NIMONA - A Punk Masterpiece
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2023
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Nimona arrives on the scene as a bold departure from modern Disney and the Hollywood studio system. Gus and Charlie give their thoughts on this Punk Masterpiece.
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According to ND Stevenson, the medieval/sci fi aesthetic is representative of how while this society has advanced technologically, they're still stuck in the same, medieval mindset and prejudices. So it's a cool design choice and it serves the movie's themes.
That’s brilliant
Fun Fact: The credits for the film has an entire section dedicated to everyone that has worked at Blue Sky, complete with Nimona shapeshifting into a squirrel. A bittersweet, but great note to end on.
Scratt?
@@seekingabsolution1907Yes
To me, one of the biggest details about this movie is that Ballister saved Nimona from herself at the end. He didn't save her from some big bad, he stopped her from ending her own life.
Well, she's dangerous enough that any threat that would be able to kill her would outclass his ability to easily protect her from.
@@seekingabsolution1907 someone likes the directors propaganda a bit to much
The video: "we don't wanna spoil the climax for the movie"
The top comment:
@tenebros
No, we just reject yours.
Your ignorance has caused enough suffering.
I love seeing movies that Disney rejected become successful. Nimona is living proof that there is potential to revive scrapped projects. That being said, I hope other studios take this movie's success into consideration and give their scrapped projects another chance.
kind of a Disney hater but I do agree then again I just feel like Western media has kind of fall down recently and also I just really had a sick and tired of hearing a lot of Disney hate recently but even if it's justifiable
I think the parts where Nimona says "I don’t know what’s scarier, the fact that everyone in this kingdom wants to drive a sword into my heart, or that sometimes, I just want to let them" was such a punch to the gut for me.
It's hard and I’m so tired, but I’m still here. To everyone who also was affected by this, I see you. Stay safe, please, it will get better one day, I promise. And to those who want it or appreciate it, I’ll pray for you. ♡
First The Owl House and now Nimona. Disney truly can’t seem to understand a true masterpiece. But as long as society makes it seem like LGBTQ+ is unprofitable, the problem will only get worse. I love this movie. The representation is amazing. My favorite part is how they incorporate the shape shifting into the fighting.
LOL imagine saying Society makes LGBTQ seem unprofittable with them getting an entire month
Disney hater but I wouldn't say it was entirely Disney problem to be honest and mergers make or break companies these days
as for the owl house not really that interested but maybe one day
more internal bigotry by execs.
What I absolutely despise is that Disney bought out Blue Sky and then casually shut them down saying it was too expensive to maintain. This was simply them getting rid of competition.
That’s business as usual for most corporations
you know Disney hater but I wouldn't say it was entirely Disney problem to be honest and mergers make or break companies these days
thats big cooperation tactics, also sad.
@@changsiah2 Stop defending the corporations, they don't care about you.
What impressed me most about this film is how it presents the topic of cultural biases in such a real way. Ballister wants to believe that the system will work, save for a few bad apples. The 3rd act breakup of him doubting Nimona works incredibly well, because unlike other films, it doesn't feel forced. We understand why both Ballister and Goldenlion have grown up with this cultural conditioning, it's often hard to challenge your own worldview when all you've ever known are good guys and bad guys.
Nimona even says it herself, Ballister was brainwashed by the institute. Which is even sadder when you realize that he was set up to be an outsider from the beginning, he’s the only one wearing all black armour and the only one with a black sword, it’s even in flashbacks to his training on the news and on the poster of him as a child. He was raised to be a scapegoat
Regarding the point about Spider-Punk - Hobie's anti-establishment tendencies DO further the plot, at least from where I sit. Considering he pushes Miles to question everything in the Spider-Society, and even has his own plan running in the background, I think there's a lot more nuance there than just "lmao punk is funny"
That said, yeah, Nimona captures that vibe a LOT better than SpiderVerse. Loved the entire movie!
I never saw Hobie as a clown. He subverts the Spider Society and its fascism. If Gus is referring to Hobie's hair...damn.
It's Black hair. It's just not right to belittle Black hair. If that's not the reason why, I would like to have more detailed information regarding why Hobie is "a clown."
Agreed. The channel Schnee made a video dissecting spider-punk's character in how they're a deep character that pretends to be shallow. I thought it was very good and recommend it.
One thing I’ve noticed about the movie after watching it several times is how deeply ingrained violence is in their society. The cereal ad is just the most blatant example, there’s a second ad for a board game where kids try to kill monsters in the climax, the subway is in a place called vanquisher square, there’s a kid on a coin operated horse pretending to be Gloreth killing monsters and there’s likely more examples I’m forgetting. It’s all so casual in their world that no one cares that the knights are trained to dismember people first and ask questions later.
