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As terrifying as that monologue of Henry Creel is, I can't help but laugh a bit because he is talking about his ideology and views on the world to a small child who probably doesn't understand a lot of complicated words he's saying
Also _as_ a young adult, who at most experienced _middle school_ before deciding to go Cat Killer and making himself an orphan. Like, the only way he could have had a more edgy childhood would be if he carried a little back book around and quoted poetry from it. … Edgy might be the wrong word, but I hope I got my point across.
Jamie Campbell Bower knocks it out of the park as One/Vecna. Such a good actor and so glad Priah Ferguson(Erica) had her chance to shine this season. A great episode!
This is my favorite of the whole season! Man, Jamie (001) is *PERFECT* for the role. Btw he is the one wearing the Vecna "suit", it's all practical. and he does the voice as well.
They actually dropped a very small hint about Vecna in eps 4 & 5 that everyone completely misses. Vecna, Henry, and One all have the exact same eyes. Hidden completely in plain sight, and nobody ever notices
The Vecna twist is amazing. Even if you got part of it (Vecna is One, Henry or the orderly, or the orderly is One, or Henry), there would still be a part of it that still shocks you. After this episode we all had to wait 5 weeks for the last 2. It was torture.
Facts, the fact that it has 3 parts to it made it crazy. When I watched it I got 2 of them(him being 1 and him being vecna) but the Henry one surprised me
I don't know where they're pulling that whole "whatever contract he signed with the parents" story from. They showed how he got Eleven. He took her mom, induced labor, drugged her to make her forget the birth, then told her she'd miscarried.
Eh, punishing a child who clearly learned to lie (poorly) from _somewhere_ , for attacking someone who was effectively a sister to him. Like, he’s a bastard, but so is the guy he was shocking.
Cause that's one of the only methods they can punish these kids without having their head blown up or limbs twisted, bro. He also threatened to kill her and was obviously older than her, so he's not innocent.
@@calliastah4115 probably wouldn't have happened if Brenner didn't start a program to treat these kids like genuine pigs/ science projects but i digress
@@_ripVanWinkle_ Brenner's program literally contained 001's potential rampage out there in the open world though, had the Military acquired him I'm certain the ESPers here would've been treated way worse and like killing machines. Compared to the various tests and abuse they could've been subjected through, the facility's literally childs play.
Interesting thing I just caught after countless times of rewatching this show. This season with them showing us the massacre having us think it was El, but simultaneously reminding us of El’s pet squirrel. I take that as she killed one when she had to, but befriended one when she had the chance. When you said she wouldn’t hurt a fly it clicked, amazing
You guys make a great point with Vecna and his reasoning. He makes sense as to why he starts doing what he’s doing and to some vulnerable people, he can get to them and manipulate. But others will see through it and realize his path is not correct.
Thug Nancy finally getting respect lol. I think it helps that she has more fun people to bounce off of this season. Usually she's stuck with annoying Jonathan drama that kinda holds her character back IMO. Also the Creel massacre is just an inherently more interesting mystery for her to latch onto, which can better showcase her positive qualities, like team leadership.
Yesssssssssssss. The boy drama in general distracts from her potential as an overall character to me too. Seeing her with other people or even alone helped her character he leaping into the Lake for Steve. Solidified my respect. There will be no more Nancy Slander lol
I'm not kind of guy who breakdown things or pay attention to little things when I'm watching. The reason why Henry being One and being Vecna is a big big shock to me😂 So, watching this reaction made think y'all geniuses for immediately noticing those things😂 I mean, not completely but pieces by pieces, you're putting it together🙌 Also, I love how you're liking the little Eddie moments. He's a great character and yeah, I'm gonna shut up now
Yea. Not gonna lie. I pick up more reacting than watching by myself. We bounce ideas as a group which enhances the importance of minor details. All 3 of us notice different things. I also would be using my phone or multitasking watching by myself. For y’all. I’m more engaged and making sure my commentary has “value”
@YaBoyRockLee FINALLY! I made a comment on your reaction to Season 1 Episode 8 to rewatch the pre-discussion when you caught up. LOL! Yall were talking about people who are compassionate toward "certain kinds of animals".
This is no hint, or spoiler, just a general question that I think everyone has... I don't think that they have explained her father. We do know who her mother is (Terry Ives), but her father remains a mystery. Is it Dr Brenner? Is it Vecna? Or is it someone entirely different? Who knows.
