London Underground-Central Line Epping, Ongar & Loughton 1994
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2018
- A video taken in September 1994 in the last week of operation of Underground trains to Ongar. 1962 stock is also seen at Epping, Debden and Loughton. After the Cravens 1960 stock finished its peak hour workings on the Ongar line it ran in service back to Loughton to stable in the sidings there which is also seen here. If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
The sounds of the compressor building up air pressure brings back memories, they were really loud
Especially if you were sitting above them in the trailer car!
I grew up in Epping and seeing the old tubes reminds me of their unique leathery smell, and the hatches in the wooden floors which you could lift up and see the track underneath! Happy days.
I used to like riding them as a kid back in the 1970s. Had a run out to Ongar with my mate (with only a ticket for a few stops from our home station!) and at Ongar the train failed. Ths staff put us on a green Routemaster bus on London Country route 339 back o Epping, then we had to get back on the platform with a ticket that was no valid there! But the collector was reading his paper as we whizzed through quick and we got back home ok.....happy days!
The hatches in the wooden floor sound dangerous but I only briefly got to ride the 59 ts on the Northern Line. I was too young to remember ever using a 62ts as I was born 94.
Really enjoyed looking back and seeing how different things are and also seeing how shiny and new the 92 stocked looked
I was born in Ongar and can just remember seeing both Underground trains with F5 steam engines in 1957, the first year of electrification to Ongar. Happy days!
Oh wow! And Standard Stock on the main Central Line service as well.....not forgetting the green & red RTs running on the local roads.....
The 1960 stock had rear-view wingmirrors for the driver. I’ve noticed Swiss trains have this on some of the metre gauge lines. Seems a no-brainer!
I thought ohhh 28 minutes, but this covers Epping and Ongar while it was in service. Video went very quickly! I like the sad face on these trains :).
Thanks, i try now and kepp my uploads to 10-15 min approx, it gives viewers a chance to just nip in for a quick look at something and then carry on with their day's activities. Yes, at the end the 59's & 62's looked a bit sad, dirt and graffeti stained, an air of being unloved and un-kempted by then sadly.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus yes, please be thoughtful next time lol.
Wonderful footage. Thanks for posting.
Seems freaky to think it was 25 years ago now!
Really enjoying your videos, especially this one as I'm involved with the EOR bus service. And you've captured moments in history for future generations.
The Epping-Ongar Railway has plenty of connections to me.... i worked the line briefly when a guard at Loughton, i have driven class 31, 37 & 47s when on BR/EWS, and in later years drove buses for Roger when at Blue Triangle.... Lulu being one of my favorites on private hires..... happy days!
Never forget the mighty 38 & 59 stocks!
9:01 I love how the driver creeped forward, for then the doors actually having to be re-opened...
Also, seems like the driver (or the driver terminating it at White City before this one took it back to Epping) forgot to turn off the headlights (and turn on the tail-lights) at White City...
The rolling forward is the driver expecting to get the bell from the guard but he re-opened the doors, maybe a passenger ran for them or they were a bit 'sticky' and wouldn't close the first attempt. As to the head/tail lights, it was common practice for the guard to nip into the back cab as the train approached the terminus and change them over ready for the return journey although strictly speaking LT did not approve of this until the train had arrived and you had opened the doors.
Two of the 1962 stock trains still operate on the Central line today as Sandite rail trains.
As they have ATO equipment installed, they are free to use the the Central line manually anytime without restrictions.
The ATP tells the driver what speed to drive the trains and when the train must stop and can proceed.
One 1960 tube stock which now as a 1973 stock trailer car instead of a 1938 car in the middle, presently works as the track recording train can also use the Central line in operational hours as it also has ATO equipment installed.
I've seen photos of them but haven't managed to catch them on film yet. Interesting to know they have ATO equipment fitted.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus when the 1992 stock took passenger services on the Central line, some of the best conditioned 62 trains went to the Northern line to be combined with the 1959 stock as one inter worked train. They made up half the train in 3 cars.
I'm guessing the 1972mk1s were a nightmare to work on the Northern line, unreliable and slow in performance.
