Kruat, please do central asia? Like the khanate and energy disputes. It will probably be like a multi-part series so I suggest to not think about it just wait on it
>Barges into government >noticeably improves life for lower class without ruining the upper class >restores political and social stability >refuses to capitalize on his success >leaves
@@aturchomicz821 well the idea is that they contributed a lot to earn the right to be decadent parasites, but it kind of falls apart when they just pass on the privilege to their kids.
This is my first attempt to try to summarize what would usually be a 4 hour series, into under 20 minutes. I hope it worked, and that the video is still good enough according to the standard of quality that you may expect.
The Spartans were great innovators, they managed to create a currency that was used for warfare and *moans* Edit: I shall now remove myself from existence
it's still quite good. Though i reckon much of your core audience would watch anything you made, but don't let that discourage you, just make good videos, long or short.
I do usually like your more in depth reading into history, but this is a nice quick video. I think you could find an equilibrium in the future of your hour long series’ and short summations of history. Which ever way you go, you better believe I’ll be here for it. Great stuff!!
Politicans: It cant hurt when i have direct control over that The legendary Solon: Yeah mate, lets trash the old system, improve it and then go on an adventure!
Greeks then: we will create democracy, philosophy, Western art, code of laws, and many scientific/mathematical discoveries Greeks now: germany wheres my mony
@@Pretisy well to be a Greek you had to have 4 things. Omoglosson same language Omotropon same ways, customs Omoaimon same Blood and Omothriskon same Religion So I have no idea where you got the tolerant part from.
Thanks to this i can't stop imagining a little girl just going to a small shrine and just calmly chanting "Blood for the blood god", and that is so incredibly funny to me.
It's debatable, the Athenians were proud of the equality of all citizens in front of the law, but never used the word δημοκρατία, they would have found the concept of the power to the people appalling.
hey kraut - before this place gets full just wanna say thank you for the Turkish series. learned a lot and i'm glad people saw it. cheers man. every content of your channel is amazing! good luck
I was always fascinated with ancient greek history Art, Sience, litterature, Architecture, Theater, Democracy, Mythology,History Everything that that shaped the Western civilization started thousands of years before in these city states. Also thank you for the video it was really wholesome from you
"If you fail, your God's will die!" Wait, but I thought my God can't die? "Your ancestors will too!" But they're already dead! "No they're not bro, they're spoopy ghosts. If you don't fight, they will surely truly die" Okay, but I didn't really like the- "Don't go to war and we'll kill you" ME CITY GREAT! HAIL CITY!
But it's right. Gods who are not worshiped by anyone are dead. Ancestors who are not remembered are also truly dead. Fighting and dying in battle is for preserving your people who are an extension of your self and your identity. Individualism was not a thing.
Herodatus tends to do that when writing about something or someone who was real. He tends to write down the most sensational version of the story he encounters.
16:18 funny thing about all the Greek imitation architecture seen across Europe, a tour guide in Athens told us they're all based on the Arch Of Hadrian, a structure commissioned when Rome took over Greece. The Greek who built it made a brick and mortar (Roman) main archway, topped with marble pillar and triangular roof (Greek). The point was that it was a secret "fuck you" to Rome, and apparently some Greek historians like to view structures such as the Arc du Triomphe and Brandenburg Gate as a continuation of that defiant Greek spirit, unbeknownst to the builders. I think it might have just been his national pride talking, but find it interesting nonetheless
It wouldn't make sense for the Arch of Hadrian to have been commissioned when Rome took over Greece, because the Hadrian the arch is named for ruled as Emperor almost 300 years after Rome conquered Greece.
A really profound portrayal of Athens' departure from ancestor-worship and embrace of the project of statehood can be found in Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War. When reading, pay attention to where he mentions the Athenians fleeing the city on their ships to escape the Persians, and in whose mouth he puts the remarks, because to flee the city was to flee one's ancestors aboard the products of the state rather than the family. One finds a fascinating commentary which sheds much light on Thucydides' own opinion of the state-building project and those who spearheaded it.
I love how the introduction of Herodotus is shown as a breaking of the 4th wall, just like Herodotus himself tried to peer through the 'box' he found himself in by writing down anything he heard, saw and perceived.
while Athens was leading in all fields, be it governance models, architecture, etc; the city state of Sparta right next door was a functioning slave society
They were all slave societies though, the Lacedaimonian state just institutionalised it by dividing ethnically with Spartans on top and helots on the bottom, as opposed to dividing it by market forces/war booty/some other system.
@@cormacdonnelly365 Ehhhh, the problem with that is that there is no evidence of any actual ethnic difference between the Spartans and their slaves, that was simply part of their mythology.
@@allstarlord9110 Probably not. The Athenians would have still been eventually conquered by the Romans. People often forget just how good at war the Romans were, and how they just came in and conquered everything over a few hundred years.
@@kakalimukherjee3297 Yeah, I watched him from back in the day. He used to make anti-SJW content/anti-altright content. He's transitioned to making quality longform history videos now.
It will get demonetized most probably, since he would have to cover all the murder, genocide and sacking of other communities, especially when he talks about the slavic serboi tribes that migrated to the Balkans in 600AD and their being till this day in form of the nation of serbia.
Kraut says his sponsor is surfshark, he says he's teaching us Greek history. But I know that "Athenian" owl... he's up in here doing what duolingo only wishes it could.
I just imagine an conversation between an Spartan and someone from a diffrent Polis Dude: Hey Sparta, why arent you using coins the make traiding so easy! Spartan: Nah mate, i stay with metal rods. D: But why? Coins are so much more convinient- S: Yeah but what if war breaks out? D: So? S: Any my spear is broken? D: Buy a new one? With... coins? S: Yeah but what if everybody spear is broken? Havent thought about that hm? Yeah, i stay with my metal rods, i can make them easily into a weapon. D: ... okay bro. I aint got a problem, chief.
@@stekra3159 so? You can melt coins into weapons also... Coins were made of a variety of metals, from gold to copper, iron also So the point here is that the difference in the usage of the currency is not the physical appearance of the currency but the value, the rods were just coins in large size or deflated coins. 1lb of iron in rode shape is more valuable than 3 coins of iron... Spartans were more rich than Athenians, just that. The joke make no sense because puts the Spartans as fools when they had the more valuable currency and had no devaluation in their currency... From a practical and economic view has no point. I get the joke but, for me, makes no sense, Athenians had to pay the coinage and use a devaluated currency and Spartans had easier to prepare for war and a better currency. Don't take me seriously, I can laugh at anything anytime but some jokes, doesn't make me laugh even if are objectively good in the ""normie"" sphere, and this is one
@@maxstirner6143 Spartans didn't like trading like other nations did they also didn't want it's citizens to hoard money and get rich. On a note, coins were invented around 500bC so before that using other things to trade with like obols and talants were the standard so Sparta just stuck with it. On another note, Sparta did use a coin at some point but it was large and heavy on purpose for the reasons I mentioned above.
