Making Sense of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (OCON 2017)

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  • @andriaspindel9570
    @andriaspindel9570 3 года назад +15

    The Arab issue has never really been about land; it is religous, it is Islamist, it is about not accepting Jews in the presence of a Muslim region, a land previously dominated by Islam and it is a
    continuation of the war begun even before 1948, and furthered by the ARab alliance with the Nazis. The notion of Palestinians was invented in 1967. Yes, born by dictatorships but note the KGB role in working with Arafat to create the concept of Palestinains being ARabs.

  • @neway20045
    @neway20045 7 лет назад +31

    Tip: watch on 1.25 speed. :0)

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      @AdamAlbilya1 5 лет назад +1

      I'm on 1.5 by default, saves so much time.

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  • @theklorg305
    @theklorg305 3 года назад +5

    Hit the nail on the head. We don't use the bombing of Japan to say the allies were immoral in WW2, so don't use self-defense like America did against Japan and Germany to say Israel is immoral now.

  • @davidhughes2045
    @davidhughes2045 5 лет назад +14

    There's nothing like objective analysis..... and this is nothing like objective analysis 😞

  • @johnmartini2755
    @johnmartini2755 5 лет назад +7

    20 mins watched and still know nothing yet

    • @wacademy100
      @wacademy100 3 года назад

      Exactly. He's tWisted everything and hidden it

  • @jameslevitt7313
    @jameslevitt7313 5 лет назад +1

    Im glad most people in the comment section can see this is anything but objective analysis 🤔

  • @clairerobsin
    @clairerobsin Год назад

    ...could we make sense of this 5 years ago? How things have fallen off since then!

  • @andrewphoenix3609
    @andrewphoenix3609 5 лет назад +3

    How many incorrect assumptions can you roll into an objective analysis.

  • @hiimmeurnot
    @hiimmeurnot 4 года назад +2

    I don't know if I've ever heard a speaker talk so much and say so little. 25 minutes in and virtually nothing but filler, opinions, and redundancy.

    • @ominousparallel3854
      @ominousparallel3854 Год назад +1

      And yet you commented. Something must have bothered you to the point you needed to say something nasty.

  • @richardgietzen4591
    @richardgietzen4591 3 года назад +1

    Hum : this guy rambles :
    If you want some understanding of the conflict read.
    ( Against our better judgement) by (Alison Weir)
    Good back ground information

  • @tsflanders2654
    @tsflanders2654 3 года назад

    I wonder where this speaker is form. His accent dips in and out. I think he might have spent some time in South Africa or Australia.

  • @jahernandez123
    @jahernandez123 5 лет назад +4

    Read Joan Peters researched book - eye opener

  • @andriaspindel9570
    @andriaspindel9570 3 года назад

    Don't understimate John Hagee as Jews rely on Torah, so does Hagee, first and foremost.

  • @salamisfamagusta2918
    @salamisfamagusta2918 5 лет назад

    Any you would disagree with Kerry the American envoy wouldn't you

  • @TheVoodoo4u
    @TheVoodoo4u 6 лет назад +11

    Why is it so difficult to find a truly balanced perspective on this conflict? Whenever I see something like this that clearly has a biased perspective cloaked in a pseudo-intellectual monologue, I shake my head in wonder. Does the speaker have a dog in this fight? Clearly he does.
    Why is it so difficult to have compassion and respect for both Israelis and Palestinians and allow a two state solution? Demonizing one side or the other is more to the point as to why this conflict can't be solved. The area has been steeped in conflict and bloodshed for thousands of years with the dominant side writing the prevailing history. I think once again we're seeing history repeating. This is not going to end well for the Palestinians I think and in 100-200 years, history will record that the Israelis vanquished a terrible and powerful enemy and G_D was on their side. Sad. Truly sad.

    • @plsegott
      @plsegott 5 лет назад +1

      Because theft is never okay. The only right thing is for the Jews to leave Israel. Stealth of land is never okay.

    • @keeganmoonshine7183
      @keeganmoonshine7183 5 лет назад +1

      Aynd Rand institute is a far right think-tank. You are smoking crack if you are coming to them for an unbiased view.

