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N it’s to early in the season to tell and I think it’s because he has so much pressure on him and on top of that he is being played 40 minutes so of course he’s gonna suffer from being played so much. Yes we did overpay but I think he will prove his worth by the end of the season
People don’t understand that when you take a guy who was the first option on a bad team and ask him to be the 4th option on a good team, you’re not gonna get the same numbers.
Precisely. We already knew they might struggle a bit with a new group of (very talented) guys. There is absolutely nothing to worry about at this point. Now if they're .500 in Feburary, well, I'd start to be concerned.
This internet age is disgusting. These dudes got 70+ basketball games to go and these dudes losing their top, not even because they want to...because you HAVE to keep churning out "content" 🤢
Bridges is OK. The problem is KAT at the 5 position. He is not a good defender and should not be expected to be the last line of defence. He needs to be playing at the 4 position. Chris Finch figured that out in Minnesota that is why they were willing to give up so much for Gobert. Unfortunately Tibbs has not figured that out yet and insists on going with a 3 guard starting line up to make matters even worse. Mitch at the 5 would stabilize the defence, but until he gets back I would throw Hukporti into the fire. The offense is better than last year's but the defence is completely unbalanced and that has nothing to do with Bridges.
Bridges has been really bad at point of attack defense. if he's not stopping his man from getting into the lane constantly and not hitting his threes what good is he? You can't expect KAT to cover up his bad defense all game long.
Bridges is not ok. He’s lost in the rotation. He needs to do what Randle was doing. Approach Thibs and watch film of Randle game but Bridges is not that all star caliber player so he’s NOT GOOD at all and does not fit with starting 5
The only trade that is killing us rn is Bridges trade. I wish we would’ve made the Kat trade earlier instead. Randle and 3 first round draft picks would’ve been fair. We would be in an amazing spot if we had Kat and DVO instead of Kat and Bridges
Yes. He’s still a very good player but in no world is he worth all those picks. We legit could’ve been in the Giannis sweepstakes if we held on for a bit longer
They could've got giannis for what they gave up. If giannis wants out of Milwaukee we can't do anything cause we traded everything for a rotation player
Bridges isn't the major problem, our major problem is Both of our current centers are s***** defenders... We have scorers, One of them is an MVP level scorer. The issue is we lost iHart (Great defender, IQ, 10/15 points a game) and exchanged with a 25 a night guy that is going to be targeted every night, especially by the good coaches... He has no paint presence (Even though he seems to be in drop coverage every time and STILL no one scared to drive), he doesn't shift And the reason he's getting 15 bounds a game is because he's just sitting in the paint waiting for shots to go up... They're targeting him off the pick and roll, they're swinging it till they get to whoever Kat is supposed to be defending for a wide open shot etc... unless tibbs starts directing him to be up his opponents ass every second (which I saw him do like three times the whole game and all three times it was effective), I don't see this situation getting any better
The season is soo young. We won’t know who won this trade until 2028. Tom had historically slow starts. Especially with the knicks. Can we stop and let it cook??
People saying It's too early for this bridges trade was one of the 5 largest trades in NBA history in terms of draft capital. The other 4 trades included prime paul George in 2019 who was n MVP candidate, AD who was top 5 in the world the yr lakers won in 2020, KD to the suns who at the time was still in top 5 discussions, and james harden who was also in top 5 discussions. This is bad
The real problem is the KAT trade, they gave so much to create the Nova Knicks, then to break it even before the season started. Even Brunson took less money to make it happen. Brunson lost 100M for no reason. The KAT trade didn't not make us better, actually worst... We just a decent team now, not a contender like we would of been with the Nova Knicks leverage + Randle...
Bridges isn't the problem......Brunson not guarding pgs is the problem. Also we need a better offensive scheme so everyone eats....and lastly HAVE TO USE THE BENCH!!!!
@@Juan_rivera Mikal was never an all NBA player or NBA all-star.mikl is soft and can't cut or create his own shot like Randle who can get the ball for himself unlike Mikal or Kat that brunson has to feed to witch is why brunson is struggling because he didn't have to feed Randle .u have to be on weed to say Mikal is a better player than Randle or a noob at basketball
Worst trade in team history no fault of KAT he's great - but also super bad fit! Randle and Divo were critical pieces that fit like a glove. Juju was perfect match with Brunson. Watch some Wolves games to see what we are missing. While arguably best ever shooting Big man and great rebounder too, KAT has no down hill game, can't facilitate, no ball handling skills, gets in foul trouble often, is weak defensively and doesn't draw double teams - that prevent Jalen from constantly being double teamed. Randle checked all those boxes! OG looks fat and slow after insane 212m 5 yr deal and MB costing FIVE 1st rd picks and new contract coming, two never were and never will be All Stars massively over paid for and under performing!!!! Randle's ball handling Point Forward skills took pressure off Brunson like he does for Wolves PGs now, where Divo again showing he's thoroughly competent combo guard with most diverse skills. Trade decimated bench once a great strength now pathetic one man Deuce show until Precious and Mitch back as Sims is as ineffective as ever and Hokporti, Kolek and rest of bench so not ready for any significant burn!!! Only when Precious and Mitch back will we have a fully functional 8 man rotation - but with pieces that fit poorly on both ends. We had a 55-6- win top 4 team. Record proves what they are now, a .500, 40-42 win team at best..