She trying to end her life was way more powerful than a battle whit Ambrosius. When you realize she didn't came back to destroy the city, but herself.. One of the most intense scenes in animation. Ever. Add to the fact the end credits even gave a help line afterwards.
Ambrosious *Goldenloin* sounds like a more serious version of Biggus Dickus and is the closest a kids film can come to calling a character big-dick-McChadpants without being called too crass.
Had a thought about this:
There's a recurring thing in fantasy where you have an ancient order that in the Glory Days of Old was a bulwark and protector against the dangerous threats of the outside world, but in These Fallen Days its mission is forgotten or dismissed and it's now a shallow version of its former self that's inadequate when the ancient evil returns to destroy us all. (The Night's Watch probably the most prominent recent example.)
In Nimona, the ancient order was never protecting against a real thing but an entrenched ruling class has used the stoking of fear and the promise of safety to ensure its position as wealthy and socially empowered overclass because surely, SURELY we wouldn't give so much money and power to the Knights if they weren't keeping us all safe.
I haven't seen a movie that actually moved me like Nimona in a while, but damn I was sobbing during the climax reveal
Sad thing is a lot of hateful people wouldn’t understand the message , let alone watch the movie. If they were willing to learn and listen, life would be easier for everyone
Annapurna definitely did Blue Sky justice. I'm so glad this film got a second chance and had so many thought provoking messages. Big metaphors/analogies to fearmongering and propaganda against minorities, using fear to control, the victors writing the history books, use of excessive force, maintaining tradition/the status quo at all costs, gaslighting, and hiding the parts of yourself that aren’t "normal" enough for others' comfort, among others. It’s pretty spectacular.
Just to be that guy (because I love being that guy even if I only read it after seeing the movie) if you can, drop by your library or bookstore and pick up the Nimona the book. It's rather significantly different in the way it presents it's themes and characters and plot but fundamentally similar. And I think everyone should get to consume both not just because its fun to compare but because both are absolutely amazing pieces of art and deserve more eyes.
AGREED god the comic is good
This movie is one of the first to make me genuinely cry. I have been struggling with suicidal ideation for awhile and while I don't really relate to being seen as a "monster", just seeing representation of it is amazing, especially in 'kids' media.
I'm glad Disney didn't finish Nimona because then Ballister and Ambrosius wouldn't have gotten the relationship they deserve and they definitely would have toned down Nimona herself. Nimona was a massive W, in spite of the awful production troubles it went through.
In defense of Hobie in ATSV, the movie is a two parter and we're not 100% sure where it's going but it seems to be a pretty anti establishment one. It's already taking an anti cop stance, and towards the end of the movie Hobie became a really prominent ally and friend. He stole equipment from the Spider Society, presumably to give to Miles but then gave it to Gwen so she could rebel with him.
It may initially have been a joke, but he's starting to be taken more seriously as the story goes on and similarly Nimona had her violent fantasies as a joke before her beliefs were fully understood.
Hey Netflix, thanks for taking down a positive review of your big summer success just because it showed a few unedited clips. Great way to spread positive word-of-mouth.
Honestly seeing Ballister and Ambrosia together was such, it's like seeing a relationship you can fit into for the first time, at least for me. Just as someone who is transmasc and bi, I think that first scene where Ambrosia is trying to cheer up Bal is the first time I've seen a relationship on the screen and was reminded of me and my boyfriend.
Back for good, hopefully.
Please do well so this channel does well!
I think that in my perception of hobie brown is that it is played for laughs but also not treated like “oh isn’t he crazy?!”. I think it’s kind of a dry humor where the joke is that he’s being really blunt
Disagree on the spiderpunk take. He wasn't just played for laughs, he did challenge the 'institute' (spider society, miguel mostly) as he made his own watch, and the third act will most certainly be about that, challenging miguel.
Highly recommend Schnee's video on Hobie because you see a great view on Spiderpunk and how he wasn't actually playing it as a joke but actually as a facade to his true self and keeping distance to the spider society but also still being there and one of the deepest characters with almost no screen time. Highly recommned!
I like Nimona as a character because although there's probably a strong queer reading of the character, as an autistic cis person with traits of ADHD, the bit where she talks about not being able to shapeshift feeling like an itch is very reminiscent of why I spent so much time doing verbal and somatic stims, why even at the age of 23 I still play with my vocal range and jump around and clap my hands when I'm happy. They're what comes naturally and I like doing it.
