Hi Hambini, Petr from Cyclists Hub here. I am slightly disappointed that you think of my website as a "shill center." I share EVERYTHING (the good, the bad, and the ugly) I find when testing wheels, no matter whether I have an affiliation or not. For example, I recently published Superteam wheels review where the hub completely failed. Or the Lún MEGA review, where I also encountered an issue with the rear hub. Please, allow me to explain how I approach wheel reviews: First, I do basic QC checks that involve things like spoke tension readings, rim trueness, dishing, etc. Then, I use the wheels to learn how they actually ride so I can compare them with other wheelsets I tested. I have described this process in detail on the web. My overall conclusion of these wheels is neutral. Spoke tension was all over the place, but ride-wise, these wheels were comfortable to ride (more than some super stiff carbon-spoked wheels). We are each strong in something different. For you, it's engineering. Logically, if I'm going to spend resources (either financial or time) on testing, I want it to reach the people for whom it's relevant, if possible. Whether a given reader decides to buy the product is up to them. I'm not convincing anyone; I'm just presenting the results of what I've found while also giving the option to save when buying by using discount coupons (as well as you do with some products). So, to sum up, I'm sorry that the Cyclists Hub comes off as so negative from your video. But I'll leave it to people to make up their own minds about the integrity of my reviews. - Petr
I'll keep it short, here's a page on your website about picking wheels. www.cyclistshub.com/best-chinese-carbon-wheels/ You've got "price" listed 58 times, and "discount code" 19 times You've also got a discount code on there for superteam wheels which in your own review fell apart. If that isn't shilling for commission then I don't know what is.
Looking at this with a glass half full - Take this as constructive criticism. The work has been done correctly, I assume, but maybe its about the final presentation. The articles needs to be framed and rewritten from a different narrative that doesn't come across as a "Shill Centre". I can agree with Hambini, visiting your site seems to be a focus on discount codes/affiliation sales. It cannot get more obvious with bold, uppercased red text shouting "15% off with this discount code"
@@Hambini Yes, I do. Half is from CTA buttons, and the rest is mostly from score summaries. The affiliate disclosure is right at the beginning of the article. But what I wrote in the previous comment still applies. As for the Superteam wheels, in the very first paragraph, I describe what happened and how Superteam handled it. A similar failure could have happened with any other brand. From later reviews (e.g., Cam Nicholls), the wheels come out positively due to their ride characteristics, and we agree on most things. Whether the problem was due to poor QC, rushing the product to the market ("beta Chinese products"), or something else is for another discussion. What is important is how the brand itself approached the problem. Only the experience of tens/hundreds of people will show the long-term durability and failure rate. One person's review is too short for that. If I were trying to shill people, as the definition of the word "shill" implies, I would gloss over all the negatives, don't you think? Readers receive complete information about my experience (positive and negative), and it's up to them how they use it for their decision.
@@fabiorodrigues7876 Thanks for the feedback. When I talked to people, they often told me that they missed the codes when they weren't highlighted like that. A lot of people these days just "skim" the content. With this highlighting, that's not happening. But now I understand that it may not give a good impression. 🤷♂
Ive got the older set of Trifox 60mm deep wheels (bought maybe 3 years ago), rear hub was trash I could get it to skip with my hands, even cleaning out the grease as a test (in case it was causing the pawls to not extend properly) didn't make it not-skip and nothing else I tried got it to engage properly. They sent me a replacement hub, I rebuilt the wheel and it still skipped the first time I stepped on the pedals and I could again cause it to skip by hand. In the end I bought a DT Swiss hub and swapped it out, (which to Trifox's credit they paid once I showed them the receipt of the hub) and havn't had any hub issues since
Nothing like a Hambini intro to wake you up in the morning, lol. Thanks as always for the in-depth analysis, I always learn something new when watching your videos. I really hope your bottom brackets come back in stock on your site soon as I am absolutely frothing at the mouth to get one in my possession!!!
Hahaha I work for NTN. Our facility manufactures bearings much much larger than that, most are used in heavy equipment like mining trucks and agricultural tractors.
