I realized the power when I received mine also. Got mine in a 25 cal for ammo cost. Basically had to turn the reg down to 120 and the power wheel down 10 clicks just to get it under 1000 fps with 33 grain pellets. Out the box it was pushing 48 grain slugs @ 900 fps. 48 is not a misprint !!! 34 grain pellets/slugs were going sub sonic. I think I will mainly use it for slug shooting because of the power. Even at 28 grain pellets flying at 980 fps, the gun was accurate @ 55 yrds. I got to have a shoot off with this gun and my 25 cal Impact, and my Hercules Bully. Should be a lot of fun between the three pushing 40 grain slugs.
@@anthonygillespie7233 is it loud in .25? how many joule you have for this speed?and that shot count?id you have chance to shoot huben k1 to compare them?
These western rifles are awesome, I have a .45 .35 .30 rattler . Just recently received those and the guys a AOA did some custom ceracote on them and they are beautiful, I am sure they would send you pics if you want to see them. I also just received a 25 compact with a laminate stock on it and it’s very cool, I liked it so much I ordered a .30 compact and they are going to do a ceracote and a laminate stock on it also. I saw the gentleman’s comment about being ugly, and I couldn’t disagree more. The only thing I don’t like about the rifle is the shoulder pad, it’s not awful but I am not crazy about it. The wood or laminate stock fixes that for me. My 22 sidewinder I have had to longest and started me down the western road and I am totally hooked. Jake at AOA has helped me a bunch, but I have talked to most of the guys there and they are all knowledgeable and helpful. On another note , my favorite air rifle at this point (not in semi) is the DAYSTATE Wolverine, and I see AOA has a sale on the LIMITED Blue one at $ 1k off, that is the bargain of the year in a premium quality rifle. Thanks to the entire AOA staff for all there help!
why did you stop at 33.9 grains for .25? im guessing you can get more power with heavier pellets at .25. I always wondered why the .22 and .25 max power numbers were so close on this airgun, this makes sense now.
Good review! I like the fact that you can remove the magazine to ensure the gun is clear. That's a big concern I have with the Rattler, but hopefully they'll eventually fix that. What is the maximum slug length the mag will accept, and how far past the moderator would the 700 cc bottle protrude?
Not really. It bears a superficial resemblance to the Impact, but then most bullpup PCP airguns these days look vaguely like the Impact but the actual mechanical guts of the Impact is night vs day different in terms of design and function. There's the most obvious difference, that the Impact is a lever-operated repeater while the Western Sidewinder is a self-loading automatic with a full "rock 'n' roll" switch. If you want to talk similarities, the Western Rattler and all of their other models are actually--I'll say this as politely as I can--a 'variation" on the original Huben semiauto air rifle. Not sure how Western gets away with making air rifles that are essentially exact duplicates of the Huben but Western is getting away with it so far. Maybe the patents filed on the original Huben are a bit weak. Or maybe Huben--a first-of-its-kind innovative airgun--failed to have any patents filed on it at all. If so, it was not an intellectually brilliant move. Having said all that, and without being able to handle or shoot either the Western or Huben, I will say that the Western appears to be a nicer piece of work. And Western has come up with its own set of modifications that greatly improve upon the original Huben design. For instance, a nice, simply, mechanically robust, and REMOVABLE magazine. something none of the Hubens I'm aware of have adopted. If I were buying, I'd probably go Western. But I would feel entirely comfortable dropping money on a Huben, too. Both are nice. Even if both are so expensive it will make you gag up on your Wheaties if you're shopping while eating breakfast.
At the premium price point of this gun, it should have a match grade 2-stage trigger, IMO. Overall though, looks like a heck of a gun. Would love to have one.
Why can't you turn the regulator pressure down under pressure? The manual also says you should only turn the pressure up when the gun has pressure. I can't figure out why either of these things makes sense though.
The air pressure makes friction on the adjuster seal. In order to reduce the pressure you would have to overcome all that pressure to force it back. On the other side, increasing is low friction on the seal, so you can move it and the air pressure will increase to fill the space.
@@airgunsofarizona Ok I think I see why I wasn't understanding. When you look at a typical diagram of a regulator it shows a diaphragm with a pressure relief valve, whereas a HPA regulator uses a piston with seals, and if I understand you correctly it's those seals that can get damaged since the piston will move a bunch if you turn the pressure down.