Knicks moved to the second spot mostly without Randle last season. Stop the hate on KAT. What do you think our record would be right now with no center until January and Precious’s injury, especially with Brunson’s slow start? Way too much pressure on KAT rather than our captain and it looks like most Knick fans are giving Bridges a pass. I see there’s more Nova Knick fans on than New York Knick fans. 🤦♂️
@ KAT is playing great his game is not the problem. Bridges is a problem. He is massively under performing on both ends of the court. Randle fit perfect with Jalen drawing double teams away from Jalen. I thought bridges would do that. He doesn’t. Divo was critical piece. Missing Mitch and Precious at same time now is brutal. Sims is strictly an emergency player and happy to see Hukporti get minutes. I have a lot of hopes in Cam Payne who look great last night. Kolec is an along time project. We massively overpaid for OG, MB and KAT too. We lost our identity as a defensive powerhouse with a great bench. We might score more points this year, but we are going to give up much more than last year.
The Knicks overpaid for the chemistry fit, pre Donte trade. Donte was a 🔑 ingredient for this Knicks team. But I’ll go a little bit further. OG refusing to take less like our All Star captain did, is the real square root. I’m taking all debates😤
In summary to my whole spiel, our identity is defense, turnovers, tempo of the game stealing etc , We have four great defenders going nuts every play for 22 seconds And then a center that lets a wide open shot go up making the other guys exhausted, demoralized and feeling like no matter what they do they just can't get stops... Crazy to say but watch when achua comes back, I bet we look like a completely different team... Scoring 30 points but being the reason the other team scored 60 points DOES NOT balance the scales And this is the exact same problem we had with Randall and tibbs is just too stubborn to make play-by-play on the fly adjustments... If something's not working he'll just ride with it anyways for 30 possessions
There's nothing wrong with Bridges it's just Brunson don't like to pass n him n OG get way to much money just to watch Brunson do all the shooting the problem was we gave up too much for Kat. Randle Divo n a first round pick kat was not worth all that....
Of course, the Knicks got fleeced. It's been the story of this franchise for over 50 years. It's the New York way, and it always ends up the same way. You would think they would have learned something during these ill-advised deals, but they simply refuse. You can bet your last dollar that after they climb out of this pit, they'll dig another one. It's the league's oldest joke.
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I knew how awesome this Knicks team was going to be after they got Bridges and was super excited to watch Brunson, Bridges, Donte and Hart with a healthy OG , Precious , Duece etc but as soon as I heard Kat was here and Donte was gone I knew instantly that was the death blow . I can't tell you how disgusted I am over that trade , I knew the team would never play the same again and I also said repeatedly that Brunson and Bridges WOULD NOT be as productive as they would have been before the Kat trade . I don't blame Bridges or Brunson for looking like a shell of their normal selves I blame the Knicks front office who decided to blow everything up.
I was one of the seemingly minority that wanted to run it back! We already had a championship team and should’ve been in the eastern conference championship. Why would we make so many changes? We went from being a contender and one of the funnest Knicks teams in history to watch to a pile of dogshit! We went from having one of the deepest bench’s in the league to not having one at all! Can we please stop the nova Knicks shit?? I get it but cmon what New Yorker wants to have their teams nickname have anything to do with Philly??? Gimme a fkn break plz!
Umm 🤔 sorry to break the news but the majority of his trades he got fleeced the towns trade I feel Timberwolf’s won the OG trade I feel that the Raptors won most are just opening their eyes!
They made this trade to please Brunson. I never liked the trades they made this off season. They should've ran it back with everyone healthy and see from there. They treated Randle like he didn't do shit to get this organization where they are at now. They build this team around Brunson cause of his allstar season which he had no choice to be the man cause we had nothing else with Randle hurt.
This will be judged as one of the worst trades of all time. The sudden availability of Giannis makes it much worse. It would be embarrassing if the Nets use the Knicks picks to acquire him. The criticism of the deal will increase as the year proceeds and will ultimately lead to the firing of Leon Rose.
The biggest reason why it was such an awful trade is the fact that this lead to us benching & then trading Donte. Divencenzo was the heart of the squad last yr, his defense was so underrated. We could have still gotten Towns for Randle & some of the 6 draft picks we traded away.. The Bridges trade may go down as the worst trade in Knick history
We could’ve offered the SAME EXACT package(pause) to the Bucks for Giannis and I guarantee you they would’ve at least considered it; thats how crazy of an offer that was; for Bridges????
crazy how we didn't want to give up 3 unprotected picks for allstar D.Mitchell but gave up 5 for role player Bridges. I like Bridges but I never understood the love fest fans had for him other than he played with Brunson in college. the team will come around but I'm still upset about that. Cavs is doing what many Knick fans predicted Bridges and Brunson will do together
As a Celtics fan, I loved the KAT trade more 😂 At least there’s hope Bridges will be a 2 way player. Losing Hartenstein was massive. Love it. I predict Thibs will run 6 players into the ground this season.
Nonsense. This isn't Bridge's fault. Thibs can take a mid team and help it overachieve, but he doesn't know how to utilize a talented team and take it to it's potential. He expects stars to carry the load on offense then play defense every possession like they're defensive specialists. Pacers were missing 3 rotation players and still went ten deep, we played 7 guys with FOUR ROTATION PLAYERS OUT in November, not the playoffs, but the 9th game....that's absurd. Turner and Haliburton rested in the third and came back fresh in the 4th and helped them out gun us. That's why the best offense in the league is blowing games in crunch time, doesn't take an NBA analyst to figure this out. Fun fact...for the 8-1 Warriors, Kerr goes 13 deep....in the first quarter!!! This is the new NBA, a plug and play system that goes deep to help players run around and contest those deep shots while keeping the go to guys fresh to finish, but somebody needs to tell our overseer that.
