Thank you for taking the time to do this, David - so appreciated. Happy to answer any questions commenters might have about the Waxwing and Parks Audio (that's me --> Shannon). Keep spinning that vinyl, folks!
@@MODAC If I could change a couple components and make the Waxwing perform better, I'd do it tomorrow and keep the price the same. So I like concentrating on a single design and doing my best to make it affordable.
@Thunderbird139 No adjustments on the amount of harmonic distortion. I basically set it to a similar level one would experience with a 300B triode amp (for 2nd) and typical tape deck saturation (for 3rd). The level of distortion is low at lower signals and grows to maximum distortion percentage at full signal - just like the analog methods. It's a sweet spot - not sure one would even notice less distortion.
The whole idea behind this wasn't even as a "tube emulation" function, but rather was inspired after listening to a talk by John Curl (the renown audio engineer from Parasound). I wanted to do 2nd through 7th harmonic distortion settings, so folks could "hear the difference" of different types of distortion. I may still get around to that.
I absolutely love my waxwing. I have an all digital system with a genelec active speakers and the waxwing allows me to still enjoy my record collection with all the benefits of keeping the audio signal in the digital domain all the way to the speakers internal dacs.
Great video. Thank you. You set this up nicely to do an episode where you compare your vinyl listening experience using your different Dacs. I haven’t seen anyone do that kind of thing before 🤯
Combing two seemingly opposed technologies to achieve a better outcome is a mature approach. Good find. And good for you supporting your own countrymen in their endeavours instead of chasing free gear from Chinese manufacturers like so many others do.
This is a tiny miracle - I don’t even care if it sounds digital - just slightly/slightly. It sounds fantastic-easy breezy / totally functional - very happy
Terrific video Dave. I always find them informative and appreciate the creativity you put into them. I was intrigued when you reviewed the Puffin, but didn't have a table at that time. I have 2 tables now and have been exploring phono preamps. I may just pick one up. Keep up the great stuff 👍
Thanks for excellent video! You mention at around the 7:00 mark that one can use the analog outputs when you using the internal DAC. A DAC is not needed in this device as it already has an analog input which only needs amplification before exiting via the analog outputs. It does have an ADC used for converting the analog to digital for the digital outputs.
Thanks for this review. Without going through all the comments, I dont know if anyone has asked how the Waxwing compares sonically to the Puffin? I guess since technically the innards are similar, there should be no difference......can you comment?
Looks amazing! Would this device let me play vertical cut 78 rpm records, such as the Pathé, without me having to touch the wiring on the cartridge itself? Using a Stanton V500.3.
Kind of a bummer, I thought the Puffin would be the last phono preamp I would need! I would prefer not having to stand over it every time I start an LP. I also wasn't crazy about what I had to do to upgrade it. I now wonder, who would buy it on the used market since the Waxwing is just as affordable. I guess I might be able to sell the Puffin at a bargin price.
Nope. Everyone needs the get over this analog to digital thing. Several high end companies like Linn, Technics, Daniel Hertz, McIntosh, etc are selling gear that converts analog to digital, and then back to analog. My albums don’t sound like CDs…they sound like fantastic analog recordings. Record collecting is one of my passions, why would I want to do something vastly less interesting and download SACD files?…which have zero history or intrinsic value? Thanks
I'm considering this product to pair with my Technics SL-1200MK7... I really like the way they approach/solved/evolve the device interface BUT see this so many times in tech industry, and I'm sorry for this, I'm kinda concern about an app being the sole source of interface... What if updates stop? What if it starts to move to a subscription based model? Dunno.... Sorry for being the wet blanket... ☹
I am confident that Shannon will not move to subscriptions. That would pretty much ruin his business. If you watched the video, you know why he moved to the app interface. It’s a great product that I use everyday.
@@MODAC I watched the video... And commend his approach on the interface evolution. It's just I just think we as a whole depend too much on apps and online stuff... That's doesn't diminish at all the fact the product seems awesome... I'll sleep on it, most likely pull the trigger tomorrow...
