@@toctoc9927 I'm pretty sure he has Stockholm síndrome. Jokes aside, Apple is a gold standard for connection between devices, and even if the company is... not good and they have a LOT of anti-consumer policies but in some cases it is important to compare it
Having the receiver only be on the back basically kills this product. It really should be in a chin bar that can receive a signal from either direction.
I agree, the way I’d use this as a second display for when I’m gaming with friends and to check discord messages as I have my PC hooked up to my TV since I don’t have a monitor so having this right beside me would make a huge difference in being able to either switch between discord channels or just reading discord messages and other smaller uses.
Agreed. Being limited to only facing the direction of the transmitter feels like a really weird trade-off, over having to reposition the device your connected to. I can’t even really buy into the “gaming on the go” selling point, because you’re having to pack extra materials over using a similar monitor with a more typical connector. Cool tech, though. Hope it gets better.
It makes sense for having it on the little prop up stand with the receiver somewhere behind it, but that's way too limited a use scenario. Like at least five ways to do it better and not limit position
A small correction: 60Ghz is not necessarily 5G. Just as transmissions on 2.4Ghz are not all WiFi. Bluetooth, RC transmitters and wireless mouse/keyboard dongles also transmit on 2.4Ghz. Instead these frequencies are open for anyone to use without license, while sticking within defined power limits and without causing interference to others. In this case I am pretty sure that they are not using 5G, but using their own protocol instead.
@@Biomancer81 that drives me nuts because I'll be troubleshooting or any number of things with the assumption we are working on a wireless client and somewhere along the line they reveal its hardwired
Can't really see this as a viable product, but it sure is a cool demo. For most uses, a tablet or a wired monitor is superior. To be viable, it should both have better antennae that can bounce the signal off walls, and a lower frequency signal for seamless backup.
Would work good for drones like DJI, thus why I assume they put the OTG USB which is how drones display video to external displays, I use the DJI fly app which runs on tablets so I can still see mine on a tablet but I know older DJI and other brands don't allow this. I also could see this being useful for a Steam Deck too.
Potential use case for me would be the fact that my PC is upstairs in a loft but sometimes I want to game at my dining room table so I can play fetch with my dog at the same time. Usually I use parsec and game on my surface but having that extra bot of latency drives me kinda crazy. I would love to have something like this but $600 is way too much
This tech seems most viable for wireless PCVR, it’s the main use I’ve seen talked about with it lately Most theoretical implementations place a few receivers and transmitters on multiple points around the headset so they always have line of sight with the hub, supposedly the Pimax 12k QLED and Valve’s next headset will have it.
This could work in a live entertainment setting where you want to give the person on stage a live view of what is being broadcast (or a mobile stage display) but also want the flexibility of not running yet another cable. Other than that, I'm not sure it is quite there yet. The line of sight thing is a deal breaker for consumers.
@@doorgoo seems pretty useful that you use somthing like nyrius Aries pro+ where it supports a good amount of distance and can go through walls at times. I’ve seen some people use it as one for cameras or hand held wireless controller with screen for consoles.
Every time Horst walks in, I see my guy rolling his eyes, this is not the only video. 😂 On the side note, I have been waiting for true wireless for Monitors for ages, 5G or higher band technologies are most likely the solution.. I hope these guys keep on improving.. then one day we may have something usable.
@@S7ARBOY In this case Horst would've been a better host. Plouffe spent 10 minutes basically speaking air trying to be as inoffensive and judging to the product as possible, meanwhile Horst gave it straight in 2 minutes that this is obviously such a dog shit product that no one would ever use. Even if short circuit isn't 'technically' a review channel, I'll never take Plouffe seriously. These short circuits aren't even short anymore, they're full length LTT videos with 0 effort in them. They're as trashy as react videos.
@@kitcat5288 lmao couldn't have said it better myself. Horst was kind of a breath of fresh air, I didn't even fully realize I thought the monitor was stupid until he made it obvious
I'd say this is still in the "Cool but too finicky for every day use" category. We just gotta figure out quantum entanglement then everything can be wireless!
Yes thankyou, i dont know how one can review tech and dont know basic terminology? And this isn't the first time either. This guy belongs behind the scenes not infront of the camera. Most boring uninformed guy from LMG
@@KingRockport Don’t be mean. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses…things that they know more about etc. I could tell you what the inside of every single Mac Pro ever made looks like from memory, but ask me a question about HEDT PC motherboards, and I’ll probably have to look it up.
No offence intended but OTG has been a thing (a really useful one, for that matter) for years and I assumed it was fairly ubiquitous at this point. It should be, if not.
@@S14N9LS Yep "has" been, haven't seen much tech lately using it. I remember when I had HTC phone with OTG and was king of the wolrd using mouse and keyboard with it ;D
@@PiterFersin I don't know how many products are labeled that way anymore but a large number of very current products still use the protocol to allow communication between devices. Phones, Cameras, power banks... I use an "otg" cable (type c to a) to connect my phone to external storage devices or my phone to my camera for external monitoring. Perhaps it's the ubiquity of the standard that makes it so relevant some don't even realize how often and universally it's being used.
The line-of-sight requirement is a deal breaker for me. IR connected devices were line-of-site, and the experience was so uneven that it just wasn't worth it. This feels like a step backward.
@@marcogenovesi8570 This is a wireless display with a built-in battery, meaning it's intended to be portable. Also, it means that wherever you use the display has to have line of sight to the transmitter.
