The Science of Out of Body Experiences - Dr Susan Blackmore
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In an out-of-body experience (OBE), people feel as though they have left their physical body and can see the world from outside it. What are these experiences, and are they spiritual? As a 19 year-old psychology student, Susan Blackmore had an extraordinarily powerful OBE that lasted for hours and culminated in a mystical experience of transformation and oneness.
Her determination to understand what had happened led Susan to becoming a parapsychologist - a profession she later gave up, zen training, and decades of research into the nature of mind and consciousness. In this talk, Susan will explore the surprising science of out-of-body experiences, whether anything really leaves the body during an OBE, and their profound effect on our sense of self.
Sue Blackmore is a psychologist, lecturer and writer researching consciousness, memes, and anomalous experiences, and a Visiting Professor at the University of Plymouth. She is a TED lecturer, blogs for the Guardian, and often appears on radio and television. The Meme Machine (1999) has been translated into 16 other languages; more recent books include Conversations on Consciousness (2005), Zen and the Art of Consciousness (2011), Seeing Myself: The new science of out-of-body experiences (2017) and a textbook Consciousness: An Introduction (3rd Ed 2018).
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This video touches on the idea of the unanswered question being a useful tool. In the way when someone is inventing and a lot of their off scraps benefit us. Great mind.
My mom was a couple hours from death and semi-conscious in Michigan. My sister was in California with a really bad cough and ran out of cough medicine. My mom suddenly became aware and tried to sit up and said worriedly, "Susan needs cough syrup! Susan needs cough syrup!!" Please explain that.
what an incredible experience.
No one can explain that because it's just an unverified anecdote. It always is.
@@MacceeeI mean this shit can be really random. It's not usually reliably replicated in labs so that's why science doesn't like to touch it.
@@Iquey The times they've tested this scientifically they always come out empty handed with zero evidence. Science is not interested because most reasonable scientists realize this is a brain phenomena not worth researching.
@@Iquey Well because whenever they do "touch" it they never find the slightest piece of evidence. They only find these wild stories which is impossible to prove. Any claim that totally lacks evidence can be dismissed without evidence also.
We are souls, primarily, that have bodies. When enough people have similar Out of body experiences, or paranormal experiences, THAT is the evidence. it’s ok to not understand something or not be able to PROVE with scientific evidence. But, to say that until the science exists you’re not going to believe it, is ignorant, in my opinion.
Technically there is no body that a mind inhabits or leaves. Rather, the mind, which creates the appearance of body, world, universe, reality, changes its mental state (as a result of death, hallucinogens, meditation, NDE), which for the one who was perceiving embodiment, simply removes the apparent body, world, universe, reality from its perceptual awareness.
For those 'left behind', they still experience the apparent body, now apparently empty and decomposing (in the death state)
"Susan Blackmore Ph.D claimed to have done "ten years of intensive research in parapsychology" without finding any evidence of the paranormal. Parapsychologist Rick Berger checked and found that she had done "a series of hastily conducted, executed and reported studies that were primarily during a two-year period for her Ph.D dissertation between October 1976 and December 1978. She published 21 papers over this period, seven of which showed statistically significant results in favour of Psi. The odds of being successful in seven out of 21 attempts by chance are one in 20,000." Pg 236 from the book, "A Lawyer Presents The Evidence For The Afterlife" by Victor and Wendy Zammit.
Don't let what she is saying here discourage you into believing that it is all a physiological phenomena. The evidence in simply overwhelming that it is not. She was even a member of the SPR and still ignored the evidence their archives hold. That is astounding.
Yet she said she believes OBE is a spiritual experience.
There is no money is Spiritual, no grants or subsidy...
I think i had one last night. I felt so fuzzy and light, floating slowly around my room like a silk hankerchief blowing in the breeze but i really couldn't see anything vividly until I got closer to my face then I could just make out my features and took note of the position I was sleeping in. My room was only lit by my TV so I'm guessing thats why I couldn't see much. I felt like I was gonna wake back up soon and the fuzziness was fading then I woke up in the same position I saw myself in. I don't know what it is...but it sure feels weird. The feelings quite a nice feeling but scary not being able to see clearly around me. Such a crazy thing. I also remember trying to make it out my door but I couldn't get through
As a child and an adolescent I regularly (say two or three times a year) had an experience of complete separation from my surroundings which I would not quite describe as an 'out of body' experience, since there was no questions that I did not remain 'within' myself; perhaps the term 'out of world' experience would be better, since it was as if the world itself had slipped away, or to one side. I can best describe it by using the analogy of the world suddenly becoming like a film being played in a distant cinema, which I might almost by choice either view or completely disregard, although there was also a strong sense of the displacement of time, of being outside time. It was a truly terrifying experience as a child but - since I considered it shameful and unique to me (like my truly terrible fear of the dark, which may or may not be related) - I never told anyone about it, and thankfully the sensation, for want of a better word, would usually only last for a minute or two, and then I would return, with great relief, to 'normality'. I have recently become interested in this type of phenomena (hence my watching this fascinating presentation by Dr Blackmore) and believe the nearest thing to what I experienced is referred to as 'depersonalisation' or 'derealisation', although neither seems to exactly describe the experiences I underwent, nor can come anywhere near to capturing the intense, overwhelming terror of it.
Wow. Exactly what did you observe in this "out of world experience?"
No reason to have terror. The soul creating you wants you to realize that you are not physical, therefore you need to experience what leaving your body feels like. After all, we will all leave these bodies at what is called death to go on to other dimensions. We are multidimensional beings and electrical energy fields. We are not human. We all consist of 7 billion billion billion atoms, each one an electrical energy field. The souls creating us want to prepare us for further journeys. There are a lot of books on OBEs and NDEs.
If you have terror when you leave your body for the last time, you may create a reality for yourself that seems terrifying. We are image beings that create with our images. We literally create what happens before us and around us. It is better that you learn the type of being you really are right now. The book HANDS OF LIGHT written by the physicist Barbara Brennan is full of diagrams/pictures of what we look like outside of these bodies now. We are eternal holograms and eternal electrical energy fields.
yes I went trough it from a covert malign narcissist mum , my soul didn't enter my body as normal and I stayed in the in between , two worlds appart .
