The 6th gen. NGAD Program and the F-22: the LEAP it is going to be BIG!
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The 6th generation NGAD program is going to be an incredible leap if compared with the F-22.
This is the first video of a series where we analyze the F-22 and the NGAD together.!
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The 6th generation NGAD program is going to be an incredible leap if compared with the F-22.
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I am no expert at all so my question maybe stupid. It looks like everybody consider BVR as the futur of air combat, but as counter measure technology is evolving very fast it seams that any advantage a fighter may have would be cancel by the other's CM . it feels like futur air force pilots will end up dog figthing the old fashion way; in visual range. isn't it?
*What's next? Thought-controlled weapons?*
It should be noted that the f22 is less efficient when super cruising and I don't know if the f35 ever had that capability fixed. If they learned their lesson, it's possible they might be looking to more efficient afterburners. Stealth be gone for that
Did you consider cartridge laser weapons?
Can you make a video on OOA (out of autoclave)? It's in production stage with the MC-21 and I suppose it is, along with photonics, a reason of the postponement of the SU-57 full scale production
I'm happy to see that you have sponsors, now. Not that I like ads or anything, but I'm happy that you're being better compensated for your work.
Ngad risks being a flying Litorral combat ship if they don't get it right.
In the age of clickbait, this video is the best there is on NGAD. Informative reporting that combines what little we know with your expertise and sharp analysis. A far cry from the crap I see pumped out for views and cheap money.
Wonderful stuff M7. It's going to be interesting to see what comes along as time passes and how China and Russia go about their own 6th gen projects.
Here here, well said!
They need to make 5th gen first
That’s the best NGAD video I’ve seen. You don’t find content like this anywhere else. An excellent briefing. Just one omission, you never explained why Otis put the camera in the refrigerator. Finally, nice to see sponsorship…the RUclips community is noticing your channel!
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a geek is way interested.
good job on the intake bit...seriously well done! that alone will greatly influence design to ensure airflow at 2 intakes remain smooth enough to allow for effective operation. I would imagine that a intake under the fuselage for high relative airflow angles would be relatively small due to increased pressure...but that increased pressure also increases possibility of turbulent airflow if dine incorrectly.
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It also decreases Payload space. To me, it makes relatively little sense,having an airduct right where the internal bay should be. On the other hand 2 side-bays for long range AA missiles might get in the way of the undercarriage. Pretty much the problem, the F-22 has with fitting an AIM 260. It would need to be considerably longer, to accommodate all wishes there. That, on the other hand, will make it heavier(but at least there will be some place for fuel).
To me, the logical extension of the long-range missile dominated air-superiority approach would be a mash-up between the concept of a sensor drone and and a air-to-air missile. I imagine it would work like this:
1. A blip is detected far far beyond visual range... possibly detected via remote platforms well past the horizon from the missile-launching platform even. Because of long range detection, the blip represents a relatively low-certainty detection of an enemy aircraft.
2. The missile/drone launching platform launches the missile/drone. Because it must approach from great distance and strike faster than the putative enemy can deploy countermeasures, the missile drone must be traveling at high mach at least during the terminal portions of its approach, although it might be relying upon stealth in the earlier portions.
3. As the missile/drone approaches the blip, it finally gets optics on the the blip for the first time... only now can we know if the blip is a real target and not some jamming-based sensor ghost, or a friendly, or what-ever. At this stage the missile drone either commits to the original kill-mission against the blip, or defaults to one of two alternate missions. (It probably makes this initial commit or default decision entirely autonomously... without communicating back to the launcher or other human judgement,. Timing and the potential for it being detected or countered as a result of outside communication would permit nothing else). The two alternate default missions would be: (A) Pure-drone... it could stay in sub-sonic stealth mode and become a relatively high-loiter sensor package uploading data into the targeting systems of launcher-platforms. (B) It could go into recovery mode, and land at a pre-designated site for retrieval, refurbishment, refueling, and eventual reuse.
