Is Tilley getting cheap?? LTM3 2018
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Why are these hats different? Tag info below...
Ordered from (on 5/23/18):
* Amazon (seller "Tilley", which was shipped from Great Lakes Outpost in MI) $67
- 10NM03HTLM38375
- 0-826486-003546
- LTM3 AIRFLOW HAT
- KHOL 73/8
* Tilley website $80
- 10NM03HTLM38374
- 0-826486-003539
- LTM3 AIRFLO HAT
- KHOL 71/4
Tilley was bought out by a subsidery company in 2015 & then sold again to another company in 2018. We won't see the quality of the original Tilleys ever again.
I guess we are all learning this the hard way. I hate the way the crown scrunches down all lightweight and wrinkled now. No more rough and rugged look and wear of the original T4 USA 10 oz cotton duck with British hardware made in Canada. That is a lifetime hat.
The LTM models are made in China. Some Tilley models are still made in Canada. Their website will indicate.
Well, its June 2022 and I just got a LTM6 and most of Tilley hats have the big label again and quality of materials and fit and finish seems the same as years ago when they were made in Canada. In any case I have no complaints about mine, except that with the heat we experience in summertime here in Spain, I wonder wether to get the Cotton version, which is called the "Hiker" (T4MO-1). As far as I know both ¨"AIRFLO” LTM5 and LTM6 have always been produced in recycled nylon. If someone prefers Cotton (even "organig cotton") Tilley makes equivalent hats in cotton material. But again, finish on my China made one is very good (as happens with my IPhone which I believe is also made in China. It all depends on the quality control requested by the brand...)
Alguna actualización un mes después? Estoy algo indeciso con el tema de la calidad del producto.
@@pretor706 Yo tengo el T3 Wanderer, y el TLM5 Airflow. El T3 esta fabricado en Canada, y el TLM5 esta fabricado en China bajo control de calidad Tilley, aun que la etiqueta te pone fabricado en Canada. En la pagina oficial de Tilley te pone el origen de fabricación dependiendo del modelo. Personalmente creo que ambos en mi caso están bien fabricados pero si volviera a elegir un modelo, seria uno fabricado en Canada.
@@hex2redonealpha102 gracias!
I love all my Tilley's, but if I'm buying a hat made in China, then it will NOT be a Tilley! Tilley is way too expensive to be poorly made in China!!! For the high price of these Tilley hats, they have to be made in Canada, or I have to pass!
I just received a LTM5 and it has the smaller label. I questioned it, however the hat feels fine and the quality seems excellent.
Thank You for this video. You did a great job. I am/ was A big fan of Tilley hats and proudly wear mine. I am sick and tired of company's making products cheaper. I see Tilley was sold to A private equity firm back in 2015. Thank you "Thorsten Limmer" for the news link. I will never buy another tilley. Duluth Trading is making they're products cheaper also.
Coming from someone who has bought hats that have been newly produced, they still have the same quality craftsmanship. I don't have any of their LTM hats made in China, but their cotton duck hats with the newer labels are really high quality... But, your decision!
Bought my second ltm6 and it is the newer labeled model too. Called tilley and they confirmed the update and authenticity.
I've owned eight Tilley hats. I bought one a month ago. The one you got from Amazon is how the one from Tilley should have looked. You should have contacted Tilley immediately. Tilley stands behind their product and I am sure they will get this straightened out.
No, they won't. Tilley was bought out by an investor group. Now the majority of their hats are Chinese rubbish. They are not the same company at all.
@@sandfarmer892 Wow! I hope you are wrong because I would hate to see Tilley go the way of so many products. I’ll look into this. Can you send me a link with some info please?
@@eddyaruda486 I looked at a LTM6 at Cabela's two days ago and was shocked at the poor quality. Tag read "Made in China/ Designed in Canada" They discontinued the TH4 Hemp( which I wore out 3 and bought many as gifts,) and the T2. As far as links; the information is out there. I don't have an agenda, just wouldn't pay $90 for a $30 hat. I will not purchase another Tilley.
