Gravity Assist: to slow ESA's JUICE down!

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  • Опубликовано: 28 окт 2024

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  • @hankseda
    @hankseda 2 месяца назад +6

    Orbital dynamics is complicated and not without surprises! Thanks for breaking it down for us.

  • @joehopfield
    @joehopfield 2 месяца назад +13

    Thanks for the planet-relative vs sun-relative explanation - now grav-assist actually makes sense.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +2

      Yay - always happy to help

  • @Broken_robot1986
    @Broken_robot1986 2 месяца назад +8

    What crazy trajectory used, I can't wait to see what we learn. I love that "jiggle it" still works in space!

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +5

      Jiggling it is usually risky - you dont want to break anything else. I was super nervous when they decided to heat up Euclid to fix their condensation problem 🙈

  • @Bob_C34
    @Bob_C34 2 месяца назад +6

    I remember a professor discussing this once. You made it more interesting 🙌🏻 thanks Dr. Maggie 🤓

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      that's great! thank you!

  • @annexcelestial
    @annexcelestial 2 месяца назад +10

    Thank you Dr Maggie for this great video...I love it!!!

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you for the support!

    • @annexcelestial
      @annexcelestial 2 месяца назад

      @@SpaceMogalways!!!

  • @christopherwilson6527
    @christopherwilson6527 2 месяца назад +2

    Finally I found a video that explains it properly. I knew how the assist works, but I didn’t know which passing direction did what (in front to slow, behind to speed up). Love your videos!

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      Glad it helped!

  • @targetmann100ify
    @targetmann100ify 2 месяца назад +6

    Okay i just broke 3 pencils and some paper trying to calculate ,,,,,So with that in mind im just gonna give up for now and dream about slingshooting myself through space and hope somebody one day get to experience of the universe from a spaceship full of kittens and puppies and feel the happiness 😻😽 .And thank you dr lieu for your beautifull mind and work you do.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +2

      thanks for trying! im definitely taking cats and dogs with me when i leave this planet, even if i have to kick out a human 😏

  • @patryn36
    @patryn36 2 месяца назад +6

    You also have to account for the target of the gravity assist rotation.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      You're absolutely right! The target planet's rotation plays a crucial role in the exact trajectory and energy gain

    • @patryn36
      @patryn36 2 месяца назад

      @@SpaceMog That and a few other aspects i have learned about makes me think people in your portion of the world (science focused) have it wrong with relativity, it is allowing you to get over the seeming flaws in newton's equations but it is still not right as shown with the stars on galactic edges and with the collective ideas on black holes among others. There are other areas that i am wondering with all the data and known facts why you and others are so focused on like you all are.

  • @sectsan2471
    @sectsan2471 2 месяца назад +5

  • @HarryNicNicholas
    @HarryNicNicholas 2 месяца назад +4

    i invested in a large gold fish bowl and a kayak, and now all i need is elon to gravity assist me into orbit so i can paddle to mars.
    i worked on the 2000 BBC series "the planets", i did about 20 shots of various satellites, proto planets forming, and a model of the solar system (although i tried to be accurate to reality, as this was just graphics for a show accuracy came in second place), so, i have a vague understanding of rocket science (i did graphics for ESA's SOHO project too, and a whole series about colonising asteroids) but you lost me at "velocity little us" as i am algebra blind - lol.
    another fascinating program though, keep them coming.
    (i have some of my tv stuff on my channel if you scroll back 20 years or so :) )

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks Harry! If i ever meet him, ill let him know you are waiting!
      Those are some cool guitars you have there, didnt quite find the space though

    • @HarryNicNicholas
      @HarryNicNicholas 2 месяца назад

      @@SpaceMog it is 20 plus years ago, look for "'the planets' bbc tv documentary series"

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman 2 месяца назад +1

    Starting at about 06:39 in this video: Most of the math {up to that point in the video} went over my head. HOWEVER, Dr. Maggie mentioning the planet losing as much momentum as the spacecraft gains is something I first became aware of reading Arthur C. Clarke's _novelization_ of *2OO1: A SPACE ODYSSEY.*

  • @gregorymccoy6797
    @gregorymccoy6797 2 месяца назад +1

    Wonderful bit of science you've shared with us. Finally joined your channel.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      Thanks and welcome

  • @johnlewis8664
    @johnlewis8664 2 месяца назад +2

    Great video! Looks like we’ve got a bit of a wait on our hands… plenty of time for more maths!

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      Yes we do! Thanks :-)

  • @samedwards6683
    @samedwards6683 2 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for yet another educational and entertaining video. Keep it up.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      Thanks for watching!

