Is Mary Matthew's Heir? Part 2 | Downton Abbey | Season 4
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The Earl of Grantham is finding it hard to come to terms with the fact that Lady Mary may be the sole heir to Matthew's fortune.
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I do love how Mary has stood up for Tom. She has been snobby at some points but her relationship with her brother in law is endearing
Mary and Tom are the perfect male/female representation of the technical term ''brotp'' :D
Tom took Sybil's place as 'the only person who thought we were both such nice people'. (Quote from Mary as she and Edith said goodbye to Sybil.) They both grew to love Tom as their brother.
I love the faith the Dowager puts into Tom helping Mary.
Because she knows Tom is a good man ☺️
What I hate most about Robert in this is that even if this wasnt valid as a will, he still had the power to include Mary and make her heir. He still had the power to respect Mathew' s last wishes, but he was too power hungry. Glad Mary had Carson for a supportive father figure
I love Granny. She doesn’t side with her son, she sides with what she sees as right. “There can be too much truth in a relationship.” 🤣
Granny's usually side with their grandchildren
Even from the very beginning, after Patrick's death, she wanted the eatate to go to Mary
Not necessarily. She cannot be bothered with the hospital issue in series 6
Robert was at his worst during the uncertainty of Matthew’s intentions. He loves Mary, but he was obviously hoping to have the entire estate back under his control, even though he made such a mess of it before.
Love Violet valiantly trying to remember what a farmer does.
To be fair, he is right about the death duties, it was all the deaths during the two World Wars and the Spanish Flu that seriously crippled or outright destroyed aristocratic families
"Explain... th-the crops... and the live... the live-stock." Hehehe. :D
Bee ....the Dowager Countess Violet is, as we say these days, da bomb...a Boss...;)❤️...LUUUVVVV her:)!
Haha...the dowager is clueless about running of the estate.
@@jennyrayman2505 she is adorable when she does that but she is wise enough to know she doesn’t know enough. And by extension Mary despite Matthew telling her things. Hence she brings in Tom whom she also argued as for the agent position when Jarvis quit, knowing that he knows more than all of them. Even more than Matthew arguably who comes from a academic standpoint and not practical. She understands that the aristocracy are not experts in the land
The dowager countess is savage, but speaks true. Reminds me of my grandmother.
Kathleen Anlage ...Gawwwddddd, how I did, and still continue to Aaaaa-DORE her, above all others...:)!
"There can be too much truth in any relationship" hahahahaha classic dowager
Robert had the benefit of Cora's and Mathew's money but didn't want them to have a say in the running of the place. Without Mathew and Tom, and later on, Mary, he would have taken it down the same path as when he lost all the money and needed Mathew to bail him out.
Yup. And even after he lost Cora's fortune, he was still banging on about how knowledgeable he was about investments and business. Same thing with the poker game, total confidence, telling everyone he was a dab hand at poker, even after he got thrashed by the card sharp! I suppose being raised the way he was, told he was an empire builder and master of the universe at every turn, it was almost impossible for him to conceive that he was inept at anything, even when he was genuinely sorry for the consequences.
Bee ...He(Robert), sooooo drove me ABsolutely BONkers when after the new Matthew money came in, he refused to even acknowledge the remotest possibility that there were errors in his ways...the ULtimate cranky-old-crusty-white-guy-privilege-stupid...! I was comPLETEly wound up and gritting my teeth waiting for any ONE of them-Tom,Mary, Matthew, even Cora to call him to task on this subject...fortunately for my molars and the storyline at large, they got there in the end...:)
Patriarchy is Natural ...whatever you say, Skippy:)
Patriarchy is Natural you expect someone to take you srsly with that name?
AndTheEarthSang ...Tch-YAH, you’re right, that TOO;)
I love how the Dowager made a secret scheme to make her grandaughter Mary to win the battle. Although Tom seems shock but I know he's flattered.
Let’s not forget how she wanted to make Mary the heiress in s1 and had to ask every counselor to take the case while Robert didn’t want to make any move.
I don't think Tom is shocked, it takes him just a moment to realise what Dowager is scheming.
I love how Mary was the one her parents worried about in the first season because of the scandal with Pamut and now, Matthew has named Mary his heir and she's taken care of and her father is throwing a fit over it.
Watching the dowager try to explain land management is too hilarious ☺️
"There can be too much truth in any relationship." I just love Maggie Smith in this role!!!
She's the reason I went to the theater to see the movie!
What an interesting life she's had on screen!
Bravo Maggie Smith, bravo!!
"They can be too much truth in any relationship", she knows her son better than anyone. And she's seen his weaknesses and what is needed to keep the family estate secure.