It's not step backwards because there was never a technology allowing raw HD video without latency at penetrable frequencies, because it's not physically possible. The only workarounds are compression and maybe foveation (based on eye tracking), but raw data is at its physical limits of the width of the wave. Even 5G already uses similar frequencies (as addition to the old ones) that also have occlusion issues for phones to achieve high bandwidth and it will only get worse in the future with 6G - expect antennas everywhere inside big public buildings. Physics won't change...
Big red coming in with his fruit voice was so painful that I had to skip it when he kept disregarding the host and talking over him. It's so cliche... "I'm gay, so I have to use a Mac, and I HAVE TO talk like this."
11:43 Noooooo! Path loss increases with frequency. Pumping enough energy in is the reason it doesn't "get interrupted by a whole bunch of stuff" - it very much does. Higher frequency = higher bandwidth, higher attenuation. The power received is roughly proportional to the wavelength squared and the power transmitted in a free path scenario, and lower frequency waves diffract on more obstacles. There's a reason extremely high frequency (compared to radio, anyway) visible light doesn't go straight through the walls ;)
I think he maybe tried to say that you can have multiple of these closeby without interference because the interfering signals would also attenuate and get obstructed.
No wires* *except the ca hundred wires on the dongle. That's a cool tech-demo for the wireless stuff, but why on *earth* would you not just get a display with a cable. Works 100% of the time, transmits power. That tech would be really sweet if built into laptops and for example meeting room displays, Zoom room controllers or sth.
the line of sight requirement is a way bigger deal than the vid makes it seem, you basically cant go anywhere with it and even if u wanted to u would have to go backwards... this thing looks like it would be quite painful to use. if u cant leave the room with it, its quite useless
I think the video demonstrated well that using this product feels like using a broken cable. It's a cool demo, though, but a lot of engineering is still needed for good antennae and circuits to become efficient and affordable.
I'm not sure wireless displays are that great of an idea - replacing a transmitter sounds a lot more expensive than replacing a cable. That is, if future wireless monitors even allow you to replace the transmitter and don't just expect you to throw the old one away and buy an entire new product like with some of Apple's latest questionable products.
I see the world evolving towards modularity and right to repair, even if not by good will from manufactures but rather by legislations, as in the end there's an increase in environmental concern globally. They (manufacturerers) must (and some already are) realize it's going to be extremely bad for the company's image to do something that's clearly anti-envioronmental. Basically marketing suicide. So I'm hopeful.
personally just hoping a future iteration of Bluetooth makes it seamless. I can say however that for anything more advanced then a headset we're not ready yet with bt anyways.
I backed this on Kickstarter cause I wanted to have this by my bedside in case I don't want to sit at my desk in my room primarily to use it as a laptop-type device. Lay on my bed and do some light gaming or YouTubing and whatnot while having the versatility to position it wherever I feel most comfortable in. Edit: Being able to use my desktop/laptop specs for gaming while comfortably looking at this screen on my bed is definitely a plus in my books.
Portable dual screen work set up would make a lot of sense with this. Also mirrored display purely for the touch is actually really useful in some use cases. That price tag though, a little steep.
This is the most pointless product I’ve ever seen showcased on this channel. Who is this for? Even if you have it as a wireless display for gaming, you have to have it pointed just in such a way that the antenna on the back can connect. Which means you’d have to likely have it facing directly into a wall. This makes no sense.
This is getting closer... What I'm waiting for is a screen with a keyboard and mouse pad, so you unfold it like a laptop and have a gaming experience on the couch, but it's actually streaming from your desktop without going through the internet. You could leave your desktop in a bedroom, or even just behind the couch. But I don't want to game on my TV, I want to watch TV and game.
It already exists, and it's anything over lan such as steam deck, Nvidia shield (or experience, something like that), moonlight, parsec, and most probably many more alternatives that mainly help you stream your screen over lan (and internet) allowing you to connect external keyboards mice and controllers
let me ask a question they call it 5g mmWave but it looks like more WiGig 802.11ay and it is already used for other things like the wireless adapter for htc vive headset.
Ngl, kinda judging y'all for making a video on a product that blatantly misleads in their naming like this. Putting "4K" in the name of every SKU without offering 4K in every SKU is beyond scummy.
I think it's best use case would be for someone who uses his desk or table for other stuff to. You can just pick up the display and a bluetooth keyboard and put them to the side without having cables running all over your desk
This would be great as an extra display for the alignment rack at work, line of sight is doable if slightly annoying, but I'm not sure about $600... As a shop expense maybe (the machine itself was definitely more costly) but I highly doubt the higher-ups would agree.
That price is def a bit too steep for its capabilities. You can get a portable OLED monitor, 16", for around $300 if you use a wire. Curious to see how the tech progresses though!
This kind of tech is best left to a seperate device. I could see a few use cases but it would be far more if it was simply a cable replacement that could be used for anything.
OTG it is a shortcut from On-The-Go, which means you plug anything with this certification to your device and it translates connections to the device itself. Have you ever tryed to connect gaming mice to your smartphone via IUSB C or USB stick flash memory? They not always work. With OTG enything that you plug in, will guarantee work! It is great feature! I am using a cheap wireless keyborad by this USB C OTG on my smartphone writing this comment! It needs a dongle to work with but not every smartphone on the market is USB C so...