💡The very best thing I've seen in this video is that you showed us the max speed AND the weight of the pellets that this airgun can produce, instead of just saying "this gun makes ___foot pounds" like MOST of the idiotics do!👍 I can't stand it when these nuts over here in America adopts that stupid foot pound crapp, and not say the weight and speed🤮
He didn't really tell you the max speed or fps. Believe me, I have it in 25 cal and they said the max fps was I thing was 1035 fps and I can honestly say they were holding back. Maybe because if they really said what the max fps was it would bring ATF into play. Out the box it was pushing 34 grain slugs super sonic which is why I had to turn the reg down and the power wheel down. Gun is a BEAST !!! PUSHING 48 GRAIN SLUGS @ 900 fps out of the box, so you know what it was pushing 38 grain or less at
@@Brianbri-nq3cc Yep, its a sweet ass gun. Unbelievable power. I got it in I guess full size, not the compact and it delivers. Full auto is extra just in case you were to get in a bind or need to drop more than one animal like a pack of coyotes or wild hogs.
@@anthonygillespie7233 Yes the only reason I'd be tempted to spend the amount of money that they charge for this airgun is for pure unadulterated power😂👍 There's so many people that spend big money on certain airguns just impress other men, and the airguns can't even produce the power that a lot of lower priced airguns can, and they use that sorry excuse of shooting 800 to 850fps being the best speed😵💫 The numbers that you've stated that this airgun can produce is phenomenal and that's what I'm looking for, THANKS👍🏼
@@Brianbri-nq3cc Well I don't think you would be disappointed if you are looking for power, but its also accurate as hell. I wanted something in full auto for fun and hunting purpose and it fits both narratives for myself. It's like knowing you have a jag that'll run over 160 mph but you wont run it that fast unless it was necessary. If I was up against a bear or herd of wild hogs, then that when I would cut loose on full auto.
Wow. The accuracy on full auto for 50 yd was horrible.😂 This is a better gun than my blitz.On most parts. However! My full auto Is accuracy on the blitz is SO Much better Then the Sidewinder because my cycle rate is so much faster, It hits bullet on bullet even in the full auto. So the accuracy in full auto is concerning
I'm sorry, but to me, it looks so ugly. Especially with that big ol scope. I think it would look so much better with a pistol scope on it. Dot get me wrong... the full size looks amazing, but that thing just looks ugly with the barrel being shorter than the length of the bottle.
@Brianbri-nq3cc Here goes the LGBTQ. Lmao! Take that biblical bs to the pastor. Nobody wants to hear what you have to say. Why are you even looking at guns if you are so-called religious? Get the f outta here hypocrite. Also, if it looks so dang pleasing and functions so we'll where is yours? Take that shh to the church.
Love my .30 mini! ruclips.net/video/9duInrjPxDs/видео.htmlsi=frxpr7fgnaYqSxUB 12 rounds at 30 yards with fx 50.2gr @ 70 fpe in opening clip on a 2 inch circle.
@ChrisFord-wh1gl thats a thing ive noticed with 99.9% of airguns they hit the nail on the head for absolutely everything except one thing and its a real shame really but nothing a bit of tuning from an experienced gunsmith cannot fix, its a real shame you have to do that but i guess with any piece of equipment you have to fit it to suit yourself and your needs
AOA I just picked up the sidewinder .30 Mini! Thank you for the great support as always!
I just got my sidewinder compact in 30 caliber and I love it ,it has so much power it ridiculous.i love everything about it and the case is great.
I realized the power when I received mine also. Got mine in a 25 cal for ammo cost. Basically had to turn the reg down to 120 and the power wheel down 10 clicks just to get it under 1000 fps with 33 grain pellets. Out the box it was pushing 48 grain slugs @ 900 fps. 48 is not a misprint !!! 34 grain pellets/slugs were going sub sonic. I think I will mainly use it for slug shooting because of the power. Even at 28 grain pellets flying at 980 fps, the gun was accurate @ 55 yrds. I got to have a shoot off with this gun and my 25 cal Impact, and my Hercules Bully. Should be a lot of fun between the three pushing 40 grain slugs.
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Any issues with it ?
@@ajp368 None so far. Still pushing 40 grains @ 975 fps for a 25 cal is awesome and I have turned the power/reg down.
@@anthonygillespie7233 is it loud in .25? how many joule you have for this speed?and that shot count?id you have chance to shoot huben k1 to compare them?
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The pullpup design is gorgeous
Your analysis of the power wheel is 100% accurate💥😂👍🏽👍🏼👍🏿👍🏾👍
Found my next air rifle guys. Thanks for a great video.
Do you own a Hatsan Blitz?
Can you guys make a maintenance, disassembly and O-ring replacement video like the ones for the Sk-19 please.
Great review and really like this gun
These western rifles are awesome, I have a .45 .35 .30 rattler . Just recently received those and the guys a AOA did some custom ceracote on them and they are beautiful, I am sure they would send you pics if you want to see them. I also just received a 25 compact with a laminate stock on it and it’s very cool, I liked it so much I ordered a .30 compact and they are going to do a ceracote and a laminate stock on it also. I saw the gentleman’s comment about being ugly, and I couldn’t disagree more. The only thing I don’t like about the rifle is the shoulder pad, it’s not awful but I am not crazy about it. The wood or laminate stock fixes that for me. My 22 sidewinder I have had to longest and started me down the western road and I am totally hooked. Jake at AOA has helped me a bunch, but I have talked to most of the guys there and they are all knowledgeable and helpful. On another note , my favorite air rifle at this point (not in semi) is the DAYSTATE Wolverine, and I see AOA has a sale on the LIMITED Blue one
at $ 1k off, that is the bargain of the year in a premium quality rifle. Thanks to the entire AOA staff for all there help!
