*NEW* Talaria vs Surron // OFFICIAL E-Bike Buyer's Guide 2023
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Official test, review, and comparison between the Talaria XXX, Talaria Sting R MX4, and Surron X 2023.
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‼IMPORTANT CORRECTIONS ‼(2 Things) First correction: Regarding the Talaria R battery rattle. The Sting R comes with a foam block that stops the rattle, it was my mistake for not installing it! Second correction: The Sting R power sag demonstrated at 30% was the result of overheating, more so than low battery. Under normal motor temperatures, there is still lots of power on the Talaria R. Thank you for watching!
For a person who owns a sting r this is correct the power is way more than that Ive taken it down to 02% and it’s still has more torque than a super 73 of the very start. Although I have never overheated my motor and I ride crazy so I don’t know how that happened
Thanks do you know what the heat temp threshold is?
@@pcicecube not sure but I know sometimes it won’t let me charge it because the battery is too hot but that’s only when I’m going 50+mph all the way home from the beach which is 5 miles away
@@fullsendjeff thanks - I live in Australia so that’s why im curious - also the warm points to cool
My bad i sent 2 lol
Dude the Talaria XXX is such a huge W for the e-bike community. Legit power and torque from an electric bike that won't break the bank. Gonna be so many more homies with electric bikes I'm so excited and happy.
i know but it sells out so fast😭
I agree but man they need to have more available. This was the same thing that happened with Sur Ron for a long time. Luna was the sole dealer and they were impossible to get. Now you can get a Sur Ron easy. I'm hoping the Talaria XXX becomes more readily available.
Its about a 1000 less who gives a fuck
I like you for being so welcoming in your community.
Like the bike just got mine today but damn does the seat suck after an hour that’s my biggest complaint! Gonna get something else on there but really like the bike.
Understandably, it is difficult to provide an unbiased review while comparing 3 rides so close in specs.
..But, You managed to nail it with the most efficient, fun-fact packed, with superb visuals and creativity any humble viewer could admit.
👍👍👍
Why would the bikes being close in specs make being unbiased difficult?
I’m going to be honest, the surron has a special place in my heart. It will always be my #1
Im with you bro. Something about it is just so special and nostalgic
Yup that’s why I’ve been saving n working my ass off to get one this year I understand the Sting X has more power but I like the surron customization n just everything bout it
I WANT TO KNOW WHRER HE GETS HIS E BIKES
@@NovaZq just wait when they actually are only available in dealerships. They come with a nice $1,000 fee on top for assembly and whatever nonsense they want to charge for.
You old
Love this unbiased and honest buyers guide! Makes me really want a Talaria X. Thanks man
I’m surprised that the Talaria X is actually that good, for the price it’s a steal!!
Unfirtunately in the UK we have to pay near surron prices still but for the better specs, its worth it.
DIY is way better
if u can find one
its just good when buying from Luna Cycles in the US. Everything besides that costs more and has worse performance
@@goinawol9447I bought one today for 3,500 was genuinley suprised thought it would be quite a bit less
Dude, what a beautifully assembled comparison. Straight to the point, all the important specs, but not caught up in the details. I could find something like this for every product decision I tried to make they would all be so much easier. Bravo
Thanks!
bike is $3000 + $300 for shipping and $450 for tax total out the door price is = $3750 for the bike alone. add in a few more hundred for all your gear and add ons :)
450 tax? That would mean you’re paying 15% tax, which is nit accurate. It’s more like 5-8% depending on your state
Welcome to Ontario, Canada
@@jayhayton8852 it’s still 8.75% which is nowhere near the supposed 15%
No buddy. Here in Onterrible it's 13% hst.
for me it's 3,300 including shipping and tax
As someone who recently found your channel i cant but thank you for all this info as i am trying to buy myself a talaria xxx so all this new info has saved me so time on researching
I was going to save up for a SUR - RON X Ebike then I saw your video on the talaria XXX and I know that I am now saving up for that bike as it is cheaper and I am on the younger side so it will be the perfect size for me. :)
The gearbox is a pro for the Sting R....especially for anyone who uses these for offroad use.