I don't think they've disclosed who El's real dad is. I also think you can take your theory one step further and ask, "Is Henry/001/Vecna the father of all the Hawkins Lab children?"
@@TrentRidley Yeah I had that theory as well but then questioned why was he okay with killing all of them but not El, originally. But he still technically has their memories in his head so that could also make sense!
I think he has to be the biological father of some, or even most of the kids, through artificial insemination. If the scientists were trying to recreate him, why wouldn't they try the most obvious way? I also don't think he consented to it. He made his views on reproduction clear in his monologue. So they either took his sperm without him knowing, or they actively sexually abused him. My theory is that he's actually the father of all of the kids *_except_* 008 and 011, which is why he taught them to use negative emotions, let them live, and helped them escape. He saw the others as faded, lesser copies of himself, which he didn't want to exist.
To be fair u cant say henry chose to be alone, he said himself that he never fit in with the other children, plus he had powers & saw into peoples minds as a child from such a young age. The fact that it shows him first learning on animals he captured & he also mentioned his mom getting him help from a doctor he wanted to escape. Confirms for me that Dr brenner is the real villain for taking all these kids and treating them like lab rats, Henry may have had issues but Brenner first having sessions with him growing up, & then raising him after his coma and keeping him for all those years definitely made him worse or the way he was. I think he truly wanted to help Eleven & probably grew to hate & resent the rest. However, notice how in S1 Papa was trying to train El by making her crush a caged Cat. He mostly encouraged Henry to do that to learn & show the Dr his strength & abilities, like he always enjoys. Papa may truly care for them but hes not a good father and did some real damage to all the kids including 1. I also noticed how Henry/1 didn't kill Papa back then, when he had the opportunity, he left him knocked out. He was only taking Eleven with him but still spared Papa most likely because of the messed up "Papa" bond they had, he was with him for at least 10+ years. We even see Eleven come to that realisation too, about Papa being the real monster, next episode.
Regarding the Hop speech about rejecting your father and your comment about an “evolutionary advantage” to preparing to move on, apparently a recent study found that adolescent boys’ brains stop responding to the sound of their mothers’ voices the same way, instead reacting more to the sound of “new voices.” So there may be something to that.
They saying for Hop to attack is dumb cuz even if he did attack it wouldn't do much, it might make the fire go out, and they would die, or at least Hop might miss or the way the Demogorgon was attacking might hit Hop and kill him. Not getting close and making sure the monster doesn't come close is smart.
Henry was cast down to the Upside Down like the Bible describes Satan being cast down like lightening. The word El is a Hebrew word for god. In season one El comes out of the gate which a LOT of people described as a “female part” so she was “reborn”. An antichrist reference.
I don’t like how the show is trying to keep Steve Nancy and johnathan as a love triangle it’s tiring now I personally think that they all need to be single and get themselves together and I also feel like Nancy likes whoever gives her the attention she wants when she wants it cause the same thing that’s happening with Steve is what happened with johnathan before she got with him and I don’t like it it’s actually toxic. And I get what Eddie was trying to do but he shouldn’t give Steve hope cause if it was anyone who would have gotten dragged in the water Nancy would have still went in without hesitation and any of the other team for that matter that’s what they do they all help each other without hesitation idk if I’m just being over dramatic or not but they all need to just let each other go and grow as better people
That's not a kid/child/teenager. That's a guinea pig/weapon, raised in lab, trained to do Brenner's bidding. The only problem with the "kid" is that he can kill people with his mind, also he kinda was a sore loser and a bit of a narcissist. Brenner should've put down that kid, not just give him a few shocks.
That memory from when she was born is the biggest reach I've seen ever☠️ they were like "alright, what do we pull? We have absolutely nothing to make it make sense"
Think it was more her life doing that ‘flash before the eyes’ thing (except, you know, visible for our benefit), since that _would_ be an obscenely vague memory to have on-tap.
@@alecLogan you're right, I always thought when people talked about that "life flashing before the eyes" things it would be more like a movie of highlights memories one has, not your whole life from beginning to end. But I guess it makes a little bit more sense.