I had in my past few problems trying by curiocity checking if my wireless keyborad will work via USB C connection and some day I bought expenssive USB C to USB C cable that fixed that issue. Later I finded out that this cable had many certificates on packaging
As others, and even you at the end, have said this would be better in a broadcast environment or somewhere where you need to view a camera feed and move around. I don't see it having a use for the average person at least in its current form. Also "I don't want to bring my $300 switch in the bathtub so instead I'm going to hook it up to a finicky dongle to transmit to a $600 screen and bring that in the bathtub instead."
if you want really professional wireless gear, review the teradek bolt series. its amazing, we use it at work. it does 10bit hdr 4k wireless over hundreds of meters
is it just me or is Jonathan a little weird in this one? loud, interrupting, just seems all over the place. like having some sort of a medication issue
i usually like his content. photography wise MA videos feel like some of LTT's best production. its just in this one he comes off manic or something. even the host appears to be annoyed by his loud interruptions
Thing is, they need to have it run in dual band if they want to eliminate finicky cutting out. Higher latency secondary channel that it falls back to whenever corruption is detected on the low-latency high frequency channel. You might get occasional lag, but for the most part, most people probably wouldn't notice. Of course, that would probably cut into battery life as both channels would need to be broadcast and processed simultaneously or you'd still get a big lag kick during the transition.
I undertstand the goal of ShortCircuit. Quick unboxing, no prep and just show what's in the box. But I think there could be a minimal preparation work. At least read the features beforehand and know what each means. OTG for an example could be an important information for someone looking to buy this product, which one would not learn from watching this video. This happens with a few shortcircuit videos, info that could be quickly learned by the presenter and would make the unboxing richer.
Like the concept, like the form factor, but mm-Wave 5G seems like the wrong choice for this, requiring line of sight. I would be more on board if this display used something like 5Ghz or 6Ghz Wi-Fi. Would enable me to wander around my house with it.
5-6 GHz would first need a magic wand of God allowing it to put more data than what the amount of peaks the wave has... But physics cannot do that, no matter how much we would prefer it. HDMI has more bandwidth than a standard ethernet port.
@@kazioo2 I'm not sure if this is true, actually. Best case I can find for mmWave's throughput online is up to 20Gbps (using 802.11ay), which *would* allow an uncompressed HDMI 2.0 stream, but that standard is extremely recent, and more common 60GHz standards go no higher than 15 Gbps for 802.11aj and 6.7 Gbps for 802.11ad. Given the transmission power for a 60Ghz transmitter in this application must necessarily be relatively low, I suspect that they have some kind of compression chip onboard that shrinks down the HDMI stream to fit into those bandwidth restrictions. I expect that this is the chip in the puck that's producing all the heat. By comparison, 802.11ax can do up to 9.6Gbps, and so with similar bandwidth restrictions could also carry a compressed HDMI stream. Looking forward, 802.11be (Wi-Fi 7) is expected to reach throughputs of up to 40 Gbps (while still using 6 GHz), and therefore could be used to carry up to an uncompressed HDMI 2.1 stream.
I think that most users would be better served by something wifi based more like screen casting. The latency would only matter with things like gaming, so media streaming would work fine on wifi, and I just don't think there's a big enough market for portable wireless gaming displays.The benefit of this is that it's freestanding so it's portable (think video production on site) and interoperable (should work with any device that has an HDMI port) for legacy or "locked down" devices. It's a niche market, but it's a cool niche and I suspect this is going to be a proof-of-concept for commercial applications. The bandwidth issue for wifi can be reduced even more through compression, which shouldn't be too difficult for any device running wifi 6.
Why stick around 5Ghz or 6Ghz? There are so many frequencies between it and 60Ghz, we're bound to find one that's suitable for a 1080p60 lagless display without having to microwave oxygen on the side, or causing other resonance issues with other atoms and molecules. That resonance issue with oxygen is why this seemingly small transmitter has a heatsink and cooler attached to it. The power needed to overcome the energy loss is just that obscene. But 19Ghz may be perfectly safe. Maybe 23Ghz. I know that 26Ghz is in use by Starlink right now, perhaps devices like this can tag along that frequency... if the bandwidth is sufficient.
MacOS has no native touchscreen drivers. You can get touch screens to work, but you need some kind of third party touch driver app running in the background that translates the touch input to mouse input. Windows doesn't require that, it has built in support for touch screens.
The only use case I think which is necessary is as a portable monitor but then just get a wired portable monitor , if it had a stylus I would think it would be much more useful
I really wanted to test this monitor with my Time Sleuth to test this "No Lag" display alongside the RetroTink 5X and an Analogue Pocket. Hopefully I get to someday!
I'd love to see more options like this, but geared for VR. The Vive wireless adapter hasn't been updated, there's no other option besides the TP link that's a whole kit with way more parts to go wrong. But I get how complicated it is so I shall remain patiently impatient until a product is out that fixes what Vive won't fix/update, or an opportunity to work with a company to give feedback from someone who is very physically active in VR with dancing, battle discs, ect. But I'm so gonna get this display cuz I need this XD
You know you don't need a physical cable to play your PC games on the TV. You could just stream it over the network. You can use Nvidia game stream if you have a Shield TV or alternatively use Steam link on any android box.
Tell me you only ever used an iPhone without telling me you've only ever used an iPhone: "What's OTG?" "Maybe it's for usb on-the-go" "On... O.. the... T... Go... G... Maybe!"
Really should have an extendable receiver, or at least make it work from front and back (put it on the corner and dual-sided?). 5G is very much line of site as the video clearly pointed out, so making this wireless display have such limited options for positioning seems like a design flaw, especially at the asking prices.
God, that apple guy is so annoying. You can tell he's annoying the other guy. He's like that friend that no one really wants to hang out with, but he looks the oldest and can usually buy the alcohol...
This is such a cool product... until the line of sight issue comes into play, what you really want is to have your gaming pc in your bedroom and the display in the living room, but if I cant have the signal interrupted the best way I could config this is both in pc and display in the living room and I can just move anywhere freely in that one room.
