An In-Depth Bryce Young Breakdown: How His Size Defines His Play | The Play Sheet
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- Опубликовано: 31 окт 2024
- Alabama QB Bryce Young is the favorite to be the no. 1 pick in the 2023 NFL draft, but his size, or lack thereof, precedes him. The Ringer’s Ben Solak shares an in-depth film breakdown of how Young’s size defines his play, both good and bad, and how he might fare in the NFL.
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As it's a Bryce Young video, this should've been shorter.
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I need more Solak breakdowns more often. I'm open to cloning if required
I think the difference in dropbacks between Bryce and Brees has a lot to do with their offensive backgrounds, not their 2-inch (at most) height difference. Brees came up when even QBs in spread offenses took most snaps from under center, so he got in the habit of making traditional dropbacks. Bryce has never taken substantial under-center (or even pistol) snaps, and there’s less of a reason to use a traditional dropback from the shotgun. Bryce’s dropback probably does help his vision, but if Brees (who did have some problems seeing and throwing short over the OL at times) hadn’t developed when traditional dropbacks were the only option, he might have have utilized a dropback similar to Bryce in order to see better. Maybe this would have been an issue with his timing, and maybe it’s one for Bryce. But it seems like an issue that is easily corrected if it becomes a major problem. If missing the occasional open receiver will get him better timing, then I’m sure that’s a trade that he’ll make.
This feels really nitpicky to me. I don't think he could have done too much different with that Tennessee throw
I agree.
It was a third and 10 and he converted.
With pressure in his face.
Love the content Ben! Keep them coming.
You are without a doubt, the best analyst/commentator I've seen. Much better than NFL / NCAA high budget personalities.
Thank you for doing what you love. It's obvious.👍🏻
I will take a undersized football savant that is calm under pressure over a panicking statue who thinks he should take shots because he is tough enough to take em. I saw enough hits on Bryce Young to see he knows how to go down and mitigate the straight on shots that actually create serious injuries. No1 Overall without a doubt. Ask Andrew Luck how thinking you can and should take the big hits worked out.
I don't know, i watched him take a lot of unnecessarily punishing hits against LSU and Tennessee this year.
Panthers GM Scott Fitterer says the team has gotten “clarity” through the scouting process since the Combine but hasn’t made their decision on the No. 1 pick yet. Board will be finalized in the coming days.
Fitterer is taking Stroud, bottom line, they ain't taking Young, he's going to drop, just like he will be dropping behind the line of scrimmage and getting clobbered. NFL is SO much faster, he's doomed.
that processing test scores coming out was the start of C.J's decline
@@twebb32 you are right, he's falling according to news today
@@dabneyoffermein595yup. They didn’t give the haul to move to one of a qb that’s destined to miss time hurt…just look at Tua
@@twebb32 Zurlein wrecked him
This turned out to be a SPOT ON analysis. Bryce's drop back has caused real issues. He literally drops back on his tip toes which causes not a slower delivery but makes it harder for him to escape the rush. He's had numerous sacks where he simply wasn't able to transition from his tip toes to his feet in time to escape. What a mess.
I could be wrong but maybe his slow drop back was on purpose because in 2022 his receivers struggled to get seperation and with drops
Fantastic unbiased channel. Salute!!!
Agreed, it’s hard to find football analyses where the creators opinion doesn’t drown out one side or another, I like the balance of praise and criticism
Shouldn’t this just be titled “why I don’t like Bryce young” 😂
Just the first half
Ringer, YOU sir hit the nail on the head. This is what i been saying for years. And more specifically how to evaluate. Not be stats, not by system they are in, not by conference they played in. You outlined what this player's skill set is. His physical traits and how they blend into his skill sets.
I feel like very few people actually understand how to evaluate. Mostly all we hear is football Jargin and catch phrases learned over years. Or some chart showing a John Madden break down ranking each trait INSTEAD of understanding the anatomy of traits.
Well done!... and i mean i value this over the major major talking heads.
Couldn't agree more - well-said, my man!
you thought you ate
😂😂😂😂😂😂I already know that you’re the kind of guy that when someone disagrees with you, “ they just don’t understand he game like you”. Meanwhile you and the kid in this video have never stepped foot on a football field your entire life. I made sure to not use any “football jargon” so you could understand exactly what I said.
@@johnbrooks756 Not sure how to reply to this seeing as my responds to this video was positive and in agreement with the thought process. ... And that i was actually showing a positive responds to well thought out explaining.
Interesting responds to someone who agreed with the video lol.