    • @lironyechzkia2783
      @lironyechzkia2783 5 лет назад +2

      plsegott even if it was yours from the beginning

    • @plsegott
      @plsegott 5 лет назад +1

      @@lironyechzkia2783 Ethnic claims are bogus. You need proof that it belongs to ur family. Ashkenazim have extraction from 900 ad italy. Then Ashkenazim can also conquer Italy since it was theirs from the beginning :D.

    • @cleanwaternasenyiuganda8124
      @cleanwaternasenyiuganda8124 5 лет назад +5

      Because one side except the partition while another keeps fighting for it all and losing. It's absolutely very possible to have compassion for the people hurt on both sides of the conflict. It's very very hard to sympathize with the Arab leadership.

  • @michaeldorembus2461
    @michaeldorembus2461 2 года назад +1

    Initially not an effective speaker.Constantly repeats himself without clarity.Would be better if he spoke from prepared notes and not try to look as if he's speaking off the cuff., although he gets better over time

  • @carlroberts4963
    @carlroberts4963 2 года назад

    How.did.that.land.get.to
    Be.called.isreal.who.named.
    It.so.when.it.was.all.palistin

  • @jameslevitt7313
    @jameslevitt7313 5 лет назад

    the first point that stands out to me is.......there is a partition plan where a majority of the land is being is being given to a refugee population that are a minority..... unless someone can explain the morality and ethics of that calculation you cannot address the root cause of the conflict ..!

    • @matanstern3401
      @matanstern3401 5 лет назад

      If the Palestinian leadership had accepted the Zionists original partition plan, which was 20% of the land granted to Israel, this would not be the case. Especially when taking into account that Jordan was originally part of the Mandate for Palestine, making that Israeli percentage even smaller. However, the Palestinian leadership rejected that partition plan, rejected the one after that, and then launched a war on Israel, so who can really be to blame?

    • @jameslevitt7313
      @jameslevitt7313 5 лет назад +1

      Matan Stern you are starting with the assumption that the refugee has the authority to dictate to the host how much of the home they are willing to accept.....how much of your home would you be willing to give to a refugee today ???
      ( where is it stated that zionists wanted 20%)
      What would be your reaction if a refugee declared “ I want 20% of your home” would you resist ???
      If you did resist then the Zionist declare “you don’t want peace” and therefore they have the right to take control of the whole home.
      I don’t see how this is fair or just.
      To see if Zionism is just , apply it to yourself , and see if you can accept it ..... if you can’t accept it , then don’t impose it in someone else.

    • @TheoSolomon-db7mn
      @TheoSolomon-db7mn 10 месяцев назад

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      Ppl​@@matanstern3401
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  • @hillkiran
    @hillkiran 2 года назад +4

    “A free country” - I don’t think you can claim that a country with Apartheid is a free country

    • @TheStoneTableMedia
      @TheStoneTableMedia Год назад +2

      Apartheid. Lets consider your statement. In Israel, 20% of the population are Arab citizens with all the rights of any citizen. In all of the other Arab states (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, etc.) there are no Jews with any kind of citizenship. In Gaza, there are not only no Jews living there (because Hamas demanded that every Jew leave in a 2005 peace agreement) but also, under Hamas, there has been no election for more than a decade. So yes, people in Gaza, living under the Hamas government, are experiencing an apartheid state, because Hamas demanded it, and continues to enforce it.
      While we are at it, Jordan has expelled thousands of Palestinians and won't allow Palestinians back into Jordan. Same is true of Egypt, and Syria. Spend some time exploring the answer to that question then ask yourself why no one is protesting in those countries for their treatment of the Palestinians.

    • @ominousparallel3854
      @ominousparallel3854 Год назад +1

      @@TheStoneTableMediathis is a long answer you went through the pain of writing for someone unable to honestly approach this problem, but please be aware some of us appreciate the effort.