You should ask Angelo Dilullo about these experiences. His channel is Simply Always Awake
Susan Blackmore doesn't have the faintest idea what she's talking about. Teaching is a misery of amateurism and superficiality. If everything written about her under the video in the explanation of what the video is about is correct, then it is an Intergalactic tragedy for the human species. If such miserable appearances can teach at universities, write books and be translated into 16 languages, and appear on television and radio stations, there is no further than that, the human species has reached the bottom of the bottom.
in a recent NDE I read a lady ( Sharon M NDE 7925 ) was struck by lightning and then her house had different furniture in it that seemed to be from the past 1920s or 30s
Am so glad Dr Susan Blackmore is now a believer in OBE's in astral experiences. I recall in her earlier days that she was a hardened sceptic and then eventually an opened minded sceptic in her earlier days on the subject! Understandingly it's a volatile catch 22 with one's medical reputation under scrutiny with one's peers in the medical profession reserving a clinically conventional opinion in compliance with the faculties overarching view and stance on the subject matter. Independent studies from physician's on this matter whilst trying to maintain there peers at those respective universities within the academia preferably without the GMC breathing down a physician's back can be very awkward especially due to this highly sensitive subject matter! Most notably however whilst publishing a collection of theses and dissertations for the Medical Journal's on the subject in question with the aim of explaining away OBE's & astral experiences inparticularly in NDE cases without taken into account the undeniably growing evidence and reports in cases were a patient's conscious memory recall is fully recollecting information that they couldn't possibly know whilst during an operation for fear of reprisals from the medical board regards to accusations over irrational evaluation assessments! These cases simply cannot be dismissed or crudely explained away as there's an exterior level of consciousness that is ongoing whilst the patient is either flat-lineing after going into cardiac arrest etc However despite this, this is an area that falls from the clinical arena to arguably that of the metaphysical realm which is a level of alternative science's that sadly still remains limited within the faculties understanding despite it being deemed as very much taboo! It's only appropriate in respect of all those concerned that this remains a delicate area of inquiry and clinical analysis and should be delicately treated as such I believe! Just because a new science of the metaphysical realm cannot be measured as the exact science does not satisfy either the views and opinions of the Medical board, General Medical Council, Nursing and Midwifery Council or those relevant universities does not mean that this phenomena should not be harshly dismissed as hallucinationary, drug induced, oxygen deprivation in the brain etc
You're not "leaving" the body in an OBE as there's no body to begin with. Rather you are changing a mind state that removes the appearance of a body.
The localized awareness of being in your body.
I think so too, I have been observing my thoughts, feelings, etc for 2 years continuously without break. And I think there's an absolute stillness out which the individual self pops out and experiences itself as a body
And how does the illusion of awareness can cause the placeboeffect? Or spontanuos healings etc? No, there is something wrong in her theory. I think, it is not so easy and we do not know the correct answers yet
Where does she say that awareness is an illusion? Its the one thing that is not an illusion. The stories that our consciousness tell us are illusions, such as the story that our spirit leaves the body during an OBE, which it doesnt. Awareness itself is not an illusion.
@@marionow6227 what if the illusion isn't that you left, but that you had corporeal senses?
In her experience she was constantly communicating through her body, translating every experience to essentially body senses. The brain will fill in missing words, letters etc. So it doesn't mean that you're not experiencing a word, but the details of that word, are filled in.
If you experience a roof with your eyes closed, you'd imagine an idea of what that roof looks like. It'd probably be wrong. But this wouldn't mean you weren't taken to a roof blindfolded let's say.
Out of body saved my life ,I went up into the night sky and looked down . Ahead of me was a blind bend on the road .A broken down car doors open .I was doing 100mph motorcycle,I'd have been doing 70 round the bend ? No room for manoeuvre.Of course I was soon back down slowing .Yes it was real .
Amazing! Was that your first OBE? I hope you don't ride as fast now.
What a lovely unverified non-evidential anecdote. Thanks for sharing!
@@MacceeeOk but no reason to mock. I think these should be investigated more. Science doesn't pay enough attention to this.
It is really curious that people have an experience, and believe their brain has nothing to do with that experience. How would you know if you were separate from self? If you are having that experience?
in the same way that you interact with the world and dont believe your brain has anything to do with it. If it wasn't for neuroscience we wouldn't know the world we're interactin with is only a representation in our own minds, that is to say, it has a independent physical existence but you're interacting only with representational existence of it via your own senses. OBE feels as real as the real world, some people claim it feels even more real, and my guess is that it probably has something to do with an altered state of consciousness that induces those type of feelings, similar to mystical experiences. It isn't random when all mystical traditions etc. describe a "fundamental reality", a "reality more real", that is obtained in those very states, its an illusion in a certain way, but for the people having the experience its not
as soon as she likened her drug induced sleep deprived hallucination to an obe i knew where this was going, woman you clearly have no clue what an obe is.
Very strange presentation. . She tells this wild story, with a lot of wild noises and little factual data...and then asks people in the audience : ' do you think i left the body ?' .
@@spiritualanarchist8162 i believe her experience is what i call a obe dream.. i have those often, i know the difference they usually happen in deep sleep and when i wake i know it was a dream,an actual obe you're often fully aware not asleep only the body is asleep and the physical sensations certainly do not include going through a trippy tunnel or any other hallucinogenic images
@@lanpcs That's what i found a bit deceptive about her approach. If she told the story as being a drug induced trip, an sentient dream, or whatever combination , then it's clear from the start. However she claims to experience this two hour coming & going' OBE, and then asks the audience if they think 'if it was real' .I had all kinds of experiences on LSD when i was young, I have sentient dreams, but i also had a few mini-OBEs ( 5 centimeter above my head) and a short but powerful NDE during an accident . They wee all very different experiences. So just because she had one type of experience , doesn't make every experience other people have irrelevant.
@@spiritualanarchist8162 i only had 1 full obe and verified what i saw when out of body and a number of times partial obes when practicing conscious mind awake body asleep and many dreams of obe that felt kind of real until i woke up. i reckon she's bitter about not being able to have experiences that others can so she spends her life trying to debunk everything. she should take a look at some of bruce greysons work on nde's
She demonstrates the same arrogance/ignorance factor that Neil Degrasse Tyson does. "It cannot be, therefore it isn't", despite mounting evidence to support the factors relevant to OBE and NDE.
I don't differentiate "the place from which god speaks to us" and "perfectly natural brain phenomenon". they are two ways to describe the same occurrence. but I'm not a scientist, nor am I religious.
Hmmm, how does one measure consciousness going to a different vibrational level and leaving the body?
I’m thinking it must be evidential accounts, such as Pam Reynolds, Robert Monroe, Jurgen Ziewe and one can analyze the data from there and form a pattern. Our primary experience of life is consciousness, If you turn this the other way round, how does one measure a material world outside of one’s consciousness? It cannot be done. Science and measurement only operates because of consciousness. The many non local subjective evidential accounts of obe’s suggests that consciousness is not located in the brain but is everywhere.
You can't measure consciousness.
@@royedwards51 in that case, how do you know it is produced by the brain?
Why would experiencing a different vibrational level mean that the consciousness is leaving the body?
Every few months, a scientist will trundle along, having found a way to recreate a bad imitation of certain aspects of NDEs in some ghetto method, usually involving duct tape, transcranial magnetic stimulation or cortical electrostimulation, oxygen deprivation and various drugs, and then claim to have found a perfectly natural explanation for the NDE. It's getting stale.
In this case, the issue seems to lie with equating the NDE and OBE. Equating the two is made somewhat easier in that, frustratingly, there appears to exist a doublet "faux" OBE type, which is perfectly like an OBE, can be triggered by cortical electrostimulation, but even complex arrangements of mirrors and lenses, but those who have it return with just confabulated bullshit information they claim to have seen while outside their body. Meanwhile, there is the NDE out-of-body experience, where there is overwhelming evidence that it returns veridical information that cannot have been gained by sensory perception. However, many scientists will then simply ignore that evidence, since, you know, there is the faux experience they can equate it to, and the physicalist paradigm doesn't allow the information to be veridical, and the evidence was not obtained in a "controlled" fashion, but is anecdotal.