It's awesome that you feel strongly about how important your stimming is and how it makes you feel healthy. 🤗
As an ADHD person I strongly agree. Nimona is such a great character that embodies every non-normative experience. When I watched that scene I said to myself “YES! People always ask me why do I do weird neurodivergent stuff and don’t realise that this is who I am”. Masking is such a depressing thing to do, It’s like being a closeted queer person, but with neurodivergence. I experienced both in some capacity because, despite being cis and mostly hetero male, I am nonbinary and my “feminine” mannerisms freak out conservative people around me. I am from Russia, so 80% of the population is aggressively conservative to the point of actively denying that ADHD and nonbinary identity even exist (so, denying the core parts of my mind that I can’t change).
I know about the immense hard work that went into this video, and finally getting to watch it, it was worth it!!
Ooh! I honestly thought this wouldn't be your genre but I'm so happy you checked it out and enjoyed it! What were some of your favorite parts or aspects of it, sense we didn't get to hear your perspective in the video. :0
I think there is a bigger reason as to why Hobie’s punk beliefs are initially played for laughs, but I agree with you fully. The fact that people can take away that he’s a farcical character (whereas the comedy seems to be more of a mask that he wears) is a bit troubling, given how being anti-establishment is seen as a trend at best irl, and I hope that the next movie shows his complexity more explicitly.
That said, LOVE that Nimona is all in on that mentality of questioning and opposing rigid social structures
Love this all around.
Think you're being a little unfair to Hobbie/ Spider-Punk, because yeah they do play his anti-establishment thing as a joke but also (spoilers I guess) he winds up completely vindicated and he winds up being the guy who gives Miles and Gwen the thing they need when it seems hopeless.
I am just going to say it: Edgerunners wish it was as punk as Nimona.
Whoa whoa *whoa* Edgerunners is also extremely punk! I’d say they’re definitely on the same level in that regard. But maybe I’m biased, Edgerunners is my favourite show.
@@NonPlayerCactus It is not bad, it's just it ends with saving the damsel in distress, it's not that punk.
@@maxxam4665 I see where you’re coming from, I do think that’s a bit of an oversimplification of it (especially given David’s whole battle with his sanity and sense of self) but I can appreciate that reading of the story’s climax.
*Nimona just like me fr*
I've watched it a few times and I love it more each time, honestly. Feels like the kind of movie I WISH I could've seen when I was younger.
Yes. Yes to this entire video. I found Nimona on Netflix almost by accident and now it's my favorite movie ever.
I've said it before and I'll say it again -- Nimona is Shield Hero if it was actually competently written.
Alright this comment alone has sold me on it. I loved the idea of Shield Hero but it had some serious issues I couldn't look past.
I never have or likely will see this movie (I barely ever watch movies in general), but it does seem quite interesting. I have pretty much always wanted a movie to tackle these ideas in a way that didn't feel half-assed or intentionally held back, and it seems like Nimona does just that!
I actually read the comic book before this and it's absolutely beautiful. The movie is a lot like the book but missing some of the running gags throughout the like 50 page book. But definitely a 10/10 book and movie
the guards face(for the love of god i dont remember any names besides nimona) looks like a sad kitten i cant get over it
Spoiler the climax
If I had a penny for every animated children media I loved that had a strong theme of identity throughout and at one point has a primary character almost committing suicide being stopped by the other primary character i'd have two pennies...
Wait what's the other one? I almost wanna say Steven universe?
@@hyenaedits3460 Haven't watched that one I must admit. Centaurworld is what I was thinking about. If you haven't watched it I highly recommend it.
seeing y'all talk about this so excitedly makes me so happy
I look at comic and movie they look somewhat alike but sum differences idk how react to it
Going light on spoilers here and to be fair my personal experiences have been considerably less extreme (nothing that could not be talked through) but what got me most about the metaphors in this movie is how well it captured how much it fucking HURTS when somebody you trust falls for the very propaganda harming you.
NGL I love the undercut that Nimona has in this movie, the hair she had in the original comic was just not very good.
Did you see the look on Nimona's face when Ballister was fixing her leg. She isn't used to someone helping her at all.
Hey! Who said you could rebrand? Oh? You did? Ok carry on, I love you
As a person actually living under a conservative militarised dictatorship that holds itself mostly by lies, propaganda and corruption (hello from Russia!), I can say that I loved loved LOVED this animated masterpiece SO MUCH.
Holy crap new channel name I totally missed that
Saw the movie an hour after this video, not sure I would've noticed it otherwise since I'm not exactly the fondest of Netflix as a company, but I loved Nimona regardless. Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention!
yess
New channel name: We Are Not Diregentelmen
Nimona reminded me of Bartimaeus, except a chaotic good instead of Bartimaeus' almost malicious true neutral
As a nonbinary person I've never felt so seen by a piece of media.