Knicks FO should have waited until the trade deadline. Evaluate the chemistry and if help is needed then make trades. Mikal Bridges is the worst trade of Leon Rose era. Rose better go downstairs and talk to Mikal and get him up to speed. Mikal will never be an all star caliber player. Rose should be fired if Mikal Bridges continue down this path and Knicks do not make the ECF and NBA Finals. Chants of fire Rose and boo Bridges at MSG if they keep losing. Knicks were doing fine with IHart Randle and Divo. Just find back up 5 and don’t mess with the other moving parts until necessary. If Knicks don’t make it to ECF and beat Boston, Rose should be fired and Mikal traded. Now Knicks have no low post PF in Randle, terrible 3 pt shooting, chemistry does not work, KAT is slow and does not buy into playing defense and the bench looks like shit without size at the 4-5. Poor draft management by NY Knicks FO when they could have draft a Center in first round but instead they opt for 19 year old sitting on bench. Rose was doing good until Bridges trade which he got fleeced
Mikal can EASILY be an all star if the Knicks had a clue how to play him . If the Knicks don't go anywhere this year it's not Bridges or Brunsons fault it's the Kat trade that changed how the entire team interacts . Bridges was supposed to play along Divo as they were amazing together in the past . As soon as Divo got traded I said this will have a very negative impact on not just Brunson but Bridges as well and thats exactly what we're seeing . The KAT trade doomed this team.
@@herbcanter2114 Mikal was never an all star player that’s why my Nets traded him to y’all because we saw the huge offer that y’all were willing to give us so yea y’all got fleeced lol
I got a headache!!!! Didnt we stop doing that years ago?? Big names players?? Dam why didnt we run it back?? I thought tyings was different? Now were weak..even brusin is too small we see the bigger guard giving him problems..dam
What everyone failed to realize Brooklyn didn't have an elite pg. Bridges had the ball majority of the time so he was scoring 20+. Now he's on a team with a ball dominant guard so his touches are down. I'm not making excuses for his shooting now.
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I don’t know. I think it’s still too early yet after 10 games. They gave up #1 draft picks, not players for Mikal. Knicks haven’t had the best of luck with the draft anyway. What gets me is the idea of adding former Villanova wildcats for team chemistry and then give away Divo. I think the idea was to add an insurance wing if OG got hurt. But then the Knicks paid a premium to sign on OG anyway. All that said I don’t envy Leon and company making tough decisions with salary cap restrictions. So I think once Mitch gets back he will help as a rim protector and improve the defense some. What still seems discouraging is the Knicks still have some holes to fill and they have little flexibility to do so at this point.
Pray for Knicks starters, Thibs is running these guys into the ground. That's why the suck in the forth quarters they have no energy left. Can't close out 3s or hit them with weak legs
Honestly if they get rid of Thibs this team would be doing better, him and Doc need each other. He's definitely gonna burn the team out, 2nd round exit or injury with his style of coaching. Anyone who leads with fear is going to fail. He's out of his league in this new era, his defensive schemes are seriously out dated. I'm cool with everything the Knicks have done the last move is to fire Thibs and hire Johnny Bryant or Mark Jackson
First Fire Leon Rose 2nd Fire Thibs. I have been preaching over and over again THAT LEON ROSE DOES NOT WALK ON WATER and he Botches a Trade and then makes another Trade to fix the Bad one he made
The trade is fine..the only issue with bridges is that he's not engaged and i think it's because .Brunson is hogging the rock so it causes him to just stand at the 3pt line
No, I wouldn't undo the trade for Mikal Bridges. I was one of the people pushing to get him and OG Anunoby. Why? I felt that the team would be great defensively with them. The issue is with Thibs. He seems to be unable to use some players well on offense consistently for some reason. Instead of turning Mikal Bridges into a simple jump shooter, Thibs could have him: drive to the rim more, cut to the rim for easy passes on the run, getting out in transition & catching passes from Josh Hart on fast breaks, doing pick n' rolls and shooting some mid-range shots. Thibs has the team playing far too predictably which is why they couldn't beat Indiana & why they are turning the ball over so much. Teams are guessing where they're going to pass the ball & are intercepting it. I think he needs to speed up the pace which would help Mikal Bridges score more easily. The players should also be moving more without the ball and getting out in transition. They are playing far too slow.
So wait...I'm not calling you out specifically because frankly I don't recall who said what... However I distinctly recall the proponents of this deal, warning skeptics off of including any mention of these picks in their pushback. "it's what all that draft capitol is for" was the going meme. I'm open to correction if my recall is faulty.
The Knicks overpaid by about two first round picks but it was still worth it. Bridges has it a little tough being the fourth option. He had that green light in BK and now he has to find his, off scraps and cutting to the basket. The guy is absolutely worth 4 First Rounders, if he needs to be traded.