Hmmm, I don't know. This is more specific than a dedicated transmitter before. And those LoS things are very important. The only thing that I can think of is just for presentation convenience.
neat. would be nice for a workbench or maker space. have the pc setup and can access the PC from the 3D printers or at the work bench without having to walk back to the desk. The Direct line of sight issue is a huge killer at least for me tho.
I don't have a use-case that can't be done with a much cheaper wired screen or a tablet acting as a monitor over wifi. That said, it is pretty cool and might be part of a smart home set-up for a media PC or something.
Excuse me, you don’t know OTG? USB On-the-Go standard? It’s on almost every Android phone for plug in flash drives and displays. So potentially you can plug in a windows 10 phone, or Samsung/Huawei phone to use their built in desktop functions.
I'm happy to see the technology advancing. Would be cool to sit a full size monitor on your desk with your desktop PC in the same room and get at least 1080 60 Hz with no cables running between them. Could turn a small office of 3-8 people into a table of just monitors and periphs and all of the computers sitting on a wall.
I can totally see this (the 4k more pricy version) as an apple product! No cable display for your mac! No more messy cables! Just plug in one cable(power) , turn on your mac and done(wireless mouse, keyboard and stand of course are not included). AKA less cables, more green product!
I feel like this would have been so much better if they extended the bezel a bit and put the antenna along the edge of the display, so it didn't matter which way the display faced. Having to keep the line of sight with back of display makes it a very inconvenient product to use.
"All SKUs are named 4K" well, I hope this company enjoys processing refunds.
Forget refunds. I have to wonder if the FTC might go after them for falsely labeling the product.
My guess is that it was named by the HDMI people. It could be worse. It could have been named by the USB people.
Someone will see this video, buy one and sue them intentionally lol, just to get a refund+ bonus
@@KBTibbs not the USB people....😱
I mean I watched the whole video thinking it was 4k even tho it was ridiculous for that screen size. Nevertheless, I feel clickbaited, refund!
The best part is when they have others just crash the review and be like, "what about this use case?"
That’s the goal! Everyone has different opinions!
Except it's an utterless dellusional Apple/Mac dude who really doesn't even try to come out of his bubble...
@@toctoc9927 Sounds like your typical Apple user and most Apple Power Users as well.
@@toctoc9927 I'm pretty sure he has Stockholm síndrome.
Jokes aside, Apple is a gold standard for connection between devices, and even if the company is... not good and they have a LOT of anti-consumer policies but in some cases it is important to compare it
@@toctoc9927 If Horst doesn't like it it means it probably isn't for Mac users, simple as that.
Having the receiver only be on the back basically kills this product. It really should be in a chin bar that can receive a signal from either direction.
I agree, the way I’d use this as a second display for when I’m gaming with friends and to check discord messages as I have my PC hooked up to my TV since I don’t have a monitor so having this right beside me would make a huge difference in being able to either switch between discord channels or just reading discord messages and other smaller uses.
Agreed. Being limited to only facing the direction of the transmitter feels like a really weird trade-off, over having to reposition the device your connected to.
I can’t even really buy into the “gaming on the go” selling point, because you’re having to pack extra materials over using a similar monitor with a more typical connector.
Cool tech, though. Hope it gets better.
I think a bezel along the top would be the best option. Just give it black bezels all around and it'd blend in with the product design.
Yeah definitely 💯
It makes sense for having it on the little prop up stand with the receiver somewhere behind it, but that's way too limited a use scenario. Like at least five ways to do it better and not limit position
A small correction: 60Ghz is not necessarily 5G. Just as transmissions on 2.4Ghz are not all WiFi. Bluetooth, RC transmitters and wireless mouse/keyboard dongles also transmit on 2.4Ghz.
Instead these frequencies are open for anyone to use without license, while sticking within defined power limits and without causing interference to others.
In this case I am pretty sure that they are not using 5G, but using their own protocol instead.
THANK YOU! It is not 5G
@@juanperre3044 I was wondering why Plouffe was miding the two technologies together?
I‘d guess it’s using WiGig
@@fairyball3929 Same reason everyone calls all internet connection WiFi. Doesnt know any better.
@@Biomancer81 that drives me nuts because I'll be troubleshooting or any number of things with the assumption we are working on a wireless client and somewhere along the line they reveal its hardwired
Can't really see this as a viable product, but it sure is a cool demo. For most uses, a tablet or a wired monitor is superior. To be viable, it should both have better antennae that can bounce the signal off walls, and a lower frequency signal for seamless backup.
Would work good for drones like DJI, thus why I assume they put the OTG USB which is how drones display video to external displays, I use the DJI fly app which runs on tablets so I can still see mine on a tablet but I know older DJI and other brands don't allow this. I also could see this being useful for a Steam Deck too.
Correction, for US$698.00 I dont think anyone will use it for either haha if it was like 250$ I could see ppl buying it.
It's a glimpse of the future. Everything wireless.
Potential use case for me would be the fact that my PC is upstairs in a loft but sometimes I want to game at my dining room table so I can play fetch with my dog at the same time. Usually I use parsec and game on my surface but having that extra bot of latency drives me kinda crazy. I would love to have something like this but $600 is way too much
This tech seems most viable for wireless PCVR, it’s the main use I’ve seen talked about with it lately
Most theoretical implementations place a few receivers and transmitters on multiple points around the headset so they always have line of sight with the hub, supposedly the Pimax 12k QLED and Valve’s next headset will have it.