    • @hillkiran
      @hillkiran Год назад

      @@TheStoneTableMedia the Israelís are dead set on there being no more than 20% of the citizenry being non Jewish. That’s why the people of Gaza and the West Bank don’t have citizenship even tho they are ruled by Israel
      The Jewish settlers in the West Bank have citizenship, their non Jewish neighbors don’t . That’s apartheid

  • @kennycouch6135
    @kennycouch6135 5 лет назад +3

    Pro Israel. 👍

  • @wacademy100
    @wacademy100 3 года назад +2

    Amazing... This is an Israeli Institute... No sunset everything is whitewashed..can I ask something.. If the Jews can come after 3000years as a right of return why not the Palestinians after 70years... Perhaps I need to go to Spain and conquer them because my ancestors lived there

    • @mns8732
      @mns8732 Год назад

      Good point.

    • @dennislong7644
      @dennislong7644 Год назад +1

      Now all you have to do is find any serious person who believes that's the basis for the claim.

  • @Mr1000IA
    @Mr1000IA 3 года назад +1

    Great example of hasbara nonsense

  • @muhammadhafiztamizi6780
    @muhammadhafiztamizi6780 5 лет назад +3

    moral argument? as if this conflict is ideological clash which it is not. it is a human right issue. yes he pointed out the players, who what when. just to emphasize that Palestine will, in his assumptions creates a totalitarian, dictatorship, Islamic, conservative, slavery, radical state. he misled us to go to the sentiments of the society instead of focusing on the main issue.
    main issue is, human right. how can millions of Jews with a dream, belief (Zionism) the dream of having a country in middle east, build their strength, migrate from Europe to middle east in millions, well-financed well-supported by the west then won a war, and establish a country. evict the origin people of the place. millions Palestinians become refugees. civilian murdered. where is moral value? it is not Palestinian who want to dominate or being dominant in the territory. it is the Israel (Zionism) that keep occupying lands.
    we Muslim loves the Jews as we love our Christian as we love any other human in this world. but building a country as you wish, get rid of the original Arab people in the territory, in this modern world is not acceptable.

    • @lironyechzkia2783
      @lironyechzkia2783 5 лет назад

      Muhammad Hafiz Tamizi israel owned the land before they were enslaved by Egypt

    • @olderstrbloke604
      @olderstrbloke604 Год назад

      You, sir, need to wake up and see the roses. in 1882 when the Jews came to settle the land in big numbers, there were next to no Arabs in residence. (plenty of independent evidence of this.) Arab peasants arrived from Egypt, Syria and other lands because they realised that the bloody Jews were going to make the swamps flourish and wanted part of it. May I humbly suggest you move out of your comfort zone and carry out your own research before you act as a useful idiot for the Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians"

  • @carlroberts4963
    @carlroberts4963 2 года назад

    Can.anyone.say.how.the
    Name.isreal.get.its.name
    Only.after.the.war.refuges.

  • @aksherif
    @aksherif Год назад

    To undestand the whole story, you must start at the very begining, when you start reading a book, you start by chapter 1, and where is the begining, the begining is the begining of Israël, why Israël in the first place ??
    because the jews were persecuted ? By whome??
    Was it the palestiniens who persecuted the jews and killed 6 million of them?
    Antisémitisme, inquisitions, pogroms, concentration camps, gas chambres, all that took place in Europe, the fact is that the jews in Europe were persecuted in Europe, on the européen soil by european regimes, so why should palestiniens pay for the crimes done by others ??
    If Israël is to existe, it should be right in the center of Europe, Israël is a colonial project that was planted by force on a land that allready belonged to Someone else,
    and that is unfaire

  • @yahusefbenyisrael8705
    @yahusefbenyisrael8705 6 лет назад +2

    Yaweh at work

  • @pauldhennessey
    @pauldhennessey 5 лет назад +2

    Had to turn this off just under 1 minute in when he says the Islamic State caught a lot of us by surprise. BS

  • @TvKaplan
    @TvKaplan 6 лет назад +23

    This is amazing. He conveniently skips the elephant in the room: that at its core, this is about a native majority (the Arabs) being displaced and subject to ethnic cleansing by a minority settler community. In 1947 the Jews made up no more than 1/3 of the population and owned less than 6% of the land. An offer is put to the Palestinian Arabs that they should partition their land, with the Jews getting a majority 56%. They rightly refused. Isreal went on to take more than that 56% ever since. The root of this conflict is very simple. Be wary anytime someone tells you it's 'complex'. The facts are there for all to find out.