@@kosmas173 Well if you don't export anything, having a deflated currency is not bad. And I doubt Sparta was exporting anything in large amount unless they do mercenary work. But Athens do export so using coin would be a smarter choice.
@@generalpinochetfoundthesol3747 Are you sure? I don't recall PJW using any ancient greek iconography on his channel. Personally I was wondering if Kraut was making a dig about Sargon naming his discord server Athens, like HBomberguy referenced in his Fallout: New Vegas video a while back.
Watching a video on ancient Greece as a Greek myself is always a very conflicting experience. On one hand, it's great to see all the stuff you were taught in school be explained in an easily digestible way, helping people understand why we Greeks still hold onto our past the way we do. On the other hand, the numerous "haha greece poor lmao" jokes made by people who have never been to Greece are a little irritating after the 10.000th time. Putting that aside, this was a great video. Very much looking forward to the next.
Dude I literally used 2 videos of his, did further research to find original sources (especially on China taking the EU in 'trumps biggest mistake' on this presentation for my politics final
There is an great book written by Numa Denis Fustel De Coulanges in the XIXth century, called "The Ancient City". The case he makes is that Greek and Roman cultures are much more alien to ours than we think, because of the cult of the ancestors and the social structure that was all built around the hearth that could never go out, and how that deeply affected their way of thinking about concepts such as Law. Very good account of the steps such a culture could have followed, although he overstated the role of religion by cherry picking some sources. That being said, he has read all of the literature in original languages, and the way that he takes two similar claims by writers of different eras and build another piece of a puzzle is genius. And he does accomplish his goal to repudiate the Robespierres and Rousseaus of his society when they saw modern cultures as analogous to the ancients. But it is much more, and still one of THE must reads (available in the public domain online).
The comparison of Egyptian and Greek statues over time is such an excellent point. I've long been fascinated by the effect different cultures had on each other and how it's clearly seen in earlier Greek art, and the gradual change in style as the Greek society progressed. But I've never known about the correlation between the structure of both societies and the evolution of the art they create.
As a coin collector, I understand just how important currency is in a historical sense. Say you find an ancient burial site or a grave. And in the grave there is a coin. You can use that going to narrow down who that person was. Not like their name and all that. But where they have been, at what point in time, and for what. There was pretty much a completely unique coin, every 5 mi.² They would differ from village to village, town to town, city state to city state, nation to nation. One of the most famous was mentioned in this video, and the Athenian Owl. And there are many examples, varieties, dimensions, etc. A coin can tell you so much, and if they could talk, historians would be out of a job. I. Not only did every community have their own coins, they all had multiple denominations, sizes, purities, weights, composition, etc.… Bronze, Silver, Gold, Copper, and Electrum were all very common materials used for ancient coins in various alloys, purities and weights. The designs would change quite often as well. That is why you can use an ancient coin to pinpoint where someone was on a historical timeline. In the Athenian owl was used for almost 1000 years, on and off, in various different states, either with a different reverse, a slightly different design, a different date, a different name, different motto, etc… let’s get back to that coin we found in that burial site. More likely than not we will be able to pinpoint a date within 20 years.
I just want to say that you're slightly off about WHY Sparta used iron rods. One of the biggest reasons Sparta fell behind is because they refused to adopt standardized currency in order to prevent the hoarding of money. The closest thing they had to currency was obeloi, which are the heavy iron rods in question. In order to engage in commerce the city-state still heavily engaged in bartering. >For who was going to steal something, or take bribes in it, or steal it, or take it by force, when it wasn’t possible to conceal it, to possess it jealously, or even to make a profit by cutting it up? For the red-hot iron was quenched with vinegar, it’s said, so that the hardening took away its usefulness and value for any other purpose, making it weak and unworkable. ~ Plutarch The rods were not made for spear ends because the vinegar made them the worst spear tips in the world. They couldn't economically compete with their neighbors. They had slaves to do the hard work, were trained to be autistic misers since infancy, had a good propaganda machine, and cared not for commerce. And that's why Sparta ended as the Disneyland of Rome
Hey Kraut, I have a bachelors degree in history and although I didnt chose this as my career, I know most of the things you present but I still find great joy in listening to them yet again. Keep up with this good work! Cheers!
Athens was (like Sparta) also somewhat unique and more of an exception among the Greek city states, especially because because their power came from their navy and the navy needed a bunch of lower class people, even just to row the triremes, so these people now found enough political power to pressure the elites of Athens into a "democracy" (the word used in its ancient sense) and honestly Athenian democracy was far from a logical, well functioning governing operatus…. looking at the Sicilian expedition is enough to make that clear Anyway, that development did not happen in Corinth or Thebes or Argos, combine that with Athens involvement in the Persian wars, the silver mine and the advantageous geography and you got a recipe for a city state that could undergo the journey into statehood Also we shouldn’t forget that Athens is so well studied among the city states simply because of sources, we just have far more surviving information on Athens then any other city state (and that alone already tells us something about the unique nature of the whole thing)
This video is splendid, I have recently developed a great interest in ancient history about Athen. It's a perfect summary, connecting all the different books and stories from religion, to myth, to wars, and so on together. Splendid introductory video!
It's fascinating how this ancient Greek obsession with family and the importance that family had to them still persists in Greek society today. A lot of Greeks are taught from a young age that family is the most important thing and everything else goes after(this of course depends on the parents, as some view God as more important than family).
the summarization worked-- excellent pacing and perfect length! i live alone so i watch videos when i eat my at-home night meal and that 15-20m window is perfect to absorb the information/experience and neither activity gets interrupted. as someone who looks forward to your long docs/series immensely, i'm glad to see these shortdives joining my mealtime lineup too! you distill the info so well and the visuals are perfect.
My AP World History teacher has a series of videos he uses to teach called the School of Athens (ironic given his obsession with Persia). That 16:50 comment reminded me of this, and gave me a good chuckle.
I was wondering who he was throwing a dig at but I couldn't name anybody. Sargon was the one that I thought of but that context is wrong. Anyone actually know who he's talking about?