I do feel somewhat trolled by nature that OBE's exist in two types, "the first as a tragedy, the second as a farce", so to speak. But scientists are perfectly fine to conclude that, according to scientific standards, it cannot be concluded that NDEs are "real". We can, of course, assess for ourselves whether the formal system of science is the one we should follow here in assessing whether _we_ should believe it or not, or whether we might conclude that the issues science has with proving the NDE are formal - insufficient controlled experimentation, i.e. inability to weigh the evidence because there _is_ no admissable evidence, leading to a paradigmatic physicalist default answer. I personally concluded that, because of its high standards for confirming a hypothesis, science is not the correct tool here in guiding my preliminary belief in the truth or falsity of the hypothesis, any more than it can confirm the hypothesis that I will find a fork in my kitchen - there is no scientifically admissabe evidence of said fork, but I can go with the sub-scientific evidence of personal perception and memory.
The more interesting observation, in my opinion, is that most scientists seem to correlate their own beliefs with the output of the scientific method. I've yet to see a scientist explicating that the scientific method tells us something is not true, whereas their personal belief is that it indeed is true. That would not be at all an absurd proposition, as the inability of science to demonstrate something as true according to very high standards, and the axiom that statements are not true until there is some evidence for it, means that science will very often conclude that something is false, even if it is not demonstrably false either, and evidence may meet my personal standards of belief, even if it falls short of scientific evidence because no control group/particle detector/whatever was present at the moment.
Sometimes scientists do tenaciously stick to a certain hypothesis for which evidence fails to show up in experimentation, devising ever new experiments that might demonstrate it. Scientists who accept that something fails to be demonstrably true, but passively accept it while maintaining their own belief distinct from the output of the scientific process seem to be rare, however.
no...
Whenever they claim they could replicate an NDE it’s not even close to the real deal. It’s not even close to single aspects. And they obviously love to ignore all the evidence. And on top they ignore the work of pioneer neurologists like Wilder Penfield. It seems like if you want to be a scientist you have to ignore everything that doesn’t fit the materialistic paradigm. That’s what they do with terminal lucidity, shared death experiences, deathbed visions, mediumship …. People with severe hydrocephalus (with like 5% brain mass at best) live a normal life. There are even cases where people that got only a brainstem lead a perfectly normal life. So…I want to see a naturalistic/materialistic explanation for that.
Meanwhile most scientists obviously have no problem to believe in macroevolution which was never proven or witnessed in any way. And they were never able to replicate it. Seems like theories don’t have to be proven if they fit materialistic paradigm.
To the video: Blackmoore wrote a whole book about her naturalistic explanation of NDEs. It’s actually one of the better naturalistic theories to explain them. But it’s still full of flaws. She still comes up with the old „oh yeah the people were awake during their surgery and cardiac arrest and they heard/saw/whatever a lot and they made the rest up“. And her theory includes that the whole universe and everyone of us is an illusion anyway. An illusion that is produced by the brain ofc. Well…
@Vlasko60 Sure dude. Seems like you seriously spend like 15 mins on this topic. A lot of nice claims you got there. Any proof? Where is the proof that the materialistic paradigm is correct? Any proof that consciousness is produced in the brain? Did you even read Blackmoores book? And if you are honest your "real scientists" are not at all skeptical of their own believes. They believe in the purely materialistic dogma and that's it. And why do you call it "magical"? Are you stupid?
I actually spend a lot of time on this topic. Cause i was and still am skeptic. But the dualist explanation is just better. That's just the way it is ;)
There is definitly a lot of evidence that is widely ignored. Do you know the pioneer work of Wilder Penfield (i know you don't). So i will just ask: Why where neurosurgeons never able to produce a thought by inducing electricity to the brain? You get physical responses. Maybe a brief picture from a memory. But they never produced a thought? So...why can`'t they? And you can make a person move his arm by inducing electricity on the brain. But the person knows what it was not his will to do that. So you can make the arm move but you can not manipulate the free will obviously. And why are there no seizures where you can't stop doing math? If all the intellect comes from the brain there should be seizures like that. There are none. Well...look it up yourself. Theres a summary of Penfields work issued by the princeton university.
Just to mention: A lot of the pioneer neurologists became dualists after decades of research.
A lot of the perceptions people had during surgery and even during surgery + cardiac arrest could be verified to be true. A recent study found that 92% of the perceptions were confirmed to be absolutely correct by independent sources. 6% were mostly correct with minor mistakes. Only 1% was wrong.
People who got a cardiac arrest and an NDE during their surgery were asked to describe their resuscitation. None of them made a mistake. People who also got a cardiac arrest and didn't have an NDE were asked to imagine how their resuscitation went on. 80% of them made major mistakes. So...how do you explain that?
Or do you think (like Blackmoore does) its scientific to just assume that all these people were awake during surgery and cardiac arrest and they heard what was going on? Even if that was true...still a long way to go to accurately describe a resuscitation only by hearing it ;) It's weird that you obviously call "reading about something and making assumptions" scientific.
Well...i guess since you are an "intellectual" you got some great answers to how terminal lucidity works. Or how people with severe hydrocephalus lead a normal life.
I am waiting for your explanations. Oh, and don't forget the proof for your materialistic dogma ;)
@Vlasko60 Everything that is a 100% proof. Not just a theory or an assumption or anything. Just go for it and don't waste time. But i guess we both know that there is no proof. After all it's just a theory. Even Blackmoore admits that. But i am waiting. Hurry up please and stop asking dumbass questions. But don't forget the explanations for termincal lucidity and the hydrocephalus stuff.
@Vlasko60 Yeah...and thats what i thought. No proof of anything. But a true believer of the materialistic dogma. Well, i guess it's ok if that is your kind of religion.
Btw: Most scientists would actually admit that theres no proof but that they still believe that materialism is correct. Promissary materialism.
Well, one day we will find out anyway. Have fun.
Real real. Thank you for your experiences.
Of course there are brain areas and different brain functions for consciousness. The Q to me is, can this actually prove that our brain creates consciousness or is it receiving it. To say things like „if we stimulate this area in the brain people will have an OOBE and this shows that it’s just an Halluzination“ could be false from this perspective. It’s like looking at a computer and its chipset to prove that the internet is created within the individual pc.
I think it’s more complicated. For consciousness there has to be a brain for sure, nothing else could create or receive a consciousness in this physical space/reality. I think / believe that we know nothing at all. We may getting better into understand the receiver but we can never actually measure outside the box with tools from within the box.
What about for example the 40 years long observation and studies of NDEs from Van Lommel for example, there are things we can’t actually dismiss as Halluzinationen or can we ? Maybe the only truth is that we know nothing , and the things we believe in will become our reality no matter if they are „right“ or „wrong“ if there is such thing.
Yes, Pim Van Lommel, a cardiologist, did extensive research on this.
Interesting things, I wonder what she would think about a theory I've had for a while, where "spiritual experiences" if real, based on science and reading of them as reported, that I have long believed there are no corporeal senses.
So you cannot see or hear anything, and that any version of literal "vision" is a post hoc attempt to corporealizd unfamiliar experience.
Plants communicate in ways we can't understand, if you could experience plant communication temporarily, and came back to your body, you'd try to make sense of the experience by what you "heard", despite never hearing anything.
Brilliant Theory! Excellent, worthy of discussion, definitely!