As I said...I think I would undo the trade for KAT instead because the bench took a hit. If we hadn't done the trade, Donte DiVincenzo & Josh Hart would be on the bench. Precious would be there too when he comes back along with Deuce. That would be a good bench. Now Thibs is playing basically 2 guys off the bench & running the starters into the ground. The starters sometimes look like they are trying to catch their breath & trying to avoid looking exhausted. And it's just November. Imagine what will be happening in February. Jalen Brunson also took a hit with that trade. He doesn't look as dominant. Julius Randle & Donte DiVincenzo fit perfectly with Brunson, as I said before, and they drew defenders away allowing Jalen to shine. Before that trade, I had the Knicks going to the Finals and possibly giving Boston a run for their money. After the trade...I'm not so sure. And even if they do get there, I can't see them giving Boston a serious challenge. They lost to an Indiana team that was rocked with injuries. They made Mathurin look like Kobe or Jordan and Tyrese Haliburton look like Steve Nash. And Thibs simply doesn't adjust. He keeps doing the same thing. He won't expand the lineup by playing the bench more, won't speed up the pace & won't get the players to use their athleticism to get out in transition. I'm beginning to wonder if the Knicks should keep him, honestly. If he doesn't change, the entire team is going to be in suits on the bench for the playoffs. He's playing the starters like it's the playoffs and the guys on the bench are basically watching the game just like the fans. Why get them and not play them? Some can hit 3s. Ariel Hukporti can defend, rebound & score at the rim. Look at Golden State. Notice that they're playing their ENTIRE bench and are WINNING games. Players aren't going to get better without real game time experience. Why not give them 15 minutes and see what happens? If we can't use them, why get them? Why not get players that you can or want to play? I don't get it.
The coaching staff needs to get this team together on defense. There is no reason why they should be falling into drop coverage every play in a 3 point dominated league. Also Tibbs once again not playing his bench. Something needs to change.
Dude You Need To Relax!!! It's Only 9 Games Into The Season So Far. You Gotta Relax. You Reaching At This Point. The Knicks Always Start Off Slow. We Good🗽🔶️🔷️
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N for I was from the beginning that it was too many picks for a player you wanted from the days with Phoenix
Yes 100%
I would save all that stuff and get someone better than KAT without giving up Donte
N it’s to early in the season to tell and I think it’s because he has so much pressure on him and on top of that he is being played 40 minutes so of course he’s gonna suffer from being played so much. Yes we did overpay but I think he will prove his worth by the end of the season
People don’t understand that when you take a guy who was the first option on a bad team and ask him to be the 4th option on a good team, you’re not gonna get the same numbers.
We’re not even 10 games in and we are already panicking…omg
Precisely. We already knew they might struggle a bit with a new group of (very talented) guys.
There is absolutely nothing to worry about at this point. Now if they're .500 in Feburary, well, I'd start to be concerned.
Exactly the super team Miami heat started of worst than this chemistry does not happen over night
This internet age is disgusting. These dudes got 70+ basketball games to go and these dudes losing their top, not even because they want to...because you HAVE to keep churning out "content" 🤢
I'm not. Pussies are.
This team will never be a top 10 defense as currently constructed so they aren't winning anything when it matters. You ok with that?
Bridges is OK. The problem is KAT at the 5 position. He is not a good defender and should not be expected to be the last line of defence. He needs to be playing at the 4 position. Chris Finch figured that out in Minnesota that is why they were willing to give up so much for Gobert. Unfortunately Tibbs has not figured that out yet and insists on going with a 3 guard starting line up to make matters even worse. Mitch at the 5 would stabilize the defence, but until he gets back I would throw Hukporti into the fire. The offense is better than last year's but the defence is completely unbalanced and that has nothing to do with Bridges.
Exactly
Bridges has been really bad at point of attack defense. if he's not stopping his man from getting into the lane constantly and not hitting his threes what good is he? You can't expect KAT to cover up his bad defense all game long.
Bridges is not ok. He’s lost in the rotation. He needs to do what Randle was doing. Approach Thibs and watch film of Randle game but Bridges is not that all star caliber player so he’s NOT GOOD at all and does not fit with starting 5
agree..center defense and tired legs on the wing during 4th quarters is killing them
I didn't like all the trades the Knicks did from the beginning! They should have kept all the players from last year !!!
KAT is good but hes not a 5. Hartenstein did us dirty by leaving because he was the best center for this team but he would've been injured anyway
Should’ve kept the players then drafted a center with their first pick to replace IHeart.
@@jtpj4245 We don't play drafted players that why Kolek and Hukporti get no time
Same also including divincenzo with Randle in the other trade
The only trade that is killing us rn is Bridges trade. I wish we would’ve made the Kat trade earlier instead. Randle and 3 first round draft picks would’ve been fair. We would be in an amazing spot if we had Kat and DVO instead of Kat and Bridges
The Knicks front office took a great team with great chemistry, and traded it all away for brand name players.
U people talking crazy, the only rotation players we traded were Randle and donte and randle didn’t have good chemistry
Randle had great chemistry with Brunson.
@ that’s a very hot take
@ towns has already shown greater chemistry with Brunson and we’re not even 20 games in the season
Classic knicks jets yanks
I wouldn't have done none of the trades. Chemistry was to good. I would've waited to see were we at for the trade deadline
Yes. He’s still a very good player but in no world is he worth all those picks. We legit could’ve been in the Giannis sweepstakes if we held on for a bit longer
Both of the last 2 trades were terrible. Considering we were unbeatable before OG and Randle got injured. We were closer to a chip before the trades.
At this point neither team was close to a chip
They should have never made the trades from the get-go! Sheer stupidity!
They could've got giannis for what they gave up. If giannis wants out of Milwaukee we can't do anything cause we traded everything for a rotation player
Yeah they should have got in their fuckin Delorean and gone back to the future and realised that Giannis still isnt going anywhere! Idioooot
Leon failed us
Lmfao all that for a rotation player thanks Knicks
Yeah but Giannis is more of an iso player brings the ball up, and doesn't spread the floor like KAt. How would the Giannis Branson duo work.