Except the big concepts we all know more or less Greece invented which shaped the Western world, created categories of Sciences, Democracy, Olympics, Battle Tactics etc, another interesting fact is the small ones they invented, like, the one you described about the bride. Also, the reason we have 45' class and then break or when the professors speak and questions only at the end, also come by the Greeks. The geniuses oftentimes have had their quirks, like today. I don't remember his name, but in one of the first academies in Greece, a professor would become furious in case someone tried to interrupt him while after he finished his lesson, he was delightful to receive all the questions. All these small habits remained until today. In short, Greece shaped the Western world in many more ways one could imagine. It's not only the Democracy, Olympics, Sciences and Battle Tactics I mentioned above and kept them alive until today. Furthermore, just imagine the courage one would need in order to demote the planets overnight from their God-Status to simple "wanderers/objects". Only afterwards came the Heliocentrism by Democritus, but couldn't prove it until the telescope was invented much later. Also the Greeks through their sciences were first to study the growth of the olive oil tree. The big-figures have had helpers which would pay them to go as far up as the English Channel to measure the tide. What a journey that would be. Last but not least, since the Greeks created the first analog computer (the Antikythera Mechanism), after its discovery, people theorized in case Greeks hadn't had interrupted, they were on the verge of industrial revolution. Obviously, it wouldn't be exactly the same as we know it today from England and the US, but the world would progress much faster. However, we really cannot play the "what if" game. Too many parameters, variables. The Greeks have been fought by everyone. East, West, North even South. Needless to mention, I'm slightly proud I come from this little tribe of people. It's impressive the ingenuity and resolve of my forefathers is the reason we still exist. I'd call it a "miracle" but that'd be an oxymoron. 'Miracle' by definition is something which cannot happen.
I like how you put "το τέλος" in the end. Though, being a Greek, I want to tell you it's wrong. I suppose you google translated "the end" though in greek, "the" is not necessary. Just having end "τέλος" is the correct way to say it.
Phenomenal content Kraut! This short form content is a wonderful Bite-Size version of your longer pieces and it's a great change of pace! Keep up the great work! :D
Hey Kraut, have you heard of 'Histroia Civilis'? They make videos about (mainly) ancient history, and they have a great video about the structure of the Athenian state called 'The Constitution of Athens'. His videos are more focused on political structures and wars as opposed to your socio-economic&geopolitical aspects of history, but I think you both make some cool videos
5:24 of course it does. Remember Achilles, before the battle in Troy, he said to his tribe, the Myrmidons "Only one omen is good:fight for the land of your (fore)fathers."
Unless you already have, there’s content in relation to evidence that argues how Sparta was not the warrior based society we thought it was. The iron rod thing did happen as-well as their regimented society but none of it was exclusively militaristic as the society as a whole was an Aristocratic collective that demanded discipline not to make better warrior but rather better citizens.
I want to be one of the people to say that I like the return of the shorter videos. I still have yet to set aside the time to watch the final 2hr installment of the Mexico series, but I've actually got the time to watch through this video the same day it released. The shorter videos are more accessible for me at least
Loved the video, and I loved the outro message a ton. You spoke about the world, but here in Greece we speak very highly of ancient Greece and especially of Ancient Athens and its "Χρυσός Αιώνας" (Golden Century), where all the philosophy and theatre emerged. Yet we never speak about the institutions or structures of the time. We just hear how awesome everything was and assume that we were awesome. I myself was quite blind to a lot of things and made patriotic statements about Ancient Greek history, until I went to high school and happened upon a teacher who offer a different perspective. What I am saying is more people should learn about the institutions and beliefs these ancient people had, in order to correctly contrast them with today.
Woah, I think your voice mixed with polandballs puts me in a "long video mindset". This felt like it was 5 minutes long! As much as I do love the movie length type videos you produce, what really matters is that it works best for you.
@@Kraut_the_Parrot I thought that due to RUclips's bizarre preferential system, they were no longer economically viable? In any event I'm not paying for this and I'm having a good time so I see no reason to be anything but satisfied
The main answer would be in Kraut's definition of a "state". In many a sense, even tribes and gangs are states, in that they hold power over their residents, make and enforce rules, and so forth. Bronze age kingdoms can certainly be seen as states, as systems of rule - often with an extensive administrative system already. Kraut seems to use the term here, either for a modern, somewhat liberal state (characterized by universal laws, checks and balances etc). Or for a system that is governed by the system itself, rather than by a strongman's edict. As far as I'm aware, the Mycenaeans would rather be a network of city-states ruled by kings, which might ally and unite both defensively and offensively. It's hard to tell any details though. Quickly we'd start relying on much later legends, which may largely be speaking of their own time in a historical backdrop (as many "historical" novels and plays do).
As an iranian the greeks always fascinated me mostly because how they held their own against the iranian empires. Even though they were defeated most of the time by the iranians they always managed to defeat the iranians in very key moments in history and that really makes me want to figure out why and how they did it. Great video btw.
Simple answer: The Greeks were divided and a single city-state couldn`t possibly survive against the Persians for long hence the many victories of the Persians but the Greeks stopped killing each other and uniting during very key moments in history which was unfortunate for the Persians.
@@godscroissant1539 In Greece where I`m from they were mini stories in the ancient greek class in school about the small skirmishes between the Greek city states but I can`t really recommend you a public school book. If you want to know more about the city states during the Persian era then I suggest reading books about the Peloponnesian War or the Corinthian War that shows some city states allying with Persia and other stuff. If you want to know more about the Persian war effort in Greece then you should read a book about Darius the Great or Xerxes that will show you what the Persian Empire went through in Greece. You can watch videos about the history between Greece and Persia if you want to get a better understanding or you search in google 'greco persian war books' you`ll see many recommendations.
Kraut, I'm loving your more medium lenght format. I mean, I'd take a 3 hour behemoth of a series... but I also like that you can rest a bit, whilst creating content that doesn't stress you that much
From the viewer perspective, I felt that this type of video is better at teaching the events of history, and the narrative is much more streamlined which makes things more digestible. However, what is lost compared to the feature length is the deeper understanding that makes your channel so unique. For almost each chapter, as you are telling "This happened in this way", I also found myself wondering what forces in the background are pulling history "forward". I feel nevertheless that it gave me a really good insight towards one of the most interesting questions in history. I know the reason you are making shorter videos is to sort of put out more content on a more regular schedule, and maybe a solution would be to make more videos that together answer a big quesgion? Honestly, I'd be happy to watch 15 minute videos on each of the chapters in this video just to learn more. Like, what made Solem make so many big changes to the game, was he in the right place at the right time, or was he just a really big guy? Maybe I should just pick up a book myself haha.
This video is very cool and actually really accurate. As a greek myself I'd personally like it if you made a more firm point about the slaves used in Ancient Athens. They were a key part of every family and were even often seen as family members. Moreover they could be owned by the state in which they worked as bureaucrats or members of the police etc. Thank you so much for this video though it was really nice and informative, even for me!
4:57 I have soil from modern turkey(trapezond) inside my room in athens. My great grandmother's mother took it when they were escaping the pontic greek genoside in 1920 during the grecoturkish war (they did so in a Jewish-egyptian ship). It has been cept like treasure in my family home for generations. I dont know if it is connected to that, but you made me shiver.