Is it just me or does Gus’ voice sounds a little different? Granted it has been a while since I’ve heard their voice.
Epic
this movie speaks well to me because well... we're already fighting against the institute here in my corner of the world.
ironically it's the whole corrupted church situation all ocer again. and it fits PERFECTLY.
the institute isn't build to protect. it's built to preserve those who are born with privilege. i loved this movie. not just because if the queer coding.
everything about it. EVERYTHING.
it's speaking to me. stop enduring the mistreatment. you deserve better.
I dont know if someone has said this but i would recommend Negative Legends video on nimona. Their review touched on the punk themes as well. I found for a couple youtubers the queer and punk themes just went completely over their heads tbh
Its Sooo good🫰🥰
Funny how people get on Disney has if it is just one thing and not many different people and that no one makes mistakes and that mistake was done by others. Wasn't it Disney that went against the governor of Florida.
Was Glorith even a Knight? Like I wonder, did she even fight any monsters or was it all made up?
They definitely exaggerated the legend of how she fought off the “monster.” But it seems she did build an elite of Knights that transcends generations.
oh yeah probably pick up the different but similar webcomic?!
It's so funny knowing that Nate Stevenson hadn't realized he was non-binary when he wrote the original web comic, because she's such an obvious enby allegory. I don't know how much they changed in the adaptation, but there's so many lines that are very obvious projections of Nate's gender weirdness roiling beneath the surface
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There's something so extremely poignant about the villain of this film being this outwardly traditionally feminine woman who presents herself as a victimized damsel who is so eloquent about the way she talks about her bigoted beliefs and the instant that fair damsel facade doesn't suit her anymore, she chooses to unleash violence not just on her specific target, but to anyone in her way. Hmm, I wonder who this could be about?
I hope we get a Sequel exploring more about Gloreth and what Nimona feels about her.
due to this video I think I realize why my mom hates this movie
I really enjoyed the movie and what it tried to do. My biggest critisism of this movie however is the pacing, its so fast to the point where most of my Family missed the point of it all and thought it was "Okay". Even in this review I noticed a lot more here than I did watching the movie.
And one other thing as well, I didnt at all relate this to real life and tearing down tradition since that has already happened way before I was born. This may be more applicable to Africa, parts of Asia and the Middle east becuase those countries are still trying to rise up and have their voices spoken. (My hearts go out to you, and the many people who lost their lives trying to be different.)
I loved Nimona, and simply cant wait for the Five Nights at Freddy's movie as well. Thanks "We are not alive"
gay rights
Did you watch the movie Meg?
Honestly this movie didn’t impress me. But I’m glad other people are enjoying it.
Nimona is a wonderful movie, even if it has some moments of it not as appreciated by me. The major one is better expressed IN SONG(that I stole from someone more talented):
/But whyyy?
Three seconds ago we were fine
And now I have to argue with you
So we could separate for one scene
And then we're gonna rendezvous
To move plot forward on quuuue/.
Movie was good, the webcomic was better
I one of the guys who despised the kiss in lightyear. And I LOOOVED Nimona. You really don't understand one second what you're talking about.
Guy's you completely missed what it's all about, the big difference here 1- FORCED to check a DEI box like Disney, so forced it jumps in your face or 2- NATURAL so natural you're brain barely remarks it's there like Nimona.
The fact you're hoping your political enemy's get's aneurisms is why Hollywood is dying, people will loose their jobs, and the whole industry will disappear. Instead of being escapism, it became politics. And the people who want's escapism (90% of the audience) will go watch other stuff. Hollywood will die, and then ask "What happened" because they never took 1 sec to analyze what they where doing wrong.
Political messaging "feels" it's always right, it's truly a cult, and you cannot explain anything to a cult. It will have to financially die, sadly.
The plothole at two thirds through kinda threw me off, but It was a very enjoyable movie otherwise.
I don't think Ballister ever started trusting the Director again, but he did believe in the legend of Glorith and faced with evidence that Nimona was the great evil she was supposed to have fought makes him doubt her. He doesn't think the Director is a good guy and didn't kill the queen, but he's also doubting Nimona's reasons for helping him, because everything he's been told leads him to believe that Glorith's monster was evil and he's just found out it was her.
@@wendyheatherwood Hmmm, I guess that kind of makes sense.
I thought this movie was... OK. it looks fantastic, very well put together film. But... I guess it was just too much of a kids movie for me, it really fell flat in a lot of ways and felt quite rushed and predictable. and, like almost every kids movie I've ever watched... was better in the parts where the plot wasn't really happening, every time the plot is happening I felt myself losing interest rapidly in all of the drama scenes.
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...is awesome!!!😁
Idk, sounds homosexual