I've built a few wheels, and the roundness and trueness of the hoop determines how the final product will turn out. The bottom bracket isn't the only hole manufacturers can't make round!
Hambini, the thing I appreciate so much about the frame reaming's, is that I have a basis of comparison in the Western brand's frames you've also reamed. You've reamed the Eastern and Western brands equally. For the wheels though, it seems like since Zipp took a lashing, most, if not all, of your wheel videos have been eastern, value focused, brands, not brands I see on the road or in the shop typically. I would love to see some thorough videos on some of the big Western wheel brands. Enve just launched a new hub I'd love your on hands opinion on. I'd be super curious to know what you think of Extralite hubs, Onyx Racing Hubs, maybe even Chris King. Also would love to know what you think of Reserve Rims, Enve Rims, and again, maybe even Chris King. When you tell me this Trifox wheel is trash, does that mean its better or worse than a new pair of Enve 4.5s off the shelf?
There is nothing better than waking up to a good old Reaming 😂😂😂😂 Great work to Hambini and his hairdressers 👍👍👍 I can guarantee that I am a massive CNUT and the GCN, CADE, BIKE RADAR, DAVE AUTHER Etc are all due a good shafting with no lube😮 very very soon 😂😂😂😂 My Internet bride says she will visit very soon, but I still have no dates??? Enjoy her pic on the bike👌😋
Waiting for a good hard wearing gravel wheel review. Wheels that won't break the bank, but can take a beating like I got from my hairdresser the other day!
I recently replaced my bearings in my Nutribullet blender. I was tempted to put in NTN or cermaic, but opted for cheapo stainless Chinese bearings. Hopefully I won't get reamed for that 🙄
As someone who has chewed glass I can promise you it's not as bad as you think. Ingesting unleaded fuel however....yeah...that will fuck you up quickly. Do that instead.
Hello Hambini, Is there a page on your website that explains the tools and methods you used to provide us this information and graphics? Will you be at the Concours de Machine 2024 to make a review? Have a nice day.
For a moment I thought that you were going to say they were worth it and the video title was sarcasm, but I guess that I have been here long enough that I should have known. Sorry that I doubted the Jedi Master of tolerance!
As the owner of a trifox frame I'm deeply offended they didn't sent me a 2$ off coupon for these wheels. Not that I would buy them but as a valued simp I expected more...
The braking is always at the tire. With a rim brake wheel, the force position and the tire are close together, on a disc wheel the load has to go through the hub and into spokes before making it to the tire.
18mm is 2015 spec width. Way behind. That said i bet you'll see a pair of these bolted to a Elve's Phallus like a male version of a cheap Vajazzle. Avoid
You would think that, over the last 20 years or so, improvements in design, materials and manufacturing would result in consistently decent if not good wheels to suit almost anybody. The reality is that most wheels - especially those claiming to be in the performance category - are consistently shit, if not worse. But, as I learned during my time in the business, these wheels appeal to a certain type of idiot who will go for appearances and price over quality, yet still expect said shit wheels to magically transform a shit rider on a garbage bike into something much better. When the opposite is true. People want their cake and eat it too. But they get a shit cake in the end and are too stupid to know any better. I could say more, but I’ll stop here. Thanks for the video and showing off your nice, new pen.
WIth straight-pull spokes, is there any reason why the nipples couldn't be on the hub-end rather than the rim end? The nipples would be burried in the hub and there wouldn't be the (small) aero penalty of them sticking out of the rim.
"I'd rather chew glass" Tell us what you REALLY think!!! How long did it take 'em to create a respected brand-name just to trash it? Seems amazingly quick?
Mate, what's up with youtube? I'm trying to ask a question about hubs I have here but my comment keeps disappearing after 17 seconds. I've been trying for a few days on a few videos and its so confusing.