I'm from Trabzon writing from there rn actually, there is at least one pontic person I know that comes from Greece (family just kept coming generation after generation) to here every year and visit their house now belongs to a Turkish family they become acquainted with the family they let them around the property and their house. When pontic ppl were escaping some of them had to leave their small children to their Turkish neighbors they thought cant survive the journey or the mayhem that was unfolding in the region, at least one I personally know the story of but apparently this was a pretty prevalent thing back then. My grandmother can speak Romeika(Pontic Greek), her mothers first language was romeika like that was the language they used daily, she says her mother was speaking with her turkish language most of the time but senior members of the family were speaking romeika, maybe to blend in? she claims that was the language spoken there and they were living with pontic greeks shoulder to shoulder for hundreds of years history of Turks stretches back to Selcuk Turks even before that, they married into collaborated with all local kingdoms even before byzantine empire throughout history so Turks learned romeika? maybe they were pontic greek I don't know for certain, assimilation probably did happened in the reagon some greeks did became Muslims and or maybe Turks did learned romeika since they were living together forever who knows, probably a mixture, every possibility that can happen did happen
12:50 _With the exception of Sparta. Spartans used simple metal rods as currency and rejected coins, because rods could easily and quickly be melted down into spear tips in times of war."_ Reminds me of Metro 2033, where military-grade ammo was used as currency.
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Kruat, please do central asia?
Like the khanate and energy disputes.
It will probably be like a multi-part series so I suggest to not think about it just wait on it
No
Why do you hate Indians?
Can you do a history of the Balkans?
@@woodchuck003 what???
>Barges into government
>noticeably improves life for lower class without ruining the upper class
>restores political and social stability
>refuses to capitalize on his success
>leaves
Absolutely based sigma chad
> Profit
Why must there be an Upper Class, they do litearlly nothing🤔
@@aturchomicz821 well the idea is that they contributed a lot to earn the right to be decadent parasites, but it kind of falls apart when they just pass on the privilege to their kids.
@@aturchomicz821 All human societies are hierarchical anyone who says different is just upset that they aren't top lobster.
Ancient Greece cared more about Family than the whole Fast and Furious series combined.
Oof
Lmao
Turns out Vin Disel's character was Greek this whole time.
vin dieselios
I guess mine is an outlier lol
This is my first attempt to try to summarize what would usually be a 4 hour series, into under 20 minutes. I hope it worked, and that the video is still good enough according to the standard of quality that you may expect.
The Spartans were great innovators, they managed to create a currency that was used for warfare and *moans*
Edit: I shall now remove myself from existence
This video is really cool, thank you
it's still quite good. Though i reckon much of your core audience would watch anything you made, but don't let that discourage you, just make good videos, long or short.
Cool video
I do usually like your more in depth reading into history, but this is a nice quick video. I think you could find an equilibrium in the future of your hour long series’ and short summations of history. Which ever way you go, you better believe I’ll be here for it. Great stuff!!
I think Athens went through more phases than the average teenager
Athens also has more debt than the average teenager too
Lol yes
@@ihazplawe2503 not if you are a US student
No mom, democracy isn’t a “phase” it’s who I am!
@@delusionalfusional8409 no mom, Draco's authoritarian regime isn't a phase it's who I am!
>Turkey gets a three-part series
>Greece gets 17 minutes
Greece: M A L A K A
@@Makky265 🐂🐂🐂🐂🐂🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
Forget that, look at how much PR a video on China, Russia or US gets vs the PR South Korea, Japan or India gets.
@@sankarsah do u have an answer because I don't know
No one cares
Literally no one
I'm glad he's getting sponsors, one of the most deserving channels of it
And he puts the sponsor in time stamps. He really deserves the money.
He's gay
@@muzamilqwerty5453 oh hell yeah 😳
Whenever humans cooperate, they transcend to another level of civ.
Unity is victory - Syrus
Politicans: It cant hurt when i have direct control over that
The legendary Solon: Yeah mate, lets trash the old system, improve it and then go on an adventure!
Virgin Solon vs
Chad Lycurgus: Change everything when I come back. * suicides *
@@irasingh2498 He speaks in Hindhi which unfortunately I dont know.
Only Kraut would say that a short video is 18 minutes.
Other people: Today we have an extra long special video! 10:01
Kraut: Video short, Kraut sad
Hey remember when a short twenty 20 mjnute episode used to turn into a 3 hour long epic, 3 episodes long?
Only weaklings would say that a 2 hour long video essay is "long".
I'm glad it was 18mins tbh.
@@zax1998LU y tho?
Greeks then: we will create democracy, philosophy, Western art, code of laws, and many scientific/mathematical discoveries
Greeks now: germany wheres my mony
Sad, but that's what conformity with corruption will get you. Just look at countries like Brasil :(
@@AsprosOfAzeroth I made videos on both modern Greece and Brazil if you want to watch them
@@h0ser mmm y3s
@@h0ser i like ur voice n u do good topics so i subbed :]
@@Pretisy well to be a Greek you had to have 4 things. Omoglosson same language Omotropon same ways, customs Omoaimon same Blood and Omothriskon same Religion So I have no idea where you got the tolerant part from.
Thanks to this i can't stop imagining a little girl just going to a small shrine and just calmly chanting "Blood for the blood god", and that is so incredibly funny to me.
*Technoblade intensifies in the distance*
I mean, Khorne needs to get his worship in some way...
@@liminal_fuckwit "May grandpa Khorne bless you"
@@No-ln8wb Nurgle: *confusion intensifies*
We all know that Sparta used those metal rods for more than just warfare and currency 😏😏😏
LMAO
I honestly would love to hold that Long, thick, gorgeous Spartan Rod.....
@@pleasecallmetomato4924 😮💨
what building materials?
@@pleasecallmetomato4924 lol
Greek society be like
"I got family."
Βιν Διεσελ
Ancient greek society be like the fast and furious meme
hosanna means family
@@bobbybfat
Vikentis Dieselios
"I love democracy."
-Solon
Palatine learned from the best
I love the republic
It's debatable, the Athenians were proud of the equality of all citizens in front of the law, but never used the word δημοκρατία, they would have found the concept of the power to the people appalling.
@@lordsebastianofbarovia3686 hence… Plato taking quite the issue with democracy.
@@irasingh2498 if you wanna simp for your favorite youtuber, do it somewhere else
hey kraut - before this place gets full just wanna say thank you for the Turkish series. learned a lot and i'm glad people saw it. cheers man. every content of your channel is amazing! good luck
Up with you! The Turkish Century was one of the best series I've seen here. Captivating, funny and educational!
I was hoping to see at least one turk commenting in a video about greece and here it is..XD
It accually got me into reading a huge book abaout Ottoman history. All thanks to Kraut!
Absolutely right
It makes me sad he never finished the series he was planning for Japan.
Not a 6 hours video on why Luxemburg caused the fall of comunism? Cringe
Time to make a 91 year livestream to my death. Based
Wait, wasn't the Marshall Islands that did It?