The idea here is that long-range non-visual air-to-air combat based upon high-sophistication missiles is extremely expensive because those missiles need more than just rocket engines, and warheads, they need sophisticated sensor packages and the computers capable of using the data from those sensors. Expending such a smart munition is totally worth it... IF one hits an enemy fighter, but if most blips are sensor ghosts, it becomes rapidly possible to simply make such long-range warfare economically unsustainable. Thus the idea is to make EVERY shot count, even if it is just against a sensor ghost... if that's the case, then the shot becomes a sensor package in the area that has the direct effect of making more sensor ghosts harder to generate. Thus, the more munitions you expend, the fewer munitions you must further expend in a self-correcting tactical feedback-loop. If it turns out that seeding the are with more sensors is not worth it, there's at least a chance to recover the expensive missile/drone reducing the average dollars/shot.
We see some aspects of this hybrid missile/drone concept in other mission spaces already: for example the switch-blade drone for ground-to-ground, and the small-diameter bomb v2 for air-to-ground. I'd be very interested in your thoughts concerning it's applicability to air-to-air.
Interesting idea, but it is extraordinarily complex and the litany of accompanying systems and infrastructure necessary to even attempt something like that would be mind bogglingly expensive, more so than the NGAD could ever be.
Trying to make a drone that can land and be reused when operating deep behind enemy lines is just making an unmanned plane that’s just as expensive.
You would be much better off investing in high unit numbers of long range missiles. They’re not any more complex than shorter ranged missiles, they just have more boosters. They just typically aren’t procured much because historically that’s a bit of a niche mission type and so per unit costs have been high in the past. They don’t need to be.
This airplane will be the first delta winged fighter in the USAF since the F106.
F-102
With out a doubt this will come in under budget and be simple to maintain.
just long range switchblades everywhere, enough to blot out the sun
It actually will be easier to maintain than the F-22. That’s one of the focuses of the program and one of the big advantages the F-35 has over the F-22… the radar absorbent material on the F-35 is a leap ahead technology that is far easier and cheaper to maintain.
A fantastic video! The way you are able to parse through the very, very limited info about this topic and still pull out some very strong and relevant talking points is so impressive. You are one of the best on RUclips!
OTIS has not been the same ever since he took that unsanctioned "vacation" in China...
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There is good information that can be gained from the F117, B-2 and SR-71 designs. The F117 was not equipped with any type of radar, not only because the active signal would give away position but because the transmitter antenna, even when inactive, is a very good radar reflector. because of this the F117 relied on passive infra red sensors and GPS navigation. They are also subsonic to reduce heat signature and sound, a sonic boom can be tracked by ground stations, and even if not useful for targeting it is useful for early warning and general vector information.
Also interesting is the SR71, which is not normally labeled as stealth but it was designed with a substantially reduced radar visibility, it also relied on automated star tracking navigation. Star tracking was not only useful in the pre-GPSS era but because GPSS can be jammed or disabled, however star tracking is only reliable in the stratosphere above all clouds.
For a conventional super cruise aircraft there is an island of aerodynamic efficiency near mach 2.0-2.5. ( Note the Concord used this speed. ) This speed is also desirable because the aerodynamic heating is just below the limits of aluminum as a bulk structural material.
The SR71 required titanium and steel because of heat at mach-3, metallic Ti is not only an expensive raw material but it is expensive to use in fabrications, and the higher temperatures cause additional problems with expansion, expansion joints can decrease radar stealth, and a hot skin massively reduces infrared stealth.
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always interesting to listen to your POV, I think that NGAD will draw a lot from the technologies used on the B21
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Great video! Variable bypass engines are going to be a game changer. It's too bad they won't retrofit the engines to older airframes, in fear of it diverting funding from the next plane.
You need to balance out Intakes and engine mountings. Therefore reshape the Airplane.It's just not worth it.
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Thanks for this! These match my thoughts as well... Also I would like to add simular spectulation/Sc-fi media/sims happened with the F-117 and most of it was dead wrong... but nearly all of it predected the F-22 in funstion just not form. Might be worth making a video about to see how and why people got the F-117 so wrong... For for me boils down to the Computer aided design/ simulations/super computer limits of the time.