    • @lironyechzkia2783
      @lironyechzkia2783 5 лет назад +4

      TeeKay XXX if the Arabs didn’t want it they didn’t want it it really is simple

    • @cleanwaternasenyiuganda8124
      @cleanwaternasenyiuganda8124 5 лет назад +9

      @@lironyechzkia2783
      The Arabs didn't want that deal, now they would be lucky to get anything close to it. They certainly miscalculated their position to negotiate

    • @beng2729
      @beng2729 5 лет назад +20

      It amazes me how ignorant arabs are. You have been fed a diet of historical lies .Not bothering to seek out the truth. Let me fill in some of the historical facts that you conveniently left out.
      It is abundantly apparent that -
      a)not one historical Palestinian or Fellastinian individual of fame nor profile could be identified for the period 3000 BC till 1964, nor
      b) were there any records during this period (3000 BC to 1964) of any wars or battles fought by Palestinians or Fellastinians against foreign invaders (Romans, Umayaads, Byzantines, Persians , Crusaders, Kurds, Ottomans) in an attempt to ‘regain’ captured Jerusalem or ‘Palestine’.
      I guess the Palestinians were not around during these 4964 years but miraculously appeared in 1964 with the help of the KGB.
      Moreover, given the religious claims the ‘Palestinians ‘ have over their beloved Jerusalem and the geographical land mass they believe has been their homeland since time immemorial it is indeed ironic, bewildering and astonishing to say the least that that the words -
      Canaan (which is where the Palestinians now tell everyone they originate from), Israel (the land not the people), Judea, Jerusalem nor Palestine are ever mentioned in the Koran.
      Never not once!!
      Palestinians ‘love’ Jerusalem so much that they turn their backs on Jerusalem when praying in contempt.
      This originated when the prophet Mohammed ordered the slaughter of Jews who having converted to Islam (to avoid taxes - it was not permitted for Muslims to tax other Muslims) secretly maintained their Judaism.
      The prophet thereafter also ordered Muslims change their direction of prayer in contempt for the holy city of Judaism, Jerusalem.
      We are also told that Mohammed ascended to heaven from the Furthest Mosque - apparently located in Jerusalem.
      This is simply historically impossible as he died in 636 and the Mosque in Jerusalem was not built until 715!!
      Lastly and this is worthy of further debate.
      The Koran bequeaths the Holy Land to the Children of Israel (Suras 5.21 and 17.01).
      Any Muslim who is fighting for this land (the Palestinians) are in total defiance of the Koran.
      Many pragmatic Imams who recognise this fact are suggesting that the current turmoil in the Muslim world, the violence and the Shi’a, Sunni divisions is directly related to the Palestinian claim on Jerusalem in total defiance and indeed mocking the Koran.
      Ironically when Jordan had control of Jerusalem 1948 - 1967, they moved and located all Government offices to Amman to dilute the importance of Jerusalem.
      Furthermore, not one Arab Head of State visited Jerusalem while under Jordanian occupation.
      Thus further myths exposed - Jerusalem is not and has never been important to Islam.
      I repeat it is NEVER mentioned in the Koran.
      Therefore you will not be surprised to learn that it was NEVER mentioned in the PLO charter of 1964!
      So surely this alone proves that Jerusalem is only important for Arab greed of land and not for religion.

