to ignore some people's ideas. It's fine to listen to people like Monckton, but do also investigate his ideas, and also explore the thousands of intelligent, eloquent, rational arguments against virtually everything he says. He plays to people's fear of some great conspiracy, to their insecurity and greed as opposed to their sense of justice or perspective, to the manufactured spectre of 'communism' replacing 'freedom', etc. It's all a bit peurile. But thanks for the link. :)
Consider the difference between sleep and persistent vegetative state for decades. Or between having no water for a day and having no access to water. Or between throwing a six a couple of times and using a dice that always roll six. There's more to the difference than duration.
Thanks for your comments about the sketch. I know it's irresistible, but if you pile into the climate change is / isn't happening argument on here - or if you're choosing to announce your research in the comments section of a comedy sketch - then you'll probably look a bit silly. :-)
I wasn't referring to myself - I think it's generally a good idea to look to the thousands of people who've (a) achieved the very rigorous standards necessary to get into this area of research and (b) devoted decades of their lives to investigating climate from every possible angle. Collectively, they have massively more experience and understanding than you or me. If you want to believe they're all frauds and that you know better, that's up to you, but you're really missing out. Keep studying.
Seen this thanks to Andrew Revkin of New York Times, who writes some weighty articles re global warming To me, has pretty much all you need to know re the Copenhagen talks: excellent.
ever heard a song by Brad - lyrics go when we hear the thunder and the lightning, when we hear the falling of the trees, when we see that we have all been foolish should have listenened closer and believed. Never mind what you heard, never mind what you heard cos it's all gone now.
Marcus Brigstocke is the lead (and writer), and I think the rest of the Now Show crew all take part, so John Holmes, Steve Punt, maybe Mitch Benn maybe not, but I'm not sure who the woman is in this week.
1: higher temperatures cause CO2 increase, not the opposite 2: temps have fallen the past 10 years while CO2 continues to rise 3: periods of much warmer/cooler weather (and higher/lower CO2) have existed over 20,000+ years 4: planets warm/cool together, which means warming/cooling is primarily caused by the sun We need 100% separation of science and state Government funded science = propaganda Plants absorb CO2 and emit O2 Hang climate totalitarians End lies & pollution - Joe Jefferson
@rayme07 Here's a video that might make clear why the fact that you had a cold winter doesn't disagree with climate change, if you're still wondering. watch?v=yDTUuckNHgc
Why on earth would any scientist or politician want to be taken in by some crazy wrong idea that implies MASSIVE change, huge cost, lifestyle changes that will inconvenience most of the electorate, and shows them up to have failed and still be failing in their duty to act in our best interests, unless there was overwhelming evidence for it being true? I can't imagine anything more politically ridiculous. Here's another you may like: try putting "Brigstocke Climate Swindle" in your search bar :-)
This is brilliant - incrediably funny. It's just a tragedy that the topic is so serious and important.
oh, thank you so much for posting this!!!! just listening to the show on iplayer and I NEED TO SHARE THIS WITH EVERYONE!!!!!!!
cheers! :)))))
Funny sketch.
There ought to be no question in anyone's mind that human activities are having a destructive impact upon the environment and living systems of this planet.
DrBerninksi:
Higher temps cause CO2 increases but the incease happens around 800 years after. The fact 20th century CO2 rises match tem rises shows warming is man made.
Temps fallen in the last 10 yrs? !!! Though 1998 was a peak, global temps have risen significantly between 99 and 09 - last ten years. 2000-99 is the warmest decade on record.
To believe that the Medieval Warm Period is warmer than the last 50 you have to ignore all the evidence those rises were local rather than global.
very clever. unlike denialists. who are "something very unpleasant indeed"
There are a lot people dedicated to the stance that 'nothing is going change my mind'. It'd hardly be sensible to expect them to gain much depth or perspective with regard to something that's not right under their nose. If you don't see global warming, you see snow, then that's probably you. If you're interested, you might explore the difference between weather and climate, to start with. (Or ignore those with a better understanding than you and lobby for the right to believe what you like.)
@zckls04 It's like playing ping pong on a train, it may seem like the ball's headed back and forth, but it's really only going one way.
Do pardon me, I did actually flub one of my facts
It is corrected by the St. Paul speech of Lord Monckton to which I defer the title of correctitude
I retained the Correlation of sun spots with warming trends as causation, when of course that is speculation, One such as myself (with limited capacity) should stick to the point of falsified data (on many a front)
Would you suggest a Title & only a Title grants one the gift of comprehension? Do have a look at Monckton's Speech & my links.