How come I thought belt drive was smoother
@@ariminkus2185 The talaria has a sealed gearbox that uses oil, like dirt bikes. This is far better for keeping gunk out of the whole system while running smoother and is less noisy. The sur ron does not have this and uses a belt reduction system instead that is noisy, not lubricated, and has a tendency to snap on technical off road trails.
@@twall4381 thanks I think I will buy the sting r then
@@nxdboichange oil every 5-10000 😂
Thank you for using the water hose to explain. That's exactly what I tell people every time they ask me about volts and amps.
Good review on the bikes, you nailed it perfectly and I think Surron is shooting themselves in the foot for taking away online sales because there are many regions that want the bike but no store around. That's a dumb move if you ask me. I'd rather order something online than drive even 50 miles to go get it and then there's the hurdle of getting it home. If you drive a compact or sport car or something similar it ain't gonna happen.
They are probably considering the regulations and laws that are coming in the next couple years regarding EVs
Well micro mobility EVs or PEVs
thank you from germany for this video it was very helpfull and you explain everything very well
This is a great buyers guide I’ve been saving up for a surron until I’ve seen your reviews on the talaria and this has definitely helped me decide which bike would be the best.I love the great work keep it up.
Me too, it seems talaria is far superior & makes surron look over priced.
@@shockadellick not really, the frame is stronger and heavier on the talaria which translates to better handling when going over technical trail sections. You dont want to go lighter when dirt biking, your bike will hop when hitting rocky sections too fast.
@@shockadellick oh my bad man, thought you were referring to the sting.
@@shockadellick I have a car and just use a dirt bike hitch rack that has a built-in ramp. Very easy
@@shockadellick sting r
Thank you for making this video. I have been saving up for one and have been bouncing around to these terrible "review" (paid shilling) videos all over YT. I finally found your channel which has been a life saver. Preciate it!
Bro he puts so much effort into the videos with every single detail 👏🏻👏🏻that matters and makes sense he is the #1 RUclipsr right now
always love it when Sur Ronster postes hopefully there will be a battiery upgrade for the talaria xxx its perfect for starter riders.
yes ser
Talaria XXX! WHAT A BIKE Can't wait to see this bike in the UK!So glad these bikes are selling for reasonable. Prices as more people can afford to ride them!😁🤘😎🤘
XXX
When they coming do you know?
Never coming to the UK
@@theday2164 yes they are
Had the opportunity to buy one for 2600 quid but im poor so i cant
And now its sold out
@@pluto3747they don’t deliver to uk
Why is surronster better at teaching me than my teacher💯🔛🔝‼️🔥🔥🤓
Awesome review as always!
Sur Ronster always a heavy hitter. Hit all the pros and cons. I never realized they dropped power at 30%. I didn’t realize the Talaria battery rattled.
This makes it so hard to pick. But I’d probably go with either Talaria.
It’s awesome that you stated they are off road bikes but would let someone else cover that. You know your skills. But you can still speak in it’s off road ability. Obviously the Sur Ron wheels feel a bit goofy compared to a larger front wheel and smaller rear wheel like most traditional setups. Supermoto dare VERY fun off road as they slip and slide and are fun but become severely limited when it gets into deep sand or mud. You’re just getting stuck.
On my talaria r the power doesn't drop considerably until 10% and its the same for other people. so I have no idea why surronsters dose this but mine definitely doesn't. and as for the battery rattle it is pretty bad but its an easy fix.
Same bro my talaria doesnt die at 30% either and my battery doesnt rattle because i have space fillers
And i have an R aswell. Its the best
@@colindonnelly69 sometimes power sags aren’t very noticeable, is it possible you it’s not very?
Ahhh, My brother and I have been grinding a buisness to afford a talaria buts it's all sold out! I appreciate the giveaway so people like us could have a chance and hope. Keep up the good work and Thank you for the reviews, really helps me decide what to chsoose.