@@sandfarmer892 Wow! I'll look into this. I have noticed that the tag on the inside of the brim was askew on my last two hats. Also, they now make it more difficult and charge you a handling fee for exchanging a product. Sigh!
I just received a new LTM3 Airflow that replaced a 20+year old LTM3 Airflow that developed tearing at the seam just above the stitching around the top of the hat band. That hat survived wind, sun, rain, dunks in the lake, and many washings in a washing machine. I live on a large lake and am an avid boater, fisherman, and golfer. The lifetime warranty was honored and the replacement hat is identical to the old one in every way even tho it was made in China. Still nylon, still the same large Velcro pocket with foam insert. Same brass snaps with maple leafs. Construction and quality identical. This model does not have a wire around the brim. It lays flat on a surface. I usually lay it flat in a suitcase, but have rolled it up a few times also and it is easily reshaped. I have worn it with both sides snapped up on occasion, but mostly with the front and back sloped down. I wanted the exact same hat and that’s what I received.
I have a similar disappointing experience. At my local sporting good store I purchased an LTM2 big brim. I love the way it fit and it had a little pocket with no Velcro. While I did not find that impressive that didn’t matter. I lost it 2 days after I purchased it at an airport. Tilley sent me a replacement hat and I paid 50% of the original cost of the hat plus $10 in shipping. This one has Velcro in the pocket at the top of the hat. Which makes sense. It has a crisper look, however, even though the headband fits well...... the top of the hat is smaller and it feels like it’s going to pop off of my head. So it seems well-made but it doesn’t fit me now. I wish I could show a photo of both of them. I’m sending it back.
I bought a Tilley T3 Wanderer in 2019 and it was a nice durable hat with the leather tag sewn into it. Stiff sides and brim. In 2021 I bought the same hat and what a difference. Flimsy sides and brim, cheap feeling material and a cheap cloth tag sewn to the side like the tags you want to cut off. Definitely getting cheaper.when I emailed Tilley if I recieved a fake they told me it was a new design. I returned it.
Same thing for me. I have the older style with the larger label and bought the newer one also. The older version is a better hat. The newer one is not the same. It feels cheaper. These are both T3 wanderers. There is a distinct difference. The newer version is floppier and just doesn't look as good.
Tilley hats now all made in China & not identical to earlier ones 100% made in Canada. Since Alex Tilley sold the company things have changed & production off-shored to China!
@@wile.coyote8466 That would explain the drop in quality.
@@wile.coyote8466 Most models are still made in Canada, with a few in China. The website indicates which are made in Canada.
I spoke with Tilley after receiving my mashup hat. I also bought it from Great Lakes Outpost off Amazon and it was missing the manual. After speaking to Great Lakes and then Tilley, Tilley said that they stopped printing the 4 page manual and said the instructions are viewable online. I agree, I like the manual and larger print with the Velcro. Luckily my mashup and Airflow have the larger print/Velcro but the Boca Rotan hat I just bought for beaches/summer has the new look and lacks those vintage Tilley features. I think I read somewhere that Tilley was sold, so maybe that has something to do with the change. Still love them and glad they still offer the lifetime warranty.
Are You SURE they're both made in Canada ? Mine has the old lable in it
BUT it's made in CHINA !!!! Look on the smallest label on the hat , that's
where My hat tells the story !!!
( devil in the details , if You know what I mean )
I bought a T 5 MO airflow in a camping shop in Dublin today. I got the light blue one. While looking through them for my size I noticed some had the big traditional label inside and others ( even the same size ) had that newer small label. I got the one with the big label because its like my old Tilly hat. Howevee I notice it foes,nt have the velcro on the pocket. I dont mind as I actually found the velcro a bit annoying and unnecessarry. Another thing I notice thats vanished on the model with the brass eyelets is the velcro loop on the side for holding sunglass arms ( you put the arms through the eye vents and secure them on the inside with the velvro loop. Maybe nobody used that feature - I know I never did. Sorry if any typos - no glasses with me !