Numerous league insiders believe the Carolina Panthers are locking into putting Bryce Young’s name on their card for the first overall pick of the 2023 NFL draft. But according to general manager Scott Fitterer, that’s not the case just yet.
He kinda has to say that, no? It’d be odd to just flat out say it
@im_waffles he could though it's not like someone can jump in front of us
There certainly is a lot that isn't conventional about Young's game. But there are exceptions, and if you think a guy can be special, you gotta take him. Drafting players, let alone QBs is a crapshoot anyway, and if you get it wrong, you can just try again in a few years. The thing is, if Young ends up succeeding, no one's going to care how small he is, and the size excuse is going to seem ridiculous. DeVonta Smith was insanely small for a receiver coming out and there were questions about his ability to get off press. It turns out that he's such a good route runner and so quick that it makes getting jammed a non factor. Guys can adjust their play style. And it's not like there's a sure thing in the rest of the class. Stroud has questions about how much of his production was tied to the ohio state system, and frankly, arm strength and mobility concerns as well. Levis and Richardson are both incredibly raw and were not very good last year. Bryce did it with an average at best supporting cast and scheme, and he continually showed insane poise in the biggest moments. And from everything we can tell, his character is off the charts. It's a risk, but I think it's a risk you gotta take.
The tackle did not blow the protection @ 14:00. He went after the inside/most dangerous guy. You should know very well that-on an outside blitz-the outside guy (who has the longest route to the quarterback) is the quarterback’s responsibility.
The right guard kicks out, the right tackle kicks in. It’s on the tackle. The guard as the end with his hand in the dirt. The tackle has the stand up rusher
Great content!
Nice vid, but you are over analyzing Bryce, his motion in the pocket is a natural. He's being himself and throwing the football and it works for him
Someone in Carolina should have watched this video before trading the farm for Bryce Young.
It’s hard to trust anyone who thinks Anthony Richardson has a chance.
AR-15 has running capability, that will bail him out like it did Hurts in his first year, like it did Fields in his first year and like many others. then in years two and beyond, they learn the game of the REAL NFL
But he was BAD in college. Those other guys weren’t.
@@briantate7439Josh Allen was.
@@dabneyoffermein595 Those guys were waaaaay better than Richardson was in college. Even if you account for the difference in his supporting cast, the guy couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.
If he goes to a good coach that sits him his first year he absolutely has a chance
Drew Brees was 6'0. If that's "short" for a QB, then 5'10 Bryce is tiny, not just "short."
A lot of plays on here I don't see him getting away with it in the NFL I just don't 🤷🏾♂️
Benny Boy on that Scott Steiner sauce with all this talk about SIZE 🍆🍆🍆🍆
Question: Could Bryce see over the line at Alabama??? I don't think that was an issue. What all of a sudden NFL players bigger. Hell there are some college players bigger than some in the NFL...😂😂😂
Panthers O Line is actually shorter on average than Bama’s too. He only had 2 batted passes in his college career as well.
@@Bigthursdayfan ✌
I was listening to what you said until you compared his arm strength to Burrow and Hurts. Those guys are both so much larger and able to launch and bullet that ball down the field. Kyler Murray would have been a more appropriate comparison for many reasons.
Panthers are one of my two favorite teams. After watching this I'm not sold on Young; I never really was. I would draft Anthony Richardson
Still Disagree but very interesting analysis that made me rethink some things
If Carolina takes Bryce it will set the franchise back years. Take CJ. Don’t make the mistake with Young.
At every level of football he's played at he always proved his doubters wrong. You don't become a 5 star recruit playing in the SEC at Bama and becoming a Heisman trophy winner by accident
CJ is a good QB, until he's pressured. Last year he was in the bottom 10% of QB's in college under pressure. That will not translate well to the NFL.
This is HORRIBLE!!! For you to bring up 3rd & 10 conversion with pressure in his face where the runner got some YAC is utterly ridiculous. that's borderline clownish. lmao
I thought I was tripping to dog, Brodie just needed some content and made some shit up lmao
“Bryce is short, inaccurate, bad arm, but he should be #1!” What are you talking about lol. Bryce should be #1 but if your gonna shit on him all video atleast have enough conviction to say he shouldn’t.
Anthony Richardson no matter what is exactly appropriate. Develop someone ffs. These Bama qbs used to be considered finish products and picked late and now they're being talked about in top 15 despite some big deficiencies.
The Bama QB's suffer from same problem as university of Miami QB's post 90's. So much talent on team makes QB look a little better than they are. QB's aren't use to multiple games with hits from a bad line or no run game or little wr talent. Just have things to good in college nor ready for a bad pro team at all.