@@pablo2448 dude you’re mixing it with Lichtenstein they are the true masters of the world
@@emilhuseynov6121 These micronations are always up to something...
@@pablo2448 One day they will conferederate into a microempire.
I was always fascinated with ancient greek history Art, Sience, litterature, Architecture, Theater, Democracy, Mythology,History Everything that that shaped the Western civilization started thousands of years before in these city states. Also thank you for the video it was really wholesome from you
Where is WW1 video :)
@@greuropeanunion5641 oh god please not even here
Me but with christian history
@@Icariaball There is no escape
lol
This video seems like a very good summary of Coulanges' The Ancient City.
"If you fail, your God's will die!"
Wait, but I thought my God can't die?
"Your ancestors will too!"
But they're already dead!
"No they're not bro, they're spoopy ghosts. If you don't fight, they will surely truly die"
Okay, but I didn't really like the-
"Don't go to war and we'll kill you"
ME CITY GREAT! HAIL CITY!
But it's right. Gods who are not worshiped by anyone are dead. Ancestors who are not remembered are also truly dead. Fighting and dying in battle is for preserving your people who are an extension of your self and your identity. Individualism was not a thing.
@rimacutem of Alsvartrsmiðr I would argue our land Chinggis Khan has used a emotional tool called humour'
"Blood for the Blood god"
"Skulls for the skull throne"
Nice 40k references
The greeks also had corn..for the KHORNEFLAKES
@@LunaNicoleTheFox It's "MILK FOR THE KHORNEFLAKES", you Slaaneshi sicko.
Those would have been better for Scandinavia and/or the Middle East
@@SilverPrince_ What can I say, the tentacles just feel so good.
Kraut comments regularly on Total War Warhammer content. He is a big fan, just like me since I see his comments lol.
Solon's achievements were so extraordinary I feel like he's just a myth
Herodatus tends to do that when writing about something or someone who was real.
He tends to write down the most sensational version of the story he encounters.
Dude this content is my research subject for degree. I found very satisfying.
Love From Turkey to my Greek neighbors.
Well that was unexpected
@@peterwang5660 why?
@@sipahihan1 Turk studying Greek history. That's why. Your president won't like it
@@GeneralPet Greek history is part of his heritage too.
@@alejandrofelixgutierrez7956 I'm just saying why some will find this unexpected.
There is nothing more important to the ancient Greeks than FAMILY
Didn't realize FF was Greek all along.
It's about family, and that's what makes it so powerful.
16:18 funny thing about all the Greek imitation architecture seen across Europe, a tour guide in Athens told us they're all based on the Arch Of Hadrian, a structure commissioned when Rome took over Greece. The Greek who built it made a brick and mortar (Roman) main archway, topped with marble pillar and triangular roof (Greek). The point was that it was a secret "fuck you" to Rome, and apparently some Greek historians like to view structures such as the Arc du Triomphe and Brandenburg Gate as a continuation of that defiant Greek spirit, unbeknownst to the builders.
I think it might have just been his national pride talking, but find it interesting nonetheless
It wouldn't make sense for the Arch of Hadrian to have been commissioned when Rome took over Greece, because the Hadrian the arch is named for ruled as Emperor almost 300 years after Rome conquered Greece.
A really profound portrayal of Athens' departure from ancestor-worship and embrace of the project of statehood can be found in Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War. When reading, pay attention to where he mentions the Athenians fleeing the city on their ships to escape the Persians, and in whose mouth he puts the remarks, because to flee the city was to flee one's ancestors aboard the products of the state rather than the family. One finds a fascinating commentary which sheds much light on Thucydides' own opinion of the state-building project and those who spearheaded it.
I love how the introduction of Herodotus is shown as a breaking of the 4th wall, just like Herodotus himself tried to peer through the 'box' he found himself in by writing down anything he heard, saw and perceived.
while Athens was leading in all fields, be it governance models, architecture, etc; the city state of Sparta right next door was a functioning slave society
If Athens had not lost the pelloponese war history could be different
They were all slave societies though, the Lacedaimonian state just institutionalised it by dividing ethnically with Spartans on top and helots on the bottom, as opposed to dividing it by market forces/war booty/some other system.
@@cormacdonnelly365 Ehhhh, the problem with that is that there is no evidence of any actual ethnic difference between the Spartans and their slaves, that was simply part of their mythology.
@@nadams8863 Fair point, tribal probably would've been a better word, but the overall criticism still stands
@@allstarlord9110
Probably not. The Athenians would have still been eventually conquered by the Romans. People often forget just how good at war the Romans were, and how they just came in and conquered everything over a few hundred years.
One of so few people, whose videos I wait, is here again! Thank you, kind Parrot!
Kraut will always be a painting of a dude with sunglasses to me
@@TheDolphinTuna
I just discovered him last year and found some political shi*storm about him. You seem to know him from that era.
@@kakalimukherjee3297 Yeah, I watched him from back in the day. He used to make anti-SJW content/anti-altright content. He's transitioned to making quality longform history videos now.
Can you do a history on the Balkans, it's an interesting subject to see how many different types of people's migrated there
That's gonna take a few episodes, lol
It will get demonetized most probably, since he would have to cover all the murder, genocide and sacking of other communities, especially when he talks about the slavic serboi tribes that migrated to the Balkans in 600AD and their being till this day in form of the nation of serbia.
Maybe if the comment section does not go 90’s on it
@@TheOneWh0Knocks I mean he did a video about turkey so the balkans shouldn't be a problem
Small correction. In Greece when we say "the end" we say only "τέλος", "το" is self explanatory
Kraut says his sponsor is surfshark, he says he's teaching us Greek history. But I know that "Athenian" owl... he's up in here doing what duolingo only wishes it could.
Thanks for providing us the info on the meaning of this sentence that I was looking for so desperately.
I just imagine an conversation between an Spartan and someone from a diffrent Polis
Dude: Hey Sparta, why arent you using coins the make traiding so easy!
Spartan: Nah mate, i stay with metal rods.
D: But why? Coins are so much more convinient-
S: Yeah but what if war breaks out?
D: So?
S: Any my spear is broken?
D: Buy a new one? With... coins?
S: Yeah but what if everybody spear is broken? Havent thought about that hm? Yeah, i stay with my metal rods, i can make them easily into a weapon.
D: ... okay bro. I aint got a problem, chief.
that doesnt make sense, coins were made also of metals, not just gold or silver ....
@@maxstirner6143 Yes but Spartans obol was made out of Iron, not silver.
@@stekra3159 so? You can melt coins into weapons also... Coins were made of a variety of metals, from gold to copper, iron also
So the point here is that the difference in the usage of the currency is not the physical appearance of the currency but the value, the rods were just coins in large size or deflated coins. 1lb of iron in rode shape is more valuable than 3 coins of iron... Spartans were more rich than Athenians, just that.