      There are numerous historical quotations verifying the unimportance of Jerusalem to Islam and the myth of the ‘indigenous Palestinians‘ to the land mass.
      I have selected just some listed below.
      Other evidence debunking the ‘indigenous Palestinian‘ myth are the writings of various travelers throughout history -
      Gunner Edward Webbe 1590
      Dutch cartographer Adriaan Renand 1695
      Thackeray 1844
      James Finn 1857
      Mark Twain 1867
      B.W. Johnson 1892
      None of whom wrote of any Palestinian presence.
      The photographic evidence of Leo Kahn in 1912 verifies an absence of a Palestinian culture/people.
      Here below are some relevant historical quotes proving that Palestinians are a fiction.
      Today’s Palestinians are simply an amalgamation of mainly Arab Muslims from surrounding countries morphed into political parties all with a Nazi manifesto.
      Ibn Taymiyyah 1263 - 1328, one of Islams foremost historical scholars wrote..
      In Jerusalem there is not a place one calls sacred and the same holds true for the tombs of Hebron.
      The other myth that we have recently exposed is the numerical absurdity of Palestinian refugees.
      To remind ourselves, the current narrative is that in 1948 there were 700,000 Palestinian refugees forcibly removed from their homes by the Zionists and now in 2018 and a ‘genocide’ committed by the Israelis on them there are now 7 million Palestinians.
      Human reproduction records have been blown out of the water by the sex craved, abundantly productive Palestinian women.
      If British women could reproduce at the same rate the population of London would be 85 million and the population of the UK would be 740 million.
      Similarly the population of New York City would be 120 million!
      And all that without a genocide!
      Both the original and current refugee figures have been grossly exaggerated for political purposes but seem to go unchallenged by both the media and our Parliamentary representatives.
      Moreover, there is sufficient evidence to verify the majority of Arabs entered Palestine on the back of Zionist economic growth and were never indigenous to the area.
      Tewlik Bey El Houran, Governor of Houran Province in Southern Syria, stated in an interview with La Syne August 12th 1934,
      ‘that in the last few months, 30,000 to 36,000 Syrians had entered and settled in Palestine.’
      Interestingly, there is an enormous amount of evidence which contradicts the Palestinian narrative about forceful removal by Zionists.
      Below are just a selection of articles/essays which run counter to the volley of lies spewed out over decades by Palestinians and their anti semitic and intellectually backward supporters.
      Emile Ghoury, Secretary of the Palestinian Arab Higher Commission, in an interview with the Beirut Telegraph Sept. 6 1948…
      ‘The Arab State which had encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies. have failed to keep their promises to help refugees ‘
      The Jordanian daily newspaper Falestin Feb. 19, 1949…
      ‘Who brought the Palestinians to Lebanon as refugees , suffering now from the malign attitude of newspapers and communal leaders, who have neither honor nor conscience? Who brought them over in dire straits and penniless after they lost their honor? The Arab States and Lebanon amongst them did it’.
      The Beirut Muslim weekly, Kul-Shay, Aug. 19 1951…
      ‘The 15th May 1948 arrived…on that day the Mufti of Jerusalem appealed to the Arabs of Palestine to leave the country because the Arab armies were about to enter and fight in their stead’.
      The Cairo daily Akhbar el Yom, Oct. 2 1963…
      ‘For the fight and fall of other villages it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of rumours exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs…. By spreading rumours of Jewish atrocities, killings of women and children etc. they instilled fear and terror in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine until they fled, leaving their homes and properties ‘
      The Jordanian daily newspaper Al Urdub April 9 1963 editorial stated…
      ‘I could go on and on with this forgotten or deliberately obscured history. But you get the point. There was no Jewish conspiracy to chase Arabs out of their homes in 1948. It never happened. There are instead plenty of historical records showing the Jews pleading with their Arab neighbours to stay and live in peace and harmony. Yet, despite the clear unambiguous words of the Arab observers at the time, history has been successfully rewritten to turn the Jews into the bad guys’.
      Joseph Farah, Arab historian and journalist, ‘The worlds collective amnesia’, Sept. 19 2002 is a masterpiece of investigative detection which far more elegantly and eloquently exposes the Palestinian myth in ‘Myths of the Middle East’.
      ‘There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians - another recent invention , Syrians, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 per cepont of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one tenth of one per cent of the land mass. But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what fighting Israel is about today…no matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough’.
      These historical , recorded articles are evidence enough but what is even more interesting perhaps is the fact that none of the Arab journalists or historians refer to the displaced people as Palestinians.
      They are called Arabs.
      The genre ‘Palestinians’ did not exist.