  • @DavidBrant
    @DavidBrant 2 месяца назад +2

    Reminds me to practice my gravitational assist 😮‍💨 😅
    It’s another one ☝🏼 great vid Doc! ❤

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      what's that? 😆

  • @ARWest-bp4yb
    @ARWest-bp4yb 2 месяца назад +3

    It sucks that it takes so long to reach the outer planets! I was twelve when the Voyagers launched and twenty four when Voyager 2 reached Neptune. I didn't seem that long back then, but I'll be retired by the time JUICE get to Jupiter and that seems like so much longer now.😄 Hopefully when Starship is operational we can get out there faster, it would be nice to re-visit Uranus and Neptune in my lifetime!🤞🤞 Thanks Dr. Maggie!👍👍

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      Can't wait until Starship works too - i can't wait to take a trip myself - wouldn't you like to see those planets with your own eyes? :-)

    • @ARWest-bp4yb
      @ARWest-bp4yb 2 месяца назад

      @@SpaceMog Sure, and I can get the senior discount by then!🤣

  • @TheBevo67
    @TheBevo67 2 месяца назад

    Love your videos - always look forward to them and learning a little something about space exploration and the science behind it.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      Awesome, thank you!

  • @matthewhenson2421
    @matthewhenson2421 2 месяца назад +2

    The Lunar Earth Flyby images of the moon and the Earth are exactly surprising.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      I hope you liked them as much as i did :-)

  • @caseymead9399
    @caseymead9399 2 месяца назад +2

    OOh I love me some Δ-V. More equations please!

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      Glad you liked it 🧮

  • @donaldbohn3183
    @donaldbohn3183 2 месяца назад +1

    I love graphics of how the solar system actually moves in our galaxy!

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      I was trying to find a royalty free version but didnt manage to and had no time to mock one up in blender but i completely agree, its mesmerising

  • @eeeXDeee
    @eeeXDeee 2 месяца назад +1

    So informative! Nice video

  • @donaldbohn3183
    @donaldbohn3183 2 месяца назад +1

    Well explained. I've actually seen it shown in recent videos.

  • @NobodyOfNote-qv5wh
    @NobodyOfNote-qv5wh 2 месяца назад

    Great work, as usual really enjoying your explanations! 😊

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      Many thanks!

  • @paulalexandredumasseauvan2357
    @paulalexandredumasseauvan2357 2 месяца назад +1

    thanks for the explanation! enjoyed your video 👍☺

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @johnjoseph9823
    @johnjoseph9823 2 месяца назад +1

    Brilliant as always. thank you

  • @narrator69
    @narrator69 2 месяца назад

    Kerbal Space Program and the Real Solar System mod for the game taught me so much about rocketry.
    At first I couldn't even get to orbit but after a year I can easily get to any planet or moon in the system.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      I still suck at that game 😅

  • @MrGaborseres
    @MrGaborseres 2 месяца назад +1

    🤔❤️👍Thanks for the good video and explanation

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      Thanks for watching

  • @jaimeduncan6167
    @jaimeduncan6167 2 месяца назад

    Subscribed, 3th excellent video în a row. We need Nuclear thermal and Nuclear electric propulsion. I understand why Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter was cancelled but the work on the nuclear reactor should have continued. We are still exploring the planets with an approach of the 80s (but with better computers to do even more fancy gravity assists). Clearly electric propulsion is not going to move the aircraft to Jupiter and then slowdown the spacecraft but Nuclear thermal will do (Yes SLS can do the job, but at 4 billion a pop to gain few years is too much)

  • @EmmanuelBrito
    @EmmanuelBrito 2 месяца назад

    I’m not sure if she’s cold but she appears to be and I find it compliments the space visuals in the background. It’s like not having yellow to appreciate but using that appreciation to fully appreciate the efforts of red and green to somehow stimulate a simulated intuitive instinctive intuitional instinct to mimic yellow for myself . 🤓

  • @treefarm3288
    @treefarm3288 2 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for the video, but we had to wait till minute 10 to find out what the actual figures for JUICE were. Too bad I will be extra old by 2031, haha.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      You can wait 10minutes, you dont age that quickly :-)

  • @BZAKether
    @BZAKether 2 месяца назад

    Thank you for the orbital assist explanation, I had wondered how it was possible to gain speed overall if the gained speed by the "fall" was being lost on the way out, I didn't think about the planet or object itself and its effect on the speed!