The joke make no sense because puts the Spartans as fools when they had the more valuable currency and had no devaluation in their currency... From a practical and economic view has no point. I get the joke but, for me, makes no sense, Athenians had to pay the coinage and use a devaluated currency and Spartans had easier to prepare for war and a better currency.
Don't take me seriously, I can laugh at anything anytime but some jokes, doesn't make me laugh even if are objectively good in the ""normie"" sphere, and this is one
@@maxstirner6143 Spartans didn't like trading like other nations did they also didn't want it's citizens to hoard money and get rich.
On a note, coins were invented around 500bC so before that using other things to trade with like obols and talants were the standard so Sparta just stuck with it.
On another note, Sparta did use a coin at some point but it was large and heavy on purpose for the reasons I mentioned above.
@@kosmas173 Well if you don't export anything, having a deflated currency is not bad. And I doubt Sparta was exporting anything in large amount unless they do mercenary work. But Athens do export so using coin would be a smarter choice.
Today is my birthday and this is the best gift! Thanks @Kraut.
happy birthday :)
16:51 that subtle dig was just beautiful
Who was it aimed at?
@@English_Thespian Paul Joseph Watson
@@generalpinochetfoundthesol3747 the Neo Nazi
@@generalpinochetfoundthesol3747 Are you sure? I don't recall PJW using any ancient greek iconography on his channel.
Personally I was wondering if Kraut was making a dig about Sargon naming his discord server Athens, like HBomberguy referenced in his Fallout: New Vegas video a while back.
Watching a video on ancient Greece as a Greek myself is always a very conflicting experience.
On one hand, it's great to see all the stuff you were taught in school be explained in an easily digestible way, helping people understand why we Greeks still hold onto our past the way we do.
On the other hand, the numerous "haha greece poor lmao" jokes made by people who have never been to Greece are a little irritating after the 10.000th time.
Putting that aside, this was a great video. Very much looking forward to the next.
Your mother may be greek but your father was turkish, go pay your debts now. 🤣🤣🤣
@@kohterg3713 I'll pay my debts when Turkey recognises the Armenian genocide
@@orestispasxos7433 you killed that man 😭
Within almost 18 minutes I learned more about my country's history than I did in school. Wonderful job!
Kraut >>>> geography teacher
This guy is literally going to make me pass to a college one day, you'll see
Dude I literally used 2 videos of his, did further research to find original sources (especially on China taking the EU in 'trumps biggest mistake' on this presentation for my politics final
@@jamiewhichelo9983 Noice
Non Greeks: *exists*
*This enraged the Greeks who punished them severely*
(Loop of stick Greek symbol stick-figure spanking a non-greek thats over his knee)
😂
Dang, the shade thrown at 16:50
Who he was talking about?
@@alexander11012 I wanted to say Sargon, but I can't think of someone using a greek statue....
@@CcReap3r 99% sure he used to have that as his pfp
@@gotoShiba01 Akkad was very far away from greese
I also would like to know.
There is an great book written by Numa Denis Fustel De Coulanges in the XIXth century, called "The Ancient City".
The case he makes is that Greek and Roman cultures are much more alien to ours than we think, because of the cult of the ancestors and the social structure that was all built around the hearth that could never go out, and how that deeply affected their way of thinking about concepts such as Law.
Very good account of the steps such a culture could have followed, although he overstated the role of religion by cherry picking some sources.
That being said, he has read all of the literature in original languages, and the way that he takes two similar claims by writers of different eras and build another piece of a puzzle is genius. And he does accomplish his goal to repudiate the Robespierres and Rousseaus of his society when they saw modern cultures as analogous to the ancients. But it is much more, and still one of THE must reads (available in the public domain online).
The comparison of Egyptian and Greek statues over time is such an excellent point. I've long been fascinated by the effect different cultures had on each other and how it's clearly seen in earlier Greek art, and the gradual change in style as the Greek society progressed. But I've never known about the correlation between the structure of both societies and the evolution of the art they create.
As a coin collector, I understand just how important currency is in a historical sense. Say you find an ancient burial site or a grave. And in the grave there is a coin. You can use that going to narrow down who that person was. Not like their name and all that. But where they have been, at what point in time, and for what. There was pretty much a completely unique coin, every 5 mi.² They would differ from village to village, town to town, city state to city state, nation to nation. One of the most famous was mentioned in this video, and the Athenian Owl. And there are many examples, varieties, dimensions, etc. A coin can tell you so much, and if they could talk, historians would be out of a job. I. Not only did every community have their own coins, they all had multiple denominations, sizes, purities, weights, composition, etc.… Bronze, Silver, Gold, Copper, and Electrum were all very common materials used for ancient coins in various alloys, purities and weights. The designs would change quite often as well. That is why you can use an ancient coin to pinpoint where someone was on a historical timeline. In the Athenian owl was used for almost 1000 years, on and off, in various different states, either with a different reverse, a slightly different design, a different date, a different name, different motto, etc… let’s get back to that coin we found in that burial site. More likely than not we will be able to pinpoint a date within 20 years.
Kraut and Historia Civilis are my two favorite channels. Always such amazing work
Best channel on RUclips is back!
If you love history you can watch videos at channel Kings and Generals
@@altinmares8363 his coverage is.... too narrow
5:52 "did you say family?"
*Dominic Torreto walks in**
Kraut: "Dominic Toreto?!"
Dom: "Family is everything!"
This had a lot more emphasis on ancestor worship than I’d ever heard of
I just want to say that you're slightly off about WHY Sparta used iron rods. One of the biggest reasons Sparta fell behind is because they refused to adopt standardized currency in order to prevent the hoarding of money. The closest thing they had to currency was obeloi, which are the heavy iron rods in question. In order to engage in commerce the city-state still heavily engaged in bartering.
>For who was going to steal something, or take bribes in it, or steal it, or take it by force, when it wasn’t possible to conceal it, to possess it jealously, or even to make a profit by cutting it up? For the red-hot iron was quenched with vinegar, it’s said, so that the hardening took away its usefulness and value for any other purpose, making it weak and unworkable. ~ Plutarch
The rods were not made for spear ends because the vinegar made them the worst spear tips in the world. They couldn't economically compete with their neighbors. They had slaves to do the hard work, were trained to be autistic misers since infancy, had a good propaganda machine, and cared not for commerce. And that's why Sparta ended as the Disneyland of Rome
Love your content, it inspired me to study more subjects about history. Haven't watched the video yet, but I know for a fact that I will be excellent.
What I really like about kraut is how detailed he is when he makes a certain topic, I literally see few videos of similar quality to his videos.
I really do love these historical explorations you've taken to.
Its definitely something that is still sorely lacking, even with historyYT.
Hey Kraut, I have a bachelors degree in history and although I didnt chose this as my career, I know most of the things you present but I still find great joy in listening to them yet again. Keep up with this good work! Cheers!