This could work in a live entertainment setting where you want to give the person on stage a live view of what is being broadcast (or a mobile stage display) but also want the flexibility of not running yet another cable. Other than that, I'm not sure it is quite there yet. The line of sight thing is a deal breaker for consumers.
In live entertainment, the Teradek Bolt is used almost exclusively.
@@doorgoo seems pretty useful that you use somthing like nyrius Aries pro+ where it supports a good amount of distance and can go through walls at times. I’ve seen some people use it as one for cameras or hand held wireless controller with screen for consoles.
I get what you’re saying. But the love entertainment industry absolutely cannot tolerate these levels of unreliability.
We run cables.
In a presentation in a small room, it seems like a person getting up from their seat in the line of sight would break it
I feel like this tech is promising for the live entertainment industry, but it's not there yet AT ALL. Shit HAS. TO. WORK. Especially live.
Every time Horst walks in, I see my guy rolling his eyes, this is not the only video. 😂
On the side note, I have been waiting for true wireless for Monitors for ages, 5G or higher band technologies are most likely the solution.. I hope these guys keep on improving.. then one day we may have something usable.
i thought it was just only me who noticed this hahaha he definitely is annoyed
that tends to happen when people who are annoying walk into a room.
@@S7ARBOY In this case Horst would've been a better host. Plouffe spent 10 minutes basically speaking air trying to be as inoffensive and judging to the product as possible, meanwhile Horst gave it straight in 2 minutes that this is obviously such a dog shit product that no one would ever use. Even if short circuit isn't 'technically' a review channel, I'll never take Plouffe seriously.
These short circuits aren't even short anymore, they're full length LTT videos with 0 effort in them. They're as trashy as react videos.
He is annoying though
@@kitcat5288 lmao couldn't have said it better myself. Horst was kind of a breath of fresh air, I didn't even fully realize I thought the monitor was stupid until he made it obvious
I'd say this is still in the "Cool but too finicky for every day use" category. We just gotta figure out quantum entanglement then everything can be wireless!
OTG is a HOST port, meaning you can plug USB devices into the monitor.
Yes thankyou, i dont know how one can review tech and dont know basic terminology? And this isn't the first time either. This guy belongs behind the scenes not infront of the camera. Most boring uninformed guy from LMG
@@KingRockport Don’t be mean. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses…things that they know more about etc. I could tell you what the inside of every single Mac Pro ever made looks like from memory, but ask me a question about HEDT PC motherboards, and I’ll probably have to look it up.
No offence intended but OTG has been a thing (a really useful one, for that matter) for years and I assumed it was fairly ubiquitous at this point. It should be, if not.
@@S14N9LS Yep "has" been, haven't seen much tech lately using it. I remember when I had HTC phone with OTG and was king of the wolrd using mouse and keyboard with it ;D
@@PiterFersin I don't know how many products are labeled that way anymore but a large number of very current products still use the protocol to allow communication between devices. Phones, Cameras, power banks... I use an "otg" cable (type c to a) to connect my phone to external storage devices or my phone to my camera for external monitoring. Perhaps it's the ubiquity of the standard that makes it so relevant some don't even realize how often and universally it's being used.
The line-of-sight requirement is a deal breaker for me. IR connected devices were line-of-site, and the experience was so uneven that it just wasn't worth it. This feels like a step backward.
pretty sure its the only way to get that amount of bandwidth wirelesssly.
are you moving your streaming device a lot while watching? Because this isn't for a remote. Your media box/PC/whatever isn't moving while streaming
@@marcogenovesi8570 This is a wireless display with a built-in battery, meaning it's intended to be portable. Also, it means that wherever you use the display has to have line of sight to the transmitter.
@@hawxchampion523
The battery is not to be fully portable, it's meant to be moved and set up quickly
It's not step backwards because there was never a technology allowing raw HD video without latency at penetrable frequencies, because it's not physically possible. The only workarounds are compression and maybe foveation (based on eye tracking), but raw data is at its physical limits of the width of the wave. Even 5G already uses similar frequencies (as addition to the old ones) that also have occlusion issues for phones to achieve high bandwidth and it will only get worse in the future with 6G - expect antennas everywhere inside big public buildings. Physics won't change...
Love the loose feeling of these videos, anyone coming in from the office to look/talk about the item, feels nice and organic and friendly..... Love it
Glad you like them!
Proper try hard, the guy who came in and took over.
@@TheToppest yeah the Mac address guy seems to be like that
Big red coming in with his fruit voice was so painful that I had to skip it when he kept disregarding the host and talking over him. It's so cliche... "I'm gay, so I have to use a Mac, and I HAVE TO talk like this."
@@littlejackalo5326 go be hateful elsewhere please and leave us civilized kind people to enjoy
11:43 Noooooo! Path loss increases with frequency. Pumping enough energy in is the reason it doesn't "get interrupted by a whole bunch of stuff" - it very much does. Higher frequency = higher bandwidth, higher attenuation.
The power received is roughly proportional to the wavelength squared and the power transmitted in a free path scenario, and lower frequency waves diffract on more obstacles. There's a reason extremely high frequency (compared to radio, anyway) visible light doesn't go straight through the walls ;)
I think he maybe tried to say that you can have multiple of these closeby without interference because the interfering signals would also attenuate and get obstructed.
No wires*
*except the ca hundred wires on the dongle.
That's a cool tech-demo for the wireless stuff, but why on *earth* would you not just get a display with a cable. Works 100% of the time, transmits power. That tech would be really sweet if built into laptops and for example meeting room displays, Zoom room controllers or sth.
Or a tablet/ipad?