Bridges isn't the major problem, our major problem is Both of our current centers are s***** defenders... We have scorers, One of them is an MVP level scorer. The issue is we lost iHart (Great defender, IQ, 10/15 points a game) and exchanged with a 25 a night guy that is going to be targeted every night, especially by the good coaches... He has no paint presence (Even though he seems to be in drop coverage every time and STILL no one scared to drive), he doesn't shift And the reason he's getting 15 bounds a game is because he's just sitting in the paint waiting for shots to go up... They're targeting him off the pick and roll, they're swinging it till they get to whoever Kat is supposed to be defending for a wide open shot etc... unless tibbs starts directing him to be up his opponents ass every second (which I saw him do like three times the whole game and all three times it was effective), I don't see this situation getting any better
Id undo the KAT trade . He plays no defense at all . Smh
He plays too much defense he becomes a hack I wonder what team he’s playing on? The avengers??
Keep Kat,trade Mikal
HES NOT A CENTER
@@gkatusared he is a center,he's just not a good one 😂😂😂
@@gkatusared kat a offensive center
He was the best player on a bad Nets team so the Knicks thought he would be the same on a good team. Be patient he'll find his groove soon
Did they overpay yes but I will wait for them to gel
The season is soo young.
We won’t know who won this trade until 2028.
Tom had historically slow starts. Especially with the knicks. Can we stop and let it cook??
Loll😂
People saying It's too early for this bridges trade was one of the 5 largest trades in NBA history in terms of draft capital. The other 4 trades included prime paul George in 2019 who was n MVP candidate, AD who was top 5 in the world the yr lakers won in 2020, KD to the suns who at the time was still in top 5 discussions, and james harden who was also in top 5 discussions. This is bad
Each trade you mentioned, included high level players along with those picks. 😂
IMO - This Knicks roster doesn’t end up a lottery team.
PG - Gilgeous-Alexander (MVP level player), Danilo Gallinari (20ppg scorer), (5) first-round picks, plus (2) pick swaps
AD - Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball (prior to realizing he was damaged goods), Josh Hart, (3) first-round picks, and a pick swap
KD - Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, (4) first-round picks, a 2028 pick swap
Harden - Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert, (4) first-round picks and (3) pick swaps
The real problem is the KAT trade, they gave so much to create the Nova Knicks, then to break it even before the season started. Even Brunson took less money to make it happen. Brunson lost 100M for no reason. The KAT trade didn't not make us better, actually worst... We just a decent team now, not a contender like we would of been with the Nova Knicks leverage + Randle...
100% correct . Brunson , Bridges , Donte and Hart would have been awesome with a healthy OG . Kat changed everything for the worse.
Facts Facts and Facts!!!
You have to give them time. They traded for 2 big players. Once Mitch and precious are back, things should look a lot better.
Can’t count on Mitch
Keep on relying on Mitch
Waiting for Mitch and Precious to come back… The Knicks are in trouble.
@@Tan_358 One of our worst weaknesses is rim protection. That's the one thing Mitch is good at.
The problem is the bench Thibbs is already running the starters into the ground
Bridges isn't the problem......Brunson not guarding pgs is the problem. Also we need a better offensive scheme so everyone eats....and lastly HAVE TO USE THE BENCH!!!!
The problem is now there are people that need to “eat” last year team had way better chemistry because there was not a need to eat
True, but Bridges has been underwhelming...
All we needed was a good center at that time without those trades.
Last year Marshall said he was better than Julius Randle😂😂😂
He is, he's better player, and they play the same amount d. It's an upgrade
@@Juan_riveraMikal never been all NBA or NBA all star,can't cut,can't call or create his own shot like Randle,stop doing drugs u clown 🤡
Julius over Mikal any day.
@@GalaticPanda no thank you
@@Juan_rivera Mikal was never an all NBA player or NBA all-star.mikl is soft and can't cut or create his own shot like Randle who can get the ball for himself unlike Mikal or Kat that brunson has to feed to witch is why brunson is struggling because he didn't have to feed Randle .u have to be on weed to say Mikal is a better player than Randle or a noob at basketball
Worst trade in team history no fault of KAT he's great - but also super bad fit! Randle and Divo were critical pieces that fit like a glove. Juju was perfect match with Brunson. Watch some Wolves games to see what we are missing. While arguably best ever shooting Big man and great rebounder too, KAT has no down hill game, can't facilitate, no ball handling skills, gets in foul trouble often, is weak defensively and doesn't draw double teams - that prevent Jalen from constantly being double teamed. Randle checked all those boxes! OG looks fat and slow after insane 212m 5 yr deal and MB costing FIVE 1st rd picks and new contract coming, two never were and never will be All Stars massively over paid for and under performing!!!! Randle's ball handling Point Forward skills took pressure off Brunson like he does for Wolves PGs now, where Divo again showing he's thoroughly competent combo guard with most diverse skills. Trade decimated bench once a great strength now pathetic one man Deuce show until Precious and Mitch back as Sims is as ineffective as ever and Hokporti, Kolek and rest of bench so not ready for any significant burn!!! Only when Precious and Mitch back will we have a fully functional 8 man rotation - but with pieces that fit poorly on both ends. We had a 55-6- win top 4 team. Record proves what they are now, a .500, 40-42 win team at best..