I mean, we’re already in the realm of 70s/80s psychic science fiction. The super-brained dimension-puncturing psychic girl pulling her first sight of her her mom from the depths of her own mind doesn’t seem tooooo out there, but you’re right that it could have used some set up.
Have any of y'all seen Breaking Bad? It's probably the best written show of all time. Only 5 short seasons and would be nice to react to in the interim of season 5 of Stranger Things premiering.
I love the idea of Joyce being Joyce at Vecna, bitching him out as deserved. It’d be so good. Wish you’d left in the moment of Eddie talking to Steve about Dustin, it’s one of my favourites. Laughed at the running ‘strongest high schooler’ gag. When you’re done this, you should do Umbrella Academy or Haunting of Hill House. UA is anime-like, and HHH is a horror show that’s really about relationships. I’d love to hear your thoughts on them.
37:1037:50 When Eleven channeled her memory from when she was born, I don't think it was that she was channeling happy memories. Rather, she was still using what One/Creel/Vecna had taught her and channeling her anger. Here, rather than simple points in one's life, I think Eleven channeled her rage over the entire life that had been robbed from her.
Most of the times people say or believe they wouldn't do this and that just because of mentality, education, attention, love they got but despite of being good or bad characters, they change once they get that true power. Most of the viewers tend to ignore Eleven is not so innocent either. She has blood on her hands and vengeance in her eyes. Back in school yard she would've obliterated the bullies but is that the punishment that they really deserved in our civilised and so conventional society? One has some solid points in his speech up until he goes on a murderous rampage. Obviously this is fictional but I can't deny some parallels with a real life recent situation that happened in Colorado Springs. That guy is a Vecna type. Bullied all his life, abandoned by his father, is confused by society that tells him he can identify every day as something else, no God reliance, no true friends or no friends, goes on club where probably was rejected for being overweight and look what happened. True power resides imo in being able to control it. I can do this and that but I won't because morals, faith et cetera. Anyway we'll never know cause nobody experienced it. Great show, love your crew, keep it going 👍🏻😎.
I will say that I disagree with this comparison you are making, see, what I personally love about Henry/001/Vecna is that he didn't have and apparent outside justification for his actions. A lot of modern villains, they have a sad story of abuse and misery that explains their descents to evilness. With Henry, it is implied that he was "off" since birth. He himself says in his monologue that he was different from other children, but at the same time it doesn't seem like he cared too much. Victor clearly loved him very much and his sister didn't even got an interaction with him. His mother, as he says, correctly guessed that he was the one torturing the family and hated him *for doing that* not previously. And her method of help was looking for a professional to try and cure him for that. In his monologue, I got the impression that he was born with an antisocial disorder. He is incapable of feeling love, or remorse or attachment. I loved that. I like to have a villain who is simply evil.
I hope they manage to tie everything in the next season cause now I’m thinking this is how el escaped maybe in the first season? Brenner prob wanted to run some more tests and see how she opened the gate and where one is. Since she was so traumatized she prob ran away?
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"Papa aint that bad" i really heard that right?
Yea he's not that bad
He really isn't. He made some bad choices but I think he meant well
I just love that line delivery - “How was old blind dumb Victor … did he miss me?”
As terrifying as that monologue of Henry Creel is, I can't help but laugh a bit because he is talking about his ideology and views on the world to a small child who probably doesn't understand a lot of complicated words he's saying
Also _as_ a young adult, who at most experienced _middle school_ before deciding to go Cat Killer and making himself an orphan. Like, the only way he could have had a more edgy childhood would be if he carried a little back book around and quoted poetry from it.
… Edgy might be the wrong word, but I hope I got my point across.
I like your funny words magic man
Jamie Campbell Bower knocks it out of the park as One/Vecna. Such a good actor and so glad Priah Ferguson(Erica) had her chance to shine this season. A great episode!
And that voice as NOT altered…go look up JCB on the tonight show…you’ll see him do the voice with no technology!
This is my favorite of the whole season! Man, Jamie (001) is *PERFECT* for the role. Btw he is the one wearing the Vecna "suit", it's all practical. and he does the voice as well.
They actually dropped a very small hint about Vecna in eps 4 & 5 that everyone completely misses. Vecna, Henry, and One all have the exact same eyes. Hidden completely in plain sight, and nobody ever notices
Of coarse they have the same eyes. He's played by the same actor lol
They did a great job casting the kid who plays young Henry.
