I don't run flat filed chains anymore on my bigger saws. It takes too long to dress them up whenever you're in the woods, and the amount of time they save me in the cut doesn't add up to the extra time spent with a file. I have a couple of square grounds just for certain tasks or showing off, but I don't really use them.
Very interesting, Tyler. You are a pro cutter so I can understand your curiosity about that. I worked on the landing on a Cat show so I got a lot of dirt, so I stuck with the round chain. I had to learn how to sharpen a chain by hand too. Also, thanks for the message at the end. Let's worship together.
Im cutting on the other side of the world and cut nothing but hardwoods. The results are the same here when letting both types of chain self feed. The reduced side and top plate angles on the square cutters limit its ability to self feed. If you have both types, in the same sequence, and apply feed pressure, the square usually wins. I square file because I wanted to learn how and now its not different to filing round for me after a lot of frustration and practice
Those two chains are not comparable because one is full comp and the other is skip. Do a full comp square against full comp round or skip ground against skip round. The reason I'm saying this is the amount of teeth determines how fast a sharp chain cuts. And they have to be the same size bar cause a short bar will cut faster then a long bar. Because long bars equals more teeth for drag and more weight that the motor has to move.
I am in Applachians and currently use loops of full compliment C83 which I round file during work day and grind occasionally, Cutting oak, beech, maple, black cherry, etc. No experience with square ground or skip. I do not get the definition of what your term "full skip". Is that compared to a double skip or even less cutters per loop? No all west western cutters, use square filing, for instance Bjarney Butler/
I didnt know he used round tooth chains. I imagine being in BC, its much harder to square grind chains when your working out of a camp. Full skip just means there are two tie straps between each cutter instead of one.
Sq gnd is the best at changing directions, or cleaning up a dutchman, im suprised the full comp beat it. Pretty nifty. Should have dogged in and see what cut the fastest, as far as going dull, in my opinion the sq gets dull faster. Or really which ever get into the mud faster😂😂😂 We had this argument the other day at work, and i said full comp cut better than skip, and the boss says no your chain weighs less so it goes faster, which i never timed nothing, anyways yeah time saving is in the sharpening for sure
Thats a good point. Its almost like comparing different drive sprockets comparing speed to power. I would imagined that using all of the bar/chain would make a difference as well.
@TylerRegli oh man truth. All I know is a filed chain by an old man is faster than anything I can file 😄 I always used semi chisel for bucking and climbing when I was logging, but it was all they had for my saw, good video man
compare apples to apples. How can you compare round to skip if one has more teeth? Everyone knows square is about 10-15% faster if the angles are correct and consistent
Here in east coast in 31 years of tree service and clearance never met any one that sqaure ground ..it's a western thing and I've tryed it..and it doesent last any longer..just did big 8ft hickory s and was no better thst cookie cutting stuff online has made it a fad and cultural thing..out west fellers use it fir felling fir cedar redwoods ..I m freinds with some of the best .but its not a advantage in East coast for daily work..or firewood..maybe if guy has a sihmington.grinder other wise not worth it
This was why I wanted to to do this test. We know the square tooth is sharper than the round tooth. And we know a full comp chain cuts faster than a full skip chain. So what would happen when you have 33% more teeth on a chain when the tooth is 15% less sharp than the chain it is compared too. I hadn't seen anyone do this 'apples to oranges' comparison. Granted there are so many more factors to consider. I would bet that using the full bar in a cut, the square tooth skip dominate every time.
Yeah I never use a square ground chain on firewood. Use it for clean softwood only. Let the round tooth do the dirty work (literally). Thats why the chasers use round tooth chains on the landing to clean up logs that have been dragged through the mud
No one claims square holds longer. It is however smoother and you can curve a little bit and restarting a kerf mid cut is almost impossible with round. Falling timber its an overall better eperience
@@TylerRegli No you were clear. It just surprises me. I rarely ever use square ground, but I was always under the impression that round stays sharper in all types of wood. Good to know👍
I don't run flat filed chains anymore on my bigger saws. It takes too long to dress them up whenever you're in the woods, and the amount of time they save me in the cut doesn't add up to the extra time spent with a file. I have a couple of square grounds just for certain tasks or showing off, but I don't really use them.