Got a LTM6 today via Amazon. Small label inside with a velcro pocket that is the size of half the back portion of the hat. (It was shipped in a padded envelope lol)
They started making the smaller label because apparently people were complaining that the big, iconic label with all the writing contributed to making the tops of their heads warmer. Can you imagine? Luckily, I just got a new T5 Cotton Duck straight from the company and it's got a new updated large label on the inside with all the information. I know it's the new way they do it as it has the small beige Tilley label on the outside of the hat as well, which I have no problem with.
DUDE.... please do a review on your T5 !
@@rinky_dinky Ha! I just might... You've got me thinking about it, that's for sure
@@towncallednevers c'mon do it already !🤣 The t5 is really under represented in youtube, I can hardly find a proper review on it
I think that explanation is rubbish. Tilley was bought out by an investment group and they are bleeding the company dry. They are churning out Chinese made garbage and have eliminated the models which are more expensive to produce. No more Hemp TH4s, which I loved. RIP Tilley.
@@sandfarmer892 Huh? I made no reference to them making hats in China. I was talking about the label size, which they have indeed gone back and updated their designs with the bigger labels with lots of writing on them on many of their hats.
Looks like I’ll have to take a pass on getting a Tilley
I was in REI today looking at the Wanderer. They only had one in my size and the "secret" pocket had the Velcro closure, but a small label. I found only one hat with the larger label, but not in my size. If I'm paying $85 for a hat, I want it with the large label. Maybe it doesn't matter (it's inside, after all), but that's how I feel. So I left without buying the hat. Disappointing.
I have a different model old Tilley, made in the USA. It also has the Velcro closure on the pocket in the crown.
Noticed the exact same thing for the first time the other night at REI. Had the same questions when I noticed the inside of the crown. Felt like overall hat material was same, but the elements you called out seemed like small cost saving shortcuts.
Nicht alle Produkte aus China haben eine schlechte Qualität,schau in deine Küche da wird das meiste aus chinesischer Produktion sein.Ich habe meinen Tilley Hut „ltm 6“ Made in China für 70€ nun 3 Jahre und der wurde sehr oft in der Waschmaschiene gewaschen und bis jetzt ist er TipTop.Und wenn er in einigen Jahren kaputt geht kaufe ich mir einen neuen und gut ist.
What size are you? And which hat size actually fit you? 1/4 3/8?
I just received the TTW2. I immediately noticed that the workmanship and weight didn't seem to be the same quality as the Tilley's I've purchased in the past. Incidentally, I called a representative at Tilley a few weeks back, to indicate how pleased I was in the past with Tilley hats, and was looking forward to receiving the TTW2. I also mentioned that I felt that Tilley hats were a Canadian 'staple'; and I was a proud wearer of such. He immediately told me that Tilley was branching out into other clothing, and that some of the products are being made in China. Here's my personal opinion. With major corporations, the focus is one of maximizing profits, sometimes at the cost of jeopardizing quality. This is very sad, but businesses often do it. After purchasing many Tilley's over the years, I am personally discussed in the apparent reduction in quality, and this will be my last Tilley hat. I wish we could still purchase some of the original Tilley's. I still like the replacement warranty. Thanks for this kind gesture! Again, on a personal note, when businesses change ownership, they should be forced to change the name (label). Even though place of manufacturing is clearly marked on the hat, I see it as misleading the consumer! That's my personal take on this. Thanks for the great video!! I'm so glad you initiated this discussion. Great comments throughout! Clearly, I am not alone in my thoughts!!
And the prices have gone up...
Looks like, from most of the comments, that you don't get the same product that Tilley is know for. And you don't get what you pay for anymore. So if people don't settle for less while paying more, companies and manufacturers should get the message.
Wow, astonishing disparities.
Good lord... fussing over a label size! The new T3 Wanderer is still the same high quality hat with a life time warranty and yes with a smaller tag which I prefer. I could care less if it didn't come with an instruction booklet... it's a hat that goes on your head so no instruction needed. I'd hate to be your neighbor… Put it on your head and wear it and get on with life ...
Has little to do with label size (just used to differentiate) it is all about quality and they are clearly being made with lower quality fabric. You can tell by the weight alone. I think the new one I got will be my last. Many of the new ones are now made in China as well and even lighter weight.
I don't believe they're made in China. Their website says "Proudly made in Canada".