Finally a youtuber that puts the sponsorship at the very beginning, it makes the video easier for me to watch.
Athens was (like Sparta) also somewhat unique and more of an exception among the Greek city states, especially because because their power came from their navy and the navy needed a bunch of lower class people, even just to row the triremes, so these people now found enough political power to pressure the elites of Athens into a "democracy" (the word used in its ancient sense) and honestly Athenian democracy was far from a logical, well functioning governing operatus…. looking at the Sicilian expedition is enough to make that clear
Anyway, that development did not happen in Corinth or Thebes or Argos, combine that with Athens involvement in the Persian wars, the silver mine and the advantageous geography and you got a recipe for a city state that could undergo the journey into statehood
Also we shouldn’t forget that Athens is so well studied among the city states simply because of sources, we just have far more surviving information on Athens then any other city state (and that alone already tells us something about the unique nature of the whole thing)
A brilliant return to short videos. Thank you Kraut.
16:50 is this a reference to sarkon of akkad?
This video is splendid, I have recently developed a great interest in ancient history about Athen. It's a perfect summary, connecting all the different books and stories from religion, to myth, to wars, and so on together. Splendid introductory video!
Recommendation: video on Mississippi and how it transformed from the wealthiest American state to the poorest.
Dude... Too soon. XD
How and when was it the wealthiest state? And is even West Virginia more wealthy than Mississippi?
@@grahamturner2640 One word: slavery. And yes all the other southern states are wealthier than Mississippi because it resisted Reconstruction.
New Kraut video?
I guess I can scratch 20 minutes off my schedule
Last time I was here this early, Tenochtitlan was still the largest city in the Americas before the Spanish Nation attacked.
It's fascinating how this ancient Greek obsession with family and the importance that family had to them still persists in Greek society today. A lot of Greeks are taught from a young age that family is the most important thing and everything else goes after(this of course depends on the parents, as some view God as more important than family).
When a 'short' video is still longer than 90% of video's on this platform.
the summarization worked-- excellent pacing and perfect length! i live alone so i watch videos when i eat my at-home night meal and that 15-20m window is perfect to absorb the information/experience and neither activity gets interrupted. as someone who looks forward to your long docs/series immensely, i'm glad to see these shortdives joining my mealtime lineup too! you distill the info so well and the visuals are perfect.
Damn, the Spartans are just on another dimension huh.
My AP World History teacher has a series of videos he uses to teach called the School of Athens (ironic given his obsession with Persia). That 16:50 comment reminded me of this, and gave me a good chuckle.
This video has about as many uses of "family" as a Fast and Furious movie
"Sparta is strong...
But not as strong as the Family."
- Idomeneus Torettidis [ 420 BC ]
when the πολιτικός is sus
I got so used to the 1+ hours long videos that i was confused why the video ended after 18 minutes. Still a very good Video thank you for making it
16:57 Don't you mean they name themselves after ancient Mesopotamian kings?
Just commenting to see if he was referring to anyone other than Sargon
@@shark-gf7ff that's who popped in my head
I was wondering who he was throwing a dig at but I couldn't name anybody. Sargon was the one that I thought of but that context is wrong. Anyone actually know who he's talking about?
@@EdLemieux Sargon's discord server is called "Athens". I assumed that is what Kraut was referring to.
@@kategoryland8346 And he is also British just like countryball in the picture
Except the big concepts we all know more or less Greece invented which shaped the Western world, created categories of Sciences, Democracy, Olympics, Battle Tactics etc, another interesting fact is the small ones they invented, like, the one you described about the bride. Also, the reason we have 45' class and then break or when the professors speak and questions only at the end, also come by the Greeks. The geniuses oftentimes have had their quirks, like today.
I don't remember his name, but in one of the first academies in Greece, a professor would become furious in case someone tried to interrupt him while after he finished his lesson, he was delightful to receive all the questions. All these small habits remained until today. In short, Greece shaped the Western world in many more ways one could imagine. It's not only the Democracy, Olympics, Sciences and Battle Tactics I mentioned above and kept them alive until today.
Furthermore, just imagine the courage one would need in order to demote the planets overnight from their God-Status to simple "wanderers/objects". Only afterwards came the Heliocentrism by Democritus, but couldn't prove it until the telescope was invented much later. Also the Greeks through their sciences were first to study the growth of the olive oil tree. The big-figures have had helpers which would pay them to go as far up as the English Channel to measure the tide. What a journey that would be.
Last but not least, since the Greeks created the first analog computer (the Antikythera Mechanism), after its discovery, people theorized in case Greeks hadn't had interrupted, they were on the verge of industrial revolution. Obviously, it wouldn't be exactly the same as we know it today from England and the US, but the world would progress much faster. However, we really cannot play the "what if" game. Too many parameters, variables. The Greeks have been fought by everyone. East, West, North even South.
Needless to mention, I'm slightly proud I come from this little tribe of people. It's impressive the ingenuity and resolve of my forefathers is the reason we still exist. I'd call it a "miracle" but that'd be an oxymoron. 'Miracle' by definition is something which cannot happen.
gyros or something idk i'm swiss
I like how you put "το τέλος" in the end. Though, being a Greek, I want to tell you it's wrong. I suppose you google translated "the end" though in greek, "the" is not necessary. Just having end "τέλος" is the correct way to say it.
5:52 -Vin Diesel
😂
Really pleased with how quickly this went up after the last one without and sacrifices in quality
Phenomenal content Kraut! This short form content is a wonderful Bite-Size version of your longer pieces and it's a great change of pace! Keep up the great work! :D
Hey Kraut, have you heard of 'Histroia Civilis'? They make videos about (mainly) ancient history, and they have a great video about the structure of the Athenian state called 'The Constitution of Athens'.
His videos are more focused on political structures and wars as opposed to your socio-economic&geopolitical aspects of history, but I think you both make some cool videos
5:24 of course it does. Remember Achilles, before the battle in Troy, he said to his tribe, the Myrmidons "Only one omen is good:fight for the land of your (fore)fathers."
Any day that Kraut uploads history content, is a good day.
Unless you already have, there’s content in relation to evidence that argues how Sparta was not the warrior based society we thought it was. The iron rod thing did happen as-well as their regimented society but none of it was exclusively militaristic as the society as a whole was an Aristocratic collective that demanded discipline not to make better warrior but rather better citizens.