Well this is precisely why, when I go into the astral and I “speak” to someone who would normally “speak” another language, (like when I’ve gone to China or Italy in my OBE) I completely understand them in my own language. I do feel (and I think many like William buhlman have said) that our consciousness or who we are has no physical senses, we communicate in an entirely different way in the astral which I think is fascinating! It’s crazy that two years ago I never even heard of the phrase astral projection, and because of a spontaneous out of body experience, my life is now completely changed and I’m sitting here enjoying reading all of these awesome perspectives. Never would’ve been doing this had this not occurred. Still boggles my mind and probably will until my body dies!
Lots of people have already done all that hard work at giving evidence and 'proving' it. The literature and the experiments are already out there in abundance. Susan is brave for giving her truth but a pity she is not so much identified with the extraordinary message of the OBE's and how this very 'real' phenomenon can be utilised on an extremely empowering level. We are dealing with a subjective experience that cannot be measured objectively without accepting the subjective account, for which there is plenty. Would love it if she had conversations with scientists such as Dr Dean Radin or Tom Campbell or OBE experiencers Jurgen Ziewe or Bill Buhlman. (I agree that OBE is a poor term because it is not really explaining what is happening - it's a lay persons term for ease of understanding but not really explaining it well). Anyway, thank you Susan, that was very interesting.
She is one of the world's leading Parapsychologists,she has reviewed all the Research..it doesnt prove we have a Soul or life after Death ..it just shows the Brain is incredibly complex!
@@rationalsceptic7634 It doesn't prove it no, it strongly suggests it though. She is no longer in this field and has admitted she isn't up to date with the research. Therefore I think taking her word as gospel is far less sensible than going and looking at the research oneself. Have you had a chance to do so? I would strongly recommend resources like those offered from the University of Virginia Division of Perceptual Studies to begin with. I would also say that to take one's word without looking oneself is acting against your RUclips username. I dare say she is still knowledgeable on the subject, but her conclusions such as the effect of the temporal parietal junction/disorders of it, and of anoxia causing tunnel experiences in NDE (which I believe she still promotes) have been refuted and shown incapable to explain the phenomena.
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Of course she is in the Field,she holds a PhD in Parapsychology....she has checked all the Papers...there is no evidence for Souls Freewill,God,magic or the supernatural!
@@rationalsceptic7634 Right, well last I heard of her she told that she isn't in the field anymore and isn't up to date with the research. Why do you take her interpretation of all the papers over the many others who have done the same but come to the opposite conclusion to you that there is indeed evidence for survival of consciousness/"paranormal" features (if you want to use the word paranormal). Have you actually looked at any other perspectives, or do you just listen to those who have a skeptical viewpoint? I do both myself because I actually am a Rational Sceptic. I have also spoken to many of the people who have actually conducted the research as well as those who have opposed it. I don't content myself with youtube videos from those who are coming at these phenomena with presuppositions of impossibility. The fact that you say there is definitively no evidence for anything at all, rather than "I haven't found any evidence as of yet" or something similar tells me you are neither rational, nor a sceptic, but likely someone who considers themselves knowledgeable in a field because they've seen a couple of videos from the perspectives of people who agree with you.
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I take her seriously because she went to Oxford in 1970 as a Believer,over 50 years of research taught her that claims of NDE and the supernatural are based on cognitive bias and flawed experimentation!
Blackmore is a materialist. She says "...the self is a construction of the brain... a story...a representation of a self that doesn't really exist." In the end, after you go through all the arguments and discussions, there is no scientific proof that matter is all that exists. All her denial of the individual self and her couching of such materialism in science is just philosophy masquerading as science. Science cannot prove materialism anymore than it can prove the opposite. Physical science will never "solve" the "hard problem" of consciousness, because consciousness exists but is fundamentally immaterial. But is matter fundamentally material? Or do immaterial forces underlie matter at all points?
Consider: Conscious reasoning cannot be explained by physical causality, because the connections between reasons are rational connections, not causal connections. If you claim that rational connections have hidden causes, you then undermine your own rational arguments. Your arguments then no longer have any justification for being called true over the opposite arguments. Instead, your arguments must on your own assumptions be caused by hidden factors, not by rational factors. But in fact, reasoning allows all of us the direct experience of moving toward truth and discovering error, and it is such direct experiences of reason, not hidden causes, that determine reasoning and permit the uncovering of error. Blackmore doesn't succeed in solving the "hard problem" by pretending consciousness is not what it seems to be: a fundamentally immaterial phenomenon. The problem must be solved in another direction. Is matter fundamentally material? Or is it derivative of something prior to matter? If there is something prior to matter, that something by definition must be non-material. Can mind-matter dualism -- the "hard problem" of consciousness -- be solved in that direction? Matter seems to be derivative of a state prior to matter (Big Bang). Coleridge suggested that matter was coagulated mind or coagulated spirit.
You can not prove a negative. Unless you can prove that self appears outside of the material - it's a "Russell's teapot"
The real Q is not how to turn an OBE into a spiritual experience, because few have a true OBE. ( ie not a living dream). It’s how all people can have a spiritual experience and learn from it.
I had an OBE once that felt hyper real, however, the vividness of an experience doesn’t make it real. Until I see evidence, I lean towards it being in the brain.
Thanks for sharing. As a scientist I understand her point, but at least I see some gaps in this presentation. She puts NDE and OBE under the same umbrella, with OBE the brain is alive, in many cases with the NDE the there is no brain activity? The arguments about "there is nothing outside" are just too simplified as the nonscientific stories "there is something outside". A different perspective can be understood by this debate: ruclips.net/video/4RGizqsLumo/видео.html
Those are the most important questions for me, I would love to hear more debates in the scientific fields.
What field are you in?
No. OBE is just one type of NDE.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 NDE is one type of OBE.
There is a big difference between those who talk or lecture about it those who know it.Look up Jurgen Ziewe.
I honestly think it’s our soul leaving our body’s i think our brain is the computer that sends the signal to our body’s but our souls are the passengers
I find it so sad that everyone laughed as Susan ridiculed the idea of aliens, you'd think that out of most people, they would be more open minded. I'd have thought that having had their own experiences (out of body) ridiculed, they might be more sensitive and respectful to the unusual experiences of others.
I haven`t read any of her books, but personally I don`t put too much emphasis on experiments with drugs. Scientific work is forced to relate to the physical in some way, the body and the world. For what is outside the directly observed interactions in this, I don`t think main stream science ever will do anything but explain it away.
@@turtlefromthenorth As a 72 y.o philosopher of mind, I have to agree that many die-hard physicalists are a bit too ready to use ridicule as a tool to support their chosen position, and Dennett is certainly no exception. I studied under Dennett in the 90s, at Tufts, and I have spoken with Blackmore by email, about my own OBE. As soon as it emerged that I was not falling into the physicalists' position I lost contact with her. The same with Chalmers, and Dennett just falls back on the defence line that our 'seeming' consciousness is not real.
Blackmore's laboratory experiments do not replicate a genuine OBE.
@@Brian.001 I lean towards the notion there is a part of our mind that exceeds the individual. Events unfold in a planned way, but with surprises and twists. I have been close to death, but not as far gone as the classic NDE or OBE. It is in the struggle to survive and pick yourself up again we might see things.There are dreams and visions we get I feel no need to explain away either. These are interesting subjects and I would argue that these experiences are real. Maybe Blackmore is a bit stuck in her methods and train of thought?