    • @beng2729
      @beng2729 5 лет назад +11

      The truth is that circa 70 % of Arabs who left in 1948 - and truthful estimates are around 250,000 to 300,000, never saw an Israeli soldier.
      Elmo Hutchison, an American pro-Arab diplomat on the U.N. Security Council, was the most incompetent source of such information during the initial period and even his 300,000 figure of refugees was almost certainly overstated because of his pro Arab agenda.
      The Arab States initiated the war and never accepted responsibility despite their enormous wealth, to assimilate their Muslim refugee brothers in largely under populated Arab nations.
      The Arab public relations machine has been hugely successful in blaming this international tragedy on the Jews and the charade continues to this day.
      The suffering of the Arab refugees is perpetuated only for political purposes by the Arab States.
      As at the time of writing it is apparent that this farce is being gradually challenged politically.
      The Palestinians have been used as pawns to destroy Israel.
      After WW2, there were some 100 million refugees - all bar the Arab refugees have been successfully integrated and millions of Jews, ethnically cleansed from Arab States have been absorbed into tiny Israel.
      It is a geopolitical and human absurdity to expect Israel to solve a refugee problem it did not create.
      Now here comes the sweetest part of my essay - almost orgasmic for someone of my political ideology.
      There exists further historical evidence, reconfirming such articles highlighted above that totally debunks the Palestinian narrative.
      And it comes not from rabidly obsessed Zionist fanatics but from Arabs, Islamists, and former and reformed enemies of the Jewish State .
      Abd al -Mahdi, Arab Ambassador before the Peel Commission 1937…
      ‘There is no such land as Palestine. It is a term invented by ZIONISTS (capitals intended). There is no Palestine in the Koran. Our land was for hundreds of years part of Syria’.
      Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian 1946…
      ‘There is no such thing as Palestine, absolutely no such thing’.
      Ahmad Shukan 1956 Arab League Ambassador to the UN…
      ‘Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all. This land is nothing but the southern portion of greater Syria’.
      Zuhair Mushin, member of the PLO Executive Council 1967…
      ‘There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanes. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political purposes that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity..yes the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian State is a new tool in the continuing battle against Zionism’.
      Hafez Assad, ex Syrian Dictator to the PLO…
      ‘You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point. There is no such thing as a Palestinian entity or people.There is only Syria.’.
      Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist stated…
      ‘Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian? We did not mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian. Then all of a sudden we were Palestinian - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag. When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out’.
      Fathi Hmad, Hamas Minister of the Interior and head of National Security on Al Hakma TV , March 23 2012 , in an abortive attempt to appeal to Egyptian donors.
      ‘ …every Palestinian in Gaza and throughout Palestine can prove his Arab roots - whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen , from anywhere. So where is your affection and mercy? We have blood ties. Personally all my family is Egyptian. We are like that, brothers. Half of the Palestinians are Egyptians the other half Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Misr who have roots from Egypt. They may be from Alexandria or Cairo , from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians Arabs Muslims’.
      Isn’t it too the irony of all ironies that in the mother tongue of the Palestinians which is Arabic, there is no sound for the letter P!!!
      Why therefore do the Palestinians call themselves a name they cannot the pronounce?
      Oh they will answer - we call ourselves in Arabic Fellastinians.
      Research verifies that Fellastinian is Arabic for Philistinians who became extinct in 1200 BC and came from the Greek Islands and parts of Asia Minor.
      Perhaps the Palestinians should claim Corfu or Crete as their capital.
      Isn’t it also ironic that the Palestinian name is more relevant to Jews.
      The Anglo Palestine Bank (now Bank Leumi), the Palestine Post (now the Jerusalem Post), and the Palestine Wine Company (now Palwins).
      Even pre- and post war postage stamps from Palestine show Jewish emblems.
      Religioqusly and historically there is no justification for a Palestinian State.
      Legally there is no such claim either but this is subject to another separate post as it is rather boring and complex.
      Suffice it to say that the
      San Remo Treaty, 1920
      Treaty of Sevres 1920
      Anglo American Boundary Convention 1924
      League Of Nations Covenant 1922
      U.N. Charter Article 80, 1945
      South West African Treaty 1966
      Vienna Convention 1969 and
      Court Of Versailles Ruling 2014
      are all the International Legal rulings permitting Israel’s land mass to be three times the current size.
      Moreover, the international Legal principles of Estoppal and Acquired Rights confirm all of those rulings and Treaties I have listed.
      No U.N. Resolution stops, limits, or dilutes any of the above.
      There is a very simple way to expose any errors in my essay regarding the narrative of the indigenous Palestinians from time immemorial whose land has been stolen by Zionists.
      Just give me the names of indigenous Palestinians - not families who from their names originated from other surrounding countries.
      Or give me the names of any wars or battles Palestinians fought against invaders from time immemorial to 1947.
      And the names of their leaders!!!