Not anymore not seeing that sale
I have a screenshot on my phone now. It’s in the Specials tab on there website, I just look 5 minutes ago. Send me your email and I’ll send it to you
You just fell for a marketing gimmick.
AOA’s “sale price” is the same normal daily price as other vendors 😂
The best airgun. simple but beautiful
Thanks for the video. I always wanted to know shot count & energy for all three calibers.👍
why did you stop at 33.9 grains for .25? im guessing you can get more power with heavier pellets at .25. I always wondered why the .22 and .25 max power numbers were so close on this airgun, this makes sense now.
I can’t wait to get this , I’m tired of cheap plastic mags with spring tension!!!
Good review! I like the fact that you can remove the magazine to ensure the gun is clear. That's a big concern I have with the Rattler, but hopefully they'll eventually fix that. What is the maximum slug length the mag will accept, and how far past the moderator would the 700 cc bottle protrude?
Iam impressed. 🎯
Beautiful PCP
🤠 30 cal review would be great 👍
Hello, hope to get your help, may I ask how this pcp can distinguish his authenticity?
I really like it
Does it like lightweight slugs? Like the FX hybrids?
He didn't mention it, so I don't think you could change caliber on that. It would have made it more interesting, though.
What brand of 56 grain slug were you using in the .30 cal?
At least they have faith in their product that it can take a 300bar fill
It's basically a more compact semi/full auto FX Impact design
Not really. It bears a superficial resemblance to the Impact, but then most bullpup PCP airguns these days look vaguely like the Impact but the actual mechanical guts of the Impact is night vs day different in terms of design and function. There's the most obvious difference, that the Impact is a lever-operated repeater while the Western Sidewinder is a self-loading automatic with a full "rock 'n' roll" switch. If you want to talk similarities, the Western Rattler and all of their other models are actually--I'll say this as politely as I can--a 'variation" on the original Huben semiauto air rifle. Not sure how Western gets away with making air rifles that are essentially exact duplicates of the Huben but Western is getting away with it so far. Maybe the patents filed on the original Huben are a bit weak. Or maybe Huben--a first-of-its-kind innovative airgun--failed to have any patents filed on it at all. If so, it was not an intellectually brilliant move.
Having said all that, and without being able to handle or shoot either the Western or Huben, I will say that the Western appears to be a nicer piece of work. And Western has come up with its own set of modifications that greatly improve upon the original Huben design. For instance, a nice, simply, mechanically robust, and REMOVABLE magazine. something none of the Hubens I'm aware of have adopted. If I were buying, I'd probably go Western. But I would feel entirely comfortable dropping money on a Huben, too. Both are nice. Even if both are so expensive it will make you gag up on your Wheaties if you're shopping while eating breakfast.
will this kill a gopher at 50 yards ? in .22 cal ?
Yes, with power to spare.
Yes. Probably a coyote
Im up in the air between this and fx impact 4.
Which one did you end up buying
where can we get them in the UK and EU?
J-Rod, is 'Bugsy Malone'
will a 450 tank fit this rifle.?
What's the size of the plenum ? How Many CC's ?
720
Drool, yummy, take my money!
How can I get this air gun from u? I'm from india
VideobShow amigo parabéns pelo conteúdo lik gratuito. Qual o preço dessa arma ?
So don’t drop the magazine!
How much is it ?
Please what about price
They have a wood stock for it to make it look even better.
How bout a wood trigger. Wood is a trigger
Why do air guns have optics mounted a foot above the grip? Looks like more parallax than necessary.
👍👍👍👍
How much its cost?
this airgun looks verry tall,i have huben k1,i dont now do i want this or not,mabe in .30
€2.995,00
Know thanks 😅
300 bar is over 4000psi, which is more than scuba tanks are filled to.
How do you get a compressor that will do that?
There is alot of chinese pcp compressor that go up to 4500psi and there is one that go over 5000psi under 1000$
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At the premium price point of this gun, it should have a match grade 2-stage trigger, IMO. Overall though, looks like a heck of a gun. Would love to have one.
How much? Can u send in lao?
Price
like this one. The silver wheel look ugly, I think
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Once you get use to the mag install it gets easier.
almost 3 grand here in the Netherlands... yaiks...
Why can't you turn the regulator pressure down under pressure? The manual also says you should only turn the pressure up when the gun has pressure. I can't figure out why either of these things makes sense though.