@@turtlefromthenorth Yes, although initially I was surprised that she was able to dismiss her own OBEs in deference to science. An OBE is a vivid, clear-cut experience of moving out of the body. I floated across the room and onto the carpet.
Having practiced self hypnosis under the guidance of a professional therapist I have had singular experiences of astral projection. Also I have had the separate somewhat common ability to inject myself successfully into an active dream state with the command to “look at my hands”. The astral aspect became so common and bothersome I would simply take off flying even when I was not aware of opting to do so during self-guided self hypnosis exercises. Unlike this lecturer I was never certain of what particular state of existence I was in during these events.
I do believe she is correct that there are states when a person thinks they are awake but are, in fact still asleep. Yet they are feeling circumstances which are totally different than usual. I had once written a formal letter of forgiveness to my mother actively involving a therapist and tore the letter up and sent it away into the air in a balloon. Later I had an experience at night while believing I was awake where Mother was seen standing against the wall of my bedroom holding the letter and smiling. 🤷♀️. Was I still asleep; I am not certain.
The total number of minds in the universe is one.
Yep
Interesting lecture. If only the lecturer could have had some awareness of the noise that all of their movement was making caused in the sound. It was very distracting and detracting from the content of what they were saying.
I am just half-way through the video and I remembered an incident that happened to me in secondary school. I was sitting in the clasroom relaxed, even bored during one of the lessons and suddenly i got a feeling that my left leg lost the support of the floor and went right down through it. Just like the floor dissapeared under my foot. Immediately i jerked the whole leg up in sort of reflex response to unprediced and unplanned event involving my limb. As soon as my body acted out the "recovery" motion, my leg went up from it's physical position hitting very loudly an underneath of the dest i was sitting at. As soon as i hit the table i got back a sense of a real spatial position of my leg. Lots of noise and embarrassment in the process.
So it was pretty analogical to a feeling of falling backwards and jumping up in the bed just before falling asleep in a sense.
Does someone know what exactly has happened to me?
Great lecture!
If you are completely ignorant to objective facts that demonstrate the opposite of what she proclaims.
Whats the term you use around 14:45 ish? "Internal Hercositity" or something? I wanted to look more up but I just cannot figure out the spelling.
"Internal autoscopy". Perhaps a little mispronunciation there.
I'm agnostic, but I'm offended nonetheless by "nasty meme tricks" referring the theistic religions. Stopped there. I'm dismayed at how self righteous a purportedly spiritual person can be.
All psychologists are self- righteous. It's a failing of the discipline. It's a part of the discipline's desperation to be considered a true science and not a social science, humanity or art.
She was particularly referring to Hell memes being used by religions to convert and control populations through fear. You don't agree that's "nasty" ? Ok.
What? We already know "How" light is turned into the colors and shapes we se, we already understand that mechanism as a species.
People are just too dumb and/ or lazy to actually learn the true cause and seek out the scientific explanation of events that happened to them.
I'm not saying your "out of body" experience is not real to You.
What i am saying, is that it is not necessarily something that have to mean anything more than you having that experience.
Demanding that the world acknowledge the outlier experience as empirical truth is a bit much to ask though.
What an ego trip🥴🥴🥴🥴
Yes, that’s what I thought, this woman is all about bolstering her own ego.
I bet she likes smelling her own farts lol
Fantastic presentation!! I disagree with the statement or implication that NDE components are associated with some form of brain activity as NDE's w/ OBE often happen while people are as close to death as possible. My personal opinion is that the NDE w/ OBE cases I have heard about are from people who literally died but had enough warmth left in their body to be revived. Fascinating subject material nonetheless; thank you for sharing!
Did you need lots of imagination to be able to get there??? I seem to be very limited in my dreams and quite lack of photographic memory.
I was laughing my ass off when you were talking about zack and Irina hahahaha please do part two!
"I floated around to certain places so I could verify them the next day"...? Never got back to that one...
shes in for the shock of her life
what you are saying is all nonsense, even the analogy between lsd and OBE ... I don't even know where to start ... then the tunnel is a relatively rare case, me and the dozens and dozens of people I know who do OBE never seen anything like it..
The field of vision is hard to argue for my own experience unless my field of vision has turned superhero.
Had to stop listening because the noise of the mic was too irritating 😠. Shame.
I would like to know what she thinks about remote viewing
Até os 7 anos de idade à criança ainda está se encaixando no novo corpo e é natural que se recorde nitidamente de vários fatos em detalhes das suas últimas existências .
Até os 1O de idade costuma passar (ou não) essas lembranças .
Fica tudo gravado e bem arquivado no PERISPIRITO, arquivo,onde estão armazenados todas às informações sobre suas encarnações anteriores, cada detalhe,cada por menor,minuciosamente guardado e bem arquivado no arquivo do espírito.
Nada se perde.
Depois de adultos, temos rápidos flashes na memória do espírito.
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she says there's nothing leaving the body, but then what's that that is looking down to its own body?
did I miss something...?
We can 'look' at things in dreams, hallucinations, or when we're deprived of oxygen. What's your point?
@@estebansteverincon7117 nah he's saying that even when the patients are out of oxygen say, they are unconscious, I.e. their eyes are shut and they haven't seen anything, then how do they float out of body and see themselves, and accurately describe how the doctors looked and what they did and the details of the room.... surely they couldn't see with their ears 😳
@@estebansteverincon7117 Dreams are nothing if you dream you will be aware that you are dreaming and you haven't experienced how it feels like
@@01assassinscreed63 If you're dream that your floating over your body, does that make the floating real? Otherwise, please demonstrate evidence that someone actually 'floated' over their own body.
@@estebansteverincon7117 It's not a dream it's actually real not a dream and we are consiusus in OBE and it's not a dream do your research don't tell your ignorant information and if it was we will be full aware that we are dreaming and we will not fell we are consiusus
Pretty easy so solve this debate, you cant have an experience without your brain it's very simple.
Time does not exist for you when you are under anesthesia but it does for every one else.
How do i know? I have been under anesthesia.
I was literally awake at Point A and X amount of hours later I am awake at Point B and the time in between does not exist on any level in my mind.
It was literally like blinking and all those hours passed in an instant.
Not like when we sleep, where we do have a sense of time passing when we wake up.
No.
Consciousness does not exist if our brain is dead.
Hmm years of research in OOBE and NDE would discount your belief system. But isn't that what we are talking about at the end of the day? Science is narrative, all is narrative. The cosmos is made of story. Good luck to you in your nihilistic tail spin.
@@forestpeoplemushrooms5267 Research made on any given topic doesn't mean there is concrete scientific facts about it.
Science need to be disputed, checked and counter tested by multiple sources for it to have any validity in the realm of science.
If you think science is narrative then you have completely missed the mark on what science is.
It's not nihilistic sticking to reality and science based facts.
Like the fact that we cannot exist without our brain.
Consciousness is dead when our brain is dead, ergo it doesn't exists outside our body, it's all hallucinations no matter how real the experience might feel for a particular individual.
You keep eating them mushrooms, they seem to make good work on your brain.
Have a nice day.