Great video, very funny and well done. One thing I should mention, in 2021 directed energy weapons for missiles, mortars, medium size drones and the like have now been successfully tested in the US and Israel. We are now ahead of those capabilities, and the rate of advancement is accelerating such that several major DE capabilities will be part of both our 6th Gen and tested and in limited deployment in our upcoming 5.5 G. This is all based on non-classified info.
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Lift fan in F-35 is around 21MW of power. Quite enough for direct energy weapons.
If you have powerful (superconducting?) generators/motors, you can run one hot core in one engine and use second engine only as a fan (mechanical coupling is also possible).
It allows to change (double) effective bypass ratio. It also allows to have additional independent pure electric fans, for example being a part of auxiliary maneuver inlets. Perfect thrust augmentators for take - off and low speed flight.
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This was making me wonder... how large could a fighter feasibly get? Is it at all possible to make a large-ish aircraft that maintains some degree of super-maneuvbility? What would the limiting factor be? (My guess is on material integrity under load...)
I think they sacrificed some maneurverability.
Structural stability and engine power.
But mainly structural stability, we can build engines powerful enough to make a 747 supermaneuverable, though they would be expensive af and jug fuel like a oil rig fire, but we don't have the materials to sustain the stress.
@@LoisoPondohva ..why? can we not use the material being used in the exhaust of space shuttles to sustain those stress'?
@@mayanktripathi8726 Exhaust of space shuttle? Are you talking about thermal stress or structural stress? Also a lot of "space" materials are being used in Aerospace industry already. It's just they don't always meet the specific requirements or include some sort of trade off. Space is different than flying in atmosphere. And re-entry is different than flying at supersonic speeds for long time.
@@mayanktripathi8726 thermal stress is a lot different from deformation stress from high G.
The material of a rocket has to sustain those stresses in only one direction, and those materials we do have. But a supermaneuverable jet exerts those stresses in random directions with fast changes, and that problem is EXTREMELY hard to solve in material science.
Plus, shuttle and the other reusable spaceships go through extensive maintenance after each launch, with a lot of those special stress-ablative materials being completely or partially removed and re-applied.
We can't really financially or strategically afford to send each 6-gen fighter into a three-week refurbishment program after each sortie. Refurbishing 5-gen stealth coatings is already a huge problem in cost and fleet readiness.
So, basically, at this time we can't really build a multi-use supermaneuverable jet of a B-1/B-52 size, and even if we could - there's a question to be answered as to which problem are we even solving by doing so, and wouldn't be building 2-5-10 smaller jets at the same combined cost be much more effective.
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Art images revealed conditional activated vertical stabilizer and rudder (in case of maneuverability). If Stealth is necessary without high maneuverability, these 2 vertical stabilizers is closed back and integrated into the wing surfaces.
Sounds a lot like...the X-02 Wyvern from Ace Combat, IIRC? Was that the jet that could fold its tails, or just its wings?
Edit: yep, it's the X-02 that can fold its vertical stabilizers.
That said, just having the plane be one big triangle seems like it's going to have some maneuverability tradeoffs. Not sure that's a good route to go.
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Apparently USAF NGAD is pronounced as you did, while Navy's NGAD is pronounced like NJAD.
Also, I hope both will have long range, high resolution medium wave IR, which they could identify what the radar can see.
Also DEWs suffer mostly from cooling. The power package is small enough now, I've seen this. However, I think the issue is that the amount of extra space and mass for the cooling is problematic. It still makes more sense to use a gun in this day and age. But, a built in DEW for counter measure purposed (point defense) is likely on the table.
Well, a "dazzler" type system can be compact and has pretty reasonable power draw. It doesn't really destroy missiles or airplanes, but it can blind them if they use optical or IR components. I think once you get to the power level where you could physically destroy incoming missiles though, you may as well make it powerful enough to damage enemy aircraft as well, since there's not a huge increase in energy required between the two. Power is still an issue though. The lasers have gotten compact, as well as energy storage for them. But recharging will be very time consuming. And yeah, the cooling you mention is an issue as well.
A gun doesn't have nearly as much range as a laser, incidentally. Nor does it have the aiming flexibility. Granted, the range of a laser is very weather dependent.
Interestingly, the F-X (japan's bid for 6th gen) is said to employ a microwave band laser. It's a thought provoking idea. And the F-X program has had a lot of input from US defense contractors, which makes me think the F-X may showcase some of the tech the NGAD would lean towards. Their microwave laser apparently will be part of the radar... which to me suggests that it's not really a "laser", but rather a capability for an array radar to aim all of its array components into a single spot simultaneously, with a high degree of focus. Kind of a super-intense ECM function, and obviously derivative of the F-35's radar capabilities.
@@kathrynck it's interesting you bring up the Japanese platform.
One of the things the APG-81 can do (along with other AESAs in the US arsenal) is perform a burn through. It can focus the entire array and push out a max output beam at a target that's nose on, and essentially fry the incoming threat's FCR. That's not Jamming. That's bludgeoning. It is, however, not the end all be all. Adequate shielding, even active shielding, is possible to block such attacks and such shielding methods are cheaper to develope that making a directed radiation weapon strong enough to mess up systems from 100km away.
So I still think it will continue to be viable to have a gun on an air dominance platform.
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That's some hard stuff right there.
Don't edit it. Let the world have record of your pains.
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I was just, trying to be thoughtful about those who take sports very seriously.
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Is there any realstic way of cooling the air in the engine post compresson... or . Mid compression to increase speed but retain some sort of medium speed efficency?
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M7: "So today I'm going to imagine what the NGAD is going to look like"
Me: ~ turns off all phone notifications for 15 minues and 59 seconds ~
- I kinda figured we'd be talking "delta" ;) hehe (but I don't disagree!)
- 2 engines are a given, and TV I think are very likely. I don't know if the TV will be 360 or not though, but there's certainly an argument for that in a tailless design.
- AIM-260, yeah, although I think there will be STRONG push to be compatible with the AGM-158 as well, and possibly the Boeing LRAAM concept proposal. (and of course, stormbreaker, which will have slightly more range from such a high altitude). I assure you that LRAAM is only as "speculative" as the level of military interest & cash, and offers incredible kinematic performance at extreme ranges with delayed second stage.
- I also suspect a "high & fast" plane. As it would dovetail well with the F-35's "low & slow". Also, there are certain materials tech advancements which make this likely. However, I'm not sure just how fast, because IR stealth is going to be an issue. Flying at very high altitude alone makes for less IR stealth, and going particularly fast will create quite a heat signature as well. What I don't know, is how quickly the skin can cool off after going fast. If it can be made to cool off rapidly, then a mission could involve both high speed, and more modest supercruise, at various points in it's mission profile. High supercruise speeds would really help with range, not to mention sortie time at extreme range.
- One advantage of high altitude though, is that while a plane can be seen further away on IR when it's at high altitude, it can also see further with it's own IR sensors.
- Would auxiliary intakes on the underside be particularly more stealthy than just putting the primary intakes there and shaping them carefully? I'm going to assume that the belly won't be perfectly flat, because some kind of bulge for the fuselage would increase internal storage massively, for very little extra structure weight & drag. So as long as the intakes were shaped in a manner echoing that underside fuselage bulge, including the angles of the edges matching the seams in the fuselage, then I don't think it would have an RCS penalty significant enough to warrant a double-intake system with the associated moving parts & internal space consumption.
- "puffers" aren't really that difficult to do. The Harrier has had them for decades. Not just the front 'cold' nozzles, but also small wingtip nozzles for fine tuning control. I think the most interesting place to put puffers on an NGAD would be on top of the wings, to play with airflow and AoA characteristics. Not saying it will have them, or that it would need them, just that it's really not "difficult". It does involve some weight & complexity with the ducting though, and it could eat into engine efficiency.
- I am expecting 3 radars. 2 flush to the delta shape in front, and then a rear one. Should give 360 degree coverage. Probably more integration of passive RF sensing capability into the primary radar as well. Getting the radars out of the nose raydome could have advantages at high supercruise as well. Not to mention advantages for shape based on aerodynamic efficiency, without regard to it's effect on radar function. The radar 'transparent' raydome material isn't really Fully transparent, so it's shape affects radar performance.
- variable bypass engine is definitely going to be a feature. I think GE has the inside track on that. Their engine design has smooth automated operation through 3 phases of bypass & afterburn function. Although there will probably be "modes" of flight, to restrict afterburner use while trying to be less noticeable to IR.
- I expect a modular laser as well. not a permanently affixed device, but something which can fit into the weapons bay, and be used on some planes, some of the time. Note: I mean an anti-material laser which could be used vs. aircraft & missiles, not a 'dazzler' (which I would expect to be standard kit)
- and of course the USAF has said they want optionally manned.
- I've seen some interesting ideas on uh... what might be called 'optical jamming'. But I dunno if that'll find it's way into the NGAD program.
--- Stealth isn't quite as 'band specific' as you allude to. Geometric stealth is (or can be) largely frequency agnostic, and many of the RAM materials diminish RF signals across quite a frequency range. I don't want to get into TOO much detail on it, but the geometry + coatings systems employed do a pretty decent job across a wide spectrum. Obviously it works better in some frequency ranges than others, but it's not as though the US built stealth planes which are instantly nullified by a frequency change in radars.
@@kathrynck I'm curious about the ideas to which "optical jamming" is being loosely applied. As in some sort of decoy? I can think of a few options here, but have no idea if they're possible, deployable on a fighter (or other assets if multiple airframes are required), or just stupid. Or maybe you mean something that permanently disables the enemies sensors? Or actively alters or masks signal return?
@@zlm001 Um, I guess the term could be taken several ways. There's dazzler lasers which can blind or permanently damage optical or IR sensors in aircraft or missiles. I imagine that will be standard equipment.
But I was thinking of something else really, actually several possible something else's. It would be wild speculation to say NGAD will have any of what I'm thinking of. It's a little bit sci-fi. But even if it's speculation, I don't want to speculate on something which 'might' be true, because if it is, it would probably be classified. And even a lucky guess could be problematic for program security. Just gonna wait & see on that :)
(Still not completely sold on the "tailless" thing. Having some tail wrap around the exhaust area, a la YF-23, could be worth the drag just for side-IR performance alone.)
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#1 I remember a while back that a western jet manufacturer was incorporating electric generation within the engine core to produce a quantum leap in electrical power ...I wonder if you have seen it too?
#2 I since this aircraft will have to operate at extreme high and low speeds is there any chance that a swing wing might be viable??
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Wondered when the fan would be adopted as first stage compressor at high altitude or power
If u closely look at the wording, the next 6th Gen. may not actually be a fighter but rather more of a bomber type with fighter characteristics.
I believe it will not carry any weapon but will have laser weapons, air to air missile will be carried by drone wingman and ngad will only guide the missile.
This was a cool video, nice explanation of what we have to expect for the NGAD and by the way a nice flat you live in. :-)
Amazing video on the topic of the NGAD. Could you make a video on AWACS systems, like the E-3 Sentry , E-6 Mercury or E-2 Hawk Eye?
I expect a future aircraft will be designed for 1 thing … launching a large missile at high speed and high elevation. The extreme long range of the missile because it is launched at high speed and elevation would make the aircraft’s stealth and range unimportant (it stays within safe airspace). And since it has 1 role, many aircraft systems can be eliminated (making it lower cost, lighter, quicker to design). It might even have a rocket engine to boost top speed and altitude. It might have an oxygen tank to add oxygen to afterburner to reach top speed in rarefied air.
The other next gen aircraft may be an air combat drone that is launched and retrieved by the mother ship. Without weight and aerodynamic compromises of a canopy, cockpit, large fuel tank, landing gear, and eliminating many systems, a 12,000 pound drone could have amazing specs including thrust to weight greater than 2:1, 20 G maneuvering and a short range weapon used for both defense and offense.
Maybe some kind of retractable canard would make sense. Use it when you need high maneuverability, or for takeoff and landing, and leave it tucked in the rest of the time.
I find it hard that it won't be hypersonic.
Secondly I saw how you attempted to explain it's maneuverability with thrust vectoring. Try some some degree of antigravity or multi-vectoring. No cheesy ideas please.
Some 4th gen aircrafts are already performing gravity or physics defying moves through pilot assist. What if you introduce AI and tech enhanced gravity defying efficiency moves? It's possible because the tech is already available and it's called flyby wire. What if it's taken several notches higher?
I could go on and on the possible tech expected in the aircraft it will begin to look like a UFO. But I think that journey had already begun with stealth technology.
The NGAD is not really about the shape but more about generational leap performance.
My humble opinion.
Nice work by the way.
Great Info, nicely done.
If you want to know a good approximation of the NGAD, think of the mission purposed for the B-1R Bomber program. Only that the NGAD is supposed to be faster (though I am dubious is high speed will not be sacrificed for range/stealth) and much much more stealthy, with less range (since the B-1 is still an intercontinental bomber plateform).
I forget the channel but there is a guy out there doing sci fy designs, one drops the engines through the wing to suck from top or bottom for hiding the intake reflection
Ahhh, good ol' MEEN 472 (Gas Dyn). I really enjoyed that technical elective.
Yf-23 was the best start at this, compared to the yf-22 pr the raptor, wich is basically a evolved f-15 airframe, the yf-23 was a brand new airframe design. The yf-23 was larger than the f-22 and basically had a all around more stealth airframe, it was a brand new airframe, the f-22 is a f-15 basically evolved. It tails were about the size of an f-35 wing alone, making it really manueverable... according to some of the rcs data, it had some rediculous stats. Even for planes now. It could go mach 2.0 when the f-22 prototype was going mach 1.56. It also hid its rear heat signature alot better. I think these things make up for the 2d vectoring, advancements in missile tech is going to make "super manueverability" for a fighter pointless.
Tail less F-23? That would look awesome
They thought missiles would rule back in Vietnam. Turns out not so much.
So lasers. Yeah. Can’t beat a laser
@@animalanimal7939 Also lasers can be use in defense more than in offense, they could shoot down incoming missiles
Not to mention they were able to keep it stealthy while having intakes under the wing while solving for the boundary air with vents above. Maybe ngad will incorporate a use for that air in aerodynamic control?
@@RogueBeatsARG that’s a good point
I saw they are testing a variable bypass engine for the F35 . Neat stuff , GE had one for the F22 . I think your robot friend shaved one of your eyebrows while you were asleep .
Clever analysis, as always
sounds like something out of a sci-fi novel.
We have come so far.
Amazing.
8:55 I believe, all so called "6th gen" planes and most likely 15 years later, updated F-35's will be hybrid operative. Means, both can be fly empty & autonomous for long deployments, loaded & piloted for patrolling and fight.
Missile Truck is a good idea, but in such high density cyberwar theater, noone risk such sruff to be taken by enemy. Especially since 2011, RQ-170 incident.
I mean that's what the Su57 was designed in mind with. It's capable of flying remote.
@@singular9 if the sources are to be believed that is
Damnit I keep finding good stuff to comment on... I love how your proposed design looks an awful lot like a TR2 ;) very good.
"F-32"??? Did I strain too hard on the toilet while watching this, and slide into a parallel universe where Boeing's X-32 won the competition? 🤔 The "Mandela Effect" confirmed!
I enjoy your videos. Very good especially in that you are doing them in your second tongue.
Excellent vid hello from t.o Canadá. love aviation keep up the good work.
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So we started with biplane and kept going fast amd high until F104, then we went down to F16/18 then now we are starting to go high and fast again... right?
My guess is that it is going to be a lot bigger then most fighters. Thinking su-34/mig31 size at least with two engines derived from the F-135. Sacrificing some maneuverability for the benefits that come with a larger size like more range, higher weapons load and room/energy for a more powerful radar.
Will be interesting to see how close your deductions turn out to be or even match reality
In regards to the NGAD's engines these two development programmes would be involved, the GE XA-100 ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_XA100 ) and the P&W XA-101 ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_XA101 ).
Are these engines not also the same AETP Engines that would be used to upgrade the F-35A and the F-35C Fighter planes? Would make some sense for parts commonality with the NGAD and possibly the F/A-XX.
Lol I like your intro for this video great opening 👍🏾
I think pop up vertical stabs for WVR combat would be a great idea. In regular flight, they would be faired into the airfoil and only become usable if the plane gets into a knife fight.
I've seen a presentation from another source that stated there are two vertical stabilizers which can come up off the wing as necessary. When not needed they stay folded down.
How it looks?
Imagine many small creeks feeding money into the Amazon River Basin.
Then double that and stuff it into Bain Capital offshore Tax Shelters.
Loved the Frig Cam - also the USAF definitely have the best PIGs available 😂
Amazing! Thank you for this video 🙂
This tells me that the US is embarking on advancing engine technology. The Russians and Chinese have been closing that gap.
Russia and China have been unable to match US engines from the 80s and 90s (not in top end thrust but in acceleration, overall performance, fuel economy, and engine life). Russia is nowhere close because their metallurgy is garbage. China was copying Russian engines but has started to advance because it can afford much more R&D than Russia can. But no one is anywhere close to the F-135 engine. (The Tu-160’s engines have higher top-end thrust but are much larger physically and have much shorter lifespans and slower acceleration). And now the US is already advancing beyond the F-135. So basically, China and especially Russia have a long way to go.
@@bluemarlin8138 Agreed. But in any weapons race, one must attempt to be at least one, if not two steps ahead of the competition.
China updates their engines by leasing commercial US aircraft. Every time the tech improves, it goes directly into the Chinese engine development programs. They now have better engines than the Russians by folding 737 tech into improvements to their domestic engines. Certain things are difficult to replicate but they can still use enough to create far more reliable engines that last longer with less maintenance.
XA100 + XA101 200kN class 3 Stream Adaptive Cycles Engines for F35 + 6G already exist - with lower IR + RF observability + Commercial fuel economy even with greater thrust - with affordability the issue of replacing F135 engines with a newer variant or with this new engine destined for 6G...
@@bluemarlin8138 This is a distortion, but it is not relevant because advanced engine technology is not relevant to real war. For a real war you need an "advanced minimum technology engine".
I really enjoy your brand of humor!
Love the content. just wish you would drop the Otis stuff.
For managig variable bypass in combat conditions, I certainly hope the planes still have pilots as opposed to "project managers" on board. The F-14 community used to have quite a reputation for doing ery effective things with the vairable geometry wings that were "contradicted in the owner's manual." Hopefully, the military version of variable bypass engines ("variable" in and aspect of an aeroplane is a double-edged sword!) won't have some sort of hard computer control that would contramand the combat pilots decision that it is time to do something extremely "contraindicated", extremely quickly, RIGHT NOW!"
I look forward to your presentation once the NGAD Fighter is in production. Where is your information that says there will not be any direct energy weapons?
The longer the videos the better. Go all out, I don't care and I'm sure the others viewers don't either...we crave length!
Just like to ask a few questions if I may:
1) Can the triangle/delta shape be made more diamond-like or at least have a saw-toothed trailing edge, while still satisfying the aerodynamic requirements you outlined?
Reason is that for an incident radar wave from the frontal arc, if the wave has a polarization such that the E field has a component perpendicular to the wing trailing edge this will result in an edge diffraction scattering into the frontal sector. This may be either cylindrical in scattering if the EM Poynting vector is perpendicular to the edge, or a Keller cone scattering if the Poynting vector is at an angle to the edge normal.
Similarly, for an incident radar wave from the rear arc, if the polarization is such that the E field has a component parallel to the edge, diffraction will also occur resulting in scattering into the rear sector.
Can the shape be made diamond-like to move the edge normals out of the threat sectors? Or at least sawtooth the edge with large segments (in order to also mitigate possible Rayleigh and Mie region scattering)?
Would such a diamond or sawtoothed edge still satisfy the aerodynamic requirements you stated?
2) Since the role for the aircraft is not ground attack, hence the primary threat radars are not ground based, this means wing upper surface positioning of intakes is not needed for shielding from ground radars.
And considering the role is air dominance, with the presumed primary threat being airborne radars (fighter or awacs/AEW at high altitude), would you then move the intakes under the wing?
3) Not actually a question but more a side note: it's interesting that the wing sweep angle you computed of around 20 deg is very similar to that of the 1970s Lockheed Have Blue prototypes. Of course their main consideration was RCS reduction and not aerodynamics, but it's a nice (maybe poetic) coincidence since Have Blue gave rise to stealth aircraft.
It would require a long answer, sorry.
1) no
2) assumption not true
3) just a coincidence🙂
Thanks for the answers. Regarding #2, which assumption is incorrect? That it won't be for ground attack?
Ah, the next one is here. This should hold me for a few hours.
Wish you were my ROTC instructor. You are interesting/compelling, full of info. Would have been a better student. Well, maybe??
I expect one version of the NGAD will be a 2/3 scale B-21. It will not be a super maneuverable platform but instead it will be hyper stealthy with a massive fuel and payload capacity. Match that with the most sophisticated sensors ever seen in an aircraft. I will simply blow everything out of the sky while super cruising at 70,000 undetected.
@Mark Smith yup, no reason not to when F35 and maybe even F22 will be able to guide the missiles. Combine that with longer range Meteor/Aim260 amd you've got a winner. Will be great for guided atg/sea cruise missiles too.
I think the USAF has finished development on the 6th gen technologies and is now installing it onto all their F-22 Raptors to turn them into Super Raptors. I live in Portland, OR. Every day, at least once per day, I see 2 to 5 F-22 Raptors take off and head Southeast. I don't know if they are heading to Area 51 or a different base, but I can almost guarantee they are all going to the same location for upgrades.
direct energy weapons can be so easily countered with energy deflecting materials. really easy to put on missiles and missiles that have high temperature stress (very fast missiles) will easily survive such weapon anyway since exposure to it will be very short.
probably direct energy weapons will remain only to distract sensors.... even than can be protected with filters anyway...
Will the NGAD projects be as maneuverable as the F-22? Or do you think the missile "slinging" and super agile missiles will make Super Maneuverability irrelevant.
Are the USAF and USN NGADs being built by the same manufacturer?
I suspect the NGADs would have a great focus on BVR fighting with only comparable maneuverability, if not slightly worse, than the F-22. That being said, once stealth gets so good that radar and IRST brings fights close enough that a merge is likely, a more maneuverable design might be ideal.
@@brokenmoon3300 agreed here. Scifi shows often boil down to "radar is useless, so all fights are within visual range, so we could show you robots having jedi lightsaber duels!"
(Sorry, my inner gundam fan came out =P)
That, or a bunch of closer-to-WVR fighting ala Ace Combat, which is why the fictional jets there are often about tons of maneuverability while still retaining stealth (see: X-02 Wyvern)
We don’t know. If the USAF goes for stealth alone it will probably no be as maneuverable. There are some technologies that can allow you to have stealth and good maneuverability, such as active flow control. But we have absolutely no clue of NGAD will use it.
Research and demonstration tests of active flow control already exists, and DARPA is working with Lockheed and Boeing to make a X-plane that uses active flow control exclusively. Active flow control allows you to maneuver without using moving surfaces which is bad for stealth. For example. BAE has used active flow control to do some level of thrust vectoring without using massive moving nozzles as you see on Russian jets. Something like third could allow a very stealthy NGAD to retain maneuverability
My guess is that maneuverability will be sacrificed for range, cruising speed and stealth.
The enemy is China, which means much greater distances than a European theater. We basically need to counter China invading Taiwan, and our closest bases are in Guam. Even with mid air refueling you don’t want to leave a tanker vulnerable, so combat radius is going to be hugely important as will the speed to get to the target quickly.
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Are you talking about engines like the sr71 ? Where the nacelle changes while in flight? For bypass ratio?
@12:00 goes down to read the comments for a few minutes.
...ok thats enough scifi to fill the quota. ;)