I love your reviews, subscribed and clicked 👍🏻 but... This has nothing to do with heresy. It is pure logic. And my ears concur that an ADC ruins a lot of information. I tested it this week with a 2k MC cartridge via my Rose streamer (no slouch!). It totally destroyed the soundstage. You just can never restore lost information with any digital fiddling. Smeared timing will remain smeared. It's not easy to find a good phono under $500. For the price class this ADC phono could serve well but it will NOT scale up. So if you have a $5000 Linn and a very good ML MC cartridge you can just as well sell those and buy a great U-turn. Where would you expect the bottleneck to be with a $100 ADC, a $3k DAC and a $5k turntable? If you buy a reissued LP and play it with the Waxwing or Puffin you will get ADC>DAC>LP>ADC>DAC. Do you really think the $500 Waxwing with a ADC and a DAC will sound as good as pure analog (or 10^-30 granularity in this Matrix). By the way: our ears are made digital. Each hair tuned to 1 specific frequency in the cochlea triggers 1 specific nerve ending. Just like our eyes are digital RGB or B&W cones or rods. If you have a really fine turntable with a similarly fine cartridge this is not a good choice. Better look for a great MM and a SUT. I own a Gold Note PH10+PSU with silver wire SUT, several modified Chinese tube phonostages and a modified Jolida and they all sound very good, only with different features. And most are priced
Thanks for your comments. I have not experienced the soundstage destruction and smearing that you say you heard. The Waxwing is a very clever bit of engineering that satisfies the needs of many record enthusiasts. Beside working very well, I find there is great utility and value with all of the additional features. I shot a video a few months ago in which I checked out the $1500 analog Kitsune LCR-1 Mk5 phono preamp. I directly compared it to the Puffin paired with an excellent $1000 SMSL DAC. In my opinion, the Kitsune edged out the Puffin/SMSL combo, but not by a huge margin. I did try the Puffin with an SUT and got excellent results.
If you believe that LPs are superior to digital there simply is no point in converting analog signals to digital. Just listen to Cds or stream. Sell your LPs.
@@MODAC Explain why this makes no sense. Why would it matter where the digital conversion takes place. In the recording studio or at home using an analog to digital converter. Mobile Fidelity was sued for this exact issue. They were selling LPs as pure analog but on a tour of the factory a guest saw that the signal was being pressed to LP using digital tapes. I'm not one of these analog is better than digital people. I'm just saying that once converted to digital you are no longer listening to analog. It may sound great but it's not analog. Therefore it makes no sense to hang on to your LPs when you can stream them in digital format online via Tidal or whatever. Hope that clears it up for you
@@robomaster4882the point is Fidelity and stability. Digital sources that are readily available do not perform as well to many of our ears as does vinyl. CDs to streaming may be convenient but it doesn’t have that extra level of separation if your hifi is good enough. Most of my vinyls are from a digital source as is most since early 80s. Its about listening not being some ocd purist. There are people who don’t EQ and listen to music with less impact because that’s what’s intended. If it doesn’t sound digital, compressed to me, i don’t care, my vinyls have beat their streaming and other counterparts to my ears. Id love the convenience but it hasn’t wowed me like a vinyl source regardless of interpolation
@gregjohnson247 I f you can't comprehend that if you play an LP through a analog to digital converter, which changes the analog signal to a series of one's and zeros for signal processing (now a digital signal)), and then converts it back to analog, which by now could at best be only a perfect reproduction of the digital signal then you need to go to @lame. Sorry this fact is over your head. I can't help you with that.
I don’t enjoy watching a cd spin as much as I do my vinyl. Streaming doesn’t even spin!!! 😂😂😂 Sometimes it’s the simple things that people like about vinyl. There’s a level of connection that goes beyond just listening. Some people enjoy the process.
Why???? Analog and then convert to digital anf back make no sense at all! Then you can stream or use CD. Analog means analog. Full stop. Don't get it. Cheers Stefan
@@robomaster4882 what does “superior” mean? Like all aspects of hifi appreciation, it is a purely subjective opinion. I use both formats and enjoy listening to records far more. There is no argument here. Sorry.
@robomaster4882 yes, it’s “digital”, but it still sounds just like a vinyl record, not a CD. I’m not an analog purist…whatever sounds good to my ears is what I enjoy. Steaming is boring and not engaging. Records are fun to hunt and collect, and a very high percentage of LPs are more dynamic than the compressed CD releases.