@@forestpeoplemushrooms5267 there hasn’t been one single shred of evidence. Sam Parnia tried to prove the existence of a consciousness out of our body, and failed miserably
@@tarcisiasiniscalchi6641 Yeah but what about people who had OBE’s and accurately described their surroundings? If there shouldn’t be consciousness outside the brain then how do you explain something like this?
She is one of the world's leading Parapsychologists,she has reviewed all the Research..it doesnt prove we have a Soul or life after Death ..it just shows the Brain is incredibly complex!
She is not , I'm sorry, she is very very biased in her research and all her arguements have been replied to by proper NDE Researchers, she judges all OBE'S by her drug induced hallucination, so its useless to listen to only her
@@abhinavrao8698
Wrong,she has read all those Papers!
There is no evidence for Souls or life after Death...this woman is an Oxford Educated..one of the first people to gain a PhD in Parapsychology!
The Brain creates illusions when in distress or dying:
ruclips.net/video/EFNIBXs4QIw/видео.html
@@rationalsceptic7634 if you search atheist podcasts then you'll get answers that there is no afterlife, you call yourself a "sceptic" and refuse to take a look at the other arguements to this, thats super cynical, moreover all her arguements as well as the ones in the podcast have been answered to in this document by Bruce Greyson who has studied NDE'S much longer than her
www.researchgate.net/publication/283761217_Western_Scientific_Approaches_to_Near-Death_Experiences
Only through ones own direct experiential learning does one really ‘know’ anything. When one knows, one knows.
Atheism and Religion are mere beliefs, unless one has a direct experience. Have a few high dose LSD experiences and then we can talk about what you think you know.
@@RhythmJunkie
Atheism is just an intellectual position,not a Faith System..if God denotes nothing,why believe!
The tiny number of comments and views demonstrate that people WANT to believe... Hence videos about the truth aren't as popular as videos based on wishful thinking
its not called wishful thinking, institutes like the monroe institute have been setup to show that obe's are not fake and not a hallucination of the brain, pls do some research on those stuff before coming here and commenting wrong things!
@King Icee i think they are very real
Comments like yours also demonstrates people's preference to take the word of somebody else's research over actually reading the literature and speaking with researchers who performed the research itself to learn more about both sides to come to an ACTUALLY rational conclusion. Believe it or not, I'm afraid the consensus of those who study these things seems to be against you.
@@SeekingI are you talking to me?
@@abhinavrao8698 Nope, @bluegtturbo
She is really full of herself and it doesn't smell good...
What kind of comment is this? Dont stand that women have a voice?
@@heidifarstadkvalheim4952 It is what it is whether you like it or not...She is full of herself, not to say something else...and it has more to do with her personality than her gender by the way.
Love the way she ignores the evidence and cherry picking. Can’t stand the woman she just comes over as so arrogant.
Yes, some "cherry picking" is necessary to stay on the track she chose. If you don't like cherries, there may be another orchard.
Arrogant and egoistic
And she obviously doesn’t care to verify the evidence herself. She just asserts that the evidence that all the other NDE researchers found is wrong. She just assumes the NDEers were awake during their surgery/cardiac arrest. Easy way to get rid of all the evidence. But it’s also really stupid.
While it might true that majority of Obe are internal, there are far too many edge cases that cannot be ignored. She is definitely cherry pick in regard to the tunnel. She should have atleast be honest about what she cannot explain such as life review, seeing dead relatives that nde.
What evidence? What does it matter how you feel about her personality in this quest for truth? Is that how you determine truth or falsehood, by whether you like someone’s personality or not?
I had an out of body experience so I quit smoking that crap.
Lady, saying having psychedelic experience by taking hallucinogens is an oxymoron. Stop using the word hallucinogen please, you are a scientist ;)
Up to 52:12 I did myself :) ... have no idea what she is talking about! Full of cut and paste , surveys, & statistics ! There are too many knowledgeable speakers as the good lady in here in RUclips, but they make it by far digestible for layman like me :)
Search to William Buhlman. The best!
Oh Gawd, Susan Shatmore. She's living proof there is an afterlife - hell.
We are millenary spirits.
In new edition.
Essa não é a primeira vez que estamos aqui.
Ja vivemos muitas vidas com muitas pessoas diferentes da nossa atual família.
Voltamos em novos corpos carnais para continuar nossa jornada evolutiva na terra.
O aprendizado nunca termina.
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She is so tolerant of religion!
Wow she went from believing she was right before she did all her data gathering (she did no experiments....Experiments require you to understand the variables and to have a disprovable hypothesis) soooo since we know she didn't and don't understand the variables it's impossible for her to format a hypothesis.... So, she went from that to believing that she is right; that all these experiences come from the brain..... I can come out of my body at will...... Yes you normally can not read when you come out of your body..... You're not using your eyes to see, so it's a different process to get the info......
Duh 🙄 if she has done so many experiments, with OBE, then she should know this..... Also there is an issue with the space itself being reactive to your thoughts....... Actually coming out of your body, has a lot to do, with dark matter and dark energy...... But I guess with all her experiments; she never figured that out......
I have a suggestion.... Start with I don't know..... If you start from that space; you have room to discover the truth. If you are operating from the view, that you already know; well your going to discover what you think to be true......except it is not...... Sorry but that process they discovered is the mechanisms, that your body uses for when you are conscious and in the body..... It's how we formulate our waking experiences not the OBE......
Such a small realization, but it changes all her assumptions. Sorry people this woman is not an expert in OBE..
Maybe she should get training in actually learning how to consciously do it.....
Anything else is second hand info at best.....
Um... okay.
@@AC_Bikes_400 yeah 👍...matter infact the different roof can easily be explained. You can change temporal perspective. Meaning check the roofs through time and you will find a match..... It's well known to us that can consciously do it. It's not hard and we all do it and don't know it.... It's simply part of who we all are.....being human. You experience it every night when you go to sleep..... The difference is the consciousness......if your aware of it and be able to control it....
ONLY beautiful words........ Zero proofs, unfortunately 😢
It's an amazing experience. I've have a lot throughout my life. Just had one just now as I fell into a relax state at acupuncture. But if you are doubting I am assuming you've never had an out of body. I hope you get your proof one day. Experiencing it for yourself is truly unbelievable. ☮️🙏
@@jennyxiomara3 exactly, i hope the same and, even more important, i hope it really is a transcendental and "supernatural" happening and not just biochemical and psychological happenings
Confusing talk.Wild gestures, wild stories and i still don't know what the hell she is talking about 😅She starts with a 'two hour out of body 'story, and then ends with...I never found any paranormal phenomena.
for real?
If you dissociate from yourself, judging feelings and looking for naturalistic explanation, you will find one and you may loose your faith. Asspetially if you stay in company of such a wizzard like Dawkins ora Dennet.
“…. Go up to a friend’s room and have a splith …” What does that mean? Did she take something? A nap? A nip? A joint?
joint
Yes, a splith is a joint.
The word is "spliff".
A nice person (Susan Blackmore) but a lightweight in regard to NDE research. All her supposed "work" is just cobbled together "theories" (her pet dying brain nonsense) and half hearted, unfair and inaccurate examinations of the cases in the literature ... then quick conclusions (to please her peers) with added 'leg slapping' (appeal to argumentum reductio ad absurdum).