That’s like saying wireless charger
*except the wires on the charger dock.
the line of sight requirement is a way bigger deal than the vid makes it seem, you basically cant go anywhere with it and even if u wanted to u would have to go backwards... this thing looks like it would be quite painful to use. if u cant leave the room with it, its quite useless
I think the video demonstrated well that using this product feels like using a broken cable. It's a cool demo, though, but a lot of engineering is still needed for good antennae and circuits to become efficient and affordable.
I'm not sure wireless displays are that great of an idea - replacing a transmitter sounds a lot more expensive than replacing a cable. That is, if future wireless monitors even allow you to replace the transmitter and don't just expect you to throw the old one away and buy an entire new product like with some of Apple's latest questionable products.
@UC1JZLxFYw4XuUISjX2l93Pg but that literally wouldnt work as u need los for this to work
I see the world evolving towards modularity and right to repair, even if not by good will from manufactures but rather by legislations, as in the end there's an increase in environmental concern globally. They (manufacturerers) must (and some already are) realize it's going to be extremely bad for the company's image to do something that's clearly anti-envioronmental. Basically marketing suicide. So I'm hopeful.
(laughing in wireless keyboards, where if you lose the dongle it's done for)
personally just hoping a future iteration of Bluetooth makes it seamless.
I can say however that for anything more advanced then a headset we're not ready yet with bt anyways.
@@marcogenovesi8570 that's why I paid my wireless mouse 20 moneys, who cares if I lose it
I backed this on Kickstarter cause I wanted to have this by my bedside in case I don't want to sit at my desk in my room primarily to use it as a laptop-type device. Lay on my bed and do some light gaming or YouTubing and whatnot while having the versatility to position it wherever I feel most comfortable in.
Edit: Being able to use my desktop/laptop specs for gaming while comfortably looking at this screen on my bed is definitely a plus in my books.
That's such a confusing name. I feel like it was specifically chosen to make people think they're getting a 4k resolution display.
Ya….
Portable dual screen work set up would make a lot of sense with this. Also mirrored display purely for the touch is actually really useful in some use cases.
That price tag though, a little steep.
Was the Apple guy totally drunk or what ?
No, he's just and apple guy
This is the most pointless product I’ve ever seen showcased on this channel. Who is this for? Even if you have it as a wireless display for gaming, you have to have it pointed just in such a way that the antenna on the back can connect. Which means you’d have to likely have it facing directly into a wall. This makes no sense.
I gotta say, it’s always kinda funny when Horst is walking by a short circuit and is like “ooooOoOo what’s this thing?! Does it work on my Mac?” 😂
This is getting closer...
What I'm waiting for is a screen with a keyboard and mouse pad, so you unfold it like a laptop and have a gaming experience on the couch, but it's actually streaming from your desktop without going through the internet. You could leave your desktop in a bedroom, or even just behind the couch. But I don't want to game on my TV, I want to watch TV and game.
So.. a steam deck?
It already exists, and it's anything over lan such as steam deck, Nvidia shield (or experience, something like that), moonlight, parsec, and most probably many more alternatives that mainly help you stream your screen over lan (and internet) allowing you to connect external keyboards mice and controllers
let me ask a question
they call it 5g mmWave but it looks like more WiGig 802.11ay and it is already used for other things like the wireless adapter for htc vive headset.
You guys should attach the puck to the osbott auto tracking webcam then the line of sight thing would be better
I've never heard anyone working in tech not know what OTG means.
Yeah, I mean, really..? Has to be joking...
2:57 OTG:- On The Go .....!!!!!
Horst is so annoying when he tromps in to these Short Circuits. Apple didn't make it so he doesn't understand why it might be useful
Wait, what? You guys work in tech every single day and don’t know what USB “on the go” is?? That’s been around for like 15 years now.
I like that wireless tech is evolving so well, but I wont get a wireless display until I can use one reliably out of site of the transmitter.
Ngl, kinda judging y'all for making a video on a product that blatantly misleads in their naming like this. Putting "4K" in the name of every SKU without offering 4K in every SKU is beyond scummy.
U can plug a smartphone directly into it with the OTG port, and access the files on your phone
I think it's best use case would be for someone who uses his desk or table for other stuff to. You can just pick up the display and a bluetooth keyboard and put them to the side without having cables running all over your desk
This would be great as an extra display for the alignment rack at work, line of sight is doable if slightly annoying, but I'm not sure about $600...
As a shop expense maybe (the machine itself was definitely more costly) but I highly doubt the higher-ups would agree.
Display disconnects a million times...
ShortCircuit: It works pretty good.
Seriously ???
That price is def a bit too steep for its capabilities. You can get a portable OLED monitor, 16", for around $300 if you use a wire. Curious to see how the tech progresses though!
This kind of tech is best left to a seperate device. I could see a few use cases but it would be far more if it was simply a cable replacement that could be used for anything.
I like how he is being so kind and everything. Like it isn’t a BAD idea but it sucks and the receiver sucks.
This MAC guy getting into videos without being invited and getting the hosts annoyed lol
Real annoying take over. Needs to butt out.
Man so annoying and interrupting everything the host says….
Loved Jonathan here, he also brought up a good point about how people might want to use it like a tablet that can lay flat
The Apple guy is seriouly annoying in every f video.
That's exactly how i imagine a mac user
OTG it is a shortcut from On-The-Go, which means you plug anything with this certification to your device and it translates connections to the device itself.
Have you ever tryed to connect gaming mice to your smartphone via IUSB C or USB stick flash memory? They not always work. With OTG enything that you plug in, will guarantee work! It is great feature! I am using a cheap wireless keyborad by this USB C OTG on my smartphone writing this comment! It needs a dongle to work with but not every smartphone on the market is USB C so...