Trifox are so bad and the customer service is worse. They are just a reseller of defected open mold stuff. Take for example the trifox x16 frame. You can pick it up from delihea for alot cheaper before trifox repaint them. I know this for a fact because I had a trifox frame and they just repainted over delihea decals and I could see the raised delihea decals underneath. Threw the frame in landfill where trifox belongs.
the width and inner seems to indicate an older mould, and coupled with unnamed spokes and nipples, and an unproven/unnamed/no brand hub, well, yes, glass is chewable. Stick with Sapim/Pillar/DT spokes and nipples and at least a "reviewed" hub.
@@weevilinabox now everything is pretty much 28 external 21 internal MINIMUM. With some Going to 30-32 external and 24-25 internal. For disc brakes. 19 internal 25 external is so 2018
@@Hambini To be honest, I'm not exactly sure why I asked that question since you said exactly why in the same sentence. I suspect early beer quaffing Prost! Seconds later I remember ... it is because it makes it obvious that Google/RUclips profiles us all! Many of us don't use real names or gendered names but Google knows what gender we are, who we vote for, how many tomatoes we buy, who our best friend is etc
Hi Hambini. I'd like to purchase your BB for my 2023 Time ADH, but I'm in Washington state in USA. Can we arrange it? I tried DMing you on Instagram but your account has restrictions against new msgs.
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Hi Hambini,
Petr from Cyclists Hub here. I am slightly disappointed that you think of my website as a "shill center." I share EVERYTHING (the good, the bad, and the ugly) I find when testing wheels, no matter whether I have an affiliation or not. For example, I recently published Superteam wheels review where the hub completely failed. Or the Lún MEGA review, where I also encountered an issue with the rear hub.
Please, allow me to explain how I approach wheel reviews:
First, I do basic QC checks that involve things like spoke tension readings, rim trueness, dishing, etc. Then, I use the wheels to learn how they actually ride so I can compare them with other wheelsets I tested. I have described this process in detail on the web.
My overall conclusion of these wheels is neutral. Spoke tension was all over the place, but ride-wise, these wheels were comfortable to ride (more than some super stiff carbon-spoked wheels).
We are each strong in something different. For you, it's engineering. Logically, if I'm going to spend resources (either financial or time) on testing, I want it to reach the people for whom it's relevant, if possible. Whether a given reader decides to buy the product is up to them. I'm not convincing anyone; I'm just presenting the results of what I've found while also giving the option to save when buying by using discount coupons (as well as you do with some products).
So, to sum up, I'm sorry that the Cyclists Hub comes off as so negative from your video. But I'll leave it to people to make up their own minds about the integrity of my reviews.
- Petr
I'll keep it short, here's a page on your website about picking wheels. www.cyclistshub.com/best-chinese-carbon-wheels/
You've got "price" listed 58 times, and "discount code" 19 times
You've also got a discount code on there for superteam wheels which in your own review fell apart.
If that isn't shilling for commission then I don't know what is.
@cyclistshub That is embarrassing. David Arthur of Discount codess
Looking at this with a glass half full - Take this as constructive criticism. The work has been done correctly, I assume, but maybe its about the final presentation. The articles needs to be framed and rewritten from a different narrative that doesn't come across as a "Shill Centre".
I can agree with Hambini, visiting your site seems to be a focus on discount codes/affiliation sales. It cannot get more obvious with bold, uppercased red text shouting "15% off with this discount code"
@@Hambini Yes, I do. Half is from CTA buttons, and the rest is mostly from score summaries. The affiliate disclosure is right at the beginning of the article. But what I wrote in the previous comment still applies.
As for the Superteam wheels, in the very first paragraph, I describe what happened and how Superteam handled it. A similar failure could have happened with any other brand. From later reviews (e.g., Cam Nicholls), the wheels come out positively due to their ride characteristics, and we agree on most things.
Whether the problem was due to poor QC, rushing the product to the market ("beta Chinese products"), or something else is for another discussion. What is important is how the brand itself approached the problem. Only the experience of tens/hundreds of people will show the long-term durability and failure rate. One person's review is too short for that.
If I were trying to shill people, as the definition of the word "shill" implies, I would gloss over all the negatives, don't you think? Readers receive complete information about my experience (positive and negative), and it's up to them how they use it for their decision.