@@garyfun2drum they say made in China on it. On the web site they say they source from many sources. Of course they did not lower the price. Guess this is generally what happens when a company is bought out.
Yep, my new LTM6 Tilley tag says Designed in Canada made in China. The store had both the full size tag and the small tag version and they appear to be identical except the tag. Velcro on both.
Nice !! Good point !!!
Yes they are. Big Time.
I had bought a tilley hat and lost it so I bought the same model to replace it and it just doesn't feel the same
Yes, they've gotten cheap. I bought 3 hats before I got one which was made in Canada. All 3 hats were crumpled. None had the traditional label. Prices aren't any cheaper though :(
I receive mine today gonna go get it all dirty its going to be 110° today I'm going metal detecting lol
We love tilley.
what is your head measurement? I'm a 22.5 inches and I wear a 7 3/8 in baseball hats but I heard you need to up a size or 2 for tilley. I'm not sure what size to get
It’s hard to get a good Product and a great name but it’s easy to loose it. And making hats in China is the way to do it 😳
look at Karrimor one of the best outdoor brands in the UK, laid off their workforce and got their stuff made in china, had to rehire due to all the complaints and returns due to the crappy Chinese quality. destroyed their name over night due to penny pinching.
I just ordered the t3 enzyme wash and I hope it doesn't come with a stiff brim. I snap up to the side most of the time and if it is stiff it doesn't look right snapped up.
Tilley typically puts the month and year of manufacture on the third tag down. The first tag is the size and the second is the model. Without your providing this information, it is hard to say for sure what you have, although you probably do have a new model direct from Tilley. These hats are made to be packed in a suitcase, and they do not require a hat box to store them because neither the brim nor the crown is fixed. The fact that one of the hats is more crisp after shipping is irrelevant. You did not put them on your head for us to see! They straighten out. I have packed a Tilley made with the same material as your model in a suitcase, and it comes out fine. Tilley's box is correct. Your particular model is a snap-up and it does not have a wire in the brim, but the majority of Tilley hats do indeed have a wire in the brim--and you want them to lie flat during shipping. Many sellers bend the brims during shipping by using boxes that are too small and this affects the wire. You have not realized it yet, but Great Lakes Outpost does not know what they are doing by using a box that potentially bends the brim. Do you think that their shipping personnel are smart enough to know which models have wires in the brim and which do not? You simply got away with it because of the particular model you purchased. Don't worry about what the brim looks like when it's lying flat in the Tilley box. It will do that when you store it on a flat surface, as well, because the brim has a contour. When it goes on your head, it will do what it is supposed to do: Tilley makes their hats so they have a contour to them, with both the front and back sloping downward. Some models have a more aggressive contour than others. This gives you protection from the sun on the back of your neck, and it keeps the sun out of your eyes as much as possible. Because of the contour, the brim cannot contour downward on a flat surface so it tends to curl up during storage when lying flat. For much of your video you are concerned over nothing. The only thing that you have said which possibly has some merit is the lack of Velcro. These particular models are competing against cheaper competition, and it is possible that Tilley took some cost cutting measures in eliminating the Velcro. I believe that it is true that Tilley has cheapened some models. For instance, I do believe that the redesign of the TTMC cap was not improved by the TMBC cap. But, I have heard it said many times that Tilley has cheapened their T3 over the years. My oldest T3 is from November, 2000, and I do not see that it has been cheapened. I have a navy T3 from December, 2015 that is the favorite in my collection of twenty-four (24) Tilley summer hats and eleven (11) Tilley winter hats. Also, I have a T4MO-1 Hiker's Hat that Tilley redesigned over the last few years from the previous T4MO organic cotton model. I definitely feel that it has been improved by the addition of the HyperKewl cooling insert and the loop to hang the hat. I was using it just today while out in the hot sun cutting the grass with the cooling insert helping to keep me cool. I know that you want a quick black and white answer to your general question if Tilley is cheapening their hats, but some things are not that easily answered.
Richard Sawdon do you know why they don't have the maple leaf imprints on the snap on buttons anymore?