That was a comment by someone else, which I reposted after I'd deleted it by mistake.
There's plenty of photographic evidence of long term ice melting at the poles and greenland. One of the biggest concerns is that long term ice is melting, which has been around for decades or more, but is now melting every summer. The overall average ice cover is also reducing, leading to knock on effects such as decreased reflectivity and of course increasing sea levels. Global warming means average increase in temp, not increase everywhere all the time. Also more extreme weather patterns.
This is brilliant.
@asderathos or you could listen to any other crank with a guilt-relieving story to sell you.
Oops, I deleted Joe's comment by mistake. Sorry Joe. Here it is again in its full glory. (I especially like the bit about separating science and state. What could be worse than allowing decision-makers access to facts, information and understanding of how things work?)
Lord Monckton's St. Paul Presentation With Slides - /watch?v=4zOXmJ4jd-8
Fossil fuels are here today, but nuclear energy is here to stay.
This is absolutely brilliant
such an amazing bit of poetry. thanks for putting this up = )
We have good reason to ignore some people's ideas. It's fine to listen to people like Monckton, but do also investigate his ideas, and also explore the thousands of intelligent, eloquent, rational arguments against virtually everything he says. He plays to people's fear of some great conspiracy, to their insecurity and greed as opposed to their sense of justice or perspective, to the manufactured spectre of 'communism' replacing 'freedom', etc. It's all a bit peurile. But thanks for the link. :)
Consider the difference between sleep and persistent vegetative state for decades. Or between having no water for a day and having no access to water. Or between throwing a six a couple of times and using a dice that always roll six. There's more to the difference than duration.
Thanks for your comments about the sketch.
I know it's irresistible, but if you pile into the climate change is / isn't happening argument on here - or if you're choosing to announce your research in the comments section of a comedy sketch - then you'll probably look a bit silly. :-)
I wasn't referring to myself - I think it's generally a good idea to look to the thousands of people who've (a) achieved the very rigorous standards necessary to get into this area of research and (b) devoted decades of their lives to investigating climate from every possible angle. Collectively, they have massively more experience and understanding than you or me. If you want to believe they're all frauds and that you know better, that's up to you, but you're really missing out. Keep studying.
Exactly. What scientific data?
Seen this thanks to Andrew Revkin of New York Times, who writes some weighty articles re global warming
To me, has pretty much all you need to know re the Copenhagen talks: excellent.
& Yer welcome fer teh link.
So we can put CO2 into the air, knowing that it has a significant destabilising effect, as long as we take it out again just as fast.
Yes - excellent - "People, please, research the truth. Nowadays it isn't tough to do." Nice delivery :-)
What data?
ever heard a song by Brad - lyrics go
when we hear the thunder and the lightning,
when we hear the falling of the trees,
when we see that we have all been foolish
should have listenened closer and believed.
Never mind what you heard, never mind what you heard
cos it's all gone now.
Marcus Brigstocke is the lead (and writer), and I think the rest of the Now Show crew all take part, so John Holmes, Steve Punt, maybe Mitch Benn maybe not, but I'm not sure who the woman is in this week.
i feel slightly sad about this because it sounds like he was a journalist there. its scarily true. even about Ban Ki Moon
@romeosevendelta oh, right. Thanks for that. :-/
thankyou for posting, is awesome and otherwise my brother would never have heard it
Ok, I tried... they've nothing in common.
thanks for posting - if you hadnt - I wd have!
1: higher temperatures cause CO2 increase, not the opposite
2: temps have fallen the past 10 years while CO2 continues to rise
3: periods of much warmer/cooler weather (and higher/lower CO2) have existed over 20,000+ years
4: planets warm/cool together, which means warming/cooling is primarily caused by the sun
We need 100% separation of science and state
Government funded science = propaganda
Plants absorb CO2 and emit O2
Hang climate totalitarians
End lies & pollution
- Joe Jefferson
brigstok at his best.
thanks! =)
@rayme07 Here's a video that might make clear why the fact that you had a cold winter doesn't disagree with climate change, if you're still wondering.
watch?v=yDTUuckNHgc
Who's talking, besides Hugh Dennis?
It’s Marcus Brigstocke leading the poetry
Must... learn... off... by... heart!
Why on earth would any scientist or politician want to be taken in by some crazy wrong idea that implies MASSIVE change, huge cost, lifestyle changes that will inconvenience most of the electorate, and shows them up to have failed and still be failing in their duty to act in our best interests, unless there was overwhelming evidence for it being true? I can't imagine anything more politically ridiculous. Here's another you may like: try putting "Brigstocke Climate Swindle" in your search bar :-)