  • @ChrisM-hx9kv
    @ChrisM-hx9kv 2 месяца назад

    Commenting to feed the complex equation of the algorithm. May it's increased mass provide a proper slingshot maneuver for more viewers to slow down and view this channel 🙃

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      Thanks so much 😇

  • @husk79
    @husk79 2 месяца назад +1

    Was JUICE supposed to use the moon and Earth to accelerate and decelerate from the start or was it redirected because of the fuel loss from the wonky antenna jam?

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      It was, although the exact calculations are always changing. JUICE was supposed to launch in 2022 and for that scenario it would have done 2 flybys of moon and Earth before Venus. The 1 year delay in launch meant they now have 1 flyby of moon and Earth before Venus but then 2 more after that

  • @joelcorley3478
    @joelcorley3478 2 месяца назад

    I would point out that gravity assists are not entirely free. You almost always need to do some kind of correction burn well ahead of the approach in order to nail the flyby corridor. The Oberth effect tends to dictate where in the orbit that correction burn ought to be.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      Good point!

  • @syclonusmusic
    @syclonusmusic 2 месяца назад

    Hi 😊 could you show more orbital mechanics with algebra using real numbers? How could we show navigation using x, y, and z coordinate systems? Thanks 😊

  • @corychristensen5917
    @corychristensen5917 2 месяца назад +5

    Can solar sails also be used as solar brakes? For decelerating interstellar travel or travel to Mercury and Venus

    • @flakcannon722
      @flakcannon722 2 месяца назад +2

      Solar sails could be used to slow something down over a long time, if you were headed at the sun...

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      absolutely - changing the orientation of the sail, it could be quite effective!

  • @ptonpc
    @ptonpc 2 месяца назад

    Nicely explained. Thank you :) A bit sad to think the chances are I will have expired long before JUICE gets there. Safe and successful flight to it.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      🥲 you never know

    • @ptonpc
      @ptonpc 2 месяца назад

      @@SpaceMog Without playing the world's smallest violin, the chances are pretty much nil. Thanks anyway, The most 'annoying' thing is all these great missions in the pipeline I'll never see.

  • @blacksmith67
    @blacksmith67 Месяц назад

    Can a Lagrange point be used for gravity assists?

  • @The1stDukeDroklar
    @The1stDukeDroklar 2 месяца назад

    "This is basic rocket science people" - Ender's Game

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      Easy peasy

  • @John-wd5cb
    @John-wd5cb 2 месяца назад

    Amazing!
    You can build a craft fuselage that absorbs every particle emission and send it at a gravity network of routes around the Solar system with almost minimal propulsion adjustments and nobody will ever detect it!😮

    • @John-wd5cb
      @John-wd5cb 2 месяца назад

      👽 alien 1: 🤯
      👽 alien 2: 🤔

  • @WatchingUntiltheEnd
    @WatchingUntiltheEnd 2 месяца назад

    7:24, it kinda does.

  • @HarryNicNicholas
    @HarryNicNicholas 2 месяца назад

    okay, your homework: how do we know where and when moons will be? i mean okay it can be worked out from observation, but i assume there is an almanac or a directory of the positions of most if not all planetary objects? we have catalogues for stars and galaxies, so i assume there is an equivalent for the planets and moons? i suppose i could look it up. again thanks for a great insight.

    • @tonywells6990
      @tonywells6990 2 месяца назад +1

      NASA's JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California) provides ephemeris (trajectories, basically a table of positions and velocities) of all the moons and planets and other objects in the solar system from observations. I'm sure other space agencies produce their own ephemerides but JPL is the most famous.

    • @John-wd5cb
      @John-wd5cb 2 месяца назад +1

      Red-eye

    • @HarryNicNicholas
      @HarryNicNicholas 2 месяца назад

      @@tonywells6990 ah, i suspected as much, but thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

  • @alnilam2151
    @alnilam2151 2 месяца назад +3

    I encountered my own; sudden, decelleration just yesterday & wow did gravity stop in its' path track orbit is literally unknown: no jury to be found on phys10s Achilles+Abruptor both equal disrupters in constant... Hip+Hap Less Battle: wanna know what is #Oxymoronic the #HumanBody its' own #StringOfTheory {/} ;x

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      That's sad to hear, i hope everything is going ok and you get better soon

    • @alnilam2151
      @alnilam2151 2 месяца назад

      @@SpaceMog Well, it's not that I didn't see it coming; Atlas had it Leonardo drew it I guess I'll have 2 carry+manage it! #lifesucks {/} ;x