@@cjstats1514not the child
The Vecna twist is amazing. Even if you got part of it (Vecna is One, Henry or the orderly, or the orderly is One, or Henry), there would still be a part of it that still shocks you.
After this episode we all had to wait 5 weeks for the last 2. It was torture.
Facts, the fact that it has 3 parts to it made it crazy. When I watched it I got 2 of them(him being 1 and him being vecna) but the Henry one surprised me
“he became a killer we became youtubers” 😭😭😭😭
Lol
Best line!!!
Brenner: *Torturing kid in cruel way*
"Nah he's good"
I don't know where they're pulling that whole "whatever contract he signed with the parents" story from. They showed how he got Eleven. He took her mom, induced labor, drugged her to make her forget the birth, then told her she'd miscarried.
Eh, punishing a child who clearly learned to lie (poorly) from _somewhere_ , for attacking someone who was effectively a sister to him.
Like, he’s a bastard, but so is the guy he was shocking.
Cause that's one of the only methods they can punish these kids without having their head blown up or limbs twisted, bro. He also threatened to kill her and was obviously older than her, so he's not innocent.
@@calliastah4115 probably wouldn't have happened if Brenner didn't start a program to treat these kids like genuine pigs/ science projects but i digress
@@_ripVanWinkle_ Brenner's program literally contained 001's potential rampage out there in the open world though, had the Military acquired him I'm certain the ESPers here would've been treated way worse and like killing machines. Compared to the various tests and abuse they could've been subjected through, the facility's literally childs play.
Interesting thing I just caught after countless times of rewatching this show. This season with them showing us the massacre having us think it was El, but simultaneously reminding us of El’s pet squirrel. I take that as she killed one when she had to, but befriended one when she had the chance. When you said she wouldn’t hurt a fly it clicked, amazing
The puzzle pieces come together, some questions answered. That Vecna is a really interesting character.
You guys make a great point with Vecna and his reasoning. He makes sense as to why he starts doing what he’s doing and to some vulnerable people, he can get to them and manipulate. But others will see through it and realize his path is not correct.
Thug Nancy finally getting respect lol. I think it helps that she has more fun people to bounce off of this season. Usually she's stuck with annoying Jonathan drama that kinda holds her character back IMO.
Also the Creel massacre is just an inherently more interesting mystery for her to latch onto, which can better showcase her positive qualities, like team leadership.
Yesssssssssssss. The boy drama in general distracts from her potential as an overall character to me too. Seeing her with other people or even alone helped her character he leaping into the Lake for Steve. Solidified my respect. There will be no more Nancy Slander lol
I'm not kind of guy who breakdown things or pay attention to little things when I'm watching. The reason why Henry being One and being Vecna is a big big shock to me😂 So, watching this reaction made think y'all geniuses for immediately noticing those things😂 I mean, not completely but pieces by pieces, you're putting it together🙌
Also, I love how you're liking the little Eddie moments. He's a great character and yeah, I'm gonna shut up now
Yea. Not gonna lie. I pick up more reacting than watching by myself. We bounce ideas as a group which enhances the importance of minor details. All 3 of us notice different things. I also would be using my phone or multitasking watching by myself. For y’all. I’m more engaged and making sure my commentary has “value”
Such a great episode! Sad to see the reactions coming close to an end. It's really been one of my favorite reaction series. Live action or animated.
she escapes about 4 years after the massacre.
@YaBoyRockLee FINALLY! I made a comment on your reaction to Season 1 Episode 8 to rewatch the pre-discussion when you caught up. LOL! Yall were talking about people who are compassionate toward "certain kinds of animals".
I had a theory at one point that One was El's real dad but I think they covered it in a previous season who it really was. I'm unsure still.
This is no hint, or spoiler, just a general question that I think everyone has... I don't think that they have explained her father. We do know who her mother is (Terry Ives), but her father remains a mystery. Is it Dr Brenner? Is it Vecna? Or is it someone entirely different? Who knows.
I don't think they've disclosed who El's real dad is. I also think you can take your theory one step further and ask, "Is Henry/001/Vecna the father of all the Hawkins Lab children?"
@@TrentRidley Exactly. Did they do genetic splicing, artificial insemination,....
@@TrentRidley Yeah I had that theory as well but then questioned why was he okay with killing all of them but not El, originally. But he still technically has their memories in his head so that could also make sense!