Talaria X is probably the best option and what I might go for. Thanks for this video now i know which one i should buy.
Pls if I ever got that bike .I would make everyone see how awesome.. It is finding what truly makes you happy... Even dreams can come true even when never gonna be able to afford
You can stop the movement in the battery box movement you have to get stuff from the box that came with an enclosed onto the top part
That battery sag on the Talaria R seems off, like a battery issue. It shouldn't be THAT bad.
I bet you’re right. My talaria r doesn’t sag like that. I have over 600 miles on it.
@@2timothy379 mine too 500 miles and no real sag till 10 percent
The battery rattle issue is ONLY with people who put their ebikes together. I had my Sting R delivered to Luna Cycle and they assembled it and I've never had any rattling or maintenance issues. Rode mines home from the shop
@@headshottrev I have 900 miles on mine and also dont get it until about 10%
You need to leave the battery on the charger after 100% for the first few charges to balance the battery. Assuming this was not done .
Talaria X's difficult battery removal is a pro: it's waaay harder to steal!
I'm new here! Great content! F**k yeah! I'll be upgrading my bikes and sharing new ideas. Just ordered the 2.1 all in one kit! 6000w 76v!
I am watching this amazing review over and over again and still cannot decide 😂 First I was ready to buy XXX, then Sting R was my new champion with quiet gear box and great suspension but now I am for the lightest ultimate machine Sur-Ron.
Same as I. Id like small frame “x” with motor and batery from R.
@@SAAGE_TVwith the price difference in the x vs the r I would just buy the x and use the extra cash to upgrade it to be closer to the power and battery to the r
@@h6k176 Not in our country. The price difference is not so much. Only about 800€. I bought R, and i dont regret. :-)
No one gives better reviews and ride tests. No one comes close to surronster THANKKS! becasue of your morning talaria X review last week i got one b4 they sold out👍🙏
Awwwww your so lucky bro, I was trying to buy one but I missed out!
I bought the Talaria XXX Black Edition on the 4th from lunacycle but no email yet when to go pick it up:(
@@edwardcarrillom They’ll let you know soon👍
This video is great! This is exactly what a lot of people needed
Thank you. Your video quality and the testing and presentation is absolutely top tier. Best out there. Answered all questions immediately. I want a surron or a similar bike to what you’re rockin but the range and weight just don’t cut it for my needs.
Always a good day when Sur Ronster uploads
Check out is down for giveaway entries. Please let us know when it’s back up and running. Great video, great review.
Saw another RUclipsr who tested his Talaria MX4 max range and he rode till the battery died. It was a combination of off roading and street riding. But he didn’t mentioned any power loss after 30% on then battery
I haven't heard anyone else mentioning that after doing range tests either. Interesting to know why / what happened.
I own a Sting R too and I've never experienced power loss like what we saw in this video. I left my ebike stock cuz mods increase range and performance but they also have defects and make your ebike less reliable. Notice the people with the most mods are always breaking down
Yeah sting R doesn’t sag like that I was still going 37 MPH at 17%
Ya its not the case at all. Last weekend i was still able to do big hill climbs while my battery was at 15%. When battery hit 10 percent still had decent torque but speed was capped at like 35 mph.
My r doesn’t have that big of a power loss at 30
I think I know why the triple X is perfect for wheeling. When you pull the wheel up, the battery is vertically upright, which is the heaviest part of the bike. Unlike the Surron and the Talaria R, the battery is vertical with both wheels down for easy removal.
Sur Talariaster doesn't have the same ring to it. :) I think a good way to measure performance offroad is by comparing the travel (mm or inches each bike has front and back), and also how well they handle bumps. A good way is to set up a little loop with whoops and berms and see how each performs time-wise. I think the Talaria Sting R has one advantage and that's an easy life on the front end makes it better for heading over obstacles like logs or curbs.
i agree but it would be Talaria Stingster or Talaria XXXster
Stark varg all day
I’ve been looking to buy a new bike. This video will be extremely helpful. Thank you!