Very interesting, Tyler. You are a pro cutter so I can understand your curiosity about that. I worked on the landing on a Cat show so I got a lot of dirt, so I stuck with the round chain. I had to learn how to sharpen a chain by hand too. Also, thanks for the message at the end. Let's worship together.
Amen man!
Im cutting on the other side of the world and cut nothing but hardwoods. The results are the same here when letting both types of chain self feed.
The reduced side and top plate angles on the square cutters limit its ability to self feed. If you have both types, in the same sequence, and apply feed pressure, the square usually wins.
I square file because I wanted to learn how and now its not different to filing round for me after a lot of frustration and practice
I buy square ground but my sharpener turns them round on the first re sharpening.
Those two chains are not comparable because one is full comp and the other is skip. Do a full comp square against full comp round or skip ground against skip round. The reason I'm saying this is the amount of teeth determines how fast a sharp chain cuts. And they have to be the same size bar cause a short bar will cut faster then a long bar. Because long bars equals more teeth for drag and more weight that the motor has to move.
I am in Applachians and currently use loops of full compliment C83 which I round file during work day and grind occasionally, Cutting oak, beech, maple, black cherry, etc. No experience with square ground or skip. I do not get the definition of what your term "full skip". Is that compared to a double skip or even less cutters per loop? No all west western cutters, use square filing, for instance Bjarney Butler/
I didnt know he used round tooth chains. I imagine being in BC, its much harder to square grind chains when your working out of a camp. Full skip just means there are two tie straps between each cutter instead of one.
Sq gnd is the best at changing directions, or cleaning up a dutchman, im suprised the full comp beat it. Pretty nifty. Should have dogged in and see what cut the fastest, as far as going dull, in my opinion the sq gets dull faster. Or really which ever get into the mud faster😂😂😂
We had this argument the other day at work, and i said full comp cut better than skip, and the boss says no your chain weighs less so it goes faster, which i never timed nothing, anyways yeah time saving is in the sharpening for sure
Thats a good point. Its almost like comparing different drive sprockets comparing speed to power. I would imagined that using all of the bar/chain would make a difference as well.
@TylerRegli oh man truth. All I know is a filed chain by an old man is faster than anything I can file 😄
I always used semi chisel for bucking and climbing when I was logging, but it was all they had for my saw, good video man
compare apples to apples. How can you compare round to skip if one has more teeth? Everyone knows square is about 10-15% faster if the angles are correct and consistent
Here in east coast in 31 years of tree service and clearance never met any one that sqaure ground ..it's a western thing and I've tryed it..and it doesent last any longer..just did big 8ft hickory s and was no better thst cookie cutting stuff online has made it a fad and cultural thing..out west fellers use it fir felling fir cedar redwoods ..I m freinds with some of the best .but its not a advantage in East coast for daily work..or firewood..maybe if guy has a sihmington.grinder other wise not worth it
This was why I wanted to to do this test. We know the square tooth is sharper than the round tooth. And we know a full comp chain cuts faster than a full skip chain. So what would happen when you have 33% more teeth on a chain when the tooth is 15% less sharp than the chain it is compared too. I hadn't seen anyone do this 'apples to oranges' comparison. Granted there are so many more factors to consider. I would bet that using the full bar in a cut, the square tooth skip dominate every time.
Yeah I never use a square ground chain on firewood. Use it for clean softwood only. Let the round tooth do the dirty work (literally). Thats why the chasers use round tooth chains on the landing to clean up logs that have been dragged through the mud
@@TylerRegli was for the commentor
No one claims square holds longer. It is however smoother and you can curve a little bit and restarting a kerf mid cut is almost impossible with round. Falling timber its an overall better eperience
I didn't know square ground stays sharper longer in soft wood... interesting.
I guess I should have specified, square stays longer when cutting in clean wood. This could be up for a debate though as there are so many factors.
@@TylerRegli No you were clear. It just surprises me. I rarely ever use square ground, but I was always under the impression that round stays sharper in all types of wood. Good to know👍