I think he has to be the biological father of some, or even most of the kids, through artificial insemination. If the scientists were trying to recreate him, why wouldn't they try the most obvious way?
I also don't think he consented to it. He made his views on reproduction clear in his monologue. So they either took his sperm without him knowing, or they actively sexually abused him. My theory is that he's actually the father of all of the kids *_except_* 008 and 011, which is why he taught them to use negative emotions, let them live, and helped them escape. He saw the others as faded, lesser copies of himself, which he didn't want to exist.
23:35 LOL best side eye ever
This episode and episode were the best episodes of the season
2:57 “Nancy’s planetary” that took me out 💀
To be fair u cant say henry chose to be alone, he said himself that he never fit in with the other children, plus he had powers & saw into peoples minds as a child from such a young age.
The fact that it shows him first learning on animals he captured & he also mentioned his mom getting him help from a doctor he wanted to escape. Confirms for me that Dr brenner is the real villain for taking all these kids and treating them like lab rats, Henry may have had issues but Brenner first having sessions with him growing up, & then raising him after his coma and keeping him for all those years definitely made him worse or the way he was.
I think he truly wanted to help Eleven & probably grew to hate & resent the rest. However, notice how in S1 Papa was trying to train El by making her crush a caged Cat. He mostly encouraged Henry to do that to learn & show the Dr his strength & abilities, like he always enjoys.
Papa may truly care for them but hes not a good father and did some real damage to all the kids including 1. I also noticed how Henry/1 didn't kill Papa back then, when he had the opportunity, he left him knocked out. He was only taking Eleven with him but still spared Papa most likely because of the messed up "Papa" bond they had, he was with him for at least 10+ years.
We even see Eleven come to that realisation too, about Papa being the real monster, next episode.
Regarding the Hop speech about rejecting your father and your comment about an “evolutionary advantage” to preparing to move on, apparently a recent study found that adolescent boys’ brains stop responding to the sound of their mothers’ voices the same way, instead reacting more to the sound of “new voices.” So there may be something to that.
RockLee over here lookin like Samuel L. Jackson from Coming To America.
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They saying for Hop to attack is dumb cuz even if he did attack it wouldn't do much, it might make the fire go out, and they would die, or at least Hop might miss or the way the Demogorgon was attacking might hit Hop and kill him. Not getting close and making sure the monster doesn't come close is smart.
33:12, The Test subjects are born with their powers
yoooooo entomologist here, yall gotta stop mad doggin my spiders bro, or imma have to pull up on you two.
Henry was cast down to the Upside Down like the Bible describes Satan being cast down like lightening. The word El is a Hebrew word for god.
In season one El comes out of the gate which a LOT of people described as a “female part” so she was “reborn”. An antichrist reference.
23:24 that look 😂
😂😂. Such concern and judgement
😂😂😂😂😂😂. Lol. I be trying to shut my mouth sometimes 😂😂😂
@@YaBoyRockLee y’all are pure entertainment. Hope everyone had a great holiday.
Great writing!
I don’t like how the show is trying to keep Steve Nancy and johnathan as a love triangle it’s tiring now I personally think that they all need to be single and get themselves together and I also feel like Nancy likes whoever gives her the attention she wants when she wants it cause the same thing that’s happening with Steve is what happened with johnathan before she got with him and I don’t like it it’s actually toxic. And I get what Eddie was trying to do but he shouldn’t give Steve hope cause if it was anyone who would have gotten dragged in the water Nancy would have still went in without hesitation and any of the other team for that matter that’s what they do they all help each other without hesitation idk if I’m just being over dramatic or not but they all need to just let each other go and grow as better people
Did this girl really say putting a shock collar on a kid is good thats messed up
I mean. They supported Steve back in S1 when he was a jerk. But I guess they do it for fun, not an actual ideal.
That's not a kid/child/teenager. That's a guinea pig/weapon, raised in lab, trained to do Brenner's bidding. The only problem with the "kid" is that he can kill people with his mind, also he kinda was a sore loser and a bit of a narcissist. Brenner should've put down that kid, not just give him a few shocks.
That memory from when she was born is the biggest reach I've seen ever☠️ they were like "alright, what do we pull? We have absolutely nothing to make it make sense"
Think it was more her life doing that ‘flash before the eyes’ thing (except, you know, visible for our benefit), since that _would_ be an obscenely vague memory to have on-tap.