I want to be one of the people to say that I like the return of the shorter videos. I still have yet to set aside the time to watch the final 2hr installment of the Mexico series, but I've actually got the time to watch through this video the same day it released. The shorter videos are more accessible for me at least
The subtle jab at Sargon at 16:51 makes this video all the better
It was directed at Paul Joseph Watson not Sargon
Loved the video, and I loved the outro message a ton. You spoke about the world, but here in Greece we speak very highly of ancient Greece and especially of Ancient Athens and its "Χρυσός Αιώνας" (Golden Century), where all the philosophy and theatre emerged. Yet we never speak about the institutions or structures of the time. We just hear how awesome everything was and assume that we were awesome. I myself was quite blind to a lot of things and made patriotic statements about Ancient Greek history, until I went to high school and happened upon a teacher who offer a different perspective.
What I am saying is more people should learn about the institutions and beliefs these ancient people had, in order to correctly contrast them with today.
Woah, I think your voice mixed with polandballs puts me in a "long video mindset". This felt like it was 5 minutes long!
As much as I do love the movie length type videos you produce, what really matters is that it works best for you.
As much as I will miss the long videos, this was a very good short video essay, and I look forward to the next one.
the long videos will return eventually
@@Kraut_the_Parrot I thought that due to RUclips's bizarre preferential system, they were no longer economically viable? In any event I'm not paying for this and I'm having a good time so I see no reason to be anything but satisfied
1:34 I was uder the impression that we simply don't know wether or not the Mycenaeans( aka, bronze-age, Greek civilization) were politically unifed.
I don’t think. The Mycenaeans were all the unified, it still seems like a lot of polities that SOMETIMES worked together in the illiad.
The main answer would be in Kraut's definition of a "state". In many a sense, even tribes and gangs are states, in that they hold power over their residents, make and enforce rules, and so forth. Bronze age kingdoms can certainly be seen as states, as systems of rule - often with an extensive administrative system already.
Kraut seems to use the term here, either for a modern, somewhat liberal state (characterized by universal laws, checks and balances etc). Or for a system that is governed by the system itself, rather than by a strongman's edict.
As far as I'm aware, the Mycenaeans would rather be a network of city-states ruled by kings, which might ally and unite both defensively and offensively. It's hard to tell any details though. Quickly we'd start relying on much later legends, which may largely be speaking of their own time in a historical backdrop (as many "historical" novels and plays do).
I totally understand why you’d want to condense videos but man I LOVE your four hour series.
As an iranian the greeks always fascinated me mostly because how they held their own against the iranian empires. Even though they were defeated most of the time by the iranians they always managed to defeat the iranians in very key moments in history and that really makes me want to figure out why and how they did it. Great video btw.
Simple answer: The Greeks were divided and a single city-state couldn`t possibly survive against the Persians for long hence the many victories of the Persians but the Greeks stopped killing each other and uniting during very key moments in history which was unfortunate for the Persians.
@@SurveyCorps101 thank you man do you have any book recommendations on this topic?
@@godscroissant1539 In Greece where I`m from they were mini stories in the ancient greek class in school about the small skirmishes between the Greek city states but I can`t really recommend you a public school book.
If you want to know more about the city states during the Persian era then I suggest reading books about the Peloponnesian War or the Corinthian War that shows some city states allying with Persia and other stuff. If you want to know more about the Persian war effort in Greece then you should read a book about Darius the Great or Xerxes that will show you what the Persian Empire went through in Greece.
You can watch videos about the history between Greece and Persia if you want to get a better understanding or you search in google 'greco persian war books' you`ll see many recommendations.
Kraut, I'm loving your more medium lenght format. I mean, I'd take a 3 hour behemoth of a series... but I also like that you can rest a bit, whilst creating content that doesn't stress you that much
Old Greeceball: We live in a society. Young Hellenball: So THAT's what you call it.
From the viewer perspective, I felt that this type of video is better at teaching the events of history, and the narrative is much more streamlined which makes things more digestible. However, what is lost compared to the feature length is the deeper understanding that makes your channel so unique. For almost each chapter, as you are telling "This happened in this way", I also found myself wondering what forces in the background are pulling history "forward". I feel nevertheless that it gave me a really good insight towards one of the most interesting questions in history.
I know the reason you are making shorter videos is to sort of put out more content on a more regular schedule, and maybe a solution would be to make more videos that together answer a big quesgion? Honestly, I'd be happy to watch 15 minute videos on each of the chapters in this video just to learn more. Like, what made Solem make so many big changes to the game, was he in the right place at the right time, or was he just a really big guy? Maybe I should just pick up a book myself haha.
Ultimate chad moves:
>walk in
>invents partial democracy in less than a year
>leaves
This video is very cool and actually really accurate. As a greek myself I'd personally like it if you made a more firm point about the slaves used in Ancient Athens. They were a key part of every family and were even often seen as family members. Moreover they could be owned by the state in which they worked as bureaucrats or members of the police etc. Thank you so much for this video though it was really nice and informative, even for me!
16:56
At least they don't use ancient Sumerian kings or something like that...
This was great! Thank you ... please MOAR!
12:54 damn Sparta was so edgy
Have you seen their economy?
They literally were the South of Antiquity.
@@grekusPotatus the south before it was famous
This is definitely one of my favorite channels on RUclips
All other Greek city states:- *we mint coins*
Sparta:- *I'm gonna do what's called a pro gammer move*
4:57 I have soil from modern turkey(trapezond) inside my room in athens. My great grandmother's mother took it when they were escaping the pontic greek genoside in 1920 during the grecoturkish war (they did so in a Jewish-egyptian ship). It has been cept like treasure in my family home for generations. I dont know if it is connected to that, but you made me shiver.
I'm from Trabzon writing from there rn actually, there is at least one pontic person I know that comes from Greece (family just kept coming generation after generation) to here every year and visit their house now belongs to a Turkish family they become acquainted with the family they let them around the property and their house. When pontic ppl were escaping some of them had to leave their small children to their Turkish neighbors they thought cant survive the journey or the mayhem that was unfolding in the region, at least one I personally know the story of but apparently this was a pretty prevalent thing back then. My grandmother can speak Romeika(Pontic Greek), her mothers first language was romeika like that was the language they used daily, she says her mother was speaking with her turkish language most of the time but senior members of the family were speaking romeika, maybe to blend in? she claims that was the language spoken there and they were living with pontic greeks shoulder to shoulder for hundreds of years history of Turks stretches back to Selcuk Turks even before that, they married into collaborated with all local kingdoms even before byzantine empire throughout history so Turks learned romeika? maybe they were pontic greek I don't know for certain, assimilation probably did happened in the reagon some greeks did became Muslims and or maybe Turks did learned romeika since they were living together forever who knows, probably a mixture, every possibility that can happen did happen
@@nspctrm a thousant years is a long time...
This is the kind of "culture" that is actually interesting.
12:50 _With the exception of Sparta. Spartans used simple metal rods as currency and rejected coins, because rods could easily and quickly be melted down into spear tips in times of war."_
Reminds me of Metro 2033, where military-grade ammo was used as currency.
"Civilisation is where laws rule, not men" -Arristotle
Oh how far we have strayed from Civilization then