I seem to recall the Ongar line was originally built by the Eastern Counties Railway / Great Eastern Railway, and the Central Line was still owned by British Rail from Stratford to Ongar until as recently as 1971, because a friend of mine who worked for BR had a BR Residential [Staff] Pass from Loughton to Liverpool Street as he joined prior to 1971. Indeed the BR civil engineer sidings at Temple Mills, was originally named Loughton Branch Junction [South ?] prior to being renamed Temple Mills Junction. I have done the Epping - Ongar shuttle with Cravens 1960 stock while in LT operation. But I also recall an unpainted white Cravens 1960 stock on the Woodford - Hainault shuttle. I love LT stock painted in red. It reminds me of the red CO/CP stock on the District Line in my youth, prior to the unpainted white R Stock. (Makes you feel old when you can remember the D78, R and CO/CP ! I had a similar recent experience doing the Class 484s (D78s) on the Ryde - Shanklin, when one basher reminisced about the Class 483 (1938 stock), when I told him I remembered the Class 485 (1922 Standard Stock) he looked at me like I was a Martian !) Also, wasn't there supposed to be an escaped load of scorpions scurrying about Ongar station at one stage, but I expect a cold winter killed them off. I agree with Soi that the Epping Ongar Railway is well worth a trip. You can park in the Kings Head Pub in North Weald on the understanding you are having lunch there. They serve some superb McMullen ales there. Originally Platform 2 at Epping was almost exclusively reserved for the Ongar shuttle, but once the Ongar line was sold, LT liked the operational flexibility of using both platforms at Epping, thereby scuppering any attempt to physically link the preserved railway and the LT network. Of course, Blake Hall station is now owned by a well-deserved local enthusiast who saved the EOR. Yes, the line was originally supposed to connect with Chelmsford (not Dunmow). I think the comments about nuclear bunkers is an urban myth. I have been inside four nuclear bunkers, one preserved (at Kelvedon Hatch) and three active bunkers, but I am not permitted to disclose their locations.
Thanks for your memories..... I have visited the EOR many times, i used to work for its owner when he had Blue Triangle buses......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Yes he had two or three routemasters. One red and one / two in green, as I recall.
I was and am utterly fascinated by the tube, especially the terminuses. Because they were like main line termini (?) but everything was in miniature. I knew a guy once who was from Loughton and he explained how to pronounce Theydon Bois 😂 That sound 1:50 I love it.
I ran one of the last, if not last craven from Epping to onger with Steveee hover .... When we rolled in, the platform was filled with trainspoters etc ... Thank God I'm not on here 😉.
Had some great people on the underground 🙂👍
Who remembers Leytonstone guards taking sneaky PNR's at Loughton and catching us spares lol.
Crump Towers later on after Loughton booking on closed 👍
I remember Len Crump, an assh*le of the highest order! I remember being PNR spare at Baker Street (Bakerllo & Jubilee) and Wembley Park (Jubilee). Sometimes whern it was quiet i was happy to do a trip or two! The Vid i took here was in the last wek but not the last day, i was late turn BR driver at the time and couldn't make it.
I Love those trains, grew up wity t white trains. I remember well seeing on destination boards Loughton to Ongar an Ongar to Loughton, an traveld to Ongar branch.
I must admit, i never knew they closed Epping to Ongar for some years Later.
It closed in September 1994. They ran Epping to Ongar in the peaks only by then. The unit was stabled at Loughton Sidings and ran to & from in service.... Of course it's now the Epping Ongar Steam Railway, and well worth a visit!
If only Epping to Ongar was fully integrated into the Central Line, who knows, maybe the line would have been doubled all the way to Ongar and received the full electrification it would have needed (rather than what actually happened, where it was fed current from Epping, leaving it drastically underpowered for more than just a single four car train between Epping and Ongar, leading to the lifting of the passing loop at North Weald in 1976). Certainly, judging by the location of the red lamps, located short of the zero marker point, more of yhe platform at Ongar could have been utilised if full integration occurred
Originally it ws expected the line would have continued to Chelmsford (due east) and/or Dunmow (due north)......but as it turned out Ongar was it! At least it is busy (well, in normal times) now it is a preserved railway! My old boss from Blue Triangle brought it outright and turn its firtunes around to what we have today.....