    • @jacobbarker544
      @jacobbarker544 5 лет назад +7

      They were supposed to get all of it and the Arabs would get Jordan (along with the rest of the Arab world). The Jews accepted a worse deal than they had been told before.

  • @aloufi66
    @aloufi66 2 года назад

    There is no sense with this so-called making sense presentation

  • @retromograph3893
    @retromograph3893 Год назад +1

    My goodness, i hope people didn't spend good money to listen to this very poor speaker …..

  • @truemusicmedia
    @truemusicmedia 5 лет назад +3

    Where to begin. I like the fact that through the entire lecture he talks about how Arabs are bad and Israel is a democratic country that makes nice apps and has fancy technology. On your nice timeline slide i see that you conveniently didn't say anything about 1917. The only objective thing about this entire lecture is how Bias this individual is. Tell you what, i'll give it to you, Arabs are authoritarian countries (i'll throw away the towel). But where in the sense of morality do you justify Britain handing off something which isn't theirs to someone else? Is this justifiable because Israel can make nice apps?

    • @pramodabandaru3566
      @pramodabandaru3566 3 года назад

      Yes. Secular regimes alone have a right to exist.

    • @tsflanders2654
      @tsflanders2654 3 года назад

      Ottomans lost WWI. The winner of the war gets the loser’s stuff. This is something that Arabs have never seemed to grasp. They think that they can start a war and there are no consequences, after they inevitably lose.

    • @truemusicmedia
      @truemusicmedia 3 года назад

      @@tsflanders2654 My G. I appreciate the perspective. I'm over this conversation. It goes no where no matter how you slice and dice it. I'm retired from this topic at this point.

    • @olderstrbloke604
      @olderstrbloke604 Год назад

      You, sir, need to wake up and see the roses. in 1882 when the Jews came to settle the land in big numbers, there were next to no Arabs in residence. (plenty of independent evidence of this.) Arab peasants arrived from Egypt, Syria and other lands because they realised that the bloody Jews were going to make the swamps flourish and wanted part of it. May I humbly suggest you move out of your comfort zone and carry out your own research before you act as a useful idiot for the Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians"

    • @roguedisciple5961
      @roguedisciple5961 11 месяцев назад

      By this logic, the land shouldn't have belonged to the Ottoman Empire either.

  • @ariesfirst
    @ariesfirst 6 лет назад +9

    GOD BLESS ISRAEL!!!

    • @yahusefbenyisrael8705
      @yahusefbenyisrael8705 6 лет назад

      Yah is cleaning out Israel for the Real Hebrews

    • @Kingkejser
      @Kingkejser 5 лет назад +1

      You mean Isra hell

    • @dennislong7644
      @dennislong7644 Год назад

      That's an interesting take to leave on an objectivist RUclips video. I think the speaker would tell you God has nothing to do with it.