    • @alnilam2151
      @alnilam2151 2 месяца назад

      @@SpaceMog And, ThankYou for the concern! 😘

  • @arnokosterman231
    @arnokosterman231 2 месяца назад

    😍

    • @arnokosterman231
      @arnokosterman231 2 месяца назад

      Diamagneticle closer to the planet the resistance of the planet resisst more thentional diverentional displacemends 😍 so from oll directions you reseave thentional diverentional displasmends partley bouncing of the craft and partley mantainence of the ciclesematic and colective cohesion so the behavieures can stay in existance jead close the planet youl reseave less thentional behavieures displasmends from the planet position ontil you get inside the space that is graventational counterd in orbit dinamics 🌹
      In a way in the right direction it could exelerate til the speed of the space that is dragging the spacecraft around against the rotational motion of the graventational countering youl are able to slow down😍 and find withs polarflux is stronger to move out with less felosety losses 🛸
      Look to the total interaction sharings in your face book😍
      It is cristal clear wat men see as atrecting behavieures is still there do to the bicker resistance that resists more from behind the resistance while you reseave from oll other directions more 😍🌹😍
      Is not gravety gravety is towart the kuiperbeld behind the rings of planets in the graventational countering zone of the cicles it is magneticley and diamagneticley pushed and in the less directional space and motion zones it is diamagneticle pushed thentional diverentional displasmends in to kinetic translations of directions🛸
      I make tomorrow a new video to show clearly just like the body was pushed down than with a craft is pushed towart aour in withs sone wat interaction tace over to ad to the behavieures of the trajectory💜
      It is funnie no one in space teghnolegys in the past dit not saw our manshenend it o yes one time in polarized sail satellites when the enter the meat plasmafilemental behavieures out the plasma philemental it is within chainces directions of cominications towart it total behavieures of existance towart the poseble behavieures of the medium transfer inside and as that plasma philemental behavieures (shaped translations)
      Look to the new Higgs field not bi long correct but there is awernes that if whe posebiletys of the cosmic translations chainces everything desolves in to new behavieures

    • @arnokosterman231
      @arnokosterman231 2 месяца назад

      Planets except mercury rotates
      The rings around it orbits the sun like the kuiperbeld ourbits the galaxy yet the sun is contained somwhere in the position on the princeple feildflow and rings intergety structure and diamagneticle container and graventational countered metacontainer behind the coronal🛸

    • @arnokosterman231
      @arnokosterman231 2 месяца назад

      Diamagneticle closer to the planet the resistance of the planet resisst more thentional diverentional displacemends 😍 so from oll directions you reseave thentional diverentional displasmends partley bouncing of the craft and partley mantainence of the ciclesematic and colective cohesion so the behavieures can stay in existance jead close the planet youl reseave less thentional behavieures displasmends from the planet position ontil you get inside the space that is graventational counterd in orbit dinamics 🌹
      In a way in the right direction it could exelerate til the speed of the space that is dragging the spacecraft around against the rotational motion of the graventational countering youl are able to slow down😍 and find withs polarflux is stronger to move out with less felosety losses 🛸
      Look to the total interaction sharings in your face book😍
      It is cristal clear wat men see as atrecting behavieures is still there do to the bicker resistance that resists more from behind the resistance while you reseave from oll other directions more 😍🌹😍
      Is not gravety gravety is towart the kuiperbeld behind the rings of planets in the graventational countering zone of the cicles it is magneticley and diamagneticley pushed and in the less directional space and motion zones it is diamagneticle pushed thentional diverentional displasmends in to kinetic translations of directions🛸
      I make tomorrow a new video to show clearly just like the body was pushed down than with a craft is pushed towart aour in withs sone wat interaction tace over to ad to the behavieures of the trajectory💜
      It is funnie no one in space teghnolegys in the past dit not saw our manshenend it o yes one time in polarized sail satellites when the enter the meat plasmafilemental behavieures out the plasma philemental it is within chainces directions of cominications towart it total behavieures of existance towart the poseble behavieures of the medium transfer inside and as that plasma philemental behavieures (shaped translations)
      Look to the new Higgs field not bi long correct but there is awernes that if whe posebiletys of the cosmic translations chainces everything desolves in to new behavieures

    • @arnokosterman231
      @arnokosterman231 2 месяца назад

      So you see and say when ther air is cloudy our with misdisireble resistance eurths space time is slowing down a litle bit when you are inside the graventational countering zone you are equatorial resistance yet a notes and sout hemospheric conductor like our space debris is too😅

    • @arnokosterman231
      @arnokosterman231 2 месяца назад

      Ah thay you are against the kuiper pull zone than you slow down do to that you move against the kuiper pull
      Tace a lower orbit to get in the graventational countering sone and youl speed up when you are afrond of the planet🐝🥰🎁🥰🐜

  • @AndersWelander
    @AndersWelander 2 месяца назад

    Icy moons made me think of a Cuban I met last night at a party. He said he wanted to have a wife from Iceland because then the kids would be ice-cubes.