@@fabiorodrigues7876 Thanks for the feedback. When I talked to people, they often told me that they missed the codes when they weren't highlighted like that. A lot of people these days just "skim" the content. With this highlighting, that's not happening. But now I understand that it may not give a good impression. 🤷♂
Can we all take a moment to appreciate the return of the princess blanket. Seeing it makes me a bit emotional.
Could be worse if they had TNT bearings that explode I suppose.
Trifucks? Makes sense to me
Ive got the older set of Trifox 60mm deep wheels (bought maybe 3 years ago), rear hub was trash I could get it to skip with my hands, even cleaning out the grease as a test (in case it was causing the pawls to not extend properly) didn't make it not-skip and nothing else I tried got it to engage properly. They sent me a replacement hub, I rebuilt the wheel and it still skipped the first time I stepped on the pedals and I could again cause it to skip by hand.
In the end I bought a DT Swiss hub and swapped it out, (which to Trifox's credit they paid once I showed them the receipt of the hub) and havn't had any hub issues since
Wow! Just Wow!
Is there a link as to how you swapped out the hub
@@jkspcoyNot talking about the freehub but the entire hub, had to take all the spokes off and rebuild the wheel etc
Wow big job I've got these wheels and the free hub is super loose😮
@@jkspcoy hah yeah and having to do it twice didn't leave me particularly impressed
Good morning Hambini.
I love to start the day with a good reaming.
Nothing like a Hambini intro to wake you up in the morning, lol. Thanks as always for the in-depth analysis, I always learn something new when watching your videos. I really hope your bottom brackets come back in stock on your site soon as I am absolutely frothing at the mouth to get one in my possession!!!
I love the smell of Hambini reaming in the morning!
Hahaha I work for NTN. Our facility manufactures bearings much much larger than that, most are used in heavy equipment like mining trucks and agricultural tractors.
5:20 mark - Comedic GOLD big boyyyyyy
I've built a few wheels, and the roundness and trueness of the hoop determines how the final product will turn out. The bottom bracket isn't the only hole manufacturers can't make round!
Just love your utter frankness, refreshing. When a product is pants, its pants.
This guy is an idiot. Generally makes content with no purpose. Next thing you know he will start a channel reaming Tornos AG. Generally useless bloke.
What's most important is that the logo is predominately displayed so people know how much you've spent.
-Average RUclipsr:
"Look at this new camera/lighting/editing software I got! So hi-tech!!
-Hambini:
"lol smooth pen go brrrr."
I bought a pair of Nine Velo (and used the HAMBINI discount). They aren't here yet, but I'm looking fwd to rolling them soon.
That is how the nukeproof v2 horizon are built but have a higher engagement. With 6 pawls on and 3 bearing in the gear and 2 in the rim for long life.
Hambini, the thing I appreciate so much about the frame reaming's, is that I have a basis of comparison in the Western brand's frames you've also reamed. You've reamed the Eastern and Western brands equally. For the wheels though, it seems like since Zipp took a lashing, most, if not all, of your wheel videos have been eastern, value focused, brands, not brands I see on the road or in the shop typically.
I would love to see some thorough videos on some of the big Western wheel brands. Enve just launched a new hub I'd love your on hands opinion on. I'd be super curious to know what you think of Extralite hubs, Onyx Racing Hubs, maybe even Chris King. Also would love to know what you think of Reserve Rims, Enve Rims, and again, maybe even Chris King.
When you tell me this Trifox wheel is trash, does that mean its better or worse than a new pair of Enve 4.5s off the shelf?
Blimey ads and new pen is working in a wonderful way rubbing marvellous 🎉
There is nothing better than waking up to a good old Reaming 😂😂😂😂 Great work to Hambini and his hairdressers 👍👍👍 I can guarantee that I am a massive CNUT and the GCN, CADE, BIKE RADAR, DAVE AUTHER Etc are all due a good shafting with no lube😮 very very soon 😂😂😂😂 My Internet bride says she will visit very soon, but I still have no dates??? Enjoy her pic on the bike👌😋
Beautiful handwriting!