Knicks moved to the second spot mostly without Randle last season. Stop the hate on KAT. What do you think our record would be right now with no center until January and Precious’s injury, especially with Brunson’s slow start? Way too much pressure on KAT rather than our captain and it looks like most Knick fans are giving Bridges a pass. I see there’s more Nova Knick fans on than New York Knick fans. 🤦♂️
@ KAT is playing great his game is not the problem. Bridges is a problem. He is massively under performing on both ends of the court. Randle fit perfect with Jalen drawing double teams away from Jalen. I thought bridges would do that. He doesn’t. Divo was critical piece. Missing Mitch and Precious at same time now is brutal. Sims is strictly an emergency player and happy to see Hukporti get minutes. I have a lot of hopes in Cam Payne who look great last night. Kolec is an along time project. We massively overpaid for OG, MB and KAT too. We lost our identity as a defensive powerhouse with a great bench. We might score more points this year, but we are going to give up much more than last year.
The Knicks overpaid for the chemistry fit, pre Donte trade. Donte was a 🔑 ingredient for this Knicks team. But I’ll go a little bit further. OG refusing to take less like our All Star captain did, is the real square root. I’m taking all debates😤
In summary to my whole spiel, our identity is defense, turnovers, tempo of the game stealing etc , We have four great defenders going nuts every play for 22 seconds And then a center that lets a wide open shot go up making the other guys exhausted, demoralized and feeling like no matter what they do they just can't get stops... Crazy to say but watch when achua comes back, I bet we look like a completely different team... Scoring 30 points but being the reason the other team scored 60 points DOES NOT balance the scales And this is the exact same problem we had with Randall and tibbs is just too stubborn to make play-by-play on the fly adjustments... If something's not working he'll just ride with it anyways for 30 possessions
Every Nets fan tried to warn u ,but yall didn't want to listen 😂😂
THE NY KNICKS MANAGEMENT DESTROYED THE BEST TEAM IN THE NBA FOR 2 SOFT INEFFECTIVE PLAYERS.
There's nothing wrong with Bridges it's just Brunson don't like to pass n him n OG get way to much money just to watch Brunson do all the shooting the problem was we gave up too much for Kat. Randle Divo n a first round pick kat was not worth all that....
Bronson don't like to pass him and kat, kat sometimes make a screen for make pic and roll, but jb don't has see the game well
We could've got Kelly Oubre for nothing
Of course, the Knicks got fleeced. It's been the story of this franchise for over 50 years. It's the New York way, and it always ends up the same way. You would think they would have learned something during these ill-advised deals, but they simply refuse. You can bet your last dollar that after they climb out of this pit, they'll dig another one. It's the league's oldest joke.
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I knew how awesome this Knicks team was going to be after they got Bridges and was super excited to watch Brunson, Bridges, Donte and Hart with a healthy OG , Precious , Duece etc but as soon as I heard Kat was here and Donte was gone I knew instantly that was the death blow . I can't tell you how disgusted I am over that trade , I knew the team would never play the same again and I also said repeatedly that Brunson and Bridges WOULD NOT be as productive as they would have been before the Kat trade . I don't blame Bridges or Brunson for looking like a shell of their normal selves I blame the Knicks front office who decided to blow everything up.
Heck yeah I'd undo this and the KAT trade too while I'm at it, wouldn't even think it 2x.
I was one of the seemingly minority that wanted to run it back! We already had a championship team and should’ve been in the eastern conference championship. Why would we make so many changes? We went from being a contender and one of the funnest Knicks teams in history to watch to a pile of dogshit! We went from having one of the deepest bench’s in the league to not having one at all! Can we please stop the nova Knicks shit?? I get it but cmon what New Yorker wants to have their teams nickname have anything to do with Philly??? Gimme a fkn break plz!
Bottom line is, you cant teach heart, randle and divo are tougher than kat and bridges. Period.
No. This is not the trade that slowed our progress. It's the Devo , randle trade
100% correct .
ITS TOOO EARLY FOR THIS LOL BUT I FEEL YOU MARSHALL
Knicks fleeced themselves I would undo this trade in a Heartbeat
Umm 🤔 sorry to break the news but the majority of his trades he got fleeced the towns trade I feel Timberwolf’s won the OG trade I feel that the Raptors won most are just opening their eyes!
They made this trade to please Brunson. I never liked the trades they made this off season. They should've ran it back with everyone healthy and see from there. They treated Randle like he didn't do shit to get this organization where they are at now. They build this team around Brunson cause of his allstar season which he had no choice to be the man cause we had nothing else with Randle hurt.
Us nets fans saw how bad bridges is. Finessed
This will be judged as one of the worst trades of all time. The sudden availability of Giannis makes it much worse. It would be embarrassing if the Nets use the Knicks picks to acquire him. The criticism of the deal will increase as the year proceeds and will ultimately lead to the firing of Leon Rose.
LEON ROSE GOT RAPED HARD OF 6 FIRST ROUNDERS FOR MIKAL BRIDGES.
Yes, a keep Mikal, he is a great player, be patient, in the near future, we all see a awesome team
He is great but he's not playing anywhere close to his potential .
Biggest Fleece in Knicks history, outside of the Raptors trade in the 90s.
It's too soon to tell and for Tibbs he needs to play his rookies off the bench.
U dumb
Yeah mikal got to be better
I love tibbs but he got to go
Season is 10 percent over and its sad to say at this point we would be better off with Julius and Divo.
If we had those draft picks, we could make a legit run at Giannis.