  • @Privacityuser
    @Privacityuser 2 месяца назад

    Most fast object records ? 💥

  • @coreymay918
    @coreymay918 2 месяца назад

    Fighting urge to do math at home

  • @flakcannon722
    @flakcannon722 2 месяца назад +5

    Ridiculously difficult calculations made understandable by anyone.
    I'm pretty sure you could teach highschool kids.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      I teach masters students ☺️

    • @flakcannon722
      @flakcannon722 2 месяца назад +1

      @@SpaceMog I hope you don't have to simplify it that much for them lol

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +2

      @@flakcannon722 Considering the last 3 cohorts dont know how AA batteries work, I must admit its not far off :/

    • @flakcannon722
      @flakcannon722 2 месяца назад

      @@SpaceMog that got a laugh out of me 😁
      Good luck with them

    • @erkinalp
      @erkinalp 2 месяца назад

      @@SpaceMog easy, zinc and carbon elctrodes in a manganese solution gradually rip the battery off of the electrodes (ionisation in primary batteries is effectively irreversible) and generate an electric field in the process, causing an electrical tension measuring 1.5 volts when fresh

  • @Vagabondo-fs6qu
    @Vagabondo-fs6qu 2 месяца назад +1

    You lost me at the first derivative 😂

  • @HobieH3
    @HobieH3 2 месяца назад

    Like for algorithm

  • @HarryNicNicholas
    @HarryNicNicholas 2 месяца назад

    tricky question that i've asked on lots of science channels and never got a reply - why does squaring work? why ISN'T it E = MC almost squared or even E = MC not quite squared? how come squaring is a nice round figure? would squaring always work even if the speed of light was faster or slower? i do art, not maths dammit.

    • @tonywells6990
      @tonywells6990 2 месяца назад +4

      You can trace it back to Pythagoras theorem, the sum of two squares of a right angled triangle (i.e. the lines are perpendicular to each other, or act in separate dimensions) is equal to another square. The areas of the two squares when added is equal to the area of another square. So when you take the square root of that new area you get the length of the new line.
      Equations like E=mc^2 are also based on geometry of lines, but also it can be equated as momentum times energy (p=mv and E=pc) so when you replace the p with mv you get E=mvc, then using v=c (velocity equals speed of light) you get E=mcc=mc^2.
      Also the branch of mathematics called calculus is based on geometry, and if you integrate a variable you raise its power by one. For example integrating x you get x^2/2, integrating x^2 you get x^3/3. Integrating momentum (mass times velocity) you get the kinetic energy of a mass: integrate p=mv -> E=1/2 mv^2.
      I recommend studying basic geometry, algebra and calculus if you want to understand the math.

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад +1

      Exactly this. Thanks!

    • @HarryNicNicholas
      @HarryNicNicholas 2 месяца назад

      @@tonywells6990 thank you so much, but you haven't answered the question, which is, why does it round out nicely?
      what i was getting at is, yes, or course there is a physical requirement for - say - light to fade according to the inverse square law, for every one inch travelled, it becomes "four times weaker", the question is why is it "four times" and not "3.99 times"
      I DO NOT DOUBT YOUR MATHS, what boggles me is that it's a ROUND NUMBER, as opposed to a not quite a round number.......
      and if i'm, being dumb, bear in mind i'm an artist not a mathematician.

    • @HarryNicNicholas
      @HarryNicNicholas 2 месяца назад

      @@tonywells6990 PS good explanation. and trust me, it's not beyond me to realise i'm just being dumb - lol.
      i mean i can see that it's related to physical geometry, but what boggles me is that there is an exact ratio, rather than an "almost but not quite exact" ratios. do you at least see where i'm coming from?

    • @tonywells6990
      @tonywells6990 2 месяца назад

      @@HarryNicNicholas It is a logical consequence of a conserved quantity as it is diluted through some geometry with straight lines. Just draw two lines from a point, then measure the area of a triangle made 5cm from the point, and another made 10cm from the point. You will find the 10cm triangle has 4 times the area of the 5cm triangle since the area is squared as you double the length. If the lines are not straight then you would find another ratio.

  • @ROBOTRIX_eu
    @ROBOTRIX_eu 2 месяца назад +1

    • @SpaceMog
      @SpaceMog  2 месяца назад

      How did you do that? so cool!