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Never heard of Tilley as i am more of a ball cap or knit cap person. Do you have a 6 year update on the amazon Tilley hat you kept?

Nicht alle Produkte aus China haben eine schlechte Qualität,schau in deine Küche da wird das meiste aus chinesischer Produktion sein.Ich habe meinen Tilley Hut „ltm 6“ Made in China für 70€ nun 3 Jahre und der wurde sehr oft in der Waschmaschiene gewaschen und bis jetzt ist er TipTop.Und wenn er in einigen Jahren kaputt geht kaufe ich mir einen neuen und gut ist.

I receive mine today gonna go get it all dirty its going to be 110° today I'm going metal detecting lol

I just ordered the t3 enzyme wash and I hope it doesn't come with a stiff brim. I snap up to the side most of the time and if it is stiff it doesn't look right snapped up.

What size are you? And which hat size actually fit you? 1/4 3/8?

Looks like, from most of the comments, that you don't get the same product that Tilley is know for. And you don't get what you pay for anymore. So if people don't settle for less while paying more, companies and manufacturers should get the message.

Nice !! Good point !!!

Wow, astonishing disparities.

I just received a new LTM3 Airflow that replaced a 20+year old LTM3 Airflow that developed tearing at the seam just above the stitching around the top of the hat band. That hat survived wind, sun, rain, dunks in the lake, and many washings in a washing machine. I live on a large lake and am an avid boater, fisherman, and golfer. The lifetime warranty was honored and the replacement hat is identical to the old one in every way even tho it was made in China. Still nylon, still the same large Velcro pocket with foam insert. Same brass snaps with maple leafs. Construction and quality identical. This model does not have a wire around the brim. It lays flat on a surface. I usually lay it flat in a suitcase, but have rolled it up a few times also and it is easily reshaped. I have worn it with both sides snapped up on occasion, but mostly with the front and back sloped down. I wanted the exact same hat and that’s what I received.

Well, its June 2022 and I just got a LTM6 and most of Tilley hats have the big label again and quality of materials and fit and finish seems the same as years ago when they were made in Canada. In any case I have no complaints about mine, except that with the heat we experience in summertime here in Spain, I wonder wether to get the Cotton version, which is called the "Hiker" (T4MO-1). As far as I know both ¨"AIRFLO” LTM5 and LTM6 have always been produced in recycled nylon. If someone prefers Cotton (even "organig cotton") Tilley makes equivalent hats in cotton material. But again, finish on my China made one is very good (as happens with my IPhone which I believe is also made in China. It all depends on the quality control requested by the brand...)

Tilleys seem to be made in China from nylon now. I thought that Tilleys were high quality cotton made in Canada. That's why they are expensive. Buy them in a shop where you can check the quality and fit. If they really last for life, why skimp to save the price of a couple of beers? How much is the lifetime replacement worth it the replacement is cheaply made?

I bought a Tilley T3 Wanderer in 2019 and it was a nice durable hat with the leather tag sewn into it. Stiff sides and brim. In 2021 I bought the same hat and what a difference. Flimsy sides and brim, cheap feeling material and a cheap cloth tag sewn to the side like the tags you want to cut off. Definitely getting cheaper.when I emailed Tilley if I recieved a fake they told me it was a new design. I returned it.

Yes they are. Big Time.

Looks like I’ll have to take a pass on getting a Tilley

Tilley sold out to corporate greed. Now their MADE IN CHINA products aren't worth buying.

I just received the TTW2. I immediately noticed that the workmanship and weight didn't seem to be the same quality as the Tilley's I've purchased in the past. Incidentally, I called a representative at Tilley a few weeks back, to indicate how pleased I was in the past with Tilley hats, and was looking forward to receiving the TTW2. I also mentioned that I felt that Tilley hats were a Canadian 'staple'; and I was a proud wearer of such. He immediately told me that Tilley was branching out into other clothing, and that some of the products are being made in China. Here's my personal opinion. With major corporations, the focus is one of maximizing profits, sometimes at the cost of jeopardizing quality. This is very sad, but businesses often do it. After purchasing many Tilley's over the years, I am personally discussed in the apparent reduction in quality, and this will be my last Tilley hat. I wish we could still purchase some of the original Tilley's. I still like the replacement warranty. Thanks for this kind gesture! Again, on a personal note, when businesses change ownership, they should be forced to change the name (label). Even though place of manufacturing is clearly marked on the hat, I see it as misleading the consumer! That's my personal take on this. Thanks for the great video!! I'm so glad you initiated this discussion. Great comments throughout! Clearly, I am not alone in my thoughts!!

Do you have Instagram, i have an older hat in great condition… might be worth something

Yes, they've gotten cheap. I bought 3 hats before I got one which was made in Canada. All 3 hats were crumpled. None had the traditional label. Prices aren't any cheaper though :(

It’s hard to get a good Product and a great name but it’s easy to loose it. And making hats in China is the way to do it 😳

Are You SURE they're both made in Canada ? Mine has the old lable in it BUT it's made in CHINA !!!! Look on the smallest label on the hat , that's where My hat tells the story !!! ( devil in the details , if You know what I mean )

Hope you kept the older model.. the new model is awful.