Excellent response, btw
If you watch this video, you can pause it at 3 minutes and 42 seconds to see that the hat which came from Tilley (that is assumed to be newer) has the 4 maple leaves on the British Brass snap-up buttons. I could not get a definitive view of the one from Great Lakes Outpost (that is assume to be older style). On Tilley's website, the pictures of the natural and khaki colors for both the T3 Cotton Duck and the LTM3 Airflow are still using the British Brass with the 4 maple leaves. I could not determine from the picture of the olive T3 Cotton Duck on Tilley's website what it uses, but the one in my collection from several years ago is British Brass with the 4 maple leaves. The flat black snaps that they use on the some of the models such as the T3 Wanderer hat and the TWS1 Paddler's hat do not have the 4 maple leaves. One of the merchants who I have purchased from in the past told me that Tilley is trying to appeal to younger people with many of their newer offerings. In the past, this merchant has usually had pretty good insights into the Tilley product line, so I assume that's it. I have flat black snaps on a TM3 hemp blend mash-up snap-up model that was discontinued in the last year or so. I like the British Brass snaps better in general for being classier, but I do have to admit that the flat black is visually effective--and I think that's probably what they were trying to achieve with it. It should be noted that if you browse the Tilley website, you will see many pictures of the brims curling up because the hats are lying on a flat surface and the brim cannot contour downward unless it's on your head, as I mentioned in my original comment.
Richard Sawdon I just got a wanderer and it has the black snaps. Thanks for the info, I thought they had changed it for the wanderer but it seems it's been like that for a while.
How are you liking your Wanderer so far? What color did you get? I mentioned having talked to a merchant in one of my previous comments about her experiences with selling Tilley hats. She told me at this point last year that she thought the Wanderer would appeal to young people, and she was going to stock a lot more of them this summer. I have not yet talked to her again about it specifically, so I don't know how she's doing with it. She did tell me a few weeks ago that the Paddler's Hat had not done so well for her this summer. It would be interesting to hear your initial impressions about the Wanderer hat.
Richard Sawdon I really like it. The brim provides enough coverage, the fit is superb and it definitely has appeal. I'm in the early 30's btw.
It did come a bit crushed but it's not one of the stiffer hats.
I got it in caramel but will probably get another in rust. The build quality is good, and it came with the large label on the inside along with the 4 page manual.
I was disappointed also just bought a t3 on clearance no owner manual and no big 🏷 my other hat was bought 3 years ago and put through it
I like sowing the big label on the inside and bragging about a owner’s manual
I think you should call them and ask....
interesting video
The "Lifetime warranty" is b.s. I wore out my first Tilley hat - by washing it a lot in the tropics - and so I wore a hole through the material -
and they replaced it ONE TIME and told me that had used up the warranty. I bought a second one because I liked it so much, and this one they replaced once also. I know they claim the warranty includes theft. But when it was stolen from my apt. in Chiang Mai, Thailand and the management just told me their housekeepers did not take it and there was no arguing and I felt like how would Tilley in Canada know I was
not lying about it being taken anyway.
So, I am looking to buy one for the third time and I am saddened to read the quality has gone down. They have sold out to the Chinese is seems.
And BTW, you must have the large pocket inside. It is just big enough to hold a passport and some cash or stash. If you are travelling a smaller pocket just won't do.
I love how you claim the lifetime warranty is BS and then tell us how they went and replaced two hats for you... Not sure about that, dude!
Tilleys seem to be made in China from nylon now.
I thought that Tilleys were high quality cotton made in Canada. That's why they are expensive.
Buy them in a shop where you can check the quality and fit.
If they really last for life, why skimp to save the price of a couple of beers?
How much is the lifetime replacement worth it the replacement is cheaply made?
Hope you kept the older model.. the new model is awful.
I just ordered a Tilley Airflo. I am going to be pissed if they cheap out on it.
did they?
Yes, they did! I called them and sent it back. I have two T3 Duck Cotton, an LT6 circa 2004 (PreLTM), and aT3 Wanderer. All have the proper tag inside,
I sent one Tilly back because of that pocket was small in the crown not as good
That was vented. At. The top
Of the crown no pocket
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Do you have Instagram, i have an older hat in great condition… might be worth something