Ongar Station looks a tad different now, as does North Weald Station.
The passing loops and sidings have been reinstated, and it's not uncommon to see Steam and Diesel hauled trains, along with a DMU and DEMU.
Yes, i have been there! It is a wonderful place full of old buses and trains. Rumour has it the guy who owns the line was so pleased with it all he offered to buy everyone who worked there a cup of tea but found out it would cost more than a pound and fainted with shock! Lovely bloke though even if he doesn't run London bus routes anymore.....
I’m sure I’ve seen a picture of a 92 at Ongar
Aww the Ongar train is so cute
6:52 the blowdown making the kids scream! Can’t do that on a 92…..
No, the joys of shutting down only exist on the Bakerloo now..... lol
Wish I'd gone to see the Ongar shuttles before closure.
I wonder what the passenger numbers would be now if the line was still running or reinstated? Especially with spiralling house prices, new developments and people moving further away from London to get on the property ladder.
Ideal candidate for a class 230 service, or maybe a disability compliant class 142 Pacer.
If there was money in running a 'normal' passenger service over the line, Roger (the lines owner) would be in there like a shot. He isn't so i doubt it would pay even today......
Nice hope to see more videos of the London Underground :) just a shame you didn't do any proper filming of the 1992 tube stock to :(
MrGriser no because the 1962 stock was far superior than that awful plastic rubbish.
That is true but I didn't realize just how many 1962 tube stock's were still in service in September 1994 given they were all withdrawn in February 1995!
U lie lol
92 tube stock over 62 tube stock all the way, the 62 tube stock is a classic, though so is the 92 tube stock, watch them say the same thing about the 92 tube stock that they say about the 62 tube stock when they depart London, its just something they do for some reason, enjoy the 92 tube stocks while you can, the excellent new NTFL is coming, though the 92 tube stocks are said to be departing as they arrive
@@damienmanu117 1992 stock is shit
1994 train is awesome
Funny to think the 92s are now almost as old the 62s seen in this vid.....
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Great captures! I always loved the old 1960 Stock, do you have any footage of the Northern Line 1959 stock? Keep up the great content!
Hi there, yes i have 59, 62 & 72 stock on the Northern. Now i'm back from hols i will get another Underground vid up and it will be some of the above mention stock.
Thanks, i'm quite interested in the Northern Line Stock, especially the 72TS. I look forward to seeing it, ;)
I did recently see the heritage 59TS car at North Weald, it looks to be in good shape, was any of your Northern Line footage inclusive of the heritage train?
I'm guessing the handbar at 1:31 is to allow the guard some space during packed moments during the Central Line?
Yeah & also so people dont stand next to a open door when the trains in motion
@@IseyWasTaken That is a point I didn't think about. XD
18:47 REST GTK
Ah memories of when I was a Guard. Great footage of the lovely 1962 stock. Anymore great stuff like this Soi?
Hi there, finily enough-yes! I will sort out some more film i have taken at both ends of the line plus some more of the Guard seen in this one. The last Underground train with a Guard was on the Northern in 1998 so there will lots of people who have no idea Guards existed on the Underground and may find it quite interesting.
The last guard actually ran in 2000, on the last running of the 1959 stock.
Yes, i could be getting mixed up with the Guard featured in this vid, i think he left in 98 but it could well have been early due to an eyesight problem. I did ride on the last Underground train to have a Guard, i seem to recall it came out for the evening peak did a trip or two and that was it! I was pleased it was a 59 rather than a 72 as they were such appalling trains, even now those on the Bakerloo run around with numerous minor defects it is beyond the wit & wisdom of Stonebridge to ever fix.
Soi Buakhao 72 stock, one armed bandits with that dreadful rheo brake.
The 1972s were unreliable, the last one in service even failed, sealing it's fate! I still really like the old 72s they were nice in my opinion. A lot better than the plastic rubbish we have today from Alstom and Bombardier. One more thing, do you have any footage of the 1956 stock?