Susan is really more of a TV personality or an actress, in my opinion, though I do like her. Actually, come to think of it, she would have made a very good actress.
It’s just a dream ffs
🐋
Just had to squeeze in a mention for her daughter, which so many of these academic speakers like to do. Why? I have absolutely no idea. Sons never get mentioned.
Because sons are boring and crappy.
@@slowdown7276 Could be that, although I tend to suspect it has more to do with stereotyping daughters as little mothers in the making. They are expected to monitor and correct their parents' behaviour.
Cry about it
no2 nooo n2o lol
Cor Blimey, she pretends to be serious comedian ! 😂
She does not have a clue!
She basically read about the work others did. And then she argued that everything they found was wrong. The verified evidence was all wrong of course. Because all the others obviously cannot do their job properly. She is the only one who knows how to do it. And she is the only one who knows the truth. And of course she knows it without getting the first hand data. She is so smart that she just needs 3rd or 4th hand data to get to the conclusion (or better unproven assumption) that it is all bs. She was not there. She didn't even try to verify the perceptions of all these NDErs. She just assumes that it is all just a hallucination anyway. And than she makes a fact our of her theory. Yeah...She does not have a clue.
@@marcob.7446 Yes, I tend to agree with that. She is nice person but a lightweight in regard to NDE research. All her supposed "work" is just cobbled together "theories" (her dying brain nonsense) and half hearted, unfair and inaccurate examinations of the cases in the literature ... then quick conclusions with added 'leg slapping' (appeal to argumentum reductio ad absurdum). Susan is really more of a TV personality or an actress, in my opinion though I do like her. Actually, come to think of it, she would have made a good actress.
Absolute bore 😴
haha
wayyyyyyy tooo long
I think it's sad people claim to the belief that they can be physically or spiritually (whatever that means haha) outside of their own bodies.
Possibly a dangerous belief as it is not grounded in reality.
Until it happens to you. Then you'd see it as completely normal. I've have several throughout my life. Hope you can one day see for yourself how amazing this experience is. ☮️
@@jennyxiomara3 except you lie
@@MageAtYou It's stupid to lie about something that you'd be rediculed for. But I am okay with that being your opinion. Have a good day 😊
@I know I’m gay when I say this but did you read what I wrote? No one has ever actually been outside of their own body. It's all created inside your brain, it's not reality. grow up
@@jennyxiomara3 please don't try to influence other people with your opinions, it might be harmful portraying a false reality.
Why am I having an out-of-body experience killing my mother?
That’s your brain I think, you control your thoughts... And Idk if your joking or not 😂
Photonic quantum computer souls😮😁👍
Blackmore is full of it. She doesn't believe OBEs are real but are just in our minds. She's a nay sayer. But she passes herself off as an expert because she thought she had an OBE while on drugs and then figured out it wasn't real. and has been debunking OBEs ever since.
How would she explain shared out of body Experiences
She can't. She's a debunker masquerauding as a believer.
Only time she's ever stayed awake all night? Thats weird.
THOUGHT ABOUT THOUGHTS:
Question: Where do thoughts actually come from?
For example: Modern science claims that we have billions of brain cells with trillions of brain cell connections. How exactly does the energy signal 'know' where and when to start, what path to take, and where and when to stop to form a single coherent thought?
An analogy I utilize is to spread a brain out like a map. Brain cells are represented by towns and cities, brain cell interconnections are represented by roads and highways, and the energy signal is represented by a vehicle traveling between one or more towns and/or cities. A coherent thought is a coherent trip.
How exactly does the vehicle 'know' where and when to start, what path to take, and where and when to stop to form a single coherent trip? A higher intelligence has to tell it those things. But, that is a coherent 'trip' (thought) in and of itself.
So, how exactly does our brain think a thought before it consciously thinks that thought? And if thoughts can be thought without consciously thinking thoughts, then what do we need to consciously think thoughts for? Just to consciously think thoughts that are already thought? What then of 'freewill' if we don't even consciously think our own thoughts?
And then to further that situation, modern science claims that many different energy signals are starting at various places in the brain, take various pathways, and stop at different places, just to form a single coherent thought. (With the analogy, many vehicles are starting at various places on the map, taking various routes, and stopping at various places, all together forming a single coherent 'trip'.) And somehow it's all coordinated and can happen very quickly and very often.
So, where do thoughts actually come from? Who and/or what is thinking the thoughts before I consciously think those thoughts? Do "I" even have freewill to even think these thoughts "I" am thinking about thoughts and type these thoughts to you here on this internet?
Modern science also claims we have at least 3 brains: The early or reptilian brain, the mid brain, and the later more developed brain. So, are early parts of the brain thinking thoughts before the later parts of the brain consciously think those thoughts? If reptiles can think thoughts, then couldn't the early part of our brain think thoughts, and somehow pass those thoughts on to later more developed parts of later brains? Is our 'inner self' really just our reptilian brain thinking the thoughts that we think we are thinking? Are we all just later more evolved reptiles? Who don't even consciously think our own thoughts?
If not, then how exactly does the brain think thoughts? Where exactly do thoughts originally come from so our brain can consciously think those thoughts?
So "I" am thinking about thoughts, if it is even "I" thinking the thoughts that "I" believe "I" am thinking about thoughts. Or so "I" currently think, here again, if it is even "I" doing the thinking. "My" thinking is imploding as "I" think about thoughts. But then again, is it even 'me' that is imploding? I will have to think about it some more. Poof, I'm gone.
Is just energy interacting with itself the lowest form of sub-consciousness? Is it even consciousness itself?
A B C Of Perceived Reality: (For at least humans, expanded version): (work in progress):
1. Inner 'Self': Imagine a void.
(But 'who' and/or 'what' is doing the perceiving, and with what senses are they perceiving with? And what of 'their' memories and thoughts to allow them to perceive and make sense of what is perceived and what, if anything, to do about it? Is it just a manifestation of energy interactions?).
2. (C): Cognitions:
* Nature: DNA/Genetics. (Quarks, electrons and interacting energy).
Sensory inputs, how the physical structure is put together. Male, female, etc.
Sensory inputs: Range: Non-existent sensory input Extremely heightened sensory input;
For each sense.
Perception of reality can be wrong in reality. People believe reality to be one way when the real truth is that reality is a different way.
Also: Color does not actually exist in this universe except for within the mind. Certain electromagnetic radiation energy frequencies are picked up by the eyes, converted to electrochemical signals, which are sent to the brain, whereby a picture of perceived reality is generated.
More actually exists in actual reality than our human senses alone can detect. Certain technologies are needed to perceive more.
Illness, injury, drugs, alcohol, lack of sleep, etc can alter one's functioning of the brain which can then alter one's mind. Modern science does not fully even know how the brain fully functions yet.
* Nurture: Life's experiences/memory banks.
KUWA, KUWPRA, AKUW, AKUWPR.
Knowledge, Understanding, Wisdom, Power, Resources, Applications.
There is a KUWA for every topic in existence, including a KUWA of KUWA. 'Deep' in each KUWA topic and 'Wide' in all KUWA topics and by combining KUWA topics together, one can reach higher levels of KUWA. We often 'Apply' before having full KUWA/KUWPR and mistakes can occur, dangerous and even deadly mistakes.