The air pressure makes friction on the adjuster seal. In order to reduce the pressure you would have to overcome all that pressure to force it back. On the other side, increasing is low friction on the seal, so you can move it and the air pressure will increase to fill the space.
@@airgunsofarizona Ok I think I see why I wasn't understanding. When you look at a typical diagram of a regulator it shows a diaphragm with a pressure relief valve, whereas a HPA regulator uses a piston with seals, and if I understand you correctly it's those seals that can get damaged since the piston will move a bunch if you turn the pressure down.
30-40 yard groups are more to task and the average zero for hunters
i have the air arms lsk19 loks identical to mine...odd
This is from the same designer. Just in a different company. Thanks
Not a Hatsan Blitz.
Slugs?
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This in 30 would make for a hell of a home defense gun for people with records.
Is it possible to export it to india? Is it available in .177 calibre?
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Eu gostaria de comprar uma dessa , quanto custa ????
E como faço pra adquirir uma dessa ????
💡The very best thing I've seen in this video is that you showed us the max speed AND the weight of the pellets that this airgun can produce, instead of just saying "this gun makes ___foot pounds" like MOST of the idiotics do!👍 I can't stand it when these nuts over here in America adopts that stupid foot pound crapp, and not say the weight and speed🤮
He didn't really tell you the max speed or fps. Believe me, I have it in 25 cal and they said the max fps was I thing was 1035 fps and I can honestly say they were holding back. Maybe because if they really said what the max fps was it would bring ATF into play. Out the box it was pushing 34 grain slugs super sonic which is why I had to turn the reg down and the power wheel down. Gun is a BEAST !!! PUSHING 48 GRAIN SLUGS @ 900 fps out of the box, so you know what it was pushing 38 grain or less at
@@anthonygillespie7233 Sweet ass Sweet💥👍
@@Brianbri-nq3cc Yep, its a sweet ass gun. Unbelievable power. I got it in I guess full size, not the compact and it delivers. Full auto is extra just in case you were to get in a bind or need to drop more than one animal like a pack of coyotes or wild hogs.
@@anthonygillespie7233 Yes the only reason I'd be tempted to spend the amount of money that they charge for this airgun is for pure unadulterated power😂👍 There's so many people that spend big money on certain airguns just impress other men, and the airguns can't even produce the power that a lot of lower priced airguns can, and they use that sorry excuse of shooting 800 to 850fps being the best speed😵💫 The numbers that you've stated that this airgun can produce is phenomenal and that's what I'm looking for, THANKS👍🏼
@@Brianbri-nq3cc Well I don't think you would be disappointed if you are looking for power, but its also accurate as hell. I wanted something in full auto for fun and hunting purpose and it fits both narratives for myself. It's like knowing you have a jag that'll run over 160 mph but you wont run it that fast unless it was necessary. If I was up against a bear or herd of wild hogs, then that when I would cut loose on full auto.
How much I'm here in philippines
cool
please giveaway
Way too pricey
Wow.
The accuracy on full auto for 50 yd was horrible.😂
This is a better gun than my blitz.On most parts. However! My full auto Is accuracy on the blitz is SO Much better Then the
Sidewinder because my cycle rate is so much faster, It hits bullet on bullet even in the full auto. So the accuracy in full auto is concerning
Overpriced.
Многозарядней лешего 2 этот девайс. Но я не готов за это плптить.
Titanium mag,wow...i dont want to know how much this gun costs.....ahahaah
I'm sorry, but to me, it looks so ugly. Especially with that big ol scope. I think it would look so much better with a pistol scope on it. Dot get me wrong... the full size looks amazing, but that thing just looks ugly with the barrel being shorter than the length of the bottle.
What's more important for most people is how great things work than how they look, vanity is for humans to sin with😂👍
@Brianbri-nq3cc Here goes the LGBTQ. Lmao! Take that biblical bs to the pastor. Nobody wants to hear what you have to say. Why are you even looking at guns if you are so-called religious? Get the f outta here hypocrite. Also, if it looks so dang pleasing and functions so we'll where is yours? Take that shh to the church.
$2200 air gun. I'll pass
Love my .30 mini! ruclips.net/video/9duInrjPxDs/видео.htmlsi=frxpr7fgnaYqSxUB
12 rounds at 30 yards with fx 50.2gr @ 70 fpe in opening clip on a 2 inch circle.
Joule of power?
Put in an actual trigger and charge 5$ more, what area to go cheap
@ChrisFord-wh1gl thats a thing ive noticed with 99.9% of airguns they hit the nail on the head for absolutely everything except one thing and its a real shame really but nothing a bit of tuning from an experienced gunsmith cannot fix, its a real shame you have to do that but i guess with any piece of equipment you have to fit it to suit yourself and your needs