I had in my past few problems trying by curiocity checking if my wireless keyborad will work via USB C connection and some day I bought expenssive USB C to USB C cable that fixed that issue. Later I finded out that this cable had many certificates on packaging
So USB OTG does what USB 2.0 did by default on PCs... TWENTY-TWO YEARS AGO... wow what an incredible "feature".
@@Mr.Morden Maybe... A Plug-And-Play
@@Mr.Morden USB OTG came out in 2001 ;) It just means that the device can act both as a host and as a device.
I could see a floor supervisor using one of these while walking the floor. Instant access to their computer while at other employees desks
As others, and even you at the end, have said this would be better in a broadcast environment or somewhere where you need to view a camera feed and move around. I don't see it having a use for the average person at least in its current form. Also "I don't want to bring my $300 switch in the bathtub so instead I'm going to hook it up to a finicky dongle to transmit to a $600 screen and bring that in the bathtub instead."
Plouffe didn't seem to happy with Jonathan :p
if you want really professional wireless gear, review the teradek bolt series. its amazing, we use it at work. it does 10bit hdr 4k wireless over hundreds of meters
It seems too finicky on alignment. Surely it's going to give many users a hard time.
Cool tech but not something I'd have the patience for.
I really liked horst showing up to test it with a mac!
is it just me or is Jonathan a little weird in this one?
loud, interrupting, just seems all over the place.
like having some sort of a medication issue
same. i always just skip when he comes around
i usually like his content. photography wise MA videos feel like some of LTT's best production. its just in this one he comes off manic or something. even the host appears to be annoyed by his loud interruptions
Thing is, they need to have it run in dual band if they want to eliminate finicky cutting out. Higher latency secondary channel that it falls back to whenever corruption is detected on the low-latency high frequency channel. You might get occasional lag, but for the most part, most people probably wouldn't notice. Of course, that would probably cut into battery life as both channels would need to be broadcast and processed simultaneously or you'd still get a big lag kick during the transition.
I undertstand the goal of ShortCircuit. Quick unboxing, no prep and just show what's in the box. But I think there could be a minimal preparation work. At least read the features beforehand and know what each means. OTG for an example could be an important information for someone looking to buy this product, which one would not learn from watching this video. This happens with a few shortcircuit videos, info that could be quickly learned by the presenter and would make the unboxing richer.
Like the concept, like the form factor, but mm-Wave 5G seems like the wrong choice for this, requiring line of sight. I would be more on board if this display used something like 5Ghz or 6Ghz Wi-Fi. Would enable me to wander around my house with it.
5-6 GHz would first need a magic wand of God allowing it to put more data than what the amount of peaks the wave has... But physics cannot do that, no matter how much we would prefer it. HDMI has more bandwidth than a standard ethernet port.
@@kazioo2 I'm not sure if this is true, actually. Best case I can find for mmWave's throughput online is up to 20Gbps (using 802.11ay), which *would* allow an uncompressed HDMI 2.0 stream, but that standard is extremely recent, and more common 60GHz standards go no higher than 15 Gbps for 802.11aj and 6.7 Gbps for 802.11ad. Given the transmission power for a 60Ghz transmitter in this application must necessarily be relatively low, I suspect that they have some kind of compression chip onboard that shrinks down the HDMI stream to fit into those bandwidth restrictions. I expect that this is the chip in the puck that's producing all the heat. By comparison, 802.11ax can do up to 9.6Gbps, and so with similar bandwidth restrictions could also carry a compressed HDMI stream. Looking forward, 802.11be (Wi-Fi 7) is expected to reach throughputs of up to 40 Gbps (while still using 6 GHz), and therefore could be used to carry up to an uncompressed HDMI 2.1 stream.
I think that most users would be better served by something wifi based more like screen casting. The latency would only matter with things like gaming, so media streaming would work fine on wifi, and I just don't think there's a big enough market for portable wireless gaming displays.The benefit of this is that it's freestanding so it's portable (think video production on site) and interoperable (should work with any device that has an HDMI port) for legacy or "locked down" devices. It's a niche market, but it's a cool niche and I suspect this is going to be a proof-of-concept for commercial applications.
The bandwidth issue for wifi can be reduced even more through compression, which shouldn't be too difficult for any device running wifi 6.
@@daedalusspacegames I don’t think this is using 5G it’s far more likely to be WiGig which would have enough bandwidth and also use the 60GHz spectrum
Why stick around 5Ghz or 6Ghz? There are so many frequencies between it and 60Ghz, we're bound to find one that's suitable for a 1080p60 lagless display without having to microwave oxygen on the side, or causing other resonance issues with other atoms and molecules.
That resonance issue with oxygen is why this seemingly small transmitter has a heatsink and cooler attached to it. The power needed to overcome the energy loss is just that obscene.
But 19Ghz may be perfectly safe. Maybe 23Ghz. I know that 26Ghz is in use by Starlink right now, perhaps devices like this can tag along that frequency... if the bandwidth is sufficient.
MacOS has no native touchscreen drivers. You can get touch screens to work, but you need some kind of third party touch driver app running in the background that translates the touch input to mouse input. Windows doesn't require that, it has built in support for touch screens.
The only use case I think which is necessary is as a portable monitor but then just get a wired portable monitor , if it had a stylus I would think it would be much more useful
I really wanted to test this monitor with my Time Sleuth to test this "No Lag" display alongside the RetroTink 5X and an Analogue Pocket. Hopefully I get to someday!