Waiting for a good hard wearing gravel wheel review. Wheels that won't break the bank, but can take a beating like I got from my hairdresser the other day!
Get some XC wheels and live a happy life 🙏
Same with 19mm internal width, I can't find anything... 21mm is a bit wide if I want to mount 28mm tyres.
Rims are pretty indicative Trifox may have got ahold of some older molds on the cheap.
I recently replaced my bearings in my Nutribullet blender. I was tempted to put in NTN or cermaic, but opted for cheapo stainless Chinese bearings. Hopefully I won't get reamed for that 🙄
You really should by for AB oversized blades which provide unsurpassed speed, efficiency and consistency.
@@event4216As long as they're ceramic blades.
@@event4216those will be my next overpriced upgrade. Good suggestion
I need to do that, tired of buying new blades.
@@sapinva no fancy bearing press required 😉
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do an episode of the budget winspace wheels
As someone who has chewed glass I can promise you it's not as bad as you think. Ingesting unleaded fuel however....yeah...that will fuck you up quickly. Do that instead.
hi happy new year thanks for your hard work
Oh that pen action 😍
That pen is certainly working.
Great job Hambini
Hello Hambini,
Is there a page on your website that explains the tools and methods you used to provide us this information and graphics?
Will you be at the Concours de Machine 2024 to make a review?
Have a nice day.
For 1/2 of that price you can get a pair of entry level DG Swiss, about the same weight.
For a moment I thought that you were going to say they were worth it and the video title was sarcasm, but I guess that I have been here long enough that I should have known. Sorry that I doubted the Jedi Master of tolerance!
Hambini onesy……. no words.
As the owner of a trifox frame I'm deeply offended they didn't sent me a 2$ off coupon for these wheels.
Not that I would buy them but as a valued simp I expected more...
Could you please explain why the wheel needs to be heavily laced because of disc brakes. Many thanks.
The braking is always at the tire. With a rim brake wheel, the force position and the tire are close together, on a disc wheel the load has to go through the hub and into spokes before making it to the tire.
@@Hambini thanks for the explanation.
Running Reynolds on my felt. Aside from being a little squishy, they have impressed
18mm is 2015 spec width. Way behind. That said i bet you'll see a pair of these bolted to a Elve's Phallus like a male version of a cheap Vajazzle. Avoid
The rubber will ware out on those pens so try not to make any mistakes.
You would think that, over the last 20 years or so, improvements in design, materials and manufacturing would result in consistently decent if not good wheels to suit almost anybody. The reality is that most wheels - especially those claiming to be in the performance category - are consistently shit, if not worse. But, as I learned during my time in the business, these wheels appeal to a certain type of idiot who will go for appearances and price over quality, yet still expect said shit wheels to magically transform a shit rider on a garbage bike into something much better. When the opposite is true. People want their cake and eat it too. But they get a shit cake in the end and are too stupid to know any better. I could say more, but I’ll stop here. Thanks for the video and showing off your nice, new pen.
WIth straight-pull spokes, is there any reason why the nipples couldn't be on the hub-end rather than the rim end? The nipples would be burried in the hub and there wouldn't be the (small) aero penalty of them sticking out of the rim.
5:15
1.8% that s crazy. wow
I got the first comment! Looks like you just came back from the hairdresser.
I did!
I've got them. Came with the frameset for a discounted price. They're fine, but nothing special at all.
1:29 even Trifox wheels get 'faked'🤭🤭🤭🤭 Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING is safe!
Lighter than those 9Velo wheels but still heavy for racing
Has the hairdresser measured your pen yet , 👍
She has a go nogo gauge
@@HambiniI'm glad you are using the rubber as protection
Please review some mtb hubs... maybe Spank, Bitex vs Hope, I9, and other stupid expensive brands.
"I'd rather chew glass" Tell us what you REALLY think!!! How long did it take 'em to create a respected brand-name just to trash it? Seems amazingly quick?
At $700, would it not be better to buy a higher end aluminium rim model from an established manufacturer? It's not like you save much weight.