25 years since ongar closed
I think the Epp-Ong railway had some sort of celebration this year to mark it.
did a 1992 stock ever run to ongar???
I have never seen one but have been told one did go there on test.
Yeah, one test run was carried out. LU were concerned that permission to close the branch would be refused, and if it was, they'd need to operate 92 Stock in service, so had to test if it would work properly.
Why are all the West bound trains terminating at White City and not Northolt or West Ruislip? Was the Ruislip branch closed at this time?
I'm not sure why no West Rusilips are shown, maybe there was problems further along the line and LiV Street reversers may have gone through?.....
The red unit being used on the Ongar shuttle was obviously a hybrid unit. What year's stock were the two end cars?
Sorry, I've just realised it says in your introduction!
No worries Bob! Here's a bit more info though, the trailer was from a 38 stock although originally the 1960s ran with Standard Stock trailers (they were 4 car trains originally) when new, asnd ran the Hainault-Woodford shuutle for years. They were supposed to be replacement stock for the Standard Stock on the Central Line, the plan was to use the Standard trailers with new build 1960 DM cars. In the end a run on order for 59 stock was deemed to be the better option although slightly different to a 59 & designated 62 stock they were basically the same train!
This very unit features in Video 125's Central driver's eye view. According to the commentary, there were two red coloured sets of Cravens 1960 tube stock driving motor cars with the middle trailer being from a 1938 tube stock
Muhammad Yusuf Ali--i don't seem able to respond to your comment re the Guard at 0.55. The answer is he is alive & well living in Essex having retired from the Northern Line in 1998!
I may have crossed paths with him. I was a guard at Morden depot in 1996/97 before I went to the district line.
@@nickdavies2156 Yes, he was on the Northern by then and retired in 1998.
Biffo bostock with his wing mirrors
a cheap way of getting the Ongar line converted to OPO!
Why did they close the Ongar branch?? Seems an unusual thing to do in a metropolitan area. Is it a steam railway now? Wonder if it's still connected to the main network.
The line is deep in Essex, London ends just after Woodford on the Central Line. Even Epping is outside the M25 (one of a handfull of such stations). So it never really had many passengers, it was steam worked until the late 1950s and was electrified using equipment salvaged from the Alexandra Palce branch that didn't become the Northern Line after WW2 because of the Green Blet legislation, but they juiced up the Ongar branch!!! It is now a wonderfull heritage railway along with it's own bus service provided by heritage London vehicles, well worth a visit when this Stalinist lockdown ends......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I seem to remember some controversy over the heritage line. I may be very wrong here, but didnt they get in trouble with the locals renting it out to an adult film making crew?
Only tube station I've been to outside of m25 is uxbridge I think. Readings on the tube map now.lol.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus BBC News - Porn movie filmed at Epping Ongar heritage railway
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-32149393
Things I remember! (Not because I've seen the p@rn film mind!)
@@tonyjones9442 Uxbridge is inside the M25! Try again.......i'll be handing out prizes later.....lol The railway did let an adult production make a film and when word got out the Mary Whitehouse brigade complained but it was filmed on a day when the railways closed and hired out to the film crew....
That's me at 0:53
Really? What's your name then?.......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus sebastian
@@jonah6404 the bloke 0.53 is the guard, his name is not Sebastian, I couldn't see anyone else in the shot.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Lol
Great video. lol, Can't believe someone doesn't believe it was you. Great times. Thanks.@@jonah6404
wait 1992 stocks go to Ongar
No, the 1960 Cravens stock worked the Ongar service although a 4 car 1962 stock could cover if the Cravens was unavailable. The 92s and all 8 car trains worked only as far as Epping.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus OOOOOOOOOOOOOO K
They did sent a 92 stock to Ongar for a test run.
@@superteacher1000 idk
@@superteacher1000 Yes, i can well believe it. I bet thet made the lights dim well at Ongar, the line was only fed from the Epping end! When a 4 car 62 failed they had to send another 4 car to rescue them and that drew the power down well.....