The biggest reason why it was such an awful trade is the fact that this lead to us benching & then trading Donte. Divencenzo was the heart of the squad last yr, his defense was so underrated. We could have still gotten Towns for Randle & some of the 6 draft picks we traded away.. The Bridges trade may go down as the worst trade in Knick history
Silver lining is if his season doesn’t improve you can get his extension done for the low - then fire Thibbs and things look much better.
Send the coach to the front office 🧡💙🗽‼️
We could’ve offered the SAME EXACT package(pause) to the Bucks for Giannis and I guarantee you they would’ve at least considered it; thats how crazy of an offer that was; for Bridges????
Any Giannis trade would have included OG and Randle (plus said draft capital).
Lmfao my Nets got all that for a role player
crazy how we didn't want to give up 3 unprotected picks for allstar D.Mitchell but gave up 5 for role player Bridges. I like Bridges but I never understood the love fest fans had for him other than he played with Brunson in college. the team will come around but I'm still upset about that. Cavs is doing what many Knick fans predicted Bridges and Brunson will do together
Y..we all knew it was a fleece from the moment the trade happened
Undue? Absolutely! Yes!
CHANGE OF KNICKERS NEEDED FOR MARSHALL, THEY ARE SOAKED
Me personally we made one trade to many I never would of traded for Kat he's not a Tibbs guy anyways!
Made 2 trades to many,u do t do that after losing Ihart unless you're a bad organization
HELL NO
You're 🤡 is why
Man y’all don’t know basketball. I remember yall wanted bra so bad and still wanted Randle gone.. Now Eat all that shit yall been saying before!!
The Nets got 4 1st round picks for Durant but Leon gave up 5 for a guy who never made an all star team. Should have got Paul George
As a Celtics fan, I loved the KAT trade more 😂 At least there’s hope Bridges will be a 2 way player. Losing Hartenstein was massive. Love it. I predict Thibs will run 6 players into the ground this season.
Nonsense. This isn't Bridge's fault. Thibs can take a mid team and help it overachieve, but he doesn't know how to utilize a talented team and take it to it's potential. He expects stars to carry the load on offense then play defense every possession like they're defensive specialists.
Pacers were missing 3 rotation players and still went ten deep, we played 7 guys with FOUR ROTATION PLAYERS OUT in November, not the playoffs, but the 9th game....that's absurd. Turner and Haliburton rested in the third and came back fresh in the 4th and helped them out gun us. That's why the best offense in the league is blowing games in crunch time, doesn't take an NBA analyst to figure this out.
Fun fact...for the 8-1 Warriors, Kerr goes 13 deep....in the first quarter!!! This is the new NBA, a plug and play system that goes deep to help players run around and contest those deep shots while keeping the go to guys fresh to finish, but somebody needs to tell our overseer that.
Knicks FO should have waited until the trade deadline. Evaluate the chemistry and if help is needed then make trades. Mikal Bridges is the worst trade of Leon Rose era. Rose better go downstairs and talk to Mikal and get him up to speed. Mikal will never be an all star caliber player. Rose should be fired if Mikal Bridges continue down this path and Knicks do not make the ECF and NBA Finals. Chants of fire Rose and boo Bridges at MSG if they keep losing. Knicks were doing fine with IHart Randle and Divo. Just find back up 5 and don’t mess with the other moving parts until necessary. If Knicks don’t make it to ECF and beat Boston, Rose should be fired and Mikal traded. Now Knicks have no low post PF in Randle, terrible 3 pt shooting, chemistry does not work, KAT is slow and does not buy into playing defense and the bench looks like shit without size at the 4-5. Poor draft management by NY Knicks FO when they could have draft a Center in first round but instead they opt for 19 year old sitting on bench. Rose was doing good until Bridges trade which he got fleeced
Mikal can EASILY be an all star if the Knicks had a clue how to play him . If the Knicks don't go anywhere this year it's not Bridges or Brunsons fault it's the Kat trade that changed how the entire team interacts . Bridges was supposed to play along Divo as they were amazing together in the past . As soon as Divo got traded I said this will have a very negative impact on not just Brunson but Bridges as well and thats exactly what we're seeing . The KAT trade doomed this team.
@@herbcanter2114 Mikal was never an all star player that’s why my Nets traded him to y’all because we saw the huge offer that y’all were willing to give us so yea y’all got fleeced lol
I got a headache!!!! Didnt we stop doing that years ago?? Big names players?? Dam why didnt we run it back?? I thought tyings was different? Now were weak..even brusin is too small we see the bigger guard giving him problems..dam
OG can’t guard the whole team at once he needs some help on defense. Thibs is killing us.
I wanted Donovan Mitchell and I still want Donovan Mitchell. For what the Knicks gave up, I still want Donovan Mitchell.
We need more depth..
Well trade away KAT and get some depth
@ i don’t know what the front office is going to do.. however we need depth..
The front office got fleeced when they extended Tom Thibodeau.
What everyone failed to realize Brooklyn didn't have an elite pg. Bridges had the ball majority of the time so he was scoring 20+. Now he's on a team with a ball dominant guard so his touches are down. I'm not making excuses for his shooting now.
Yves, undo this trade...
It's not his fault. Dude is a bucket and they got him sitting in the corner 60% of the time he's on the floor
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I don’t know. I think it’s still too early yet after 10 games. They gave up #1 draft picks, not players for Mikal. Knicks haven’t had the best of luck with the draft anyway. What gets me is the idea of adding former Villanova wildcats for team chemistry and then give away Divo. I think the idea was to add an insurance wing if OG got hurt. But then the Knicks paid a premium to sign on OG anyway.
All that said I don’t envy Leon and company making tough decisions with salary cap restrictions.