As if Robert’s stunning business acumen wasn’t the reason Matthew had to bail him out and become co-owner of the estate in the first place. Furthermore, it is entirely his fault Mary doesn’t know anything about the running of it. Even though she was meant to marry the heir (either Patrick or Matthew) he didn’t feel it was worthwhile to teach her anything about it, despite there being a chance of exactly what happened- young widowhood. He’s absolutely insufferable at times.
3:14 “There CAN be too much truth in any relationship!” Dowager rings truth again!
Cannot get enough of Downton Abbey!!! Never stop writing. Please!!!
Anna Olive ...just waitin'on September at this point...:)!
That posh inclination of the tone of her voice, the right hair do and clothing... this is a real countess! Good job, Michelle.
She will never be Countess. George's wife will get the title.
Mathew gave Mary his money. He couldn't give her the title. Her father was still alive. The title was not in his gift.
Robert was shameful and all because he was annoyed that Matthew had left the estate to Mary with no reference to him, which considering how badly he mismanaged the estate before is a hell of a nerve.
Not the whole estate, Matthew's share of the estate
@02:23 “How I sympathise with King Canute.....”!
Hugh Bonneville could certainly play it well....sometimes you want to clap him about the ears. lol Such a child sometimes.
Allen Leech you mean?
@@phamapollo3175 No, Hugh Bonneville, who played Robert.
David, he was so fuddy duddy but I loved his character and he was very honorable.
Ring for Nanny and send him to bed without supper
Robert acts as if he's not living off of his wife's money like smh 🙄
Acting like he wasn't living off it until he squandered it all in a bad investment that his lawyers told him not to make.
There can be to much truth in any relationship! Lol I love her.
I think she at first she has her personal reasons for hoping the letter is invalid, which prompts her dinner statement. This is why Mary is surprised at Lady Violet's apparent shift in position. However, what no one seems to credit is the Dowager's ability to rapidly adjust to a situation. As she says elsewhere, she is a good sailor.
Further, she knows that her son has a point, though Mary has missed it in the emotion of the moment, which is that she knows little to nothing of what it means to run the estate. So believing that Mary has the right of primogeniture, she arranges for her to rapidly gain the education that will be necessary, especially as it does appear that she wishes she herself had known more, though now she is quite content to let others be stressed about such things.
Robert just wanted to gain control again of Downton. He didn't like the changes Matthew was making and is being the typical male of that era.
I think he's angry that Mary would possibly own half of the estate, but hasn't shown any interest at all in it. Matthew told her of his plans, but she's been content to play the good wife of the era. Now she's a widow she needs to take more of an interest
I would like to know why the dowanger seems to know her son well but he and his wife don't know their children at all. The girls are closer to the servants and grandmother than their parents
Chana FB ...hmmmmm....very good and pointed question that I, (and I'm certain many other of the faithful) have not yet posed before...!...since there WAS that memorable specific scene between Dowager Countess Violet and Isobel regarding motherhood/nanny care wherein Isobel marvelled at Violet's 'maternal instincts' saying she'd imagined nannies handled everything and Violet had countered that she was involved daily with Robert and his sister Rosamund...and that it had been an enTIRE hour, each and EVery day...;)!
It does make one wonder how she (Violet)had such insight into specific personality peculiarities in both of her children, evidenced in future episodes and crises where she dispenses deep insights into both their character strengths and weaknesses further on in the series...:)
Compared to the norms of the time they're practically helicopter parents.
Suzanne Reilman
I think it may come from Violet’s much more significant life experience with things out of the ordinary that gives her the emotional maturity to dispense insights that no one else sees. I can’t imagine Robert or Cora had experiences such as trying to elope with that Russian Prince etc.
Maybe Robert, but Cora has always been there to save the day with her children. She was there for Edith with Marigold and when her fiance walked out on her, she was there for Mary when the Pamuk scandle happened(carried a dead body!) and she stood up for Mary at the dinner, and she went beyond the call of duty for Sybil, so much so I can't list them all. She even helped to look out for her younger cousin Rose and supported her through her family issues and her difficulties surrounding getting married.
@@chrisp.9380 I am not saying Cora neglected her children. Unlike Robert she seems to really care about all of her kids. But she is not nearly as proactive as the grandmother who notices everything and isn't afraid to get involved.
Tom's face there at the end, classic wtf. haha
He obviously wants to be in control. Why so he can lose all the money again 😒
*The Dowager Countess is a G.O.A.T.*
I have laughed and laughed at the Dowager Countess... because I know folks who say things like her dry acerbic remarks. Rotfl. Dowager countess just absolutely warms my heart!
...there CAN be too much truth in any relationship...;)❤️
lady grantham is actually very very smart
I love this so much..