Did the Hainault loop used to be off peak service
It used to be a shuttle with 1960 stock Hainault-Woodford with a few 62 stocks running to Grange Hill via Woodford (for Hainault depot). It was in later years that they extended the Hainault trains to Woodford and stopped using the ATO Victoria Line system (it was the test line for the Vic line signalling & stock)
Back to a shuttle now.
All West bound trains going to White City, so there must have been a problem on the West Ruisllup branch.
Possibly, or maybe just beyond White City? I haven't noticed if any were Ealing trains......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Ealing trains only run from the Epping branch at rush hours. All other times Epping branch trains run to the West Ruislip branch and Hainault branch trains run to Ealing Broadway. They only mix it up at rush hours. Has been so since I was a boy in the 60’s.
2:10 18:52 [1962] electro-pneumatic camshaft
Yes, all the 62s had PCM equipment with its familiar clunking as they notched up!
boneshakers!
Why were all the 62 Stock trains at Epping destined for White City, but not Ealing Broadway or West Ruislip?
It was the start of the peak, maybe that's how the timetable was back then.... or maybe the service had been disrupted, one or the other!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus You could be onto something there Soi, in those days it was all about the central area, hence the Marble Arch - Liverpool Street reversers which later became the White City - Liverpool Street trips. A lot more trains used to reverse at Loughton then as well, so probably a lot of Ealing/Ruislip trains at this moment in time started from there. Great footage, I think your films of Malcolm Barber give the best representation of the guards job in existence!
@@Captainpubwatch Thank you.... certainly happier days on the job back then......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus It’s not very happy now I can tell you. Going back to the time of the video, there was a mass exodus from the Central when the 92s came in, many older drivers I know (some since retired) came from there just to avoid the new trains. Everyone I know who worked 59/62s says it was the best time of their career, and a lot of ex-guards have told me they would have stayed doing that even now if they hadn’t got rid of the role. Not sure how being a guard in 2021 (in the last car with passengers) would fare, there’s some right idiots about. London is a very antisocial place these days, glad Malcolm retired in better times…..
Robey's Husband: I remember that old classic Ryder and Great Central London Railway tube stock history. The train is nine coaches roll stock for longest journey. But now is only right coaches train, no nine coaches is?... No wonder why changing since it is?! :(
I've not ever seen a pic of a 9 car train on the Central line although the Northern did run 9 car trains in the 1950s.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Robey's Husband: Wow, is difficult to explain memory since to find from history the Ryde & Great Central London Railway with 9 car... I've been in hidden station Satel Woodford Lane something... Pretty hard remembered it is! Just lost on my picture to shown it is! :(
The notice at 5:00 shows that the Ongar branch was to close in the summer of 1993. However it got a stay of execution due to those who regularly used it saying the replacement bus service would not be adequate, even with extra buses. The following year the branch did close, but only on the condition that London Underground would let someone else take it over to provide a service & they could use Epping station. The promised replacement service did not immediately happen, staying under LU ownership until 1998. Up to that point the tracks remained though the two third rails were removed after the line finally changed hands, which was to (& eventually become) 'The Epping-Ongar Railway Ltd', run by volunteers. Opening in 2004, a full ten years after the initial closure. It only provided a Sunday (& Monday bank holiday weekend) service between Ongar & North Weald, by then LU decided not to let the company use Epping station. That lasted for three years, before track improvements took place & reopened in 2012, when it became a weekend & holiday period service, again run by volunteers & is still running to this day. The line does continue from North Weald to Coopersale but stops just short of Epping. There are ongoing plans to build a new station to connect with the existing LU Epping station making interchange possible, meaning the old branch in it's entirety can have a revival at least of sorts. Hopefully before the 30th anniversary of the ending of proper services.
Yes, it's fortunes improved after it's full ownership came under the former owner of Blue Triangle Buses. He invested a fair bit of Go-Ahead's money into the railway to get it up to the standard it is today.......a place i encourage people to visit, i've always enjoyed my days out there!
0:45 ilc
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no wonder why nobody rides small tube train they are so small
its like a mini train lol
Plenty of people ride the London Underground, it's one of the busiest systems in the world! And there is one even smaller though, the Glasgow Subway is even smaller, tall people can only stand up straight in the dead centre of the cars.....
They were perfect.