@@MODAC CDs have a dynamic range capability of 96 db. An LP has about 40. However, how much of that is used is up to the recording engineer. On rock music especially, this is compressed so that it has a lot of volume output. I mean AC/ DC or whoever don't have a lot of dynamic range. It's all about volume. So some LPs could have more dynamic range than CDs due to how they are mixed in the studio by the recording engineer. My point that "once converted to digital you are no longer listening to a pure analog digital" is purely objective fact. It is now a digital signal converted to back to analog for playback on an audio system. Just like CDs or streaming. The rest of your comment is subjective so whatever floats your boat on that part. Oh one other fact about the Mofi issue I mentioned which they settled out of court. Michael Fremer was reviewing some of the "analog only" releases by them and claimed some titles were far superior to the digital versions. Then the story about Mofi came out and those LPs were found to be from digital tapes made from the original analog recordings. All he could say was that they just put this story out to embarrass him and other "golden ear" audio reviewers. Well, he should be. It proved he's full of it. Enjoy your music however and believe whatever you want to. That's your right.
Thank you for taking the time to do this, David - so appreciated. Happy to answer any questions commenters might have about the Waxwing and Parks Audio (that's me --> Shannon). Keep spinning that vinyl, folks!
How about a Waxwing SE with fancier components for $1k-1.5k for all the snobs out there?
@@MODAC If I could change a couple components and make the Waxwing perform better, I'd do it tomorrow and keep the price the same. So I like concentrating on a single design and doing my best to make it affordable.
@Thunderbird139 No adjustments on the amount of harmonic distortion. I basically set it to a similar level one would experience with a 300B triode amp (for 2nd) and typical tape deck saturation (for 3rd). The level of distortion is low at lower signals and grows to maximum distortion percentage at full signal - just like the analog methods. It's a sweet spot - not sure one would even notice less distortion.
The whole idea behind this wasn't even as a "tube emulation" function, but rather was inspired after listening to a talk by John Curl (the renown audio engineer from Parasound). I wanted to do 2nd through 7th harmonic distortion settings, so folks could "hear the difference" of different types of distortion. I may still get around to that.
@Thunderbird139 That's interesting! Really trust Nelson Pass's ear, so will have to check this out.
I absolutely love my waxwing. I have an all digital system with a genelec active speakers and the waxwing allows me to still enjoy my record collection with all the benefits of keeping the audio signal in the digital domain all the way to the speakers internal dacs.
Great video. Thank you. You set this up nicely to do an episode where you compare your vinyl listening experience using your different Dacs. I haven’t seen anyone do that kind of thing before 🤯
Totally digging my Waxwing. Couldn't be happier with it.
Combing two seemingly opposed technologies to achieve a better outcome is a mature approach. Good find. And good for you supporting your own countrymen in their endeavours instead of chasing free gear from Chinese manufacturers like so many others do.
Incredible product. Absolutely love mine, and a fantastic progression from the Puffin.
Love my Puffin but would not hesitate to get the Waxwing. Great company and terrific support!
Thanks! A lot for the review on the Waxwing it was a great addition to my system. Much appreciated 🎉
Thank you. 🙏 Very much appreciated!
"fine balance" is for compensating the channel imbalance of the cartridge itself. Thanks for the nice review!
I bought a Puffin on your video recommendation, & have been super happy with it. I had been wondering about the Waxwing, thanks!
Unfortunately we audiophiles don't know the meaning of the word "LAST", even a $100,000 phono preamp would not be the last, great review, thanks.
Very true my friend.
Best wishes to all from Scotland.
Jim🏴🙂
I was just reading a review of an Audio Note M3 Phono Pre that retails for $11,000! 🎉
This is a tiny miracle - I don’t even care if it sounds digital - just slightly/slightly. It sounds fantastic-easy breezy / totally functional - very happy
It's certainly an interesting piece of kit. Thanks for posting.
Jom🏴🙂
Great product. Only nitpick I have are the feet/rubber bands around the entire outer case. A little unsightly.
Those are thick bumpers, not rubber bands. Thx
Terrific video Dave. I always find them informative and appreciate the creativity you put into them. I was intrigued when you reviewed the Puffin, but didn't have a table at that time. I have 2 tables now and have been exploring phono preamps. I may just pick one up. Keep up the great stuff 👍
The 6 Acoustic York phono stage is a ball buster
Hi Dave Nice job. Interesting device. I hope to see you at Axpona. I’ll be in the Geshelli room again I’m sure!
Thanks. Unfortunately, I won't be at AXPONA due to work stuff. Have fun.
Great video. Thank you. This seems to be a very smart device. Alas, $839 here in Australia
Subscribed and turned on notifications! I’ve been following you, but now I’m committed! 😂
Thanks for excellent video! You mention at around the 7:00 mark that one can use the analog outputs when you using the internal DAC. A DAC is not needed in this device as it already has an analog input which only needs amplification before exiting via the analog outputs. It does have an ADC used for converting the analog to digital for the digital outputs.