I'd love to see more options like this, but geared for VR. The Vive wireless adapter hasn't been updated, there's no other option besides the TP link that's a whole kit with way more parts to go wrong. But I get how complicated it is so I shall remain patiently impatient until a product is out that fixes what Vive won't fix/update, or an opportunity to work with a company to give feedback from someone who is very physically active in VR with dancing, battle discs, ect.
But I'm so gonna get this display cuz I need this XD
OTG is “on the go” for display through USB. Some smartphones use this feature
OTG is On The Go, basically USB devices that can connect to phones
How drunk is Jonathan in this video??!
That title reminded me of another great yt-channel:
look mom no computer
Retro stuff turning into sound, really nice :D
My new favorite part of ShortCircuit: Waiting to see what LMG characters will stop by to marvel at the technology.
You know you don't need a physical cable to play your PC games on the TV. You could just stream it over the network. You can use Nvidia game stream if you have a Shield TV or alternatively use Steam link on any android box.
Tell me you only ever used an iPhone without telling me you've only ever used an iPhone:
"What's OTG?"
"Maybe it's for usb on-the-go"
"On... O.. the... T... Go... G... Maybe!"
Really should have an extendable receiver, or at least make it work from front and back (put it on the corner and dual-sided?). 5G is very much line of site as the video clearly pointed out, so making this wireless display have such limited options for positioning seems like a design flaw, especially at the asking prices.
God, that apple guy is so annoying. You can tell he's annoying the other guy. He's like that friend that no one really wants to hang out with, but he looks the oldest and can usually buy the alcohol...
I accidentaly put this with the lofi beats while working. Plouffe's voice fits surprisingly well
Was Jonathan drunk?
This is such a cool product... until the line of sight issue comes into play, what you really want is to have your gaming pc in your bedroom and the display in the living room, but if I cant have the signal interrupted the best way I could config this is both in pc and display in the living room and I can just move anywhere freely in that one room.
I love the contrast between Mac Address Horst and ShortCircuit Horst
This video is literally alpha chad plouffe vs virgin mac boi Jonathan
Not sure about this but the idea of a wireless monitor sounds lovely! Losing an extra wire on my work desk is always a welcome change
Hmmm, I don't know. This is more specific than a dedicated transmitter before. And those LoS things are very important. The only thing that I can think of is just for presentation convenience.
This is the same wireless technology that is used on the vive wireless. Virtually zero latency in my experience. I dig it!
Would love to see you get ahold of the APC2 to review.
Crazy range as in within a house. mmWave is quite short in outdoor metrics in 5G tech. 3.5ghz is miles line of sight and and mmwave is under a mile
neat. would be nice for a workbench or maker space. have the pc setup and can access the PC from the 3D printers or at the work bench without having to walk back to the desk.
The Direct line of sight issue is a huge killer at least for me tho.
This is pretty cool! They just need to work on the receiver to not lose connection when you lay the tablet down.
I don't have a use-case that can't be done with a much cheaper wired screen or a tablet acting as a monitor over wifi. That said, it is pretty cool and might be part of a smart home set-up for a media PC or something.
Could you close the transmitter in a book bag beside you without interference?
Dread runs at locked 60, this looked choppy af
Yeah, it looks much better on my shit tv.
"Today on Short Circuit, we made the switch wireless and portable"
Excuse me, you don’t know OTG? USB On-the-Go standard? It’s on almost every Android phone for plug in flash drives and displays. So potentially you can plug in a windows 10 phone, or Samsung/Huawei phone to use their built in desktop functions.
he also couldn't tell dread is a very obvious 60 fps he doesn't know what he's talking about
HDMI cables are so hard to buy. Thank god for this thing. 🤨
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@@HanmaHeiro I also like to eat my food with 10 foot long chop sticks. just for the challenge. normal ones are too easy
if they made this as a like tablet with a keyboard dock i'd get one, full power of my pc available on my couch
@@doorgoo oh yes, i love that latency and those compression artifacts, and the amazing touchscreen support with most remote desktop software
Is the Mac Address guy okay?
Cool new tech, for certain use cases. Thx.
I'm happy to see the technology advancing. Would be cool to sit a full size monitor on your desk with your desktop PC in the same room and get at least 1080 60 Hz with no cables running between them. Could turn a small office of 3-8 people into a table of just monitors and periphs and all of the computers sitting on a wall.
"interference" TIL is objects in path, not interfering signals. Also TIL "5G" is or isn't equal to ISM 60GHz
"What does OTG mean"
Can't wait for this tech to be viable in a few years. This is an easy buy once LOS isn't a necessity
I can totally see this (the 4k more pricy version) as an apple product! No cable display for your mac! No more messy cables!
Just plug in one cable(power) , turn on your mac and done(wireless mouse, keyboard and stand of course are not included). AKA less cables, more green product!
Metroid Dread runs at a pretty consistent 60 fps
USB OTG is a feature on phones that let's you use USB devices like mice and keyboards when plugged into your device USB port (with a dongle)
I feel like this would have been so much better if they extended the bezel a bit and put the antenna along the edge of the display, so it didn't matter which way the display faced. Having to keep the line of sight with back of display makes it a very inconvenient product to use.
Wow, that Horst guy is a tool. Keeps interrupting and talking over the host, who looks fairly annoyed by it too.
What about a display for a headless pc so you can troubleshoot it? Like for the digital signage at an airport?
I'm always happy to see Horst and other team members distracting the ShortCircuit presenters ^^
3:48
"a 360 degree solution" how to make sure only soulless business wankers are interested in your service
That is cool, I cant think of a single situation where I would want to use that.
Metroid Dread is actually 60fps.