  • @tshelanindawonde5666
    @tshelanindawonde5666 3 года назад

    Jaundiced deceitful narrative

  • @fazeln
    @fazeln 5 лет назад +2

    If you were trying to have an objective and neutral discourse, you failed miserably because you clearly have an agenda and are biased. You are also ignorant about freedoms in neighbouring countries such as Lebanon. In any case freedom doesn't give a country carte blanche to occupy, oppress and murder.
    I lost interest after the first 15 minutes.

    • @matanstern3401
      @matanstern3401 5 лет назад

      Palestinian refugees in Lebanon are second-class citizens, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

  • @mns8732
    @mns8732 Год назад

    He deserves no comment.

  • @almos6392
    @almos6392 6 лет назад +3

    bs talk

    • @rossmacben
      @rossmacben 6 лет назад +1

      Any opinion other than yours is bs talk huh

  • @djh7087
    @djh7087 5 лет назад +2

    59:15
    Oh Jeezeus - Ari is ignorant, shilling for Israel, or both.
    The Pals don’t define what a refugee is - international law does, and it is the same for everyone. Whether a refugee from Libya, Haiti, Venezuela, Syria, WWII Poland or Germany, Palestine, or elsewhere. the definition of refugee is the same for all people.

    • @theklorg305
      @theklorg305 3 года назад +2

      Or, you're wrong. The definition of Refugee IS the same for all people-the Palestinians aren't refugees by this definition

  • @andrewphoenix3609
    @andrewphoenix3609 5 лет назад +6

    He also assumes that the leadership in Israel and Palestine represent what the people want. Palestine is only led by Islamists because somebody gave away their land and subsequently committed an act of genocide during the 1948 nakba. He offers no representation of how the palestians moved from being taken over by the British and then partitioned with the Jews. As far as I know the Palestinians had welcomed them in, until the genocide. So his basic assumption is that all Palestinians want to eliminate all Jews, which is incorrect. But it represents the fears of those Jews that want to eliminate all Palestinians, which is the narrative reinforced by Netanyahu.
    Any attempt at peace does need to deal with the moral question, but again he assumes that Israelis want peace and Palestinians don't. The moral basis should start with all should be treated as equals and no race has more rights than any other.
    On that basis you either create one nation where all are treated as equal and neither jew nor palestians has autonomy over the other. Or you create 2 states, with independant sovereignty, both recognised as independant nations.
    Unfortunaly the criss cross of settlements in the occupied region and gaza make this almost impossible to happen.
    So much for objectivity...

    • @olderstrbloke604
      @olderstrbloke604 Год назад

      You, sir, need to wake up and see the roses. in 1882 when the Jews came to settle the land in big numbers, there were next to no Arabs in residence. (plenty of independent evidence of this.) Arab peasants arrived from Egypt, Syria and other lands because they realised that the bloody Jews were going to make the swamps flourish and wanted part of it. May I humbly suggest you move out of your comfort zone and carry out your own research before you act as a useful idiot for the Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians".

  • @dontplay5935
    @dontplay5935 5 лет назад +1

    Read your bible professor, everything about this conflict is in it. From beginning till end of days.

  • @jameslevitt7313
    @jameslevitt7313 5 лет назад

    quitting this lecture at 11.31 minutes when the lecturer, that claims to be objective, blames the conflict on dictatorial Arab regimes because they "didn't want there to be an Israel"....
    but is it not dictatorial for western powers to grant land to people from Europe, without any say of the people who were living in that land ???
    anything but objective

    • @matanstern3401
      @matanstern3401 5 лет назад +1

      Jews had been living in that land since before Islam was conceived, the people from Europe were refugees who only added to that number.

    • @jameslevitt7313
      @jameslevitt7313 5 лет назад +1

      Matan Stern first ... not all Jews are indigenous to the Mid East and do not have an automatic right to live there based on ancestry from 2000 years ago ( even if you could prove that direct decent)
      ....if Jews had been living in the land for hundreds of years with Arab people, then why did European Jews come and divide the land and people giving the refugee the majority of the land?
      Jews that were living there were in a vast minority but the Jews coming from Europe wanted to become a vast majority ... so with the help of European powers they decided to dispossess the people living there.