@@alecLogan you're right, I always thought when people talked about that "life flashing before the eyes" things it would be more like a movie of highlights memories one has, not your whole life from beginning to end. But I guess it makes a little bit more sense.
I mean, we’re already in the realm of 70s/80s psychic science fiction. The super-brained dimension-puncturing psychic girl pulling her first sight of her her mom from the depths of her own mind doesn’t seem tooooo out there, but you’re right that it could have used some set up.
I mean she has superpowers; you can always explain anything with superpowers!
Why is the nice guy on the left dressed as Samuel Jackson from Coming to America?
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JOPPER REUNION 🥺🥺🥺♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Have any of y'all seen Breaking Bad? It's probably the best written show of all time. Only 5 short seasons and would be nice to react to in the interim of season 5 of Stranger Things premiering.
I would say BB has great acting and solid characters. But I wouldn’t say it’s the best written show. It’s full of plot holes and mistakes.
@@Mrsamj1989I love the writing and felt that Better Call Saul and El Camino really tied a bow around the whole universe.
I love the idea of Joyce being Joyce at Vecna, bitching him out as deserved. It’d be so good. Wish you’d left in the moment of Eddie talking to Steve about Dustin, it’s one of my favourites. Laughed at the running ‘strongest high schooler’ gag.
When you’re done this, you should do Umbrella Academy or Haunting of Hill House. UA is anime-like, and HHH is a horror show that’s really about relationships. I’d love to hear your thoughts on them.
Thank you. We are already done with this started our next projects.
@46:09. The old boyfriend that died. 🫣 I don’t remember Joyce having another boyfriend. 😅😅😅😅 how soon we forget sweet Bob.
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ahhhhhh im so excited for the finale
37:10 37:50 When Eleven channeled her memory from when she was born, I don't think it was that she was channeling happy memories. Rather, she was still using what One/Creel/Vecna had taught her and channeling her anger. Here, rather than simple points in one's life, I think Eleven channeled her rage over the entire life that had been robbed from her.
Most of the times people say or believe they wouldn't do this and that just because of mentality, education, attention, love they got but despite of being good or bad characters, they change once they get that true power. Most of the viewers tend to ignore Eleven is not so innocent either. She has blood on her hands and vengeance in her eyes. Back in school yard she would've obliterated the bullies but is that the punishment that they really deserved in our civilised and so conventional society? One has some solid points in his speech up until he goes on a murderous rampage. Obviously this is fictional but I can't deny some parallels with a real life recent situation that happened in Colorado Springs. That guy is a Vecna type. Bullied all his life, abandoned by his father, is confused by society that tells him he can identify every day as something else, no God reliance, no true friends or no friends, goes on club where probably was rejected for being overweight and look what happened. True power resides imo in being able to control it. I can do this and that but I won't because morals, faith et cetera. Anyway we'll never know cause nobody experienced it. Great show, love your crew, keep it going 👍🏻😎.
I will say that I disagree with this comparison you are making, see, what I personally love about Henry/001/Vecna is that he didn't have and apparent outside justification for his actions. A lot of modern villains, they have a sad story of abuse and misery that explains their descents to evilness. With Henry, it is implied that he was "off" since birth. He himself says in his monologue that he was different from other children, but at the same time it doesn't seem like he cared too much. Victor clearly loved him very much and his sister didn't even got an interaction with him. His mother, as he says, correctly guessed that he was the one torturing the family and hated him *for doing that* not previously. And her method of help was looking for a professional to try and cure him for that.
In his monologue, I got the impression that he was born with an antisocial disorder. He is incapable of feeling love, or remorse or attachment.
I loved that. I like to have a villain who is simply evil.
Biting the bat is definitely a reference to Ozzy.
YASSSSSSSSIR👌🏽👌🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Vecna kinda reminds me of Cletus Kasady
I hope they manage to tie everything in the next season cause now I’m thinking this is how el escaped maybe in the first season? Brenner prob wanted to run some more tests and see how she opened the gate and where one is. Since she was so traumatized she prob ran away?
React Goku VS Saitama,I want you to comment about the animation made by this 1 person.
Nancy and Joyce can handle vecna? nah Erica solos him