I was disappointed also just bought a t3 on clearance no owner manual and no big 🏷 my other hat was bought 3 years ago and put through it I like sowing the big label on the inside and bragging about a owner’s manual

They started making the smaller label because apparently people were complaining that the big, iconic label with all the writing contributed to making the tops of their heads warmer. Can you imagine? Luckily, I just got a new T5 Cotton Duck straight from the company and it's got a new updated large label on the inside with all the information. I know it's the new way they do it as it has the small beige Tilley label on the outside of the hat as well, which I have no problem with.

We love tilley.

The LTM models are made in China. Some Tilley models are still made in Canada. Their website will indicate.

Tilley was bought out by a subsidery company in 2015 & then sold again to another company in 2018. We won't see the quality of the original Tilleys ever again.

The "Lifetime warranty" is b.s. I wore out my first Tilley hat - by washing it a lot in the tropics - and so I wore a hole through the material - and they replaced it ONE TIME and told me that had used up the warranty. I bought a second one because I liked it so much, and this one they replaced once also. I know they claim the warranty includes theft. But when it was stolen from my apt. in Chiang Mai, Thailand and the management just told me their housekeepers did not take it and there was no arguing and I felt like how would Tilley in Canada know I was not lying about it being taken anyway. So, I am looking to buy one for the third time and I am saddened to read the quality has gone down. They have sold out to the Chinese is seems. And BTW, you must have the large pocket inside. It is just big enough to hold a passport and some cash or stash. If you are travelling a smaller pocket just won't do.

Thank You for this video. You did a great job. I am/ was A big fan of Tilley hats and proudly wear mine. I am sick and tired of company's making products cheaper. I see Tilley was sold to A private equity firm back in 2015. Thank you "Thorsten Limmer" for the news link. I will never buy another tilley. Duluth Trading is making they're products cheaper also.

I think you should call them and ask....

You are still going to be bald but maybe you can grow an eyebrow comb over, or marry Jessica Yaniv who can pluck you some of its pubic hair and make you a skull merkin?

I have a different model old Tilley, made in the USA. It also has the Velcro closure on the pocket in the crown.

I bought a LTM6 last Nov (2018 from Tilley via their website. Paid full price for what I thought would be a superior hat. It has the smaller label but it looked good. I wore it on a trip to Maui last Feb and got some sunscreen on the inner brim. I decided to hand--wash and brush it, but stain still was there. I washed it on the hand-wash cycle and took it out to air dry. After this, it wasn't the same hat. The brim had 'crinkled' in about 4 different areas, and even when I tried to reshape the hat, it looked worse than my $20 Columbia hat. I even tried to iron the brim as someone suggested. Emailed Tilley Customer Support and no reply. I finally called them, call was disconnected. Called again and got a 'sleepy'-voiced guy who gave me instructions to mail it back (Tonawands, NY?) with my credit card number. They would try to fix it or replace it. He said it would be about 4-6 weeks til I got it back. Thanks for this posting, Leonard. I saw how this hat looked on a bunch of Canadian photographers last year, and it was the hat I wanted. I don't feel I got the same quality hat as I've seen in RUclips videos lately. Ashame....I see they've sold out to a UK company. This will be my last Tilley hat for awhile.

Same thing for me. I have the older style with the larger label and bought the newer one also. The older version is a better hat. The newer one is not the same. It feels cheaper. These are both T3 wanderers. There is a distinct difference. The newer version is floppier and just doesn't look as good.

I had bought a tilley hat and lost it so I bought the same model to replace it and it just doesn't feel the same

Good lord... fussing over a label size! The new T3 Wanderer is still the same high quality hat with a life time warranty and yes with a smaller tag which I prefer. I could care less if it didn't come with an instruction booklet... it's a hat that goes on your head so no instruction needed. I'd hate to be your neighbor… Put it on your head and wear it and get on with life ...

I just received a LTM5 and it has the smaller label. I questioned it, however the hat feels fine and the quality seems excellent.

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Got a LTM6 today via Amazon. Small label inside with a velcro pocket that is the size of half the back portion of the hat. (It was shipped in a padded envelope lol)

I sent one Tilly back because of that pocket was small in the crown not as good That was vented. At. The top Of the crown no pocket

I was in REI today looking at the Wanderer. They only had one in my size and the "secret" pocket had the Velcro closure, but a small label. I found only one hat with the larger label, but not in my size. If I'm paying $85 for a hat, I want it with the large label. Maybe it doesn't matter (it's inside, after all), but that's how I feel. So I left without buying the hat. Disappointing.

Bought my second ltm6 and it is the newer labeled model too. Called tilley and they confirmed the update and authenticity.