So I think once Mitch gets back he will help as a rim protector and improve the defense some.
What still seems discouraging is the Knicks still have some holes to fill and they have little flexibility to do so at this point.
The problem is they don't have hartenstein randle and divinenzo they had a great team. Now no more thanks dolan
Pray for Knicks starters, Thibs is running these guys into the ground. That's why the suck in the forth quarters they have no energy left. Can't close out 3s or hit them with weak legs
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Imagine that we just traded away a guy who makes a lot of 3s and can guard the opposing point guard
Honestly if they get rid of Thibs this team would be doing better, him and Doc need each other. He's definitely gonna burn the team out, 2nd round exit or injury with his style of coaching. Anyone who leads with fear is going to fail. He's out of his league in this new era, his defensive schemes are seriously out dated. I'm cool with everything the Knicks have done the last move is to fire Thibs and hire Johnny Bryant or Mark Jackson
First Fire Leon Rose 2nd Fire Thibs. I have been preaching over and over again THAT LEON ROSE DOES NOT WALK ON WATER and he Botches a Trade and then makes another Trade to fix the Bad one he made
Ayo I understand the whole Ny Giants thing but no negative vibes when it comes to the Knicks
Just don’t see us winning a chip with thibbs being our coach
I think we should give at least 30 games with A ball dominant guard like Brunson it's something to get used to
The trade is fine..the only issue with bridges is that he's not engaged and i think it's because .Brunson is hogging the rock so it causes him to just stand at the 3pt line
Yes in a New York minute 🧡💙🗽‼️
He will get better but Y seeing how bad Mil is, would be nice to have those 1st back.
No, I wouldn't undo the trade for Mikal Bridges. I was one of the people pushing to get him and OG Anunoby. Why? I felt that the team would be great defensively with them. The issue is with Thibs. He seems to be unable to use some players well on offense consistently for some reason. Instead of turning Mikal Bridges into a simple jump shooter, Thibs could have him: drive to the rim more, cut to the rim for easy passes on the run, getting out in transition & catching passes from Josh Hart on fast breaks, doing pick n' rolls and shooting some mid-range shots.
Thibs has the team playing far too predictably which is why they couldn't beat Indiana & why they are turning the ball over so much. Teams are guessing where they're going to pass the ball & are intercepting it.
I think he needs to speed up the pace which would help Mikal Bridges score more easily. The players should also be moving more without the ball and getting out in transition. They are playing far too slow.
So wait...I'm not calling you out specifically because frankly I don't recall who said what...
However I distinctly recall the proponents of this deal, warning skeptics off of including any mention of these picks in their pushback. "it's what all that draft capitol is for" was the going meme.
I'm open to correction if my recall is faulty.
Yes. Yes. Yes. I said this the day of the trade. The Nets should be sued for ripping the Knicks off.
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The Knicks overpaid by about two first round picks but it was still worth it. Bridges has it a little tough being the fourth option.
He had that green light in BK and now he has to find his, off scraps and cutting to the basket.
The guy is absolutely worth 4 First Rounders, if he needs to be traded.
As I said...I think I would undo the trade for KAT instead because the bench took a hit. If we hadn't done the trade, Donte DiVincenzo & Josh Hart would be on the bench. Precious would be there too when he comes back along with Deuce. That would be a good bench. Now Thibs is playing basically 2 guys off the bench & running the starters into the ground. The starters sometimes look like they are trying to catch their breath & trying to avoid looking exhausted. And it's just November. Imagine what will be happening in February.
Jalen Brunson also took a hit with that trade. He doesn't look as dominant. Julius Randle & Donte DiVincenzo fit perfectly with Brunson, as I said before, and they drew defenders away allowing Jalen to shine. Before that trade, I had the Knicks going to the Finals and possibly giving Boston a run for their money. After the trade...I'm not so sure. And even if they do get there, I can't see them giving Boston a serious challenge. They lost to an Indiana team that was rocked with injuries. They made Mathurin look like Kobe or Jordan and Tyrese Haliburton look like Steve Nash. And Thibs simply doesn't adjust. He keeps doing the same thing. He won't expand the lineup by playing the bench more, won't speed up the pace & won't get the players to use their athleticism to get out in transition.
I'm beginning to wonder if the Knicks should keep him, honestly. If he doesn't change, the entire team is going to be in suits on the bench for the playoffs. He's playing the starters like it's the playoffs and the guys on the bench are basically watching the game just like the fans. Why get them and not play them? Some can hit 3s. Ariel Hukporti can defend, rebound & score at the rim.
Look at Golden State. Notice that they're playing their ENTIRE bench and are WINNING games. Players aren't going to get better without real game time experience. Why not give them 15 minutes and see what happens? If we can't use them, why get them? Why not get players that you can or want to play? I don't get it.
y yes undo 1 million percent---what could we get for 5 firsts now---they had no center at the time too
The coaching staff needs to get this team together on defense. There is no reason why they should be falling into drop coverage every play in a 3 point dominated league. Also Tibbs once again not playing his bench. Something needs to change.
Bridges was not a bad move. Kat was a bad trade. I will definitely cancel the Kat trade. Kat is a bad fit in the 5 out defense. He is too lazy.
Dude You Need To Relax!!! It's Only 9 Games Into The Season So Far. You Gotta Relax. You Reaching At This Point. The Knicks Always Start Off Slow. We Good🗽🔶️🔷️
Randell I was alright with that move. But the rest didn't make any sense.
Tibs need to listen and stop being stubborn 😡