@@bryanttisdale2446 You clearly didn’t watch Bama in 2021 or 2022. That 2021 OL was atrocious except for Evan Neal. Bryce took a real beating. The 2022 OL was decent but still not nearly up to Bama standards. The issue was the opposite with the WRs. In 2021, Bama had two elite WRs (except in the championship game). In 2022, the WR corps was pretty average. There were some highly-ranked guys, but their play didn’t match their hype. Tua, Mac, and Jalen had MUCH better personnel around them than Bryce Young did.
@Thomas Hillebrand Richardson has the best physical talent by far, but he is a massive project. He is far, far behind where a guy like Jalen Hurts was entering the league, and Hurts needed a lot of work and a great supporting cast to get where he is. Richardson wasn’t even a competent passer at Florida.
@BlueMarlin81 For Bama Standards yeah not up to Standards. A Duke or Texas tech that isn't that level of pro line prospects, NO. It's not David Carr Great #1 Prospect with great Tools. Texans 60+ sacks back to back years.
Bryce Young at Bama 18 sacks. Not as bad as what could be.
@@bryanttisdale2446 Bama was 120th in sacks allowed in the 2021 season with 41 total. It wasn’t just bad by Bama standards. It was bad by anyone’s standards. And Bryce still put up absurd numbers and won the Heisman.
Duke or Texas Tech don’t have as much talent as even a bad Bama OL, but they don’t face nearly the same level of defensive talent either. The opposition matters.
No one ever said Bryce had elite physical tools. But he does have pretty good ones, and elite mental tools. And there’s no question he carried the Bama offense the last 2 seasons. You seem to have just come in with a bunch of preconceived notions about Alabama based on its success over the last 15 years without bothering to actually do any research.
Some great analysis. Teams that are dominant like , most talented college team 2000's Miami hurricanes, Reggio Bush USC the QB's don't have to be as accurate, line leaves them with few games that they will take repeated NFL hits week after week. So the QB's flaws aren't a problem. When the hit the League it is spotlighted! Size (you take hits every week)
Accurate pasa (windows are a foot wide not feet)
Reading defense (QB needs to do it themselves not coach, needs to clearly identify defense in seconds or u aren't going to be successful).
That is somewhat accurate, but not entirely in Bryce’s case. Bryce had a pretty terrible OL in his Heisman season, except for Evan Neal. The right side was a turnstile and he got hit far more than prior Bama QBs. Things improved in 2022 but the OL still wasn’t what Bama is used to. You’re right that he’ll need to put the ball in tighter windows though. He wasn’t as good as Tua and Mac with his ball placement on intermediate and crossing routes, where you really need to be very accurate. To me, it always seemed like it was more of an issue with him holding the ball a bit too long and waiting for the WR to get open instead of anticipating the WR’s breaks, as opposed to a genuine ball placement issue. (Perhaps it does have something to do with his footwork, as the video claims.). He can put the ball where he wants it with the best of them when he is confident in his read and sets his feet though. Bryce had two elite WRs in 2021 who really helped him out, but there was a massive drop-off in 2022 due to some bad evals in the previous few WR classes, and youth among the guys with real talent. Still, Bryce has a lot of qualities that don’t come along very often and that can’t really be taught. He’s worth the risk, especially now that the rookie wage scale keeps a bad first round pick from putting you in salary cap hell for 5 years.
I'm pretty sure a 6'1 QB still can't see over the line
brees, kyler, russ all taller, sturdier frames. Bryce young great college player, but will be a colossal bust in the NFL. Small, not amazing athleticism, ok arm. Steph curry comparisons are off because basketball is not football. Wayyy less contact in today's basketball.
Nobody is comparing that. Idk what your even talking about lol
@@thewind6047some tv analysts have compared BY to steph curry in that they were both doubted for being small-ish prospects. Steph curry revolutionized the nba, theyre thinking bryce young will do the same with the NFL.
Kyler isn’t really taller, and while those guys have sturdier frames (or more accurately, have filled out their frames more) than Young has now, only Wilson was that developed in college. Bryce has already put on 10-15 pounds in order to protect himself, and while I’m sure not all of it is “good weight” since he put it on in a hurry, there’s no reason to think he can’t do so in the future. He’s only 21 years old, and most guys continue to develop physically into their mid-20s, especially in an NFL strength program. And it’s not as if he’s been injury-prone like Tua was. Bryce had one shoulder injury in 2 years starting in a conference that’s about as close as you’re going to get to the NFL as far as size/speed. And contrary to popular belief, his OL was actually pretty bad apart from a couple of players, and he got hit A LOT in his Heisman season.