I have been a subscriber of yours before the Puffin video. In fact I remember on of the first videos I saw of your, you were out in the woods.
I definitely want one
Thanks for this review.
Without going through all the comments, I dont know if anyone has asked how the Waxwing compares sonically to the Puffin? I guess since technically the innards are similar, there should be no difference......can you comment?
More compact and easier to use than the Puffin. Also, a superior value. Guts are pretty much the same, however.
Technically the digital outputs are from an ADC ( Analog to Digital converter) 😊
Well yes?
shocked that the puffin got replaced
Any thoughts regarding the waxwings ability to remove ticks and pops?
The improvement is audible.
I love my York phono stage
Thank you
Looks amazing! Would this device let me play vertical cut 78 rpm records, such as the Pathé, without me having to touch the wiring on the cartridge itself? Using a Stanton V500.3.
Yes, I believe it will.
Seems like this would be an ideal way to apply different RIAA curves, such as for 78RPM records, but I don’t see that in the settings.
I does have those features, but I didn’t show them.
Correction: I looked at the manual, and it is in fact adjustable in the EQ setting.
@cunningtim yes indeed. You need one!
Kind of a bummer, I thought the Puffin would be the last phono preamp I would need! I would prefer not having to stand over it every time I start an LP. I also wasn't crazy about what I had to do to upgrade it. I now wonder, who would buy it on the used market since the Waxwing is just as affordable. I guess I might be able to sell the Puffin at a bargin price.
No worries - lots of folks still want a Puffin, Pete! You'll be able to basically upgrade for free if you choose to.
Silly question but isn’t adding a digital stage just sampling your analog signal? Wouldn’t SACD be the answer at this point?
Nope. Everyone needs the get over this analog to digital thing. Several high end companies like Linn, Technics, Daniel Hertz, McIntosh, etc are selling gear that converts analog to digital, and then back to analog. My albums don’t sound like CDs…they sound like fantastic analog recordings. Record collecting is one of my passions, why would I want to do something vastly less interesting and download SACD files?…which have zero history or intrinsic value? Thanks
Hello
Thank you for the video. Is there a mode by which you can bypass the dsp?
Thanks
Yes
Would this be an upgrade to the phono stage in my yamaha a
-s701?
Could be.
Im confused. Is this only for use with a DAC?
It has a DAC inside. You have options.
I'm considering this product to pair with my Technics SL-1200MK7... I really like the way they approach/solved/evolve the device interface BUT see this so many times in tech industry, and I'm sorry for this, I'm kinda concern about an app being the sole source of interface... What if updates stop? What if it starts to move to a subscription based model? Dunno.... Sorry for being the wet blanket... ☹
I am confident that Shannon will not move to subscriptions. That would pretty much ruin his business. If you watched the video, you know why he moved to the app interface. It’s a great product that I use everyday.
@@MODAC I watched the video... And commend his approach on the interface evolution. It's just I just think we as a whole depend too much on apps and online stuff... That's doesn't diminish at all the fact the product seems awesome... I'll sleep on it, most likely pull the trigger tomorrow...
I love your reviews, subscribed and clicked 👍🏻 but...
This has nothing to do with heresy. It is pure logic. And my ears concur that an ADC ruins a lot of information. I tested it this week with a 2k MC cartridge via my Rose streamer (no slouch!). It totally destroyed the soundstage. You just can never restore lost information with any digital fiddling. Smeared timing will remain smeared.
It's not easy to find a good phono under $500. For the price class this ADC phono could serve well but it will NOT scale up.
So if you have a $5000 Linn and a very good ML MC cartridge you can just as well sell those and buy a great U-turn.
Where would you expect the bottleneck to be with a $100 ADC, a $3k DAC and a $5k turntable?
If you buy a reissued LP and play it with the Waxwing or Puffin you will get ADC>DAC>LP>ADC>DAC. Do you really think the $500 Waxwing with a ADC and a DAC will sound as good as pure analog (or 10^-30 granularity in this Matrix).
By the way: our ears are made digital. Each hair tuned to 1 specific frequency in the cochlea triggers 1 specific nerve ending. Just like our eyes are digital RGB or B&W cones or rods.
If you have a really fine turntable with a similarly fine cartridge this is not a good choice. Better look for a great MM and a SUT.