Crap for Landfill 💯💥👍
Whats your opinion on angular contact bearings in wheels? I.e fulcrum, campag hubs
this or proX for gravel,thanks Hambini 1700 g a touch heavy?
prox
Nowadays you get a good carbon Wheelset with original Sapim Spokes from China for this Price 700$ or lower.
Mate, what's up with youtube? I'm trying to ask a question about hubs I have here but my comment keeps disappearing after 17 seconds. I've been trying for a few days on a few videos and its so confusing.
Something's off with the audio, check your mic Hambini.
Does a significant aero advantage of deeper rim wheels come from the shorter spokes, therefore less spoke length to churn through the air ?
18mm internal width... *FACEPALM*
That was the standard 12 years ago.
Schöne Kugellager aus Mettmann! Ordentlich!
Straight pull? Is that better? Looks totally lame in my opinion.
The spokes angle hideously from the hub.
Anyone know of any rim brake 60mm~ deep wheels under 1350g?
farsports ventoux S
@@Hambini 55mm and over 1400g :(
They could be free and i still wouldn't use them. Stupidly heavy.
Why bother when same money can get you a pair from 9velo?
Yep. I'd get those ones without thinking twice
My elite wheels came with "NTN" bearings. They were complete shite and lasted a few weeks. I assume they were fakes !
Who TF even buys these wheels? Elitewheels Edge cost same price, are 1291g, and offer 36T ratchet system with ceramic hubs
You can now "rub it out"? 😂😅🤣
It's about time, eh?! 👍🏼🤫
Trifox are so bad and the customer service is worse. They are just a reseller of defected open mold stuff. Take for example the trifox x16 frame. You can pick it up from delihea for alot cheaper before trifox repaint them.
I know this for a fact because I had a trifox frame and they just repainted over delihea decals and I could see the raised delihea decals underneath.
Threw the frame in landfill where trifox belongs.
HED wheels have hidden nipples. Therefore most aero wheels AND can work in the wet with rim brake
Not a very good morning for Trifox.
QR-code on the reamed rim sends you to nowhere. Browser said "This site can't be reached". IDK if it is bad or good. Just a cherry on top.
I get the same thing trying to unsubscribe from Lume deodorant ads.
If my *ss stinks I'll take a shower😅
He knows a lot, but I don’t think he’s ever been satisfied with a product so it’s hard to take videos seriously anymore.
the width and inner seems to indicate an older mould, and coupled with unnamed spokes and nipples, and an unproven/unnamed/no brand hub, well, yes, glass is chewable.
Stick with Sapim/Pillar/DT spokes and nipples and at least a "reviewed" hub.
Cheap & heavy, almost an outdated width… NTN bearings won’t redeem that
The cycling industry must be the only place where width can go out of date!
@@Hambinihairdresser also has strong opinions on width ...
@@Hambini their external width is literally the others internal width these days hahaha
In what way is the width outdated?
(I took a break from servicing my cup and cone bearings to ask this.)
@@weevilinabox now everything is pretty much 28 external 21 internal MINIMUM. With some
Going to 30-32 external and 24-25 internal. For disc brakes. 19 internal 25 external is so 2018
Three foxes .. and a hairdresser.. what could ho wrong ..
Even if they are $699, why would anyone buy these? Because they want to pay less for crap wheels?
my MTB wheels weigh less!! (DT Swiss XMC 1200)
my shimamo rs10 wheelset is better, and theyre dogpiss
1.8% of your viewers are female?
How do you know?
It's in RUclips stats
@@Hambini To be honest, I'm not exactly sure why I asked that question since you said exactly why in the same sentence. I suspect early beer quaffing
Prost!
Seconds later I remember ... it is because it makes it obvious that Google/RUclips profiles us all! Many of us don't use real names or gendered names but Google knows what gender we are, who we vote for, how many tomatoes we buy, who our best friend is etc
Hi Hambini. I'd like to purchase your BB for my 2023 Time ADH, but I'm in Washington state in USA. Can we arrange it?
I tried DMing you on Instagram but your account has restrictions against new msgs.
If you email me, I can sort it. I rarely look at Instagram
@@Hambini Please, send me your email address. Thank you.