That said, his height does limit him somewhat, and that was true at Bama as well. He has trouble seeing WRs on quick slants across the middle, which is one reason that play was largely absent after Tua and Mac had so much success with it. He needs to be in the right offense that will move him around to help him see the field. But in the right situation, he can be very good. He has a mind for football that you just can’t teach, and a good (but not elite) arm that will get better as he gets stronger.
I don't see any plays he have directly under Center
wait kyler murray is bigger than him ??
The thoughtful nature of Young's game is less teachable and more promising to me. I would rather take on the risk of Young for is mind and try to see if the team can build up some muscle on him and, if needed, put some heel risers into his cleats, than take a QB who I hope can develop their understanding of the game. Overall, I think Houston is going to take him and we are going to have some more Desaun type years where the promise of the QB is there while the overall structure of the team lets him down.
I think Stroud is going to be too appealing to a team that has a demonstrated history of hoping for the absolute be from a QB. I think we're likely going to watch a Stroud deal with some Fields like highs and lows. Like Fields, I think Stroud is locked in on his first receiver for too long and locks in too quickly. There will be wow moments, but the team isn't good, so those moments are going to come in the midst of lot of 50% completion games. But unlike Fields, I think Stroud won't be able to run his way past those issues to expend the debate about his promise and his ceiling into a second contract.
@ja Bryce is natural and instinctive the way a person sees things in their head through study. Stroud is stiff. He looks at Ryan Day and doesn’t have to figure anything out a la Goff with McVay. Also all the other stuff you hear about how Bryce got the game plan digested and he’s sharing his pass protection concerns and some plays and concepts are gonna be problematic. History and common sense tells us only one quarterback is gonna make it. Got my money on Bryce cause it’s 2023 and not 1983. GL JoM
Milk
Is this ringer guy a shorty? He is totally obsessed with height. Like absolutely obsessed. Some of Young's play is affected by height, but what this dude did is take balls that were slightly off target and streeeetch to find a way to connect it to his height.
So there are times when Young hits those exact same throws perfectly in stride....so was he taller for those throws?
Part of what he missed is Young's height also adds to his ability to quickly change direction, and evade. Because his cat like movements, the DL finds it self reaching over OL trying to get a hand on him, but he's to low to grab.
No one knows how his style of play will translate, but someone has to be the shortest QB in the league. The shortest so far have actually had longer careers. As a Panther's fan we know all to well, having one of the biggest QB's is no guarantee of longevity.
Thank you! I thought I was trippin
In great systems and teams flaws can be hidden. Love this analysis, at the next level he will not have the same time to throw as he did at Alabama. Guy had all day to throw the football
Alabama offensive line was not good this past year particularly.
Gotta think about how good the panthers o line is tho
Bama was 120th in sacks allowed in Bryce’s Heisman season. He got sacked 41 times, which is a ton for a college QB. Seems like you’re making assumptions without having watched many of his games.
Watch the game
Nitpicking for sure, players like Bryce usually figure it out at the next level. He's not a finished product
The ringer as a publication has been so anti Young as a whole. That Ruiz dude is a clown.
Yes Ruiz is a clown. Man he's a clown.
Shoutout Cocomelon
he's such a little dude. they types of players don't last in the NFL unless you are at least 6 foot tall (Drew Brees). Players under 6 are destined to fail at the QB position.
Brees and Wilson the exceptions
Both of whom are bigger & stronger
I'm so happy to see that someone is pointing out the exact reasons I say I don't think young is the right pick for the Panthers. His play action and the receivers he miss are a huge problem. Him not seeing receivers is because of his height. Then he makes a play after he misses his receivers, and people say wow did you see what he did.
@@coachYteFrank Reich ain’t picking a midget qb. Not gonna happen.
Hating ahh boa
Great vid I'm a die hard panther fan Young will not make it in the NFL we should draft Stroud
They will
Stroud is slower, less mobile, slower reaction and his performance under pressure was worse than literally 90% of QB in college.
@@keeppounding1331milk
Love the video, thank you for giving a balanced take on Bryce Young. I lean towards he’ll be a bust cus all of his best plays look like backyard football. Justin Fields gets run down by NFL D-Lineman.
You’re definitely not in-tuned with his actual skill set than. He’s more than backyard football player to say the least maybe you don’t hold him in high regard.
@@Laabby17 He has a weak arm, plays way too off structure, can't stay in the pocket to save his life, and inconsistent on deep throws.
@@jeremyruzas733 “can’t play in the pocket” wtff😭😭have you watched him he’s lethal on the pocket