I own a Gold Note PH10+PSU with silver wire SUT, several modified Chinese tube phonostages and a modified Jolida and they all sound very good, only with different features. And most are priced
Thanks for your comments. I have not experienced the soundstage destruction and smearing that you say you heard. The Waxwing is a very clever bit of engineering that satisfies the needs of many record enthusiasts. Beside working very well, I find there is great utility and value with all of the additional features.
I shot a video a few months ago in which I checked out the $1500 analog Kitsune LCR-1 Mk5 phono preamp. I directly compared it to the Puffin paired with an excellent $1000 SMSL DAC.
In my opinion, the Kitsune edged out the Puffin/SMSL combo, but not by a huge margin.
I did try the Puffin with an SUT and got excellent results.
One would NOT want a digital phono preamp. Just stream crappy digital music if that's what you want.
If you don't want it, simply don't buy one. Other people may have a different view.
If you believe that LPs are superior to digital there simply is no point in converting analog signals to digital. Just listen to Cds or stream. Sell your LPs.
You know that makes no sense at all. Thanks
@@MODAC Explain why this makes no sense. Why would it matter where the digital conversion takes place. In the recording studio or at home using an analog to digital converter. Mobile Fidelity was sued for this exact issue. They were selling LPs as pure analog but on a tour of the factory a guest saw that the signal was being pressed to LP using digital tapes. I'm not one of these analog is better than digital people. I'm just saying that once converted to digital you are no longer listening to analog. It may sound great but it's not analog. Therefore it makes no sense to hang on to your LPs when you can stream them in digital format online via Tidal or whatever. Hope that clears it up for you
@@robomaster4882the point is Fidelity and stability. Digital sources that are readily available do not perform as well to many of our ears as does vinyl. CDs to streaming may be convenient but it doesn’t have that extra level of separation if your hifi is good enough. Most of my vinyls are from a digital source as is most since early 80s. Its about listening not being some ocd purist. There are people who don’t EQ and listen to music with less impact because that’s what’s intended. If it doesn’t sound digital, compressed to me, i don’t care, my vinyls have beat their streaming and other counterparts to my ears. Id love the convenience but it hasn’t wowed me like a vinyl source regardless of interpolation
@gregjohnson247 I f you can't comprehend that if you play an LP through a analog to digital converter, which changes the analog signal to a series of one's and zeros for signal processing (now a digital signal)), and then converts it back to analog, which by now could at best be only a perfect reproduction of the digital signal then you need to go to @lame. Sorry this fact is over your head. I can't help you with that.
I don’t enjoy watching a cd spin as much as I do my vinyl. Streaming doesn’t even spin!!! 😂😂😂 Sometimes it’s the simple things that people like about vinyl. There’s a level of connection that goes beyond just listening. Some people enjoy the process.
Why???? Analog and then convert to digital anf back make no sense at all!
Then you can stream or use CD.
Analog means analog. Full stop.
Don't get it.
Cheers
Stefan
It’s ok. You don’t need to understand. Thx
@@robomaster4882 what does “superior” mean? Like all aspects of hifi appreciation, it is a purely subjective opinion. I use both formats and enjoy listening to records far more. There is no argument here. Sorry.
@robomaster4882 yes, it’s “digital”, but it still sounds just like a vinyl record, not a CD. I’m not an analog purist…whatever sounds good to my ears is what I enjoy. Steaming is boring and not engaging. Records are fun to hunt and collect, and a very high percentage of LPs are more dynamic than the compressed CD releases.
@@MODAC CDs have a dynamic range capability of 96 db. An LP has about 40. However, how much of that is used is up to the recording engineer. On rock music especially, this is compressed so that it has a lot of volume output. I mean AC/ DC or whoever don't have a lot of dynamic range. It's all about volume. So some LPs could have more dynamic range than CDs due to how they are mixed in the studio by the recording engineer. My point that "once converted to digital you are no longer listening to a pure analog digital" is purely objective fact. It is now a digital signal converted to back to analog for playback on an audio system. Just like CDs or streaming. The rest of your comment is subjective so whatever floats your boat on that part. Oh one other fact about the Mofi issue I mentioned which they settled out of court. Michael Fremer was reviewing some of the "analog only" releases by them and claimed some titles were far superior to the digital versions. Then the story about Mofi came out and those LPs were found to be from digital tapes made from the original analog recordings. All he could say was that they just put this story out to embarrass him and other "golden ear" audio reviewers. Well, he should be. It proved he's full of it. Enjoy your music however and believe whatever you want to. That's your right.
@@robomaster4882 hey, this is supposed to be fun. You are taking it all too seriously.