Not everything in life is experienced. Some have experiences that others do not have. Some things occur that one is not aware of yet. Some know things that others do not know yet, whether those items are true or not.
The power of suggestion can influence one's thoughts.
Our brain likes to make stuff up to fill in the gaps of it's perceptions.
Our recall of our memories are not 100% accurate.
Some memories are forgotten or become inaccessible.
Modern science says a brain can have visual and auditory hallucinations. Seeing and hearing things that are only in the mind of the individual.
Emotions can amplify or override logical and rational thoughts at times.
Some things matter to some individuals and do not matter to other individuals.
* Faulty and incomplete cognitions fed to the inner 'self'. A human can possibly be easily led astray.
3. (B): Beliefs:
Stem from Cognitions. Cognitions that are not 100% accurate nor 100% complete. Beliefs can also lead to perception of reality being one way when in truth reality is a different way. Some individuals care about some things and others do not care about those things.
* Faulty beliefs. Not all beliefs might be faulty, but certainly at least some beliefs might be.
4. (A): Actions:
Based upon our Beliefs and/or Emotions. Beliefs which are not 100% accurate nor 100% complete and Emotions that possibly can override logical and rational thought. But they are still actions none-the-less.
Also agendas (Range): Agendas can be life long to changing from moment to moment in time. Agendas can be open and honest to hidden and not honest. Agendas are the force behind our actions.
5. In part why the world seems so screwed up at times, because it is. Individual humans (and possibly other species too) with different Cognitions, Beliefs, and Actions. That 'our' cognition takes in, which possibly changes 'our' beliefs, which then possibly changes 'our' actions, as faulty as they might still be. 'We' are also one of the reasons why the world seems so screwed up at times. 'We' are not 100% accurate nor 100% complete. 'We' are 'human'.
6. If 'We' want to do better, individually and as a species, then we need more accurate and more complete cognitions, so as to have more accurate and more complete beliefs, so as to have better actions taken individually and as a species. But then also, who cares enough to do anything about whatever it is that would need to be dealt with? Needs to become a part of their individual agenda. Maybe the change starts with a single individual.
Her favourite word is definitely 'I'
people have heard conversations word for word for example in a separate room,waiting room so how could you hear and see something too far to hear much less see anything
THINK IS IF ITS LACK OF OXYGEN,OR WHATEVER,there wouldnt be a common "imagined experience" from every culture for thousands of years,there would be hundreds,even thousands of experiences not just 1 common one
11:21 I'm sure this was the sound she was recalling :) ruclips.net/video/U4GXNzom6ik/видео.html&start_radio=1
Oh i dont know Susan. My ancient relatives from KIC 8462852 in the Constellation of Cygnus, tell me Telepathically™️ that Human Animals have a Meaningful Point. THAT when we reach our penultimate Evolved State of Scientific consciousness & actually annihilate ourselves with ☢️ because we are inextricably drawn to violence as we were Born from it. That THAT, will be THAT. An all you can eat BARBENHEIMER Buffett of Humans for any Ghoulish Aliens that are Hungary enough to make The journey Here from Pest to Buda
Give it a go...
In 2020 my mind was very peacefull, I used to go to sleep and feel relaxed, complete and detached from the world in a + way. I will go to bed and fall sleep listening to some meditative quotes. There was a moment in between the awaken state before entering the sleeping state in which my awareness - as if it was my entire "I" - will unstuck from the body and will move up coming away from the body (being the body like a glove or a clothe that you take out). Then " being I as awarness or knowing " without body will move throughout my room . I was pure space with no materiality, mind was there together with awareness because I had a couple of thoughts: simple, practical and clear. I could move without having a body and passing through furnitures and walls.
I never left my room. I didn't want to cross the wall as my roomate was there and I could feel the energy of her body nearby when getting close. When going through the walls and furnitures I felt a bunched of atoms or energy put together but no dense enough to create materiaity. When passing by the empty space then empty pure space was there. When ever I had a worry thought like " I wont cross the wall my roomate is there" my awareness or "I" will go back to put on the body as if a hand puts on a glove. I was pulled back to this limited physical experience and all fine.
We are not the body, we are awareness. I know by experience although I don't have them anymore . I realized that it came almost every night when I was fearless , relaxed in mind, with no worries and in peace without need of anything from world , almost ready to die happily because I knew and I know that nobody dies here ❤😊
Thank you for sharing your experience. It's fascinating to have these kind of experiences. Suddenly all rational explanations become silly in a way
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Does it hurt your head watching the stage?
She'll find out soon enough.
The reality of an afterlife will reveal itself to most people in due time.
4:41 - Don't Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash have a pretty physicalist explanation of the universe in their form of idealism? It's effectively describing idealism showing up as something like functionalism with multiple realizability in nature (in that theory it seems like egregores and 'China Brains' would be edified).
Was really hoping someone would have asked about documented OBE's that recall things they otherwise would not have known.
This was really boring. Do other animal species with similar brain functions have NDEs or OBEs? They don’t have any gods or spirit realm to speak of like humans. If humans weren’t able to gain speaking abilities then there’s no such thing as NDEs or OBEs. It’s just nature. If there’s no developed brain then there’s no experiences to speak of. How anyone can say there’s an invisible realm when we have no way of detecting this other realm.
Ok, the speaker is wonderful but she does something rather annoying during this entire video which is ask the audience questions and for feedback. Now, the fact that nobody was given a microphone and she being in the room yet does not hear what the audience member says so she says, what, I'm sorry, to get the person to repeat and they do...NONE of which the microphone recording the video captures so you have no idea of what is being said if she does not repeat them and she rarely does. So the audience interaction that you can only hear her side of the conversation does not feel like it is helpful to the process of sharing her information and experiences. It is like having forced pauses in the middle of her stream of consciousness while she tries to hear someone you never hear. If anything the people that put this together could have closed captioned those moments so even though you don't hear them, you can read them. Then it would make the interactions not a waste of video or go back and cut them out since you cannot hear them anyway.
*my one was my 1st college class building - how if I'd never been inside? EVERY detail was accurate.
PLUS I felt the cold of metal, heard my footsteps, etc. This doesn't fit her explanation
Susan Blackmore fails to be able to answer the simple question! Based upon her, perspective, these experiences are happing to living individuals with a functioning brain. If they have been pronounced as being clinically dead, no breathing, and zero brain activity. How does she propose a dead person experiences anything?, after all they are dead.. As consciousness, if viewed by material, verifiable science, is based upon, an observable functioning brain. How do many people, seem to hear, and see things outside their physical field of vision say within another part of the hospital, sometimes giving detailed descriptions of colors and items and comments made sometimes hundreds of meters away, with retainable memories of the event, along with all the emotions they felt as it happened?, when they are dead according material science. Your mind and consciousness is not a result of just electrical activity within the brain and chemical reactions, in-fact its the other way around, consciousness gives rise to the activity of the brain and thus physical activity and existence and expereince..
Science has tested this many times in studies by placing cards or wierd symbols up above and near the ceiling. No one to date has ever been able to see them and report it back to the scientists. Very telling.
I have a question about our experience and time travel. I’ve done it a couple times. I need to learn how to do it again PS not a fucking joke.