One of the things that always bugged me about this story line is that Matthew's claim to the Estate was only ever as an heir. He did not legally own the Estate, as far as I ever saw. Sure, Lord Grantham said he was half owner, but there was probably never a recorded transfer, because that risks breaking up the Estate. So, when Matthew died, he had nothing to pass legally as heir to anyone. Dead heirs got nothing in life, and can pass nothing. Upon Matthew's death, George the baby is the heir, through Matthew not Mary, of the Lord. Now, the term heir may be wrong, as in the U.S. an heir gets when there is no will, not when there is one. If there is a will, the term I have heard is legatee, not heir. So, legally, I do not think Matthew could will that which he did not own, the Estate, and George could be his heir, but that does not matter, for the passing of the Estate, it only matters who the Lord's heir is at the time of the Lord's death.
You are correct. Matthew couldn't pass on the title. He could leave Mary the money he inherited through Reggie Swire.
With Swire’s money, Matthew bought a share for 50% ownership of the estate. So then Robert owned half and Matthew owned half. With that ownership, Matthew was free to do whatever he liked with his share: sell it it, leave it to someone, etc. Then Matthew died and left his 50% to Mary, so then Mary owned half and Robert owned half. If he had not left his share to Mary, then it would have passed directly to George and so George would have owned half and Robert would have owned half
@@Mary-wt7fk The thing is there is a big inconsistency in the series. The series begins with the death of heirs on the Titanic, AND the drama is about what will happen to Downton and Mary. Robert will not fight the entail. The entail has tied up the estate with all of its money so that is goes to the heir of Robert. The heir cannot be denied and gets this, and Robert cannot give it away by a Will or otherwise. He can give some money away, and he can sell some land of the estate. But, the whole of Downton and its money go to the heir, whoever that is when Robert dies. Matthew is until his death the presumptive heir, and then George becomes it. Until a person dies, that person does not have an heir. But, Robert cannot will the estate to Mary, and that is the drama.
So, how can Matthew will it? It is the same estate. How can one man will it, but not the other?
@@danmc7815 because investment laws are different than inheritance laws
@@Mary-wt7fk Without doing the actual research into the then applicable statutes and case law, I cannot expressly state that is not correct, but I do doubt it would be the case. While I have done legal research, not much of it was English law and not much was on such property rights. Further arguing without the research is kind of pointless. So, good luck. Hopefully, we all enjoy the new movie.
Eurgh Robert can be the worst
Mary should learn to become more like Dowager. Both are cold to a certain extent but the Dowager always protects her family and does what is right - no matter who it angers or what it might cost her, personally or socially.
Even when the Dowager puts people in their place, she doesn't belittle or demean people like Mary does.
I love this Lady Dowager - she certainly is a canny Ally Maggie Smith love your role in this series always the magnificient & a loving grandma ma.
What I don't understand is that in season 1 Robert is mad Mary isn't the heir anymore and now in season 4 he is upset that she is. Which one is it he can't have it both ways
He never was mad at Mary not being the heir Anymore… since she never was the heir per se.
The food looks good
Mary Edith And Sybil ❤❤❤
Muy bien, gracias. 😎📺✌✌💎
Mary has a nerve telling the Dowager how to address someone! She's the most stuck up of them all.
Yes
I Read this as Is Mary in Matthew’s Hair?
Pa pa...😒
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I sympathise with Lord Grantham here - why pay inheritance tax twice when you need only pay it once. By passing to Mary and then to George this is what would have happened. Had George inherited directly the family would have saved thousands and Mary as his mother would have had a say and controlled his interests for 21 years until George became of age. Always practical not emotional - the same outcome in effect for less cost.
But as mentioned, without Matthew naming her as his heir, Mary would only have whatever right to an opinion her father saw fit to grant her. She would have no actual legal right or authority in the running of the estate. With Robert mismanaging the estate the way he had for decades, the estate stood to lose much more than however much the death duties would have cost them.
Actually I think Robert did well. You can’t have opinions until you know the subject.
True but he proved the point in a better way.
And you think he knows the subject he was talking about? The man had to leave on her wife’s fortune… that he lost and thanks to Matthew/Lavinia’s money, he finally get through his bankruptcy …
@@Asi75019 Alot of people lost their fortune in those days. Robert insisted on Mathew being joint master.
Also even the Dowager asked Mary to learn from Tom.
@@hasnatsafder7463 I’m not saying Mary knew all of this, just that it was hypocritical from Robert to try to exclude Mary on that sole point when he « knew » all those subject but still lost plenty of money. Not to mention that he didn’t just wake up one day knowing all of this stuff, he had to learn about this too, just as much as Mary could/will learn it too.
@@Asi75019 Okay on that i agree. But Robert was very gracious towards Mathew when he became heir, he taught him and Mathew was eager to learn. Mary could have gone about same way, rather than directly challenge him.