And the prices have gone up...

interesting video

what is your head measurement? I'm a 22.5 inches and I wear a 7 3/8 in baseball hats but I heard you need to up a size or 2 for tilley. I'm not sure what size to get

I bought a T 5 MO airflow in a camping shop in Dublin today. I got the light blue one. While looking through them for my size I noticed some had the big traditional label inside and others ( even the same size ) had that newer small label. I got the one with the big label because its like my old Tilly hat. Howevee I notice it foes,nt have the velcro on the pocket. I dont mind as I actually found the velcro a bit annoying and unnecessarry. Another thing I notice thats vanished on the model with the brass eyelets is the velcro loop on the side for holding sunglass arms ( you put the arms through the eye vents and secure them on the inside with the velvro loop. Maybe nobody used that feature - I know I never did. Sorry if any typos - no glasses with me !

Tilley typically puts the month and year of manufacture on the third tag down. The first tag is the size and the second is the model. Without your providing this information, it is hard to say for sure what you have, although you probably do have a new model direct from Tilley. These hats are made to be packed in a suitcase, and they do not require a hat box to store them because neither the brim nor the crown is fixed. The fact that one of the hats is more crisp after shipping is irrelevant. You did not put them on your head for us to see! They straighten out. I have packed a Tilley made with the same material as your model in a suitcase, and it comes out fine. Tilley's box is correct. Your particular model is a snap-up and it does not have a wire in the brim, but the majority of Tilley hats do indeed have a wire in the brim--and you want them to lie flat during shipping. Many sellers bend the brims during shipping by using boxes that are too small and this affects the wire. You have not realized it yet, but Great Lakes Outpost does not know what they are doing by using a box that potentially bends the brim. Do you think that their shipping personnel are smart enough to know which models have wires in the brim and which do not? You simply got away with it because of the particular model you purchased. Don't worry about what the brim looks like when it's lying flat in the Tilley box. It will do that when you store it on a flat surface, as well, because the brim has a contour. When it goes on your head, it will do what it is supposed to do: Tilley makes their hats so they have a contour to them, with both the front and back sloping downward. Some models have a more aggressive contour than others. This gives you protection from the sun on the back of your neck, and it keeps the sun out of your eyes as much as possible. Because of the contour, the brim cannot contour downward on a flat surface so it tends to curl up during storage when lying flat. For much of your video you are concerned over nothing. The only thing that you have said which possibly has some merit is the lack of Velcro. These particular models are competing against cheaper competition, and it is possible that Tilley took some cost cutting measures in eliminating the Velcro. I believe that it is true that Tilley has cheapened some models. For instance, I do believe that the redesign of the TTMC cap was not improved by the TMBC cap. But, I have heard it said many times that Tilley has cheapened their T3 over the years. My oldest T3 is from November, 2000, and I do not see that it has been cheapened. I have a navy T3 from December, 2015 that is the favorite in my collection of twenty-four (24) Tilley summer hats and eleven (11) Tilley winter hats. Also, I have a T4MO-1 Hiker's Hat that Tilley redesigned over the last few years from the previous T4MO organic cotton model. I definitely feel that it has been improved by the addition of the HyperKewl cooling insert and the loop to hang the hat. I was using it just today while out in the hot sun cutting the grass with the cooling insert helping to keep me cool. I know that you want a quick black and white answer to your general question if Tilley is cheapening their hats, but some things are not that easily answered.

I have a similar disappointing experience. At my local sporting good store I purchased an LTM2 big brim. I love the way it fit and it had a little pocket with no Velcro. While I did not find that impressive that didn’t matter. I lost it 2 days after I purchased it at an airport. Tilley sent me a replacement hat and I paid 50% of the original cost of the hat plus $10 in shipping. This one has Velcro in the pocket at the top of the hat. Which makes sense. It has a crisper look, however, even though the headband fits well...... the top of the hat is smaller and it feels like it’s going to pop off of my head. So it seems well-made but it doesn’t fit me now. I wish I could show a photo of both of them. I’m sending it back.

I've owned eight Tilley hats. I bought one a month ago. The one you got from Amazon is how the one from Tilley should have looked. You should have contacted Tilley immediately. Tilley stands behind their product and I am sure they will get this straightened out.

I spoke with Tilley after receiving my mashup hat. I also bought it from Great Lakes Outpost off Amazon and it was missing the manual. After speaking to Great Lakes and then Tilley, Tilley said that they stopped printing the 4 page manual and said the instructions are viewable online. I agree, I like the manual and larger print with the Velcro. Luckily my mashup and Airflow have the larger print/Velcro but the Boca Rotan hat I just bought for beaches/summer has the new look and lacks those vintage Tilley features. I think I read somewhere that Tilley was sold, so maybe that has something to do with the change. Still love them and glad they still offer the lifetime warranty.

Noticed the exact same thing for the first time the other night at REI. Had the same questions when I noticed the inside of the crown. Felt like overall hat material was same, but the elements you called out seemed like small cost saving shortcuts.