You should compare the mototec 48v, etm mini 5000, and the ebox 2.0 it would be a great video
Another Gr8 review Sur ronster :) I've had my Surron a year now and just no faults with it - it's solid - it's like the Honda of EMB's
"AnD StAY tUNNNNEd" best part of every vid
I have never rode any kind of dirt bike but you make me want to have one and join All the fun and hype
Solid review bro, thank you for taking your time and explaining everything!
Bro I’ve watched this video like 3x just because no one does in depth reviews of the talaria xxx
Idk if you bumped eco or something is wrong with yours but on my talaria r you have good wheelie power down to 20%, and top speed of around 45 at 30% or 38 at 20%. Also the rear wheel does not need to be removed to take the battery out on the xxx, only the bottom shock bolt. Then the whole swingarm rotates out of the way.
xxx Battery removal: ruclips.net/video/YGMb1x6euW8/видео.html
Edit: coming home from my second ride today I stopped for a while then continued at about 25% battery to make it home with 19%. At 19% battery I was still able to hit mid 40s mph. I'm wondering if somehow the controller is setup where the battery needs to break in or something it almost seems to be giving me more power for longer the more cycles I run through the battery. Odd behavior but not unwelcome. Could also potentially be the motor/controller/battery cooling to the point where they give full power again even down low, I did notice on a long road ride when the motor was hot I thought it was about dead at 30% but today coming back at 20% it had more balls then it did the week prior at 30% on main roads.
most likely because he was riding with the throttle pinned for 14 miles straight, most likely a saftey precaution
@@zenzsa5778 probably thermal yes
Needed and have been looking for one for forever! Thank you so much and know you hold the spot for E-Moto king in my list! Love your videos and keep up the incredible work!
The Talaria XXX,seems perfect for me at 140lbs.
I’m 100 pandas and 5,3 do you think it will be way to big for me
The amount of dedication this man put into his life and video has to be noticed and appreciated.
That’s really weird your talaria r power sags so bad. Mine still pulls hard even at %20
11:55 you really see the size difference in the bikes. The talaria r in my eyes is more of a electric dirt bike than any of the others, with the power, weight, and size, where as the others are closer to electric mountain bikes
Stark varg all day
Appreciate you doing this video really helps a lot 👍🏽
You should do a review on the solar p1 pro e scooter. It does 50 mph and is really cheap
He already did
Just bought a xxx can't wait for the weekend🤞
That power sag on the talaria r is concerning. Does it still take a while to get down to 30% though?
There was something wrong with his sting r my sting r goes all the way down to 5% before the power drops a lot.
There's got to be something wrong with his. Mine doesn't respond anything like that at 30%
@@phildo1048 maybe it’s because he was pinning it the whole time for the test
@@rideout_ryan maybe an overheating issue then? I've had my battery down into single digits a couple times and it's not as bad as he showed.
@@phildo1048 yea something to do with how he rode it on that charge.
Great comparison video! All the questions I have are all answered! Great job man!
is the sting r the mx4?
Yes
no isn’t that a seperate type of talaria there’s sting r, mx4 and mx5
@bukishka-f4rno the sting r and mx4 are the same thing and the mx5 is a different bike
@@TimmyBarthomew thxs yeah ur correct i was thinking about sting being the same as mx3 not mx4 and sting r is the same as mx4
I really want to enter the Talaria giveaway, but it says you can't ship to Australia.
You should do those comparason's but with the bike's upgraded
I’m definitely scooping the talaria x 🤘🏾⚡️
does the king respond?
Idk
Bro doing tricks on it
@@David-1-2-7 on what
prolly not
@@uhsleep_cr6155 his private surron
The reason why I need a surron ebike because I'm trying to get out a lot more then staying inside all day
I dont know what to take between the Sur Ron Light Bee X and the Talaria X3 Concept ... omg
Such a difficult choices even after that video ahaha thank you for that content !
Im in love with supermotos n this channel just takes the cake lol
Omg I would love to get into this kind of bike ride I ride a Harley Davidson and am 54 years old and would love it…..
hey i am 13 years old and have always dreamed of having a e bike... i love your videos
No wonder the Talaria XXX is sold out, Sur Ronster bought them all...:) Another great video SR.
I would love the red one !!!!! I’m the biggest fan man I’ve been wanting an ebike for so so long
ive had mine at 20 percent and never noticed power sag like you mentioned at 9:20 i get full power all the way down to 1 percent which was proven at lunacycle video too.
I love you Sur Ronster with all your videos And I love your Content❤❤❤
Awesome video man! I really need to find a surron "x"!
It's a very good comparison clip. I thank you for making good videos.
The best independent creator out there right now ❤
amazingly informational video. couldn’t have asked for anything more as someone looking to buy one of these
The Surron Is My Favorite It Has A Special Place In My Heart Its So Beautiful And When I Started Watching Sur Ronster When I Saw It I Fell In Love With It❤❤😊
OMG NO WAY YOU RESPONDED, OMG THIS THE FIRST TIME OMG IM SO SHOCKED❤❤😮
Nice good vid keep up the good work
At the sur-ron you can just cut the blue cable in half, wich leeds to the battery and shortly before battery the blue cable makes a loop and doesn't go to the battery. Then you unlock the speed limiter
You are awesome I love your video I need one of those talaria !!
yo sur ronster i love your vids becaus of you i bought my surron and i love it
You should do a dirt review with these bikes! i like ur vids and your entertaining and knowledgeable! good job!
Hey Sur Ronster im currently saving u for either a talaria X or a Sur ron im 5'5 and was wondering which one you think i should get my parents cant afford one so im saving up its going to take 4 years to save up for even the Talaria X
Just wondering for your opinion and i watch all of your vids keep up the good work
I love your videos never been actually able to afford to buy me a e Bike
Not the same motor! This was the main selling point for many out there, very misleading. Same technology does not mean the same actual physical motor. It uses the same technology, but it is not the same motor. So, this was the main selling point in evaluating its value. Otherwise, there is no way that any upgrade can make up the 1000$ difference between the XXX and the Sting R. You get so much more from buying the Sting R, just that is an upgrade worth more than 2000$ in difference. Then you have the better suspension and so on. The XXX is a great package for the value, but if you want an instant upgrade then the Sting R is right there for you. And it has far more potential from the "cheap" upgrades. Simple controller upgrade on the Sting R would require a motor upgrade on the XXX. The motor upgrade is not even a simple bolt on, you have to modify the frame most of the time.
Love ur content but i want to know whats a Great first bike
Good comparison. Talaria R seems like my speed, but that sag at 30% is crazy. Hopefully you just have one with a battery issue.
Brooo just getting into the E-bike scene ! I need this giveaway !😭
I love your vids so much your the reason I might get a bike but first ima enter the giveaway just in case and the humor
Hi I am a really big fan I was wondering if you can do video on the surron light bee thx
Awesome video… been looking for more comparisons
brother, I need one of these so freaking bad. I would enter the giveaway had I come across your channel earlier
Yo bro yours videos or the best and i hop you get to 1m 🎉 subscribers and have a good day
I love your videos man keep up the work 😊
loved the vid. Geat info fo us buyers. thanks!!
Good Video do you like the Surron better than the Talarias?
I love the fact the giveaways are getting better, maybe soon in the future I’ll enter one once I see something a like! 👍
I never ever get that in my life because I feel like nobody helps me for stuff but I was trying so hard to get this one
V and A = w and using the water analogy is pretty good
Great Video! Quick Question why will the Sur Ron X be hard to get online in the near future?
love ur vids man❤❤❤
Surronster I don’t know if I should save for a xxx or eride pro as can you post a short of you racing the two pls
Pro ss from e-ride seems tu best option the only weak spot seems to be the Battery loses power sooner than the talaria and surron . id wait for the